Resignationwatch: questions for Key

Written By: - Date published: 9:54 am, May 5th, 2012 - 42 comments
Categories: corruption, john banks, john key - Tags:

Does he believe Banks’ account of the Dotcom donation?

What corroborating evidence has he or his staff sought to confirm Banks statement, particularly as more irregularities and contradictions have emerged?

Ethical and legal behaviour are both requirements of ministers in the Cabinet Manual – Key is happy to apply a legal standard to Banks’ behaviour before he became a minister but says the ethical standard only applies after he became minister (conceding unethical behaviour prior), why the disconnect?

Why was he happy for ethical standards to be applied to the behaviour of Pansy Wong before she was a minister but not to John Banks?

Was it unethical for Banks to lie to the media and fake memory lose while a minister?

Check out David Fisher’s excellent account of the John Banks scandal.

42 comments on “Resignationwatch: questions for Key”

  1. toad 1

    Lianne Dalziel was forced to resign as a Minister for lying to the media. What makes Banks different, other than the fact that there is a different Prime Minister with supposedly “higher standards” for Ministers.

  2. ianmac 2

    Key’s bottom line is that Banks has done no wrong in law. He will hang onto that but should it blow up later, Mr Key can say he did not know. He was kept in (self inflicted) ignorance by those around him especially Banks who has not been questioned (what!) by the PM.
    More questions than answers. Will John Campbell ask more? Tune in next week to the continuing sordid saga of misdirection, mis-speaks, and memory loss. Brought to you by……………

  3. Nick K 3

    After seeing the cheque John Campbell produced on TV, it is crystal clear Kim Dotcom never made a donation. How could John Banks declare a donation from Kim Dotcom if he never made one?

    [how many Nick K’s can dance on the head of a pin? The donation came from Dotcom’s company and should have been declared as such since Banks clearly knew he had received such money. Is your new fallback: he thanked Dotcom for donating but didn’t know he had received money from Dotcom’s company? Eddie]

    • Kaplan 3.1

      After seeing the gift tags on the presents under the tree are all signed by Santa, it is crystal clear Santa really, truly, does exist.

    • ianmac 3.2

      How could John Banks ever have flown in a helicopter because everyone knows, helicopters, like bumble-bees, can’t fly. So they are lying that he did fly, and therefore there were no cheques and John Banks is a figment of everyone’s imagination. Like God. Phew. That fixed ’em.

    • freedom 3.3

      so your point is he could not declare a dobation fron Kim Dotcom per se, most people get that, but he must declare the donation from the company name plainly written on the cheque and which no doubt also appears on the election fund’s bank statement.

      • Nick K 3.3.1

        Most people get that? Bullshit! Everyone is saying he got a donation from Kim Dotcom that he said was anonymous.

        • felix 3.3.1.1

          So? It’s still not anonymous, whichever legal entity Dotcom chose to use.

  4. Nick K 4

    A retort like that simply confirms to me you know you’re fucked on this one.

    • Kaplan 4.1

      You must be confusing me with John Banks.

    • bbfloyd 4.2

      no baby puppy…. it is you who is fucked…..making patently stupid statements is not, i repeat, not, the way to convince anyone you have the judgement to make calls on when to put the sign out at a school crossing, let alone judgements that require remotely subtle thought processes…

      what gave you the idea that you were capable of making judgements on something as complicated as identifying a check? has your mother been reminding you how “special” you are again?

  5. Nick K 5

    A “check”? Who’s the stupid one now.

  6. What I want to know is if Kim Dotcom gave a donation to the National Party to help just a teensy weensy bit with his application for residence and is he now going to declare this.

  7. Wyndham 7

    And now Dotcom is considering suing the crown ! That should be interesting!
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/105067/dotcom-may-sue-crown

  8. marsman 8

    Key’s and Collins’ nasty hounding of Benson-Pope was to do with things that allegedly happened way before Benson-Pope was a Minister. Could we have a rerun on TV of some of Key’s vicious taunting of Benson-Pope in the House?

    • ianmac 8.1

      Well spotted marsman.

      • I also agree ianmac.The way those two ratbags attacked Benson-Pope was a disgrace ,but its typical Tory action. I bet Key wishes he could put a tennis ball in Keys mouth .

        • Dan 8.1.1.1

          Benson Pope was an outstanding teacher. He was given the job of looking after some of the “difficult” students as well as supervising outdoor education for city-slicker kids. It is very easy to judge people by today’s standards when the so called mistakes were made in a different time.
          I would love to see Collins in a classroom; the bullshit would last 2 or 3 days and then it would be all down-hill.
          Part of David’s demise was he got off-side with inside Labour politics.

          • Tom 8.1.1.1.1

            Thanks Marsman. Your reminder that Key has been around for some time makes his political performance inexcusable.

  9. VeniVidiVici 9

    With similar cases in the legal pipeline in the US, it is starting to look like an opening salvo by DRM holders against FOSS, with NZ chosen as the first target because it is seen as a pushover in geopolitical and legal terms, especially with a Merrill alumni as PM.

    Key looked ratty, uncomfortable, and defensive during the Campbell interview, but he turned up.

    Is Warners a party to the case ? Jackson’s commercial success is in large part due to FOSS for LOTR1-3.

    Stay tuned ..

    • ianmac 9.1

      Veni, “but he turned up”. That was the point that Diane made. He should turn up, and he should always turn up, as a PM in a Democracy. We say he turned up as though it was a gracious gift from up on high, instead of an expected responsibility of a PM. How many times have Key and other Minsters fronted during the Election? How many serious interviews has Key been in? One.
      By the way, notice how Key is not using his “hill-country aw shucks” persona?

  10. Tom 10

    ianmac, how would you describe his interview persona ?

    Inner-city street-kid made good ?

  11. Rodel 11

    We have immigrants from all over the world gaining residency in our country (and good on them) so their kids can be properly educated in our excellent state run schools.

    What bothers me..really bothers me… is Key letting simpleton Banks and his also ran woman (can’t remember her name) who knows nothing about education (neither of them) in charge of an experiment to introduce charter schools ..the very thin end of a wedge where our education system, respected all over the world could change into producing Little actoids like him.

  12. Kiwi Pete 12

    Anyone else read Steve Braunias ‘The Secret Diary of… John Banks’ in today’s newspaper? Classic opening line paraphrasing Marcel Proust, Remembrance of things Past, ‘Memory is hidden somewhere beyond the reach of intellect’

  13. Penny Bright 13

    FYI folks!

    Am looking for more ACT acronyms..

    A ccept
    C orrupt
    T emptations

    Have started campaigning in Epsom for the upcoming by-election – yesterday (Friday evening) in the WILDS of Remuera with brand new banners:

    “A ssociated with
    C rooks and
    T hieves

    with morph of dodgy John Banks morphing into (older /non-botoxed? )Mr Burns (Simpsons)

    plus rather lovely cariactures of Banks and Dotcom – MEAGASTUFFUPLOAD.COM

    The other banner :
    “AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE – unlike the ACT MP 4 EPSOM – DODGY John Banks”.

    Hundreds and hundreds of people saw these banners (the displaying of which probably a bit uncommon in the Remuera/Epsom electorate heartland?) – so arguably – there will probably be a bit of a ‘ripple’.

    A number of people agreed with the sentiments expressed, and took copies of the ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’ upon which I campaigned as an Independent ‘anti-corruption’ candidate in Epsom in 2011.

    (Had copies still available – how convenient! 🙂

    (Copies of ACTION PLAN downloadable on http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz)

    Beware dodgy and shonky Johns!
    A number of concerned members of the voting public do NOT like lies especially GIGANTIC WHOPPERS of the dodgy Banksie variety ……..

    Have secured the website http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com and am getting material organised for it.

    Will include copies of the formal letters of complaint to the Police lodged by myself and 2007 former Mayoral candidate Lisa Prager over the alleged $15,000 Sky City donation and alleged $50,000 donated by Kim Dotcom that were not disclosed.

    Also a copy of my formal complaint to the SFO against both John Banks and Kim Dotcom for alleged bribery and corruption (s105) of the Crimes Act 1961.

    Given that the SFO are purportedly the ‘lead agency’ to which allegations of bribery and corruption are to be reported, it will be fascinating to see what they do with this complaint.

    Not been impressed to date with the track record of the SFO (or the Police) when it comes to DOING THEIR JOBS and applying ‘one law for all’ to those alleged ‘white collar’ criminals who are running the country?

    Neither Police nor SFO did anything in 2008 when I made a formal complaint about John Key over TranzRail, or in 2011/2012 when I formally requested that they charge Banks and Brash as former fellow Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, for signing Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme registered prospectuses which contained untrue statements?

    Seems that some arguably crooked ‘white collar’ politicians are effectively a ‘protected species’ In NZ ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’?

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-forced-protect-banks-now-118018#comment-375541

    MY COMMENT – WAS PUBLISHED – THEN VANISHED!

    Gee – I wonder why THAT was?

    APPARENTLY CENSORED COMMENT (which probably means it’s ‘politically correct’? 😉

    Did John Key’s political protection of John Banks extend to helping to ensure that NO regulatory body to date has applied ‘one law for all’ to former fellow directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, John Banks and Don Brash, for signing Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme registered prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009, which contained untrue statements?

    HOW COME JOHN BANKS AND DON BRASH WERE NEVER CHARGED UNDER s58(3) OF THE SECURITIES ACT 1978 FOR WHAT IS A STRICT LIABILITY OFFENCE????

    Were there phone calls/ communications from the highest level to the former Securities Commission; the FMA, the SFO or the NZ Police to help ensure the effective (arguably corrupt) political protection of former National Party colleagues and future National Party necessary coalition allies – ACT’s (National “B” Team’s) current and former Leaders, John Banks and Don Brash?

    WHAT OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION CAN THERE BE FOR WHY IT IS THAT JOHN BANKS AND DON BRASH WERE NEVER CHARGED UNDER s58(3) OF THE SECURITIES ACT 1978 FOR WHAT IS A STRICT LIABILITY OFFENCE????

    In my considered opinion – this STINKS.

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    Independent candidate in future Epsom
    by-election.

    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

    • Hami Shearlie 13.1

      So many questions about Banks and Brash, and we just can’t get them answered Penny! A slogan for the campaign in Epsom could read – “Vote ACT, sponsored by Megastuffup” – and in tiny print at the end “load.com” which could also refer to the huge “anonymous donations” that they love so much!

    • seeker 13.2

      ACT- Association of Cabbages and Thieves.

      • rosy 13.2.1

        Perfect. I think you should copyright that seeker.

        • seeker 13.2.1.1

          lol Cheers rosy. Would love William Joyce to do a ‘poster’.
          By the way shortening ‘Association’ to Ass gives a better collective noun for the party I was thinking?!

  14. ianmac 14

    The NBR item by Mr Hooton was a very interesting take thanks Penny. Matthew’s explanation as to why Mr Key is so blatantly accepting of outrageous Bank line sounds right. And Key’s ignorance of Dotcom is part of it
    However if Matthew’s explanation is true then Mr Key must have been at least misleading John Campbell, and us. In due course Mr Key will have to explain the justification to us. To protect the Government from falling would not be a justification in my eyes.

    • ianmac 15.1

      Herald reports a poll that has 10% support for Banks in Epson down from 44% at Election.

  15. Tom 16

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-forced-protect-banks-now-118018#comment-375541

    Great PR Hoots !

    I think ‘now’ should read ‘for-now’ in the URL ..

  16. Maui 17

    McCarten .. “Drop Banks and spare us costly dead weight”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10803840

    to keep us amused until Key drops the guillotine. Did I get that right ?

  17. Penny Bright 18

    ACT

    A ccept
    C orrupt
    T ransACTions

    A ll
    C redibility
    T erminated (Heard that on talkback last night 😉

    Have secured the website http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    It is being worked on now…..

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Independent candidate for Epsom 2011 (and 2012 🙂

    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

    • seeker 18.1

      re: dodgyjohnhasgone Great work Penny, many thanks. Will be marvellous when we see the headline “dodgyjohnshavegone” – and not for another cup of tea this time!

      • Penny Bright 18.1.1

        All go tomorrow!

        Will be doing a Press Release, announcing that I’m standing in the Epsom by-election as a PROVEN ‘Anti-corruption’ campaigner – with an ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’ (ONE A4 PAGE) that should help focus public attention on what needs to happen to help STOP this dodgy/shonky behaviour!

        Check out the website!

        It’s HOT!

        (Even if I say so myself 😉

        http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

        Has copies of the complaints to Police and SFO (+ their replies) plus LOTS of other stuff that I think you’ll enjoy 🙂

        Have just finished painting new banner (blue writing on ACT yellow fabric)

        ____________________________

        ‘DODGY John Banks
        protected by
        SHONKY John Key?

        http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
        ____________________________

        If anyone wants to help – I need the loan of a legal, reliable hatchback car for 3 months?

        Want these banners up where the public can see them and would prefer to be self-reliant re: transporting the gear around….

        Hopefully someone out there who supports what I’m doing can help out here?

        Cheers!

        Penny Bright
        ‘Anti-corruption’ campaigner

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    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    7 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
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    1 week ago
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    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
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    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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