Race, Class, Global Warming and Democracy.

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1. The Real Matthew 1

   7 September 2016 at 2:00 pm

   Let me apply your logic in a different way.

   Is there a racist element to Left Wing Blogs?
   The majority of writers on left win blogs are white.
   Left wing blogs organise protests at time inhospitable to shift workers
   Shift workers are predominantly non-white.
   Left wing blogs are racist.
   • Bill 1.1

     7 September 2016 at 2:41 pm

     I wouldn’t describe that as logic, more like “clutching at different bits of shite and trying to make a shite ball of it all before throwing”

     But hey…
   • Fustercluck 1.2

     7 September 2016 at 5:27 pm

     This is a rather limited argument that in the technical (rather than colloquial) sense does beg the question a bit. But if the shoe fits, you gotta wear it.

     The left should remember to think of shift workers when planning direct action.

     Thanks for the tip TRM.
2. Draco T Bastard 2

   7 September 2016 at 2:26 pm

   The complete breakdown was that the richest 10% of people release 50% of emissions, the following richest 40% of people release 40% of emissions and the poorest 50% of people release 10% of emissions.

   That makes sense. If people have enough money they simply go off and do stuff – travel, owning gas guzzling cars, etcetera – which uses up a huge amount of resources and fuel. Then you get the mid people who are still probably using too many resources and then the poor who simply can’t afford to use any resources.

   This all ties in nicely with my idea that we actually pay people far too much which results in far too many resources being used. In a market system we can’t afford rich or even just well off people as too many resources get used up.
3. Chuck 3

   7 September 2016 at 3:39 pm

   “Is there a racist element to global warming?”

   No, not if you look at current CO2 emissions by Country.

   While its true “white people” currently lead the accumulated emissions graph, “non-white people” are catching up fast and are now the main overall contributors to CO2 emissions.

   To see how the numbers can change and rankings (depending on how you measure the data) this is a good website to look at…

   http://www.wri.org/blog/2014/11/6-graphs-explain-world%E2%80%99s-top-10-emitters
   • Bill 3.1

     7 September 2016 at 4:49 pm

     Which countries get whacked by climate change the hardest Chuck? And which countries keep making pledges and then not honouring them? Hint: the two answers don’t overlap.
     • adam 3.1.1

       7 September 2016 at 5:15 pm

       Don’t bother Bill, Chuck believes in conspiracy theories or makes up one when his world view is challenged.

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZIzD0ZfTFg
       • Chuck 3.1.1.1

         7 September 2016 at 5:44 pm

         I don’t mind a bit of Eminem so thanks for that adam.
         • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.1.1

           7 September 2016 at 5:57 pm

           White people de-industrialised their countries and shifted all the factories over to poorer coloured nations. Basically we outsourced our pollution and get only the nice shiny finished products arriving in our ports.
           • Richard McGrath 3.1.1.1.1.1

             7 September 2016 at 9:37 pm

             Don’t forget the people from the poorer nations who gained employment because of the factories.
             • Colonial Viper …

               7 September 2016 at 10:16 pm

               yes they should be glad of their tiny wage slavery forcing them to destroy their home regions to provide the west with crap.
               • Molly …

                 9 September 2016 at 11:11 am

                 Agree CV.

                 The disconnect between the supply of cheap goods, and the erosion of local AND international wages and working conditions is constantly apparent.

                 Had an interesting conversation with someone who has just travelled in Asia, after a lifetime of working and holidaying in NZ and Australia. He spoke of the price of brand items there, and the working conditions of the workers. He had a contemplative moment, after it was pointed out to him that those workers still provide the high priced merchandise available to us locally, and under the same working conditions. Not to mention the adverse environmental effects.

                 For this, our local workers also suffer as wages are suppressed further.

                 Our accepted definitions for cost and value are out of date. Also for global trade without responsibility – which is much more honestly described as exploitation.
     • Chuck 3.1.2

       7 September 2016 at 6:16 pm

       Of course the answer is poor or developing countries.

       And the second part to your question…Japan and Russia would be top of the list, with Canada not far behind.

       India still has 300 million people without electricity, and are the fastest growing users of coal…so yes there is some overlap there Bill.
4. weka 4

   7 September 2016 at 6:12 pm

   Awesome action by BLM in London.
5. One Anonymous Bloke 5

   7 September 2016 at 7:05 pm

   Racism and other core right wing/National Party values affect policies at all levels.
   • Chuck 5.1

     9 September 2016 at 8:33 am

     I know you live in an echo chamber OAB…so to help you peer out into the real world…

     Half of all racists are LEFT WING.

     http://www.jstor.org/stable/3791188?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
     • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1

       9 September 2016 at 8:43 am

       It’s an odd echo chamber that has you in it. An echo chamber with a parrot, perhaps.

       Has there been any attempt to replicate that study? Hodson & Busseri 2012, for example, found that low IQ predicts for racism and right wing political beliefs. I don’t think any attempt has been made to replicate that either.

       I’m not relying on Psychology to make my case, though. It’s a personal observation about values, not people. So even if Ray 1984 is replicated and robust it doesn’t address the argument.
6. Bill 6

   8 September 2016 at 12:08 pm

   In a worthwhile follow up to the piece linked to in the post…

   “These people” who had paddled across the docks in Newham, one of the poorest boroughs in London, were supposedly with the group called Black Lives Matter. But – shock! – they were all white. And black people, as you know, are not interested in climate change or air pollution anyway. The Mail was splenetic, saying claims that air pollution discriminated against minorities were “ludicrous”.

   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/07/black-lives-matter-protesters-air-pollution-race-issue-london

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