Roy Morgan Poll July 2020

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1. Dennis Frank 1

   15 July 2020 at 11:36 am

   Your reading seems valid. Minor quibble: JC is already demonstrating that she has more going for her than you think. As someone who has discounted her for years, I'm impressed. Has she got the x factor like Jacinda? I suspect not, however.

   So it's down to damage control for National, and she seems set to minimise the damage they've done to themselves. I'm now expecting her to lift National into the mid-30s in the next poll. Provided she is fair in her critique of Labour, that is. If she defaults to being merely oppositional, that lift will probably only reach the lower 30s.
   • observer 1.1

     15 July 2020 at 11:47 am

     "I'm now expecting her to lift National into the mid-30s in the next poll."

     If you mean the next Morgan poll, it's a month away, so it could be anything really.

     If you mean the next public poll of any kind, then Muller has given National a problem. The OneNews CB poll had them on 38%. They got a Muller bounce (or a Not-Bridges bounce, or a Covid bad news bounce – it doesn't much matter).

     So "mid-30s" won't be perceived as a lift, but a fall. For momentum, the line has to go up, and 40+ is a tough ask.
   • Devo 1.2

     15 July 2020 at 11:48 am

     Judith is likely to recapture some of the lost tories who felt like ACT was their only choice as well. Combine those two factors and we could see JC push the Nats right up against the edge of 40%
   • Draco T Bastard 1.3

     15 July 2020 at 12:17 pm

     JC is already demonstrating that she has more going for her than you think.

     She'll definitely be a strong leader but that doesn't necessarily mean that she'll be a good leader. Of course, National voters seem to prefer strong over good.

     So it's down to damage control for National, and she seems set to minimise the damage they've done to themselves.

     Perhaps or she's set to damage National in other ways.

     Provided she is fair in her critique of Labour, that is.

     When was the last time that a National Party leader was fair? All I can remember is them lying especially about Labour and the Greens.
2. swordfish 2

   15 July 2020 at 11:59 am

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   Reinforces my theory that the last Colmar Brunton significantly overstated the (9 point) swing away from Labour in June (their May Poll looking more and more like an outlier that exaggerated Lab support – against CB's usual Nat-friendly House Effect – & therefore exaggerated the subsequent swing away).

   Wouldn't take too much notice of the Greens' 9% rating … Roy Morgan is usually the Party's best Pollster … a pretty fair bet they're overstating support.

   NZF are in a bad way. And Collins ascension just rubs salt into the wound.
   • Devo 2.1

     15 July 2020 at 12:28 pm

     Wouldn't take too much notice of the Greens' 9% rating … Roy Morgan is usually the Party's best Pollster … a pretty fair bet they're overstating support.

     Likely overestimating the support somewhat, but their trend for the green party is promising. Up from the last poll and recovering from the lockdown drop that every party except labour experienced
3. BevanJS 3

   15 July 2020 at 12:12 pm

   Would Labour reach out a formal partnership hand to the Greens if Labour win outright? Surely not?
   • observer 3.1

     15 July 2020 at 12:21 pm

     I'm sure they would. Key even did it with the Maori Party, a much bigger chasm to bridge.

     Labour on 61 are not going to tell the Greens to join the 59.
   • te reo putake 3.2

     15 July 2020 at 12:49 pm

     Absolutely Labour will want the Greens on board.

     Firstly, out of loyalty to a party that has been supportive of Labour led Governments for 20 years. Secondly, because Labour may need them in 2023, so continuity counts. Thirdly, because the Greens are a source of progressive ideas that Labour can adopt without reputational risk.

     I'd also add that I expect NZ First to be kept in the tent, too. Assuming they make it back, of course.
     • Incognito 3.2.1

       15 July 2020 at 1:02 pm

       
     • Anne 3.2.2

       15 July 2020 at 2:58 pm

       Add to that James Shaw and Jacinda Ardern are personal friends going back many years.
     • Ad 3.2.3

       15 July 2020 at 3:50 pm

       +100
       • JO 3.2.3.1

         15 July 2020 at 8:18 pm

         Yes x three
     • Andrea 3.2.4

       17 July 2020 at 4:50 pm

       'Labour' and 'loyalty' in the same sentence?!

       You're having a laugh…
     • Sacha 3.2.5

       17 July 2020 at 4:57 pm

       But would Winston First agree to share the tent with the Greens? And which of the two will Labour favour this time?
4. Tiger Mountain 4

   15 July 2020 at 12:17 pm

   Well I am a late convert to optimism over polls for a Labour/Green Govt., because decades of election results show around 40% hard wired tory support out there–I include National and some of the revolving (per MMP) rats and mice parties to get that guesstimate.

   But there does seem to be a trend in 2020 now, even though professional polling seems to be less in number and more haphazardly scheduled than even 3 years ago. The Curia poll was dropped prior to the 2017 election I seem to recall. There does not seem to be a ‘poll of polls’ these days either apart from posters like swordfish’s efforts.

   It is a moveable feast perhaps, so cautious optimism is ok. For a number of New Zealanders Labour just needs to say “we kept the lid on Covid, can National be trusted to do that?” The answer is National would likely have locked down later–if at all, and opened up earlier, the consequences of that course are on display all around the world.
5. ianmac 5

   15 July 2020 at 12:35 pm

   About 4% from National seemed to have piled into Act. So about 34% as together sharing the same bed. Or not.
6. AB 6

   15 July 2020 at 12:35 pm

   The hope is that the pandemic has ripped the mask of moral respectability off National – and that enough people feel that it is time to expel the toxin from the body politic permanently. And that some sort of new (and better) configuration of parties appears. No way I would be counting on it though.
   • rrm 6.1

     15 July 2020 at 1:50 pm

     Yes!

     We definitely need to see more people lecturing the country – on behalf of the party that plies underage kids with booze and then denies everything when somebody gropes them at their weird live-in youth indoctrination camps.

     Please do keep talking about morality! It always works a treat.

     Game on! 😎

     [It was just a matter of time before you’d take it too far. Don’t make up vile shit again unless you want to lose your privilege for the rest of the year. Don’t argue with Moderators because it will have the same consequence for you – Incognito]

     [lprent: Personally I feel RRM is just an self-entitled troll who is simply incapable of learning. I’d have problems figuring out the number of times I’ve banned it. But lets see if it is capable of remembering its previous arse kickings, and speculate on its ability to learn from experience. I’d take a bet that it is simply too stupid to learn myself. ]
     • Incognito 6.1.1

       15 July 2020 at 2:00 pm

       See my Moderation note @ 1:50 PM.
7. Rrm 7

   15 July 2020 at 1:17 pm

   Heh – only the most desperate parties would change leaders this close to an election, right? 😎

   Don’t forget this poll was taken when some white fella in a suit had just rolled Bridges. National have a stunning and brave woman at the top now.
   • Phil 7.1

     15 July 2020 at 1:23 pm

     National have a stunning and brave woman at the top now.

     A feeling shared by many in the Ministry of Magic when Dolores Umbridge took over at Hogwarts.
     • rrm 7.1.1

       15 July 2020 at 1:30 pm

       Go on, show us what you got?

       She's a woman so you can't play the sexist patriarchy card.

       She's married to a Samoan so you can't play the you’re racist card.

       Oravida was thoroughly investigated and cleared. Only boring tribal people with a lisp and a penchant for making stuff up will be banging on about that.

       Game on! 😎
       • observer 7.1.1.1

         15 July 2020 at 1:58 pm

         In a way RRM just accidentally demonstrated the problem – in microcosm.

         Phil is not some tribal leftie. But the Collins fan club treat all doubters as Disloyal, which is why National MPs have not trusted her before (and probably don't now).
       • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.2

         15 July 2020 at 2:52 pm

         She's a woman so you can't play the sexist patriarchy card.

         She's married to a Samoan so you can't play the you’re racist card.

         Probably could because people in that position have bought into the racism and sexism that is endemic to the National clique.

         Oravida was thoroughly investigated and cleared.

         No, actually, it wasn't:

         Radio New Zealand has reported that John Key is refusing to release the advice he claims clears Judith Collins over her conflict of interest. And is now claiming that the Cabinet rules are ” just a guideline anyway”

         If the advice was what Key claims he would have released it. Without the release there can be no thorough investigation.

         Justice must be seen to be done.
       • froggleblocks 7.1.1.3

         15 July 2020 at 6:21 pm

         It's possible to be a female misogynist.

         It's possible to be racist and married to someone 'of colour' – like Brash for example.
       • newsense 7.1.1.4

         15 July 2020 at 7:41 pm

         Also Labour has a fiver so must be good with the economy.

         Know her by her friends. Not Key, not English.

         Brash and Shipley coming out strong for her.
     • Draco T Bastard 7.1.2

       15 July 2020 at 2:34 pm

       
   • rrm 7.2

     15 July 2020 at 1:27 pm

     And "the tired team of Collins & Brownlee"….. LMFAO!

     Because normal voting people will think it's strange to see a professional organization led by experienced senior people… right? That certainly never happens out there in the real world.

     Game on! 😎
     • Incognito 7.2.1

       15 July 2020 at 1:34 pm

       Judith and Gerry should have some appeal to Grey Power.
       • mac1 7.2.1.1

         15 July 2020 at 3:01 pm

         Why? I'm Grey Power and I find little appeal in either leader. Is it because of age? Grey Power age group is 50+. It has about 60,000 members out of an eligible population of say 1.5 million. You're making some pretty wide assumptions about how seniors vote. I'm also much more appealed to by a younger, intelligent, warm, empathetic, compassionate woman than to a person nearer my age who has far fewer of those qualities, especially in depth.

         But I'm just a boomer………… though we do know about dodgy dealers, dirty politics machinators, airport bullies, stairwell shovers, misusers of private information.
         • Incognito 7.2.1.1.1

           15 July 2020 at 3:07 pm

           You’re right, of course. Next time I’ll add this:
           • mac1 7.2.1.1.1.1

             15 July 2020 at 3:09 pm

             Ah, humour, I've heard rumours about that.
             • Incognito …

               15 July 2020 at 3:47 pm

               Nope, not me; I display my “complete lack of humour”, warts and all. Politics is deadly serious business, cut-throat, say some.
     • Ken 7.2.2

       15 July 2020 at 6:34 pm

       They are the absolute bottom of the barrel.
   • peterh 7.3

     16 July 2020 at 7:12 am

     Just go look on her facebook page ,1200 posts, about 200 have any respect for her
8. Byd0nz 8

   15 July 2020 at 2:25 pm

   Downward Spiral

   They are at it again, the Nats,
   Another bleeder bites the dust,
   Now they present old has-beens,
   As the new face to stop the rust.
   O how their adoring media folk,
   Try to spin the joke,
   A third time lucky trout for leader,
   For deputy, that big fat bloke.
   But no matter how they spin it,
   Their days are numbered fine,
   And after the coming election,
   Another bleeder will stand in line.
9. Alan 9

   15 July 2020 at 4:20 pm

   Any poll with greens on 9 and act on 5 is clearly a bullshit poll
   • te reo putake 9.1

     15 July 2020 at 4:28 pm

     Alan, both parties have done better than those numbers in actual elections, so yeah, nah. It’s no surprise in winter 2020 that either party are where the RM says they are (or close nearby). The Greens are closely associated with Labour and Labour’s doing well. ACT are a security blanket for depressed Nats. It makes sense that both would do well in the polls at this point in time.
     • Dennis Frank 9.1.1

       15 July 2020 at 4:48 pm

       Could it be biased in favour of younger generations though? Might explain more support for minor parties (diversity having more appeal).

       This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile – with a NZ wide cross-section of 879 electors during June. Of all electors surveyed 6% (up 0.5%) didn’t name a party.

       There's also their design using a broad window of time rather than the usual narrow window. That suggests it discriminates against fluctuations, making it more robust.

       It can be read as a referendum on Muller, since it spans his tenure as leader, suggesting a definite subsidence after his initial lift. Also the undecided seem smaller than usual – implying Labour has won most of the swing vote already.
10. NZJester 10

    16 July 2020 at 7:21 am

    As Nationals tamed MSN disinformation gang whitewash Crushers Dirty Politics history and Crusher instills fear in her cabinet to stop the leaks I'm sure they will gain a small bit of that gap back, but I think some of that regain will be from Act's numbers.

    With such a short time before the election though I bet the Dirty Politics crowd that will be emboldened now one of there own is sitting at the top of National will be looking for a nasty fake hit against the current government just before the polls so there is little time for it to be disproved.

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