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Remember 1984

Written By: - Date published: 6:52 am, March 19th, 2012 - 70 comments
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Labour moving to the right would be a disaster for the left. It doesn’t need to, in order to lead a winning coalition at the next election. The last time a small cabal in Labour tried that strategy was in 1984 – it proved to be a disaster for New Zealand and for the Labour Party.

The years after 1984 were when we fell behind Australia, where a different Labor government didn’t follow Douglas’ crash through followed by crash, but modernised their economy sensibly in an Accord with the union movement. Here the Labour Party left government in 1990 in a landslide after the 1987 crash exposed the fallacy of self-correcting financial markets, and the result was Ruth Richardson, the mother of all budgets, the formation of ACT and nine years in the wilderness for Labour.

I worked to elect Labour in 1984 as a member of the Party staff. Election night was exciting and euphoric; but I well remember finding a copy of “Economic Management”, the Treasury briefing paper that became the actual policy of that government, on the party photocopier on the Monday after. I still remember thinking – “My God what have we done!” I leaked it to Rob Campbell – those were the days! I then spent three years fighting the Labour government policy in order to re-elect the same Labour government.

I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone else.

Right now, I find it ironic that as the Labour Party goes through a consultative review of all its processes and structures, including its approach to policy formulation, at the same time  we are seeing a series of hints in the media about what changes Labour may make to its policy – mostly about ditching one or another element of the policies Labour took into the last election based on a policy process that was forged out of the experience of the 1980’s. We all know how it works: insider talks to insider talks to media – but the end result is a leaky ship, and they tend to sink, even if slowly.

I’m not actually sure that what we are seeing at the moment in the Labour leadership is a definitive shift to the right – more like a tentative search for the marshmallow centre, so beloved of the political media. As a strategy, it is a recipe for failure.

Shearer said in his speech that his passion was education, and that:

Study after study shows that the most important ingredient is the quality of teachers. We need to value teachers. We need every teacher in our classroom to be a good one.

I couldn’t agree more. So I looked for the single thing that he would actually do if he was Prime Minister that would make a difference, that would make sure that every teacher in our classroom would be a good one. What was his answer? A bit of weeding. You don’t make a good garden just by weeding.

And what has happened? All the media has fastened on the throwaway line about getting rid of bad teachers, to the point where John Armstrong calls it auditioning for a place at the National Party cabinet table. We can’t blame the media – that was all there was on offer.

The Labour party, due to celebrate its centenary in four years time, deserves better. Peter Fraser would be rolling in his grave. We need some substantive policy, that will make a real difference. There is plenty of experience about what would make a difference in education the the party; David Shearer should make use of it, to tell us what he would actually do – just wanting to make a difference doesn’t cut it.

We also need to recognise that the left now has to pick up from and moderate the excesses of global financial capital in the 21st century, rather than the excesses of industrial capital in the 19th and 20th centuries. But Labour’s values and principles of fairness and social justice remain the same. That is what I would like to hear more about from Shearer. Serious stuff with some serious answers, in the style of Savage, Fraser and Clark. He should take all the time he needs.

 

70 comments on “Remember 1984”

  1. Gee Mike does this mean you are now supporting Cunliffe?

  2. Tenfoot Bella 2

    ‘Take all the time he needs’ – seems like a slow learner to me.

  3. mike 3

    As a fascinated but strictly amateur political junkie I find it difficult when our party tries to accommodate the views of disreputable bastards who sneer at our every attempt to be ‘inclusive’. When our movement first forced its way into the political power mix it did so on the back of hard bitten ANZAC soldiers and hard labouring workers. Wide education for all was one of their foremost demands, and their efforts sent us all off to universities where we learned respectability and individual responsibility. Now we’re experts in walking a mile in another’s shoes, and we’re taken advantage of at every turn by a scurrilous, scheming bunch who see in us a chance to make a million for themselves. We have never had a better chance that this to turn back to the roots of our belief and deliver for those who, like us, need collectivity to gain their rightful slice of the pie. Free market bullshit has been exposed, at last, as being morally and economically corrupt, and we should take advantage of that by hardening up our approach to what political power means for us rather than keep pandering to the views of empty rapacious people like those on the right. Sure they’ll scream like banshees to try to frighten people, but, hell, they do that anyway whatever we do. I’m tired of us being ‘nice’ all the time, those soldiers and workers weren’t ‘nice’ and ‘reasonable’, and although those aspects of our beliefs are vital they needn’t figure at the shop window of our political movement. Where’s Bob Hawke when we need him?

  4. Craig Glen Eden 4

    “We need some substantive policy, that will make a real difference”

    So why did you support Shearer Mike? Why support the election of a guy who hadn’t even been a MP for three years who was going to use the same stupid people with the same stupid strategy as Goff and sadly has the same achilles heal (nice guy poor public speaker and is not a leaders arse).

    “But Labour’s values and principles of fairness and social justice remain the same.”

    Sadly we need some one who is articulate who can make these values relevant not someone who recites Keys slogans. Shit oh dear! What a mess. People/Small business people are starting to realise that tax cuts and slashing public spending is not the answer. I have had two people in the last week say this both then went on to say but I think Labour stuffed up electing Shearer.

    Sadly of coarse it was not Labour who elected Shearer it was a small majority of self serving MPs had it gone to the members we would have got Cunliffe.

    • Hami Shearlie 4.1

      CGE, I’m agreeing with you yet again – we all saw this coming but the mps’ wouldn’t listen – self interest, future career prospects and petty jealousy of David Cunliffe saw them elect Shearer – we’ve hardly heard a peep out of him this last 4 months and now the media have said the honeymoon is over!! – Commentators all said if he didn’t turn things around dramatically in a year, then the knives would be out for him – well, only 8 months to go – more waffle, dithering etc no doubt. Cunliffe must be swearing and laughing at the same time – what a disaster! And do we think Grant Robertson will have the cheek to go for the leadership in 8 months – scarily, we do! The voters in the centre that Labour crave so much just won’t accept a gay leader, that’s for sure! Cunliffe is looking better and more charismatic with every passing day!

  5. vto 5

    back to the future
    and forward to the past
    is all man does
    and why nought ever last

  6. Roflcopter 6

    We also need to recognise that the left now has to pick up from and moderate the excesses of global financial capital in the 212st century

    Kudos for thinking that far ahead 🙂

  7. McFlock 7

    If the Labour Party no longer wish to represent workers, could they please change their name so somebody else can do some good with it?

  8. Blue 8

    Well, now you know what Shearer meant by ‘making Labour a broad church’, Mike.

    To be honest, now that Labour has gone down Shearer Road, there is no turning back. He wasn’t the right guy for the job, and now his only hope is that John Key’s popularity begins to fall of its own accord, and that he picks up a few centre votes with some well-placed dog whistles.

    It might be enough to just squeak him over the line into Government in 2014.

    It won’t be the stuff lefty dreams are made of, but hell, you and the Labour MPs made your bed.

  9. Dr Terry 9

    I hate to say, “I told you so” for that sounds arrogant. Nevertheless, I very much agree with comment from Dr Brian Edwards in this morning’s Herald. At this moment (whilst hoping I prove wrong) it looks as though the choice at the next election may be between two paries of the Right, take your pick.
    With regard to the issue of “good and bad teachers”, who was it that “taught teachers to become teachers”? Maybe the fault (if there is one) lies there. Surely in course of preparation unpromising people would not be accredited? I can only suggest that we scrutinise the preparation adequacy of those who desire to become teachers.
    In conclusion, as things stand, think very hard about supporting the Greens!

    • Bored 9.1

      The Greens? I worry that they will be the velvet glove nice middle of the road bearded types who will cut a “fair” deal with the commercially backed parties….and lose all in the process.

      It will go like this: “We want you to be nice to the environment but we know you need to pollute and mine a little bit in order that everyone is happy, the economy goes and my Greenish mates can wear hemp suites and drive electric cars….. so you can do that to 5% of the resources”…..(10 days later) /…”Oh I understand that unless I let you use 10% there will be a melt down and the hemp suit supply will fail, and the electric car wont be powered”……(10 further days)…etc etc etc.

    • Vicky32 9.2

      In conclusion, as things stand, think very hard about supporting the Greens!

      Absolutely not! From what I can see, they can’t be trusted.
      Interestingly, I saw something on Facebook today – the Child Poverty Action person was extremely puzzled – he’d got hold of the actual wording of Shearer’s speech, and was very taken aback to see that the things the media have glommed on to, such as not taking GST off fresh fruit and veg., are not things Shearer actually said!
      I am taken aback by the huge numbers of posts on the Standard from those declaring Shearer a rightie, Labour f**ked and the Greens as the only answer. It seems to me, that the Greens are far likelier to be ‘right by stealth’ than Labour ever was except in ’84…

  10. Its no good moaning and complaining just get to your local Review meetings and demand that we members want to run our party,
    The constitution needs changing and the party list certainly needs a complete review.

    Its our party not the party of the elected MPs. This needs to be told in no uncertain manner, When we regain our party back then we can start thinking of leading a long term government ,

    • Bored 10.1

      In 1984 I enthusiastically voted for Lange, an end to the dark years of old paternal NZ as it was under Holland / Holyoake and Muldoon. I was in my early 20s and thought we had seized the future….yeah right.

      In the late 80s I was running an LEC and saw the membership crash, delivering leaflets for the 1987 election I got accosted and abused by working people and unemployed (of whom there were a lot). I think back on it, Labour was a “broad church” then, the “Rogernomes” literally turned the party into those who stayed because either they agreed or had nowhere else to go, and those who walked.

      Labour has never recovered, 9 years of “moderate” government under Clark saw only a softer approach (aided by good economic times) but no rolling back of the basic neo lib principles. Until I see an overt policy agenda announcing the reform of all of the major tenets of the Douglas / Richardson regimes I will not be helping out.

      • Foreign Waka 10.1.1

        Absolutely feel the sentiment, remember so well the shock of the Mother of all budgets and the feeling of betrayal at the time. The sadness of Mr Lange being stabbed in the back (so to speak), the dishonesty within the party as well as their presentation to the people. I belief that is a wound that never really healed. But I also remember that the Income vs Living expenses ratio was way better than today.

    • Anne 10.2

      Well said pp. I’m off to our electorate meeting in a day or two to do exactly what you said – if I get a chance. If they fluff around – like they apparently did to begin with in Sth Auckland – and start aspiring eloquently about b—-y aspirations, I might have a few words to say about that too. 😉

      • mac1 10.2.1

        Have a good and productive meeting, Anne, and looking forward to your comments here. 🙂

      • lprent 10.2.2

        I wasn’t that impressed with the meeting out south. The one in central was better. But really the format of such meetings is a bit too limiting.

        I suspect that the approach is to use the online system to make a written submission. haven’t looked it up yet. But apparently it will take written submissions from anyone..

        Was LEC tonight. I am a bit short of time these days so I tend to multitask through meetings, listening whilst coding and/or researching what to code next, moderating and/or reading news. Limiting factor is vodafone’s poorly performing data network which just seems to flake out periodically.

  11. Cactus Kate 11

    Thanks Mike.
    If Labour return to 1984 they’ve got my vote. Maybe even two ticks.

  12. Michael Wood 12

    It’s fair to be cautious, but I think that this and some of the other commentary is a bit over the top.

    I would note that large parts of the progressive policy framework that Labour took into the 2011 election (ie: capital gains tax) would appear to have the support of the new leadership. In some cases these are measures that the 5th Labour government was unwilling to touch for fear of alienating the centre.

    If there is a “lurch to the right” then that will be resisted, but the evidence of a 1984-style ideologically driven cabal is just not there.

    • daveo 12.1

      Capital gains isn’t progressive. Especially if it’s used to balance tax reductions elswhere. Even Brash likes it.

      • Michael Wood 12.1.1

        Going from a situation is which income is taxed but not wealth, to one in which both income and wealth are taxed is progressive by most measures.
        What you may or may not do with other taxes at the same time is another question. For my money I think it is unhelpful for Labour to buy into the argument that the tax system as the place to improve living standards (however you do it). I’d prefer we increased wages through reforming a manifestly unjust labour market.

    • newsense 12.2

      A two parter.

      Michael, as a good Labour man can you tell me at a time when a regressive tax system has been introduced by a right wing party in the GST hike and ‘revenue neutral’ tax cuts Labour is not backing moves to make NZ slightly more egalitarian?

      A CGT is a useful, but slow mechanism. It is also being used as an excuse to off set elsewhere.

      There appears to be evidence that the fruit and veges move and the tax-free threshold have substantial benefits. This has been characterised as a very left (and therefore terribly wrong) daliance by Labour.

      I personally see these as the kind of New Zealand values the government should be investing in. Is the Labour Party planning to be reclaiming our heritage here (a heritage which National didn’t change drastically through much of the 20th century) and rewrite this narrative? Somehow the narrative of tax cuts as investment is a very strong one, but the narrative of the public good of targeted social investment in a fair society is weak and struggling to remain on its feet.

      Is it the lack of work on (and belief in?) this narrative what makes it ‘unelectable’, not that it is of itself?

      • Michael Wood 12.2.1

        Yes there should be a very clear and unambiguous narrative about reducing inequality. My point really is that it is over-egging it for people to pronounce the end of social democracy as we know it because of one high level speech. I simply don’t think that the major focus that Labour brought to the issue of inequality in the 2011 campaign is going to go disappear.

        I agree with your point that the narrative of tax cuts good, public investment bad is damaging. It’s one reason why I don’t think it helpful for us to be pitching ‘our tax cuts’ (fruit & veges, first $5000) against ‘their tax cuts’ (higher income brackets). It fundamentally legitmises their positioning. See above for my thoughts on a better focus for our efforts.

        Like you I’d rather we developed a strong narrative around what we can do together through good public investment and fair institutional structures.

        • Colonial Viper 12.2.1.1

          I think it is unhelpful for Labour to buy into the argument that the tax system as the place to improve living standards (however you do it). I’d prefer we increased wages through reforming a manifestly unjust labour market.

          But why not use both Michael? Why doesn’t Labour use every tool in its disposal, every bullet in the economic armoury, every lever in the fabric of society, to reduce societal inequality broadly, substantially, and rapidly?

          I have no idea where you get the idea that modifications to the tax system should not be used as a tool (somehow you appear to think that Labour’s support for tax cuts for the poor somehow legitimises National’s tax cuts for the rich, I mean WTF logic is that) along side every thing else.

          Like you I’d rather we developed a strong narrative around what we can do together through good public investment and fair institutional structures.

          It’s too fucking late for this approach. It takes years and years to plan and enact good public investment and fair institutional structures, and years and years more for their benefits to be realised. You are talking as if Labour has the next 25 years to undo the neoliberal damage of the last 25 years.

          Here’s a newsflash: using your strategy, it will take Labour 6 years to build up what National can tear down in 3. National can make neoliberal changes like selling off Mighty River Power and Solid Energy that Labour will likely never be able to undo, even if it wanted to.

          My bottom line assessment is this: National acts faster, more single mindedly and more effectively at enacting the changes that their core supporters want to see happen, than Labour ever has been at enacting the changes that Labour’s core supporters want to see happen.

          All respect to the campaign you ran mate, but your analysis and consequently your overarching conclusions are problematic, to put it mildly.

          • Michael Wood 12.2.1.1.1

            Where I am coming from is that I want to see deep-seated structural change. To achieve that we need have a clear strategic focus, rather than just punting up every single good policy idea that we have and hoping that some stick

            I have reflected a lot in the 2011 campaign, which I lived and breathed for most of that year, and am convinced that one of our problems was that we had a long list of (often worthy) individual policies, but lacked the small number of over-arching messages and measures that would have clearly defined us and have given people hope and confidence.

            Don’t disagree with you about the need to act more decisively when we win power, I just want us to be strategic about what really makes a difference and achieves lasting progressive change.

            Given that, I support a full review of our positioning. I’ll be arguing that we should be bolder and more progressive, and to be honest that is where everyone should be focussing their energies instead of making Godwin-esque comparisons to 1984, when the current leadership has only just got its feet under the table.

    • QoT 12.3

      “large parts … [mentions a single policy] … would appear …”

      Mmmm, I love the smell of wiggle room in the morning.

  13. Hillary Jones 13

    The Pink Postman is right, but why do I feel it will make little difference. Labour has a proud heritage but many of the current MPs have little sense of that history. Russell Norman very cleverly mentioned MJ Savage at least twice in his first speech of the Parliamentary session. Shearer seems to want to forgot those who have gone before him. He needs to up his game and those who supported him need to make sure mistakes like the Private Members bill do not happen again.

  14. fisiani 14

    National is a Centre party with a few Right wing elements. That is why is has won the elections of 2008 and even more so in 2011.
    Some people who post here describe National as being Far Right. If they were Far Right they could not have won such a high vote. ACT is still not far right and only won 1%
    Shearer believes in the Centre. That’s why the Nats rejoiced when he won the role of leader of the Labour Party. We are realistic enough too know that we will eventually lose in perhaps 2020. We are keen that Labour has moved by then enough to the Centre that it no longer matters. What was great about Shearer’s speech was that he did not mention the unions once. He did not harp on about Labour’s history. Shearer is ok.

    • McFlock 14.1

      National is a Centre party with a few Right wing elements. 

      And Genghis Khan was business-friendly with a proactive entrepreneurial policy. 

       
       

      • fisiani 14.1.1

        And the first entry by McFlock (perhaps a Scottish Shearer) is the forerunner to Godwin’s Law. A bit dated reference but still a goodie.

        • McFlock 14.1.1.1

          Oh, you were being serious?
             
          Wow.
             
          Seriously, what would National have to do in your eyes to move to the “right”?  

          • fisiani 14.1.1.1.1

            You asked. Banning trade unions. Abolishing benefits. Compulsory military training. Controlling the press.
            These would all be considered Far Right. National is NOT Far Right.

            Let me be absolutely clear- 99% of the political viewpoints in NZ would easily fit within the Democratic Party in the USA.

            • McFlock 14.1.1.1.1.1

              Didn’t ask “far right”. Asked what National would have to do to be nudged “right”, rather than being “centre”.
                    
               

            • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1.1.2

              Let me be absolutely clear- 99% of the political viewpoints in NZ would easily fit within the Democratic Party in the USA.

              Yeah except the Democratic Party is the party of the bankers cartel. And they’re pretty damn friendly to Big Oil as well.

    • Draco T Bastard 14.2

      National is a Centre party with a few Right wing elements.

      Ah, no. National is a radical right-wing party with some confused conservatives hanging on. In fact they’re almost as far right as Act and Act are almost as Authoritarian as National hence the abbreviation to NACT.

      If they were Far Right they could not have won such a high vote.

      That makes no sense as they are a radical right-wing party and they did get lots of votes. I suspect it has to do with them hiding all their policies and pretending to be centrist (otherwise known as lying).

      • fisiani 14.2.1

        What a waste of time to flick to a made up slide based on shonky input.

        • Draco T Bastard 14.2.1.1

          A simple psychological test with results based upon NACTs policies so if it’s shonky then that’s where it came from.

        • felix 14.2.1.2

          Oh dear, fizzy has already decided the truth so all evidence to the contrary can now be dismissed.

  15. It’s perfectly correct to point out that Labour already swung to the right- the far right, even, in 1984. What’s missing from that narrative is that Labour has never really completely swung back to the left since. All of its ideas about protecting workers, valuing education, are stuck in centre-right mindsets about free markets, (but only among western democracies that also support corporate power) about maintaining and expanding corporate jobs by conceding to corporate control. Helen Clark was a great Prime Minister, but she was also a very centrist one. Labour needs to either concede that it’s now a centrist party, or move back to the left.

    You can tell which I’d prefer, I imagine. I think to win, Labour needs to reconnect with the geniune, left (and not just left-of-centre) voters in New Zealand, who essentially right now have the choice of voting Green or staying home if they’re not satisfied with centrist or right-wing narratives and policies of the Labour Party. It needs to tell its own story about how it will make New Zealand a great place to live, and give us better prosperity without resorting to raping our country with mining or other dirty resource extraction like Australia has.

  16. Vicky32 16

    I was moved to find Shearer’s speech, as the Poverty Action person did, and read it, and I am seriously unable to see why all these people are screeching about how it’s a gallop to the right, Shearer = Roger Douglas etc. What exactly did he say that’s so wrong?
    It’s a fact that there are bad teachers. During L’s school days, I encountered some of them – two stand out. The dumb blonde (Gina someone I think) had her spelling and grammar corrected by a number of 6 year olds.
    Another dumb blonde reacted to my complaint that a certain child was bullying L., with the assertion that said boy was the grandson of a famous luvvie, (an artist, I think) and ‘would never do that!’ The woman  was a snob pure and simple, and it mattered far more to her that she had sons and grandsons of arty types and Shortland St actors in her class, than that she was supposed to educate all of the class…, even the DPB kids.
    I could go on, but I won’t. Suffice it to say that all the people yelling that Shearer must be far right because he dared to say that there are some bad teachers, are IMO idiots at the least.
    “Right now, they’re following the money, and that means we’re turning out an army of accountants.”
    How do you reconcile that (taken from the speech) with your ‘Shearer the rightie” meme?

    • QoT 16.1

      You seriously have an issue with blonde people, don’tcha, Vicky? Not to mention exaggerating the other sides’ viewpoint – “screeching about a gallop to the right” must be up there with “plenty of so-called prochoice people are actually pro-death”.

      I’m not here to engage, btw, just to troll your more pointless comments because I would hate to think a newbie might stumble on them and think you were some kind of serious commenter.

    • Shearer is a centrist like Clark- this speech is just a continuation of the status quo in regards to Labour Party leaders, and doesn’t lead me to be any more worried than I already was about the direction of the party. If Labour wants to succeed, I think they need to veer left and pick up people who aren’t voting, leaving NZ First the centrist vote.

      Shearer comes from the orthodoxy of the Labour Party, which is its right wing. That’s not the same thing as the commentary from the right-wing press that he’s one of them- Shearer is clearly a pro-labour centrist. I find that meme ridiculous.

      • Colonial Viper 16.2.1

        Shearer comes from the orthodoxy of the Labour Party, which is its right wing.

        Nah frak off, the orthodoxy of the Labour Party is clearly left wing; perhaps you are talking about the orthodoxy of the Labour parliamentarians and elite in the party.

        I can go out tomorrow if you like and find you a dozen formerly loyal Labour voters, bedrock working class everyone of them, who will all clearly state that they never left Labour, Labour left them.

        • Those are Labour’s base, which is a very different thing from the orthodoxy of its caucus, which is far more centrist than Party members seem to be- I’ve never met a member of the Labour party I haven’t been largely in agreement with, to the point where I wish that Labour would just listen to its members.

          I’m not saying Labour itself is centrist, but its leaders and most of their supporters have been in every election I’ve voted in. They’ve been decent to their base, but they’re still just problematic enough that I can’t really consider voting for them myself.

        • bad12 16.2.1.2

          We could not have put it any better ourselves,from stuffing Labour election literature in suburban letterboxes many years ago we have reached one David Shearer in today,s reality as leader of the NZ Labour Party,

          Such inspirational utterings from Shearer in His first major speech of His leadership simply leads us to the conclusion that Sir Roger,(spit),Douglas Labour caucus still holds sway, we see no move away from the neo-Liberal economics, just a blind ignorance of the damage done,

          Us lot would first entertain a vote for ACT befor one for Labour, (the previous home of our votes),befor either of course we would take to our nether regions with a rusty razor,

          Wakey wakey Labour….

  17. prism 17

    Most studies show that to raise standards of living in a country, wide basic education is needed. In poor, traditional societies this applies especially when education is extended to the females. But then what is done with the education matters for giving a boost to the nation. Having a goodly number of young people with qualifications is of no use if there aren’t the jobs for them.

    India has been through this and is becoming a financial powerhouse. But I think they are fleeter of foot than us. In this small country the government won’t even tilt the scales in our favour and buy services and goods overseas that would be well made here.

    David Shearer talking about education and advancement is just repeating a well-known factor in social science. It’s nothing new and as for talking about bad teachers, well wasn’t it Labour that mainstreamed pupils with intellectual handicaps. Pepper potting them round schools and classes means that they are an extra burden to the teacher and often a block to the rest of the class’s advancement. No doubt the response will be silence, or a tongue-lashing for not accepting all the current approach around this.

    • Colonial Viper 17.1

      This is all shit, why is there even cause for a discussion about whether or not Labour is drifting rightwards.

      Why is there instead no doubt that Labour is returning to its roots, that it is about to fulfil to the maximum its mandate and potential to represent the working classes and the under classes, while showing NZ a future beyond an age of industrial and energy depletion.

      Instead we are all left here arguing whether the future direction of Labour is going to be significantly shite, or just passingly shite.

      This year is proving to be a fucking waste of my time and energy.

  18. the sprout 18

    hear hear – well said MS

    burning the village to save it has never made sense

    labour moving further to the right, being already pretty well in the centre as it is, would be a monumental cock-up.

    current labour MPs and future hopefuls remember – support a rightward shift and say goodbye to future hope of life as an MP

  19. Jenny 19

    There are some people that are quite pleased at the news that David Shearer and Labour are “rethinking” their election-time promises to exempt fresh fruit and vegetables from GST.

    Call to keep GST simple

    As well as praising Shearer for his “rethink” the currency speculators and financial traders who brought the world economy to it’s knees are calling on their agents in the state, to make efforts to protect their rackets.

    It seems that using all their contacts and influence and behind the scenes lobbying power inside our main political parties is not enough. To get their way, it appears that these ‘lobbyists” are quite prepared to politicise the “impartial public service” as well.

    None other than the so called “non-political” Treasury head, Gabriel Makhlouf, is the public servant fronting for this extremist right wing political taxation agenda.

    In a brazen move not seen since 1984 under Don Brash, in a widely reported speech which he delivered yesterday in Queenstown, rather than acting as an arm of government subservient to parliament, the head of treasury is publicly trying to set government policy.

    Like his political soul mates Roger Douglas and Don Brash, Makhlouf is a supporter of a “flat taxation system”, (like GST), where the majority of the tax burden falls on the less well off and “wealth is rewarded”.

    Though generally supporting “tax cuts”….

    There is one tax cut, that this crowd definitely do not want to see.

    Any tax cut that makes it easier for ordinary flax roots kiwis to put food on their tables will be opposed by these fanatics with all the religious zealotry of protecting holy writ.

    New Zealand’s GST is the best value-added tax in the world and should be protected from any exemptions that undermine it.

    Gabriel Makhlouf

    Considering his comments opposing removing GST off basic foods it comes as no surprise that Maklouf is also bitterly opposed to any sort of Financial Transactions Tax on the operations of the speculative bankers and financiers who generate massive profits for themselves tax free, but nothing but debt and financial ruin for everyone else. Gabriel Makhlouf argues that these speculative profits must be left untaxed, while the food we eat must remain taxed heavily taxed.

    Though duty bound to protect and raise government revenue and income, Gabriel Makhlouf is quite prepared to let this massive tax stream go untapped.

    However, in his speech in Queenstown, against the main thrust of his argument, Treasury head Gabriel Makhlouf, is prepared to look at increased taxes on mining and mineral extraction. In light of his right wing monetarist political views, one has to be suspicious of his motives…..

    This shit head obviously wants to the government and the country to become dependent on mining for tax revenue, probably to such an extent, that like the current situation in Australia, any administration that tried to bring in environmental protections finds themselves hostage to the mining industry.

    • I actually agree with Gabriel that exemptions to food, even if restricted to unprocessed fruit and vegetables, are problematic. Unlike him, however, I think we should be getting rid of GST altogether and putting that tax burden onto pollution, waste, and specific luxury goods instead of useful consumption like food, clothes, and public transport.

    • Vicky32 19.2

      There are some people that are quite pleased at the news that David Shearer and Labour are “rethinking” their election-time promises to exempt fresh fruit and vegetables from GST.

      But where has Shearer spoken about this ‘re-think’? I thought it was meant to be in the speech, but it isn’t..
      Oh, and QoT, pull your head in you crazy old mare. (If you are in fact a woman!) For most of my life I was a blonde (a natural one, at that), from a family of blondes. 
      Yes, you are a troll, and I see, proud of it. Get a life.

      • the sprout 19.2.1

        QoT is an author on this site and a regular commenter, not a troll. insulting authors is an easy fastrack to a ban.
        i suggest you pull your head in.

        • QoT 19.2.1.1

          Thanks, sprout. I must admit I poked Vicky a bit, but given her history of throwing around shit like “dirty little Remmers blonde” and “if you are in fact a woman” I felt entitled, I confess.

        • Vicky32 19.2.1.2

          i suggest you pull your head in.

          And I suggest that before attacking me, you read what QoT herself said to me! She described her own actions as “trolling” me and further, quoted something I’d said months ago, something completely irrelevant to the discussion.
          Before you leap to the atack, and the defence of a poor wee lamb, make sure the lamb’s not a hyena in disguise. So, she’s a contributor? I have sent contributions, but they vanished into a black hole of Ignore. It appears no one here gives a f*** about capital punishment, hey?

          • QoT 19.2.1.2.1

            It seems pretty relevant to me, Vicky. After all, there was no need to refer to the two teachers you were slagging off as “dumb blondes”, and previously you’d attacked me as a “Remmers blonde” … seems to be a bit of a trigger for you, or at least a way you like to undermine people.

            But then I’m probably not even a woman, right? Why attack the message when you can just call the messenger a bitch, right?

            (Okay, I promise I’m done poking the defensive bear now).

            • Vicky32 19.2.1.2.1.1

              (Okay, I promise I’m done poking the defensive bear now).

              You’re poking a bear now? 😀 Tickets in yourself much? (I guarantee I am a quarter of your size..) 😀
              Your obsession with attacking me evidently doesn’t extend to reading what I say! You missed the part where I said that I am a blonde, obviously!

  20. Jenny 20

    Like you Mathew, “I think we should be getting rid of GST altogether”. However as being actively involved in the campaign to get Labour to shift from their support of GST, to agree to just removing GST off food was a huge struggle.

    http://www.nogstonfood.org/

    Labour’s love affair with Roger Douglas’s flat tax legacy was hard to break. Many years of petitioning and personal lobbying of Labour MPs to show them research proving how iniquitous it is to tax food. And then finally to make a breakthrough. To now see all this work being carelessly tossed in the bin is very disheartening.

    • Oh, I absolutely agree that getting rid of GST is a huge ask and won’t be completed in one jump if we need to rely on Labour for it. I think we’d do better lower it in stages and introducing other taxes to replace it, then raising them as we progressively lower GST.

      • prism 20.1.1

        @Matthew Whitehead Agree absolutely. Let’s do it. Or not? Unfortunately not many good ideas ever seem to emerge into the light of day for long enough to be well discussed and actioned. Or if they are they get put through a hazing trial after which they retire bruised and battered to the remote cave they emerged from.

  21. Rosemary 21

    “Serious stuff with some serious answers, in the style of […] Clark.”

    You need to remember that under Clark Labour did more damage to our social welfare system that anyone can imagine a Labour government could be capable of. Sure, it all went unnoticed, but for the very reason it happened under Labour. But that’s probably why you missed it as well.

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    2 weeks ago
  • The Intersex Continuum
    I wrote this review a couple of years ago when I was still in the process of getting my head around the politics of transgenderism, and specifically the claim that intersex conditions lend support to the notion that sex is ‘socially constructed’. Since writing this review I have come across ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Leaving us with the bill
    Two weeks ago, Malaysian-owned oil company Tamarind declared it was insolvent and went into administration after a failed offshore drilling campaign. Tamarind apparently specialises in buying oil fields at the end of their life and trying to squeeze out the last few drops of pollution. But part of their scam ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • How much does flying contribute to climate change?
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz How much does our use of air travel contribute to the ...
    SciBlogsBy Shaun Hendy
    2 weeks ago

  • The Water Services Regulator Bill – Taumata Arowai a milestone for drinking water safety
    The Water Services Regulator Bill – Taumata Arowai , introduced to Parliament today, is a milestone for drinking water safety in New Zealand and will help improve environmental outcomes for urban waterways, rivers and lakes.  “This is a breakthrough for New Zealanders in terms of providing safe drinking water throughout ...
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    27 mins ago
  • Speech to new direction for criminal justice reform announcement
    Kia ora koutouE ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā matā wakaTēnā koutou katoaHaere ngā, moe maiKoutou ma ngā Rangatira Ko Anaru ahauKo au te Minita mo ngā TureHe Honore tino nui kei roto I ahau No reira tena koutou katoa Today, we are releasing two reports that are the ...
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    41 mins ago
  • New direction for criminal justice reform
    The Government is looking to turn around the long-term challenges of criminal justice by taking a new approach to break the cycle of offending to ensure there are fewer victims of crime. Justice Minister Andrew Little released two reports today, Turuki! Turuki! from Te Uepū Hāpai I te Ora, and ...
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    44 mins ago
  • New law sets up $300m Venture Capital Fund
    New Zealand firms expanding beyond the start-up phase are set for more support after today’s passage of the Venture Capital Fund Bill, Associate Finance Minister David Parker said. The Bill, which establishes a $300 million Venture Capital Fund, puts in place a key initiative of the Wellbeing Budget’s economic package. ...
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    16 hours ago
  • New Zealand’s National Statement to COP25
    E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā iwi, e ngā rau rangatira mā. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Señora Presidenta, Excellencies, Delegates. International action A common thread that runs through the Paris Agreement is the commitment we have made to each other to do what we can to ...
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    18 hours ago
  • $12 billion in extra infrastructure investment
    The Government is lifting capital investment to the highest level in more than 20 years as it takes the next step to future-proof New Zealand. Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced $12 billion of new investment, with $8 billion for specific capital projects and $4 billion to be added to ...
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    21 hours ago
  • Strong economy, careful spending gives $12bn of surpluses
    The Government is forecast to run $12 billion worth of surpluses across the four years to 2023/24 as the economy continues to grow. The surpluses will help fund day-to-day capital requirements each year. These include fixing leaky hospitals, building new classrooms to cover population growth and take pressure off class ...
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    21 hours ago
  • Priorities for 2020 Wellbeing Budget outlined
    Budget 2020 will continue the Coalition Government’s focus on tackling the long-term challenges facing New Zealand while also investing to future-proof the economy. When the Government took office in 2017 it was left with crumbling infrastructure, severe underinvestment in public services, degraded rivers and lakes, a housing crisis and rising ...
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    21 hours ago
  • Minister welcomes data-rich coastline mapping tool
    The Minister responsible for the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 (te Takutai Moana Act 2011), Andrew Little has welcomed the launch of an online geospatial tool that provides data-rich, dynamic coastline maps that will significantly boost research and evidence-gathering under the Act. Te Kete Kōrero a Te ...
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    22 hours ago
  • Chief Victims Advisor reappointed for a further two years
    The Chief Victims Advisor to Government Dr Kim McGregor, QSO, has been reappointed in her role for a further two years. Dr McGregor has held the role since it was established in November 2015. She provides independent advice to government on how to improve the criminal justice system for victims. ...
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    23 hours ago
  • New Zealand tsunami monitoring and detection system to be established
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Civil Defence Minister Peeni Henare have today announced the deployment of a network of DART (Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunami) buoys. “New Zealand and the Pacific region are particularly vulnerable to natural disasters. It is vital we have adequate warning systems in place,” ...
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    23 hours ago
  • DART Buoys Announcement
    DART Buoys Announcement Aotea Wharf, 9.30am 11 December 2019   Acknowledgements Acknowledgements to Minister for Civil Defence Hon Peeni Henare also here today. White Island It is with regret that this event shadows the tragic natural disaster two days ago. The volcanic eruptions on White Island have claimed 5 lives, ...
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    23 hours ago
  • Final steps for racing industry reform
    Racing Minister Winston Peters has welcomed the first reading of the Racing Industry Bill in parliament today. This is the second of two Bills that have been introduced this year to revitalise New Zealand’s racing industry. “Our domestic racing industry has been in serious decline.  The Government is committed to ...
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    2 days ago
  • Funding to promote New Zealand Sign Language initiatives
    Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni, is pleased to announce that $291,321 is to be awarded to national and local community initiatives to maintain and promote the use of New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL). “New Zealand is one of the few countries  in the world where Sign Language is an ...
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    2 days ago
  • How New Zealand defines and recognises veterans
    Minister for Veterans Ron Mark has announced today the Coalition Government’s initial response to work completed by the independent statutory body, the Veterans’ Advisory Board. “When Professor Ron Paterson completed his review of the Veterans’ Support Act in 2018, he made a number of recommendations, including one which I referred ...
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    2 days ago
  • Government to fund lion’s share of Ohakea water scheme
    The Government will fund the bulk of the cost of a rural water supply for the Ohakea community affected by PFAS contamination, Environment Minister David Parker announced today at a meeting of local residents. This new water scheme will provide a reliable and clean source of drinking water to the ...
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    3 days ago
  • Prime Minister statement on White Island eruption
    I have had the opportunity to be briefed on the details of the volcanic eruption of Whakaari/White Island, off the coast of Whakatane in the Bay of Plenty.  The eruption happened at 2.11pm today.  It continues to be an evolving situation.  We know that there were a number of tourists ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt funds $100k for weather-hit communities
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare have today confirmed initial Government support of $100,000 for communities affected by the severe weather that swept across the South Island and lower North Island over the weekend. The contribution will be made to Mayoral relief funds across the ...
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    3 days ago
  • Death of NZ High Commissioner to Cook Islands
    New Zealand's High Commissioner to the Cook Islands, Tessa Temata, died in Palmerston North over the weekend, Foreign Minister Winston Peters said today. Ms Temata, 52, had recently returned to New Zealand for medical treatment. "On behalf of the Government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, we extend ...
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    3 days ago
  • Wellington rail upgrade full steam ahead
    Transport Minister Phil Twyford today announced construction is underway on Wellington commuter rail upgrades which will mean more frequent services and fewer breakdowns. The upgrades include converting the Trentham to Upper Hutt single track section to a double track, with a new signalling system, upgraded stations and level crossings, and ...
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    3 days ago
  • Defence Climate Change Implementation Plan released
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark and Minister for Climate Change James Shaw have announced the release of a Defence Climate Change Implementation Work Plan, titled Responding to the Climate Crisis: An Implementation Plan.  The plan sets out a series of recommendations based on the 2018 New Zealand Defence Assessment, The ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt releases funding to support South Canterbury
    A medium-scale adverse event has been declared for the South Canterbury district, which will see up to $50,000 in funding made available to support farming communities which have been significantly affected by recent heavy rain and flooding in the area, says Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. “Two weeks of solid rain ...
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    4 days ago
  • Speech at launch of Rethinking Plastics Report
    Thank you Professor Juliet Gerrard and your team for the comprehensive and extremely helpful report and recommendations. Thank you too to all the stakeholders and interested parties who have contributed ideas and thinking to it. “Making best practice, standard practice” is a great framework for change and the action plan ...
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    4 days ago
  • Govt pledges next steps on plastic waste
    The Government will phase out more single-use plastics following the success of its single-use plastic bag ban earlier this year and the release today of a pivotal report for dealing with waste. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has welcomed the Rethinking Plastics in Aotearoa New Zealandreport, released by her Chief Science Advisor ...
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    4 days ago
  • International student enrolments grow in universities and the regions
    International education continues to thrive as the Government focuses on quality over quantity, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. The tuition revenue from international education increased to $1.16 billion last year with the average tuition fee per student increasing by $960. The total number of international students enrolled in New Zealand ...
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    5 days ago
  • Speech to Government Economics Network 2019 Conference
    I want to talk about one of the most pressing issues in our national life: the housing crisis and the poor performance of our cities. The argument I want to make to you is that generations of urban land use policy have lacked a decent grounding in economics. The consequences ...
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    5 days ago
  • DHB leadership renewed and strengthened
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says new appointments to DHBs represent a significant changing of the guard, with 13 new chairs including four Māori chairs. Today 76 appointments have been announced to complement elected board members, as well as eight elected members appointed as either chair or deputy chair.  Four ...
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    5 days ago
  • Tabuteau to advance New Zealand’s trade and political interests with European partners
    Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Fletcher Tabuteau, is travelling to Germany, Poland, Austria, and Spain next week to bolster New Zealand’s political and trade relationships in Europe. While in Spain, Mr Tabuteau will represent New Zealand at the 14th Asia-Europe (ASEM) Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Madrid. “New Zealand strongly supports ...
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    6 days ago
  • Statement from the Prime Minister on Kris Faafoi
    “I’ve spoken to Minister Faafoi, who has apologised for his poor handling of this issue,” Jacinda Ardern said. “I have confidence in Kris as a hardworking and effective Minister, but this should have been dealt with in a much clearer manner, and I’ve made my views on that very clear ...
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    6 days ago
  • Tonga-New Zealand Joint Ministerial Forum
    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters met with Tongan Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pohiva Tu'i'onetoa in Wellington today. The pair signed a Statement of Partnership setting out joint priorities for cooperation out to 2023.  “We welcomed Prime Minister Tu'i'onetoa on his first visit to New Zealand as Prime Minister. Tonga ...
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    6 days ago
  • Shooting in Kurow
    The Minister of Police Stuart Nash says his sympathies are with the family of a man who died after being shot by Police in Kurow. “Initial reports are that Police were called by a family member to help the man who was threatening to harm himself,” Mr Nash says. “However ...
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    6 days ago
  • Government delivers funding boost for ethnic communities
    Ethnic communities will be able to plan and deliver more community initiatives thanks to an increase in Government funding, Minister for Ethnic Communities Hon Jenny Salesa said today. “Ensuring Aotearoa New Zealand is a place we can all be proud to call home has been a key priority of our ...
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    6 days ago
  • Govt supports Southland farmers in sustainability
    Healthier waterways, better productivity and farmer wellbeing are front and centre in a new project involving more than 1000 Southland farmers and growers. Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor today announced that the Thriving Southland Change and Innovation Project is the first region-wide extension programme supported by the $229 million Sustainable ...
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    6 days ago
  • Flood of support for Top of the South catchment
    Work to look after nature and restore freshwater quality in Te Hoiere/Pelorus River catchment is getting a significant boost, thanks to new Government funding support Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage announced in Canvastown today. “Every New Zealander should be able to swim in their local river without getting sick, and ...
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    6 days ago
  • Eight Queen’s Counsel appointed under new criterion
    Eight Queen’s Counsel have been appointed under a process that includes the new criterion of a commitment to improving access to justice, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. “The new criterion was included this year. It emphasises that excellence and leadership in the profession can be seen through a wider, community ...
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    7 days ago
  • Major expansion for Wellington’s Onslow College
    Onslow College in Wellington will get 20 new classrooms for more than 400 students, Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. The much-needed investment will relieve growth pressure the school has been experiencing for some time. Seven existing classrooms which have deteriorated over time will also be replaced, bringing the total ...
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    7 days ago
  • Talented young Kiwis awarded PM’s Scholarships to Asia and Latin America
    More than 250 young New Zealanders will add international experience to their education, thanks to the latest Prime Minister’s Scholarships for Asia (PMSA) and Latin America (PMSLA), Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. This round of scholarships supports 252 recent graduates or current students to undertake study, research or internships ...
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    7 days ago
  • Government to improve competitiveness and transparency in the retail fuel market
    Consumers will benefit from a more competitive, transparent retail fuel market as a result of changes the Government will be making in response to the findings of the Commerce Commission’s study of the fuel sector. “We accept the Commission’s findings and, as the Prime Minister has said, we’re ready to ...
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    7 days ago
  • More cancer medicines for more people
    Five new cancer medicines have now been funded this year, meaning thousands of people have more treatment options PHARMAC has today announced that it has approved two new medicines for funding – fulvestrant for breast cancer and olaparib for ovarian cancer. This follows earlier decisions on advanced lung cancer treatment alectinib, ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government acts to sort out electoral ‘coin toss’ problem
    The Minister of Local Government, Hon Nanaia Mahuta says the Government will consider making changes to local electoral legislation before the 2022 elections to fix the problems that have arisen where elections are settled by a coin toss.  The Minister says the recount process in the Murupara- Galatea ward at ...
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    1 week ago