Random impertinent question: Why did Cameron get diversion?

Written By: - Date published: 8:30 am, May 11th, 2016 - 32 comments
Categories: Dirty Politics, Judith Collins, law, police - Tags: , , , ,

For trying to procure a hack of this blog Cameron Slater was offered the soft option of diversion – community service with no conviction. In a series of tweets last night Nicky Hager’s lawyer Felix Geiringer set out 7 reasons Slater didn’t qualify. The text of the tweets was –

1. Before offering diversion, the Police MUST consult the victim. In this case they did not even tell the victim there had been an arrest.
2. Reparation is one of the two primary purposes of the scheme. In this case, Slater was not required to do anything by way of reparation.
3. Diversion is generally only offered to first time offenders but http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10673417
4. Diversion is only offered for minor offending. In Hager case, Manukau District Manager described offences under this section as serious.
5. To qualify, Slater had to admit responsibility and show remorse. His media statement claims he has never done so and still does not.
6. Diversion is “unlikely to be appropriate” where the “offender refuses to identify co-offenders”. Who was Slater’s mysterious “funder”?
7. Diversion is “unlikely to be appropriate” where offender was the organiser. Eg, the offender was soliciting others to commit crime.

I’ve run out of steam. There are probably more.

In surely unrelated news –

https://twitter.com/BenSRachinger/status/729980306657157121

32 comments on “Random impertinent question: Why did Cameron get diversion? ”

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  1. NZJester 1
    11 May 2016 at 8:51 am

    So a guy who ticks all the boxes for not being eligible for diversion somehow gets diversion and one of his friends just happens to be the Minister of Police at the time.
    I’m sure everything was totally above board in that decision (Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, Say no more!)

  2. Colonial Viper 2
    11 May 2016 at 8:56 am

    To find this out, it will be necessary to find out which officer was in charge of his case.

  3. gsays 3
    11 May 2016 at 8:59 am

    OK folks, how to word the question to put to the minister, that doesn’t allow for weasel words as an answer.

    • mac1 3.1
      11 May 2016 at 10:34 am

      “My question is to the Minister of Police, and asks,”Did she influence or attempt to influence the decision to offer diversion to Cameron Slater, and if not, why not?”

      The second question will be much harder for the Minister to answer.

  4. TC 4
    11 May 2016 at 8:59 am

    Nationals police doing as instructed IMO.

  5. Tricledrown 5
    11 May 2016 at 9:10 am

    Dirty politics connections run deep.

  6. Anne 6
    11 May 2016 at 9:32 am

    Lynn Prentice from The Standard talks to Guyon Espiner

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201800262

  7. Jack Ramaka 7
    11 May 2016 at 9:56 am

    Best friends with Judith Collins and JK, was previously their attack dog?

  8. adam 8
    11 May 2016 at 9:57 am

    I think we need to remember this was a decision my by the upper reaches of the police, and not by the average cop you met on the street.

    • Sacha 8.1
      11 May 2016 at 10:23 am

      Yes, the same as the raid on Hager’s house. Slater says jump and the Police grab their ankles.

    • gsays 8.2
      12 May 2016 at 6:27 am

      True, Adam.
      The culture that the cop on the street works in is formed by those at the top.
      That’s how they get to the top, by not shaking the status quo.

  9. Jenny Kirk 9
    11 May 2016 at 10:11 am

    and it has also taken some attention away from the Panama Papers !

  10. greywarshark 10
    11 May 2016 at 10:29 am

    He got diversion because he has a kindly sweet nature and is redeemable and also is a member of CROW (Corrupt Right-Wing Omnipotent Worldwide.)
    edited

  11. Richardrawshark 11
    11 May 2016 at 12:11 pm

    You know when dumb arse Judith wakes up phones the police and says, hey go easy on cam, she ever thinks the outcomes make for a good case of political interference.

    If Cameron was not suitable for diversion he doesn’t get it. Just appeal. He’s stuffed any lawyer can overturn that sentence in front of a higher court or appeals judge.

    the points he fails to meet allegabilty for diversion means the judge stuffed up sentencing. Appeal. Simple stuff.

    • Richard Christie 11.1
      11 May 2016 at 12:42 pm

      The police were prosecuting, right?

      I expect the chance of police prosecution lodging an appeal is about zero.

      Unless there is a possibility other parties have the right to appeal outcomes in a case that they are not party to.
      Perhaps a legal mind can elaborate on the last point.

      • lprent 11.1.1
        11 May 2016 at 1:31 pm

        Looking at it.

        There was bugger all I could do while working in Italy after finding out. The police wouldn’t discuss anything apart from ‘It is under court orders’ to Greg who was asking them on my behalf.

        Managed to find out the court date that diversion was meant to cease and arrived back in Auckland the day before. Spent 3 days at court (supposed diversion cessation date, Rachinger hearing, and name suppression hearing).

        Then on the following friday went to the actual diversion cessation and found out the result of the name suppression hearing that finally gave me standing in the diversion – AS the police were withdrawing their charge.

        I am rather pissed at the pretty evident attempt from the police to make damn sure I couldn’t act on my rights as a victim in a diversion. Something needs to happen to the police to ensure that don’t do this kind of preferential crap. If Cam gets caught in the crossfire, then I really won’t cry much.

        Besides, he has been demonstrating why he shouldn’t have received diversion from the police with his behaviour over the last day

        • dukeofurl 11.1.1.1
          11 May 2016 at 5:34 pm

          I have noticed that he is only denying getting Rachinger to hack for HIS BENEFIT.

          Which may be true enough, but for whos benefit was it ?

          Cunning move where he ‘appears’ to deny something for his followers edification in-spite of admitting his guilt to the court.

          • Hanswurst 11.1.1.1.1
            12 May 2016 at 7:50 pm

            Interestingly, however, it looks like that should be shooting himself in the foot further in terms of getting diversion, owing to two specific aggravating factors that should count against his getting it:

            1. If he is the “ring-leader”, then that counts against his eligibility;
            2. If he refuses to identify co-offenders, that also counts against his elligibility.

            So either he was the ring-leader (if, as he has admitted online and by accepting diversion in the first place, he was financing an attempt to hack a computer, then he was leading it), or he is refusing to name co-offenders for whom he was working.

        • Sacha 11.1.1.2
          12 May 2016 at 7:30 am

          Worse still, the creep is now claiming he deliberately misused the diversion process as part of an ongoing vendetta. Sounds like contempt to this non-lawyer.

          http://archive.is/1kYKm

          “But I knew suppression wouldn’t be granted.
          …

          I used the appearance to introduce new evidence. This evidence is now public, sans a small court ordered suppression. This too was part of strategy, as you will come to see over the next days and weeks. Evidence of substantial suppression breaches by Mediaworks producer Tim Watkin, Law professor Andrew Geddis, Martyn Bradbury, Lynn Prentice and Peter George, all of whom are now under police investigation for not respecting court orders. “

  12. Don't worry. Be happy 12
    11 May 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Yet another reason to view the Police as political servants of the Powerful. Bad for democracy. Bad for cops on the beat…ordinary cops in our neighbourhoods and in our families. Waiting for the voices within the Police to speak up? Greg O’Connor? Got anything to say? Silence is still an answer.

    • adam 12.1
      11 May 2016 at 12:53 pm

      The question I have to ask is – in the case of Greg O’Coonor, why have the police not changed this sad, tired, pitiful little lick spittle for management?

      You guys know you can’t vote this idiot out – right?

    • Anne 12.2
      11 May 2016 at 4:36 pm

      Yet another reason to view the Police as political servants of the Powerful.

      Yep, and that’s sad. There’s a lot of good, hard working cops out there but I suspect they dare not speak out because many of their superiors (in rank) are living in the pockets of John Key and his corrupt mates. Any whistle-blowers would be hounded out of the Force and may never be able to get a decent job again.

      • Johan 12.2.1
        11 May 2016 at 8:11 pm

        We have lots of hard working cops on the beat, it is management and their objectives that worry me. The apparent fudging of South Auckland crime stats is an indicator. Police officers have a difficult job, and with the lack of pay advancement for the past few years morale may be slipping.

  13. mary_a 13
    11 May 2016 at 12:46 pm

    Being so close to FJK and Collins, makes me wonder if the GreasyWhale was given diversion, because he holds too much threatening information on them and the whole NatzKEY gang of degenerates, that should he have a mental blow out, he might just incriminate them all!

  14. Neil 14
    11 May 2016 at 1:53 pm

    This has all the hallmarks of political interference by Judith Collins, it wont surprise me one bit if that is the case.

  15. Stuart Munro 15
    11 May 2016 at 3:47 pm

    You just don’t understand – Whaleoil is just a turbulent youth – albeit in the body of a middleaged man with a striking resemblance to the historical Sweeney Todd.

    Diversion is appropriate because one day the Whale will grow up. Really.

  16. RedBaronCV 16
    12 May 2016 at 7:49 am

    The police should be documenting how they consult a victim over diversion. They appear to have been ignoring the rules around this for decades, helps keep crime stats down and the better off from facing consequences, you know.
    Unfortunately this is not the only time they have misused it.

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    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
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    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    6 days ago

  • The New Government’s Agreements
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    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    6 days ago

  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago

  • No More Winnie Blues.
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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago

  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • Cans of Worms.
    “And there’ll be no shortage of ‘events’ to test Luxon’s political skills. David Seymour wants a referendum on the Treaty. Winston wants a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Labour’s handling of the Covid crisis. Talk about cans of worms!”LAURIE AND LES were very fond of their local. It was nothing ...
    Bowalley Road
    1 week ago

  • Disinformation campaigns are undermining democracy. Here’s how we can fight back
    This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. Misinformation is debated everywhere and has justifiably sparked concerns. It can polarise the public, reduce health-protective behaviours such as mask wearing and vaccination, and erode trust in science. Much of misinformation is spread not ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record.1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is not even an entry in Wikipedia. ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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