Ruminations on deprivation

Written By: - Date published: 8:00 am, January 29th, 2018 - 172 comments
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So a few days ago I got caught in the rain. Not a usual shower, it bloody bucketed down. My raincoat which normally does okay in the rain was soaked through. I was sodden to the skin, and required a complete change of clothes.

I, however, am fortunate. I had fresh, warm, dry clothes to change into. I had better wet weather gear at home. I had several pairs of dry shoes to wear instead of the saturated, squelching lumps my favourite shoes had become. A quick change, a few swearwords, and my day was largely back on track.

Lack of household income is the reason that 8% of New Zealand kids don’t have two pairs of shoes in good condition. This isn’t a “poverty rate” or even a material hardship rate by any academic measure. When people refer to tens of thousands of kids in poverty, that might not include many kids who would have sodden feet or be barefoot for the next couple of days because it rained and $30 for a pair of shoes was too much for their parents to spring for.

These kids might not even be regarded as experiencing “material hardship”. Sure, they lack dry footwear, but maybe they only have  a few enforced lacks rather than reaching a score people bother using as a benchmark.

And sure, compared to kids in developing nations, some of these kids without a pair of dry shoes (because it rained yesterday) might look pretty well-off. The difference is that we face no practical or geopolitical barriers to addressing poverty in NZ.

But bureaucrats, academics, and international comparisons aside, most normal people would regard having a sock full of water (because you can’t afford better shoes) as a pretty clear sign you’re “poor” and experiencing some level of “material hardship”. And in this land of plenty, that’s inexcusable, child or adult.

How do we fix this?

On the plus side, we seem to have a government that actually cares about poverty. Yes, especially child poverty, but I think that “child poverty reduction” will be a gateway drug into “total poverty reduction”. The main classes of proposed solutions to poverty (with a relatively new-to-me idea at the end) seem to be:

– Economic growth
– Employment growth
– Benefit growth
– Universal Basic Income (UBI)
– Universal Basic Services (UBS)

Economic and employment growth are favourites of tories – an increase in the crude gauge of GDP results in more people getting jobs and leaving poverty this way. It might have worked once, but these days between what counts as a “job” (1hr/wk – pfft) and the conflicting factor of rapid automation make it yesterday’s magic wand. And the Non-Accerelating Inflation Rate of Unemployment ideology ensures unemployment will always exist because every time GDP takes off and people start to get jobs, the Reserve bank raises its lending rate to throttle the economy. And then the government ends up paying companies to employ the structurally unemployed at sub-living wages. Like a doctor bleeding a patient for “hysteria”, we should know better now.

Increasing benefit amounts and access would certainly solve the problem. Poverty is, after all, almost the only problem that can literally be solved by throwing money at it. Downsides are that the tories are pretty good at chopping it back every time they get into government. But there might be other arguments for and against…

UBI. Ah, UBI. Ever since I first heard about it, it’s had me for it, then agin it and back again. On the one hand it could be inevitable when almost all work is done by robots. We have already partially implemented it: the old age pension. The massive cost will be offset by procedural savings and sustained economic activity. On the flipside, the actual math inevitably falls into hand-waving territory and assurances it will work. It is very expensive to pay 4 million people a basic income at living wage level, and what about differences between people that might make some need more than the basics? Any discussion on this will likely have me thinking one way then t’other again…

Bill got me thinking on Universal basic services with his post about a vending machine network for the homeless in the UK.  The concept was a good idea, but it was twisted with the grasping nature of current thinking: if it’s free to everyone, people will just abuse it, and only the deserving poor should get something for free. So access was restricted to people who had dutifully seen their social services weekly. But we’re only talking about the basics, and with no marketing attached to make people want the products. So why not just have vending machines with life’s little essentials on street corners, in case people need pads or water or even light anoraks or a blanket? How will that get abused – people wanting to stockpile 50 blankets because they’re cool? Who are you going to sell them to, if everyone can get them for free? And people will still buy their own stuff – not everybody goes to opshops for their clothing. But if it’s the middle of the night, or cold, or wet, everyone has access to the basics. We already have it for some healthcare, where we get the service or product with zero cash down (albeit after a waiting list, these days). Housing is another area where this was already partially implemented, then rolled back. But if the government can supply the basics, why bother giving people money to buy them? Cutting out the profiteer in the middle is a very tempting idea. What do people think about free vanding machines, and what would they put in them?

So let’s put aside for a moment the technical definitions of “poverty” and discuss in general how to resolve it – and it can be resolved, so no fatalism, please, unless you can back it up with something more than a youtube vid you agree with (and summarise any links in your own words, just to be a dear).

~ McFlock

172 comments on “Ruminations on deprivation ”

  1. Dean Reynolods 1

    How do we solve poverty? The same way we solved it in our recent past. For the 50 years from 1936 – 1986, our social democratic society was based on 5 building blocks:

    1) A full employment economy paying living, (not minimum) wages
    2) Free education up to tertiary level
    3) Affordable housing, whether to rent or to buy
    4) Affordable health care
    5) Financial security in times of adversity or old age

    During those 50 years, the Government controlled the commanding heights of the economy, (finance, telecommunications, energy, transport, health, education, superannuation & social security) so that the economy worked for everyone’s benefit. In addition, we had both progressive rates of income tax, & capital taxes, (death duties, gift duty, etc.) to redistribute the enormous wealth which social democratic economies generate

    My generation, the boomers, were the beneficiaries of these 50 years – we were the best educated, best feed, best housed & healthiest generation NZ had ever seen. We had opportunities which our parents had only dreamed of & what was our response to our good fortune? We imposed shitty neo liberalism on our children & grand children!

    Thank God we’ve seen the back of the vile Key – English government. It’s time to start rebuilding a fair & decent society & the sooner the better!

    • McFlock 1.1

      Full employment might be a hard ask as AI automation comes in.

      But also, there’s a deeper question about whether “affordability” is the issue or maybe we can just take it out of the cash realm altogether? At the delivery end, anyway.

      • RedLogix 1.1.1

        We pay people to do what we value them to do.

        Looked at like this, unemployment is really nothing more than a poverty of values.

        My raincoat which normally does okay in the rain was soaked through. I was sodden to the skin, and required a complete change of clothes.

        What I like to call ‘perfect tramping weather’ 🙂

        (And yes I do get your point, real poverty is about not having the option to escape. It’s was the critical component of George Orwell’s Down and Out in Two Cities, which lent it a credibility few others could match.)

        • McFlock


        • patricia bremner

          “We pay people to do what we value them to do”…… Really?

          What about friendships?….. love? Free work for charities and clubs?
          We also buy things produced as hobbies. Often the maker/painter did not know it would be valued.

          Poverty is being unable to take part in your own society, and not having a fair share of life’s necessities.

          Sharing is key.

  2. The Fairy Godmother 2

    It reminds me of what I read in David Graeber’s book “Debt”. There was a native American culture where they had a big storehouse. If you were a basket weaver say, you would put your surplus baskets in there and people who needed a basket could take one. You might take out other goods you needed. It seems a great system. Very different to capitalism.

  3. Jess NZ 3

    The idea of socially provided basic services appears in practically every science fiction future illustrating a stable society, not a post-apocalyptic disaster.

  4. Stuart Munro 4

    The character of modern states is polycultural – lots of unrelated elements existing at the same time – oligarchy, feudalism, democracy, even traces of theocracy. Economies are similarly mixed, and it is the lower end that has been allowed to deteriorate. Prior to the 1980s, NZ featured a system of cooperatives that supported new entrant businesses in their field. The dairy and fishing cooperatives at least are now substantially extinct, and the one result is that the entry cost to these industries is now prohibitive.

    Rewi Alley, to whom NZ owes more of its positive relationship with China than is generally recognized, created a cooperative small enterprise generator to rebuild in the wake of the Japanese retreat, called Gung Ho.—rewi-alley-of-china-1979 It shared some features with Yunus’s Grameen Bank, especially in trying to push opportunity downward to the social strata with greatest lack of opportunity.

    The kind of capacity support once provided by cooperatives, the kind of funding support created by Gung Ho or Yunus, the infrastructural support Asian regional developers provide by building markets for local produce. And possibly a rainmaking exercise along the lines of Saemaul Undong, a new community movement that at its best was an exercise in forward looking local democracy directed at needs rather than monolithic white elephants like stadia or convention centres that dominate the thinking of some local bodies.

    • Brigid 4.1

      Thanks for the Rewi Alley link.
      Absolutely fantastic what he facilitated.
      It’s like a fairy tale in that it seems unthinkable that the Gung Ho philosophy would be accepted, let alone practiced in these neo liberal times.

  5. Puckish Rogue 5

    “So let’s put aside for a moment the technical definitions of “poverty” and discuss in general how to resolve it ”

    Its an interesting one isn’t it, poverty, the dictionary definition is:

    “the state or condition of having little or no money, goods, or means of support; condition of being poor.”

    I think though there does need to be a definitive definition of poverty as it relates to NZ, which would then mean help could be better focused

    For example the definition of 60% of the median income is far too broad and easily argued against , this definition is better:

    but the stats can also used for or against

    Growing up I probably lived in what considered poverty by todays standards (as did a lot of people) but I never felt in poverty so maybe cross party consensus of defining poverty could be a start

    • McFlock 5.1

      I’m a bureaucrat. Often I would kill for standardised measures that enable benchmarking of different demographic groups.

      But that’s not what this post is about.

      If a child has to go without shoes for two days because their only pair got rained on and their family can’t afford a $15 or $30 pair from the Warehouse, that child is experiencing hardship. That child is, for practical human purposes, “poor”. 8% of our kids are poor to the point of “wet feet” hardship.

      I think that in our country, with it’s sparse population and abundant natural resources, that is a wrong that needs to be righted.

      So if you want to argue definitions of poverty, go somewhere else, please. And if you have ideas on how to get to the point where no child in NZ is the helpess subject of wet feet, try to make them good ones.

      • Puckish Rogue 5.1.1

        Ok I guess then you’d have to look at why the shoes (or whatever) costs as much as they do and then work back from there

        Does the government give extra money for clothing or would specific item vouchers for retailers such as The Warehouse (due to range of items and general proximity) work better?

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          Or legislation to bring wages and benefits back to a reasonable level. That must’ve slipped your mind or something.

          • Puckish Rogue

            Sure right up until prices for goods are increased to due increased benefits, like whats happening with rents in Wellington

            • McFlock

              vouchers or benefits raised, it’s still increasing demand for products.

              So what can we do? In housing we can depress demand by having a state supplier. Can we do that with non-perishable essentials?

              • Puckish Rogue

                I get the feeling that if the government did supply something (for example shoes) the shoes would be pretty ugly and cheap or would quickly fall apart and have the potential for people wearing the items to be stigmatised

                Or not

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  If the National Party were managing the work, it’d just be yet another company for Steven Joyce to run into the ground, a complete trainwreck a la Novopay and Solid Energy and Mediaworks.

                  So yeah, we know you can’t do it and would fail.

                • McFlock

                  Stigmatised more than being without footwear appropriate to the weather?

                  state houses were pretty darn good quality. Why should state shoes be any different?

                  • Puckish Rogue

                    I’d guess that times have changed since then so whoever gets the contract will cut as many corners as they can will still fulfilling the basic contract

                    Personally speaking it seems like The Warehouse has most of everything covered:

                    Range of goods
                    Locations across the country
                    Bulk buying

                    If this something to look at I’d be looking at using The Warehouse

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      whoever gets the contract

                      a state supplier

                      One of these things is not like the other. Are you so frightened of the second concept it just failed to register or something?

                    • McFlock

                      heh. Yeah – slight conceptual difficulty for you there, pr

                    • whoever gets the contract will cut as many corners as they can will still fulfilling the basic contract

                      Which probably means that we simply shouldn’t use the private sector as they simply cannot be trusted to do the job well.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      My bad, I was assuming it’d be a private public partnership

                      But fair enough, how would you then make sure that whatever government department runs it doesn’t end up like the Railways or MOT, with far more people than needed and a reputation for being either lazy or shoddy?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Sue the National Party on behalf of the workers and beneficiaries they defame?

                    • McFlock

                      I suspect that your perceived problem would be solved when employment becomes accepted as the exception rather than the expectation.

                    • Puckish Rogue


                    • McFlock

                      My understanding from some state workers in the pre-84 days was that some government departments were inefficient because they were used to keep people in work, not just as a provider of their primary service.

                      Over the next ten to twenty years we’re going to continue to see growing numbers of industries wiped out by automation rather than exported jobs, and at an accelerated pace.

                      >90% employment rates will simply be unsustainable. The production capacity will exceed even the most artificially inflated demand.

                      So any solution to poverty needs to recognise that likelihood, as well as the current situation.

                    • Antoine

                      Perhaps you could have said in the post that we should aim our solutions at a weird imaginary techno utopia with 90%+ unemployment. If that is your scenario then our real-world-based comments are not going to help you much


                    • McFlock

                      I figured that most readers were smart enough to figure out likely ramifications of driverless vehicles (there goes most of your drivers and your sailors are reduced to cargo minders until the figure out a robot that can add additional tie-downs in a gale, and if we become used to driverless cars why would we still want human pilots?).

                      In case you hadn’t noticed, we already have automated barges, AI carsd being tested, even customer service droids in their early steps. Not to mention automated checkouts, loan assessment, logistics networks, production lines… there’s a line where the efficiency of production will exceed the demand for humans to produce things even to satisfy the most inflated human consumption. We’re fast approaching it – it’s decades away, not centuries.

                      Elimination of poverty didn’t just mean “for the next few years”. I meant a permanent-as-possible elimination of poverty.

                      If you thought the post was about how to end yesterday’s poverty, you’re thinking behind the times. How can we eliminate it. And that requires us to look at the likely conditions in the future – AGW, AI, we need solutions that can help deal with all of that stuff.

                    • Antoine

                      This is science fiction, I’ll leave you to it

                    • McFlock

                      Meanwhile, the first court case involving a self-driving car is proceeding.

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              Check the news: there is huge demand for Wellington flats. If you’ve rote-learned any basic economic concepts you may recall something about the effects of increased demand on price.

              Nice try though. Why don’t you ask for a better scriptwriter?

              • Puckish Rogue

                Yes correct there is a huge demand for flats, helped in part by the government wanting more people to study by offering a free years tuition and increased living costs means that landlords can raise the rent because people have more money, is it really a surprise that the amount landlords appear to be raising happens to match the amount being given out?

                • McFlock

                  You put your finger on the problem right there – the housing market is so tight now that a single sector can extract all of a rise in income for a portion of the population, with zero lag – preemptively, even.

                  Not, say, unibooks, unipubs, supermarkets etc all tweaking their prices up as well, to cumulatively get the increased income. One sector of suppliers is in a position to take it all, right now.

                  So it needs heavier regulating, now.

          • Chuck

            If it was that simple OAB to:

            “legislation to bring wages and benefits back to a reasonable level”

            Then why is the current Government only increasing the minimum wage by 75cents this year? And taking the best part of the next 3 years to hit $20 hr?

            Why don’t they just legislate for say $25 hr minimum wage and lift all benefits by 100% effected from next week?

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              I suggest you compare NZ with Seattle. I did the calcs a while back and if we copied their recent minimum wage increase in percentage terms, it’d be $25 by 2020. So clearly there’s room to do more.

              Funny though, in an amazing coincidence, a bunch of completely ignorant dupes in the USA raised exactly the same objections as you and were humiliated and proven 100% wrong.

              It’s almost as though the Republican Party has eaten your brain too.

              • Chuck

                I am aware of the Seattle minimum wage increases.

                “Angela Stowell, an owner and the chief executive of Ethan Stowell Restaurants, which has about 300 employees in 14 restaurants around the city, said it was too early to judge the effect of the minimum-wage law because it was still being phased in. But she said the chain had not reduced hiring because of the higher employee costs, though it has increased some menu prices and instituted a 20 percent service fee.”

                “Of the 20 restaurateurs I am close friends with in Seattle,” she said, “none have told me they are hiring fewer staff due to the increased minimum wage.”


                I note you did not answer my question…why not just increase to $20 or even $25 come April 2018?

                BTW: I did not raise any objections to increasing the minimum wage in my post above…you have taken license to put those words in my mouth OAB.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Why not indeed? Seattle’s experience of a 58% increase in twenty months certainly provides confidence (based on the evidence, not anecdotes) that it’ll work.

                  I daresay there’s a level beyond which it would cause problems. 58% in twenty months though. Can you imagine what that witless gimp Steven Joyce would say? 😆

        • Draco T Bastard

          Or the government could build a factory that automatically made shoes from our own abundant resources and made them freely available at corner automated dispensaries.

          • McFlock

            Unless they’re one-size-fits-all crocs, shoes etc might be a logistical challenge for vending machines. It’s called “the Warehouse”, not “the Cupboard” lol

            Which brings to mind what other distribution networks would be needed for more bespoke basic items like shoes and tshirts.

            • Draco T Bastard


              Have the shoes made on site and on-demand. They’d even be the perfect size every time and people could supply their own designs.

              • McFlock

                That’s an idea, as the tech matures (still takes too bloody long, and the plastic most of them use is a bit shit for footwear, from what I’ve seen).

                Wouldn’t user-supply designs though – that’d be inviting hacking.

                • There are multiple types of plastics used in 3D manufacture some of which are more than suitable for shoes. And the process is already getting faster as more R&D goes into it.

                  R&D into 3D manufacturing is something that the government should be doing else we’re going to get left behind and in deeper poverty.

                  And if the distribution site is connected to the internet, which it will have to be, then people are going to try to hack it. Just need to strengthen it as much as possible while also making hacking it worthless.

        • McFlock

          Starting price $9. Plus transport/delivery.

          The problem isn’t cost, even if they are made by political prisoners or sweatshop children.

          The solution isn’t bing on hold to a call center then queuing for an appointment next week.

          The problem is that some parents don’t have even a few bucks aside for any adverse event. Not because they gamble or whatever, but because their income is less than the cost of living.

          So again, what solutions do you have for this problem?

  6. weka 6

    Very cool post McFlock.

  7. Chris 7

    “Increasing benefit amounts and access would certainly solve the problem. Poverty is, after all, almost the only problem that can literally be solved by throwing money at it. Downsides are that the tories are pretty good at chopping it back every time they get into government.”

    Labour’s pretty good at chopping things back every time they get into government, too. That’s because at the heart of the problem are beliefs and values. Attacking benefits hasn’t really been a National/Labour thing at all. It’s been a climate of opinion thing.
    As of right social security has been sacrosanct across both parties from introduction in 1938 pretty much until the 1980s when Labour began chipping away at it with things like the two-week stand down etc. That did two things: it opened the way for both parties to continue to do it, but importantly it began to alter the thinking of the general population, dividing people on the basis of who’s deserving.

    The real damage to the national psyche when it came to benefits was done by the nats in the 1990s, but only because Labour opened the door. The point, though, is that we’ve never recovered from that battering. One of the most important things we need to do is to rebuild people’s belief in the need for a compassionate and caring society. Until we do that every next government will just keep “chopping it back”.

    • McFlock 7.1

      One of the most important things we need to do is to rebuild people’s belief in the need for a compassionate and caring society.

      Ok, that’s what we need to do. How do we do it?

      • koreropono 7.1.1

        My two cents (I have a few to give with some comments above but that will be a marathon post and I don’t have time). “How do we do it” – challenging ideology, challenging discourse, and consciousness raising – people (even those affected by poverty) need to understand the systemic causes of poverty (even the poor blame themselves for being poor) – we need to break down the stereotypical, beneficiary bashing discourse that prevails – that would be a good start.

      • Anon 7.1.2

        /Be/ compassionate and caring, show people how good it is? /Actually/ roll back neoliberalism instead of just commiting to not adding to it?

        I for one would like to see some actual practical outcomes, instead of an idealogical shift followed by “yeah but money tho” and no actual change. There’s little changes we could do now that don’t even have to cost as much money as an all weather horse racing track, e.g. force WINZ to helpfully explain to people what they’re entitled to and provide helpful practical advice – including assist people to fill in forms where nessicary – instead of rudely discouraging everyone from even trying to get out of poverty. Take even /some/ of the hoops out of the circus.

        • McFlock

          Yes, I agree the winz culture needs to be overhauled.

          OK, so let’s assume that the current lot are unwilling to push winz that far, or don’t have the leverage/power.

          How do we make winz help people willingly?
          Who do we need to contact?
          Is it a miscommunication, or is the office floor supposed to handle that now reduced to one overfrazzled public servant with an impossible workload (they exist, I’ve met them)?

          Do we talk with someone responsible, or do we protest? Is it a regional protest, or a day of action? It there a current group willing to accept help to organise, or has that into a turf war, too?

          Do people start by getting background off the record perspectives from advocates?

          What skillsets can you offer? What skills are needed?

          What can be done by members of the public to make change in winz inevitable?

          • Anon

            To be clear I have no real personal experience dealing with WINZ, only fairly limited anecdotal information about their culture (outside of what’s publically availble in blogs etc).

            In order:
            – I don’t know. Advocacy from specific groups and knowledgable individuals seems to help them begrudgingly help case by case, not sure if that would help shift culture though.
            – I don’t know.
            – The stories I’ve heard include a bigot case manager who pulled their head in after a letter from an advocacy group (whom she was already known to), and a case manager who spent an hour trying to deny something they were required to provide and ended up having to give in – but there’s also a lot of blaming the call centre for wrong information and refusal to help sort out forms. The pessimist in me says there appears to be a cohesive effort to deny people, but I know there are other case managers who just sail people through no problem.

            – I favour talking first, personnally, but I can you now I won’t be leading this charge so it won’t be up to me.
            – Educating volunteers to inform and advocate, and sending them out to WINZ offices across the country sounds interesting to me – really show WINZ and their clients what helping people could look like. Otherwise no idea, my usual form of protest is ignoring a thing or whining on the internet.
            – I know there are advocacy groups, specifically for WINZ and broader focus like citizens advice. I’d don’t know if there are groups specifically aimed at political change.

            – If I was actually going to take this up I would, since I have no idea what I’m doing.

            – None. Organisation & communication at the least I’d imagine.

            – Can that even be done? I literally cannot imagine the general public being overly sympathetic to beneficiaries. Hmm, given the strong hold unions have on Labour, a push for unions to push the issue – sell it as workers right to support should the worst happen – might help. But, as I understand unions tend to help smooth over WINZ transitions, so they may not want to rock their own apple cart… maybe WINZ needs a union?

            • Sam

              WINZ needs a union like the police needs one. They should all be fired and given a Universal Basic Income. And then we will see how dedicated they are to the humanities… My assumption is not very fucking dedicated.

            • Chris

              The current union movement should take up the cause for beneficiaries. The split between employed and unemployed workers is a false one and helps to uphold the sterotype. The labour movement must surely be about the pool of labour, and not a distinction between the employed and unemployed. Both share the same foe, which is capitalism and its consequences.

  8. The difference is that we face no practical or geopolitical barriers to addressing poverty in NZ.

    Well, there is one over-riding political factor – capitalism cannot work without poverty. And, on top of that, it will always create and increase poverty.

    In other words, the real problem of addressing poverty is getting rid of capitalism.

    • McFlock 8.1

      Ok. How?

      Bear in mind that I’ll probably be repeating that comment many times, not to be a jerk but because there’s many a slip ‘twixt dress and that particular set of drawers, and each one has its own “how”.

      • That is the question.

        Many people believe that capitalism is good because that’s what they’ve been taught and changing from that system scares them as it’s what they’re comfortable with.

        So there’s at least two aspects:

        1. Teaching people that capitalism doesn’t actually work and thus creating movement away from the status quo and
        2. Getting the change happening in such a way that doesn’t get people digging their heel in from fear of the change.

        • McFlock

          Do you see progress in the current teaching methods? Is there something from left field (heh) that hasn’t been tried and might spread without mainstream financial and media support?

          Because the capitalist media will try as hard as fuckery to create the fear you mention in 2.

          • Draco T Bastard

            The problem with current teaching is that it simply teaches that capitalism is the only way. That’s what people are taught at school and at tertiary. No other ideas are taught and none entertained.

            That needs to be changed but how I don’t know.

            And, yes, the capitalist owned MSM are also a problem.

            • McFlock

              So you mean teaching people in schools that capitalism doesn’t work?

              That might be achievable, within initial constraints. It takes a curriculum change. Maybe not plug it as “capitalism doesn’t work”, but more balanced perspectives on the downsides of it might be achievable.

              I don’t know how a curriculum change is made – someone has to, though.

  9. Antoine 9

    From where I’m sitting, the main upward driver of poverty since 2000 seems to have been the housing market.

    So, then:
    – try to stop the housing bubble from swelling any further
    – don’t drive up rents
    – don’t drive up interest rates.


    • McFlock 9.1

      OK. How?

      If the kiwibuild plan comes to fruition, will it have an effect on any or all of those?
      Given the contraints of the RBA, how can the government keep interest rates down?

      • Antoine 9.1.1

        > Given the contraints of the RBA, how can the government keep interest rates down?

        Avoid inflationary spending, particularly wage and benefit increases?


        • McFlock

          So one way to eliminate poverty is to limit the income of the poorest people?

          That seems counter-intuitive. Please, continue.

          • Antoine

            You see my point though? Wage rises are inflationary – (a) because services cost more to pay for the higher wages, (b) because people who earn more, can spend more, which increases demand and hence prices. What is the response to inflation? It is to raise interest rates. What does raising interest rates do? It makes it more expensive to own (and hence to rent) property.

            Am I missing something?


            • McFlock

              Yes. Providing a solution.

              For example, I believe that currently (or until recently) the sole factor considered by the Reserve Bank in setting OCR was inflation. What about expanding that to include full employment?

              Alternatively, rather than lending to banks (that have access to foreign capital anyway), why not make the government the first borrower of choice? Pump the money outthrough the regions directly?

              And is it even a problem at the levels required? The inflation in housing rentals is the result of ongoing market mismanagement turning the accommodation portion of a benefit into a subsidy-on-demand for landlords. How long would it take for a living wage minimum wage to trickle up into pay rises for the majority of workers?

              • Antoine

                > Yes. Providing a solution.

                It is to go easy on trying to hand out money to everyone, e.g. through minimum wage rises.

                > I believe that currently (or until recently) the sole factor considered by the Reserve Bank in setting OCR was inflation. What about expanding that to include full employment?

                Then you get inflation, which isn’t good for people on fixed incomes or anyone who didn’t get a pay rise.

                > rather than lending to banks (that have access to foreign capital anyway), why not make the government the first borrower of choice?


                > And is it [ie increasing interest rates] even a problem at the levels required?

                I think so! Bear in mind that not everyone is a worker, or in a household with a worker, so living wage / minimum wage rises won’t help everyone. But just about every poor person who has a home is exposed to interest rates, I think.


                • Antoine

                  But really this interest rates thing is a second order issue. The main thing is that Twyford beat the housing crisis…


                  • McFlock

                    Actually, the main thing is do you have any practical ideas on how to eliminate poverty.

                    Sorry if my post was unclear on that.

                • McFlock

                  What subset of “poor people” have their own homes?

                  State houses aren’t subject to interest rates.

                  Non-leveraged rentals aren’t subject to interest rates.

                  Oh, and “urgh” is not an argument :p

                  Basically, if the lag between the extra income or cash injection into the economy is longer than the implementation time, then you can get a smaller splash over a longer period, and other inflation-control measures can be used.

                  E.g. increase benefits, monitor the effect, and tweak interest rates if inflation becomes an issue. How would that effect things? Poor people have more money, property speculators have less, and some of them might overlap for zero change.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Yes. Providing a solution.

                Antoine has a problem for every solution.

            • UncookedSelachimorpha

              Presumably wage / benefit rises can be applied while taking from elsewhere – so net spending relative to real goods and services could remain similar. i.e. more spending on housing and services, and less on super yachts and tax lawyers perhaps.

  10. One Two 10

    Nice article, McFlock..

    Myths need to be deconstructed openly to dispel ‘monetary scarcity’…

    Once that barrier has been cleared and the mythical constraint permanently removed, solutions become unlimited, unconstrained only by imagination…

    Root cause constraint = ‘money’

    Remove it, then progress will accelerate

    • McFlock 10.1

      OK, I’ll bite. Remove money – fair enough. How?

      • One Two 10.1.1

        ‘Remove money’ as a perceived blocker to providing solutions [all/any social/INF etc]..

        Once the ‘scarcity myth’ has been dispelled, it simplifies the path to solutions being possible, by sidelining the ‘too costly’ ney-sayers…

        At that moment, ‘any’ social contract failings become solveable…and would only require the options to be agreed upon..

        Free from monetary constraint, and those who believe it actually is a constraint…

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          That doesn’t explain how you intend to remove money in the first place, which was the question. If you have zero clue how to do it please just say so.

        • McFlock

          what OAB said. How will you remove money?

          • One Two

            The psychological constraint…

            Budget Surplus
            Fiscal responsibility
            ‘We can’t afford it’

            Start by talking ‘truth’…a misunderstood concept, but an unavoidable concept to be ‘resurrected’…

            What comes after ‘truth’, will be genuine improvements in issues such as poverty…

            • McFlock

              So, if I understand you adequately, we argue for budget deficits, against balanced or non-inflationary budgets, and demand spending without taxation?

              How do we persuade people that these aren’t completely stupid ideas?

              • Point out the reality that it’s presently the private banks creating the money and that they then benefit by charging interest on the money. Doing so makes it impossible to pay off the debt and so will collapse the economy.

                That the only solution is for the government to be the sole creator of money and that the government spends it into the economy via productive uses such as building houses.

                • McFlock

                  with respect, people have been arguing against fractional reserve banking for ages, with little headway (if any).

                  If that is the answer, how do we do it successfully?

                  • The arguments against fractional reserve banking have, IMO, been gaining ground recently. Partially because people are better educated and so can more readily understand the faulty logic that backs it. Partially because the internet means that it’s easier to get that information out and partially because research is showing that sovereign money is a workable solution.

                    • McFlock

                      Fair enough. It needs to gain a lot more ground before the media start dropping large amounts of shit against it (a sure sign of popular support 🙂 ).

                      But if you’re making progress, more power to you.

                • Chuck

                  “Point out the reality that it’s presently the private banks creating the money and that they then benefit by charging interest on the money.”

                  Banks / institutions take a margin on the interest they charge verse the interest they pay depositors.

                  Private banks / institutions account for maybe 70 to 80% of money creation the balance is via RBNZ.

                  So why does the RBNZ allow banks to create money?

                  To create credit, which by enabling the funding of investment, contributes to the economy’s ability to grow.

                  So what you are suggesting is that all banks close down. The RBNZ then enters the retail / commercial market and opens up branches across NZ?

                  What can go wrong with that 😉

                  • Graeme

                    Well, have a think about it..

                    If the only institution that could create credit was the State, or a state owned entity, then the profits of creating the credit would go to the State. That’s what we pay taxes to in order to receive the benefits of our civilisation.

                    So if the State is making all the money out of the credit that’s driving our economy then hard working individuals and businesses won’t have to pay as much, and maybe any, tax.

                    What could go wrong with that.

              • One Anonymous Bloke


            • One Anonymous Bloke

              You think you speak the truth, aye, yet money hasn’t disappeared, and you still haven’t explained step two.

              1. Speak the truth.
              2. ???
              3. Money disappears, as does poverty.

              Surely you have some clue?

          • Draco T Bastard

            He’s not saying to remove money but to remove the constraints that have been placed upon it for the benefit of the private banks.

            More specifically, you have only the government creating money and spending it into the economy. That removes the artificial constraint that been built up over time that the government has to tax to get money. They become the source for it instead.

            • McFlock

              ok, how do you achieve that goal?

              I really am in the sort of “physio to learn to walk again” mode: it’s a big goal for massive change, so what steps do we need to achieve it, and how do we make the first step without falling over?

              • 1. Ban the private banks from creating money in any form. They can only loan out what they have on deposit for that purpose.
                2. The government creates money and spends it into the economy via government services.
                3. Government makes 0% interest loans available to businesses
                4. Adjust taxes to try to keep inflation low.
                5. Ban the use of foreign money in NZ for any purpose.

                • McFlock

                  So 100% reserve banking and eliminate the reserve bank.

                  How do we achieve that?

                  • Actually, it’s 0% reserve banking as there’d be no money left in reserve to cover money being taken out by the customer. If the money is loaned out the customer wouldn’t be able to withdraw it.

                    And I didn’t say anything about the elimination of the RBNZ. It’s more that it would be changed from it’s present state that allows the private system to almost work to one that makes money available to the government upon demand while also adjusting taxes to maintain low inflation.

                    • McFlock

                      RBNZ currently controls the money supply and does banking regs. If the money supply is being controlled directly by the government, that’s a large chunk of RBNZ work no longer being done.

                • Chuck

                  Sounds all nice in theory DTB.

                  The reality is that New Zealand would become another Zimbabwe or Venezuela.

                  • Zimbabwe has the problem of corruption at the top.

                  • McFlock

                    Chuck, pissing on ideas is easy.

                    Is there any chance you have any ideas on eliminating poverty and deprivation in our plentiful country?

                    • Chuck

                      Didn’t quite mean it as pissing on DTB idea…but get the point!

                      I see it as both an economic and social issue…for people/families struggling in NZ.

                      Housing is too expensive, the measures announced by both the last Government and this current one will help to address that. The large increase in the accommodation supplement, for example, will directly help those most in need.

                      Housing supply and the barriers to development along with building costs need to be addressed.

                      Employment – jobs and increasing everyone’s incomes (especially at the lower end). Yes OAB increase the minimum wage…but carefully so not to have unintended outcomes.

                      Drugs, alcohol, gambling, tobacco these are present throughout society…but hit the poor the hardest. This leads to bad decisions…help needs to be provided to stop people abusing those substances.

                      And finally, you need to have buy-in by the majority of NZ ers to make it work. Both ends of the political spectrum.

                    • McFlock

                      Why not develop the state housing stock rather than leaving it for private developers to do, seeing as they back off when the property market reduces its profitability?

                      We need to get back to a sheep shearing model of development, not a buffalo slaughtering model.

                    • Chuck

                      “Why not develop the state housing stock rather than leaving it for private developers to do, seeing as they back off when the property market reduces its profitability?”

                      Of course, yes state housing is vital. I guess it comes down to which side of the fence your political views are…as allow social housing providers to run part of the state housing stock or it all needs to be run by the Government of the day.

                      I think a combination of state housing and private developers will keep each other on their toes. Government monopolies in the whole turn out to waste resource and not deliver the full potential of what could be achieved.

                    • McFlock

                      The flipside is that comparison with private sector providers tends to encourage governments to regard state providers along profit-gaining lines rather than e.g. whether all people actually have homes.

                  • Stuart Munro

                    This is probably true – scoundrels like Bill English can no more be entrusted with money creation than he could with Solid Energy. He’d wreck and hock off even more of NZ.

                  • UncookedSelachimorpha

                    Hi Chuck

                    There were specific circumstances in both Zimbabwe (Mugabe reforms destroyed economic output) and Venezuela (economy dependent on single commodity), that resulted in hyper-inflation, not their monetary policy (which was more a result than a cause).

                    The below talk gives some really good insight, I recommend it to anyone interested in monetary policy!


              • One Two

                Cheers, Draco…you’re solid on this subject…

                McFlock, the simple answer is that ‘truth’ must be spoken, loudly, publicly and repeatedly about ‘money’…

                Why it needs not be ‘either or’, when society can have ALL core social requirements fully funded, without debt…

                The taxation discussion is a little different, except to say that funding does not require taxation or debt…not one cent..

                Until truthful dialogue is being pushed into the mainstream consciousness repeatedly, until it is accepted for the ‘fact’ that it already is…

                The crucial subjects you raise, cannot have the meaningful solutions they should have, and must have…

                RBNZ is the only legal issuer of NZD…so why is there 100bn of government debt…

                It is the biggest scam in human history…and is the root cause of almost all major problems faced by humanity…

                • McFlock

                  Thing is, if you think you’re speaking the truth, I have bad news for you – you’re not getting your message across to this audience member, anyway.

                  So it’s not just whether the truth is spoken, how it is spoken is also important.

                  Proclamations from on high are not usually persuasive by themselves, they need patient logic and a certain amount of coherence.

                  • One Two


                    It is highly improbable that other MP’s (past, present) will talk openly about about it…even if they do understand

                    So pressure needs to build from ground up, I would say…

                    Which makes your comment so important…how to structure delivery of the ‘money’ explanation…in such a way which will enable that message to gain the appropriate traction…and then momentum…and then pressure…

                    The ‘scam’ is well understood and small pockets, however I would say that many, would not be aware of it…

                    *NZ has sovereign currency…

                    *NZ can create fund for any requirement to be paid for in NZD…

                    *NZ does not need to borrow to fund social spending…

                    *NZ does not need to raise taxes to fund social spending…

                    Why Not….

                    How to shape that up appropriately…

                    • McFlock

                      without figuring out that first step, we won’t be able to walk the journey.

                    • One Two []


                      A place to start would be to trawl social media to find some street level pockets of understanding…

                      There was a guy called Ian Parker who was pushing very hard for a number of years..

                      He met with Andrew Little a few years before he became leader to talk it through…

                      There were small groups who have ‘picketed’ outside the RBNZ over the years…

                      Shaping up the message is easy relative to finding a ‘face’ to front the delivery of it…

                      Places to start

                    • The solution to our economic and social woes has been a matter of public record for more than 80 years, the problem is that we have forgotten it.

                      It’s a rather interesting point that the 1st Labour government actually went there.

                      And this:

                      It is beyond doubt that the current money system has a huge impact on the distribution of power and wealth and heavily contributing to systemically worsening inequality. Even though there is growing public awareness and debate about the problem of inequality, so far the focus has been on the distribution of existing money and wealth, while the distributive effect of how and for what purpose money is created in the first place, seems to be a complete blind spot.

  11. Antoine 11

    Also, if you want to eliminate poverty _in NZ_ then we need to stop taking so many refugees as they tend to be pretty poor.

    (But maybe this is not really the goal?)


    • McFlock 11.1

      given the low number of refugees we actually take, that’s probably not a big factor to affect the economy if we just throw more money their way

    • UncookedSelachimorpha 11.2

      Maybe we could simply deport poor people – by similar logic that would also work.

      Actually refugees normally do very well economically I believe.

      We have a political and economic system that creates and maintains poverty – and could have one that didn’t do that, if we choose.

      If you were to deport all poor people (or prevent poor refugees from coming to NZ) – the current system will simply create a new bunch of poor people.

  12. Bill 12

    Poverty cannot be eliminated by way of capitalist means. Various policies around redistribution can be put in place by a government that will ameliorate some levels or instances of poverty, but since poverty is a central product of capitalism due to it always concentrating wealth and resources…

    So, to tackle things at the root, we’d need to escape the fetters of capitalism, yes? And since capitalism operates by way of market mechanisms, then if we abolished the market, we’d be on the way.

    How to abolish the market? Stick your hands in your pocket. Cue the demise of capitalism and the power bases that rely on it.

    Now that’s out of the way… we can come together and build democratic (and therefore non-market based) forms of production and distribution. Being democratic, we’re talking about systems and ways of organising that involve us all and that we all agree with.

    Or we could, rather than simply having our hands in our pockets, begin experimenting and developing democratically ordered ways to produce and distribute while only keeping our hands in our pockets when asked to produce profit for a capitalist.

    Or maybe we begin by only keeping our hands in our pockets when faced by capitalism on Tuesday afternoons. And we build on and from those Tuesday afternoon acts of solidarity. 🙂

    • McFlock 12.1

      Not so sure about that, Bill. Either about your description of the problem or your proposed solution – it’d be nice if enough people did that, but I don’t see a significant number of people willingly opting out from capitalism en masse as a likely eventuality, even for one day a week.

      Sure, capitalism by its nature causes poverty and hardship. But state interventions aren’t capitalist interventions. So the state can put in a hard floor for poverty if it chooses to – benefits, etc.

      Currently it chooses not to.

      • Bill 12.1.1

        Didn’t mean to suggest that state intervention was capitalist. And yes, states have provided universal entitlements.

        I’m definitely up for Tuesday btw…until Wednesday. Then I might give it a go on Thursday too. (Some day you’ll all join up with us gainfully unemployed b’stards) 🙂

        • McFlock

          Tuesday and wednesdays are when this wage slave needs to earn filthy lucre for food, and wednesday is pub night, too 🙂

    • One Anonymous Bloke 12.2

      That doesn’t follow. Take the crude measure of 60% of median household income: are you saying that it’s impossible to structure a mixed economy (such as this one) to make sure no household falls below that level?

      Please note this is not a defence of Capitalism. It isn’t a defence of Liberalism. It isn’t a defence of the Labour Party, it is simply a question. Don’t read anything else into it other than that, and if in doubt, ask.

      • Bill 12.2.1

        I said that poverty can be ameliorated. I said it can’t be eliminated. It can’t be eliminated within capitalism because it’s relative, not absolute, and capitalism concentrates resources and wealth. A command economy could maybe deal to that issue. But I’d say the price paid for taking that route is far too high.

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          Whether it can be eliminated depends on how it’s defined, but I don’t think it’s helpful to define poverty as “any situation where there’s a wealth gradient”.

          Capitalism certainly concentrates resources and wealth, even in a mixed economy such as this one. We already redistribute to address that: a little more redistribution (via say, wages and/or taxation) that brings all households above 60% of the median income isn’t the same as putting a command economy in place.

    • And since capitalism operates by way of market mechanisms, then if we abolished the market, we’d be on the way.

      No because capitalism doesn’t actually operate by way of market mechanisms but by way of ownership.

      • David Mac 12.3.1

        Did you buy a Blockbuster Video franchise?

        Have you ever been engaged with capitalism Draco? I have, seems to work ok for me. I’ve been dirt poor many times. It’s always selling something that gets my nostrils up above the water-line again. Me and my lawnmower, or a necklace of semi precious stones made into 50 pendants.

        Have you got a date in mind with regard the government making everything fabulous in your life Draco? If it’s to be, you’re going to have to make it happen bro.

        • McFlock

          So capitalism works ok for you. The fact that it’s intergenration for some people suggests it doesn’t work ok for everyone.

          How do we eliminate poverty?

          • David Mac

            Yep, I look in the mirror and say ‘So blew all your money again huh? What’s the plan Clever?’

            I don’t think it’s a rude question to be asking of people living with poverty but It’s considered an evasion of privacy, none of our business, demeaning.

            If we’re having an honest discussion about the subject I think it’s something we need to visit: ‘Please tell us what steps you are currently taking to turn your family poverty situation around?’

            I say this because every time I’ve been broken arse, it’s my answer to that question that has guided me up and out. I acknowledge that not everyone can do as I do but I do feel that it is only when it is established what the poverty stricken family can do and are doing about their situation that a govt dept and community can best assist.

            Kiwis love helping people that are committed to and working towards positive outcomes.

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              Lucky for you that you have a resilient nature, and I suspect that isn’t the only role chance has played. Blaming poverty on poor people, and other forms of self-attribution bias fly in the face of the evidence.

            • McFlock

              In ascending level of importance:

              The thing is that we will never know via the internet why person A is in need – but we have no right to, because that’s how privacy works.

              While some enquiries to parse the exact circumstances might be genuine attempts to understand, even caseworkers in a face to face consultation might miss major causes of poverty that might be under the person’s control. Blog commenters will never know.

              But then there are other losses that aren’t under personal control – like getting your car wing mirror bust off by some fuckwit overnight and it’s motorised so it’s another $400 you need to fucking find before the next wof. Even if you can afford insurance you still need the excess – or the no claims bonus.

              And then there’s the entire thing about deserving vs underserving poor – all to often people parsing through a person’s life history come across as looking for excuses to not care.

              But the main reason is: what good does it do if we can assign blame? Maybe the person will never have the nous to sort their shit out. Do dropkicks not deserve to live in dignity? Must their descendents pay for their mistakes unto seven generations?

              I really don’t see how rationalising individual circumstances will solve a problem affecting 8% of our kids (by the soggy-foot measure of poverty)

        • Draco T Bastard

          And you still show no sign of understanding capitalism.

          It’s not trade that makes capitalism but ownership.

          Even Marx was still using a trading system. He just removed private ownership of the means of production.

          • David Mac

            Ha, I’m sure you’re right Draco, I can’t get it like you do, That’s why I like you.

            If I’m going to trade something: Rockets or jubes, for such a system to work, don’t I need to own that something?

          • David Mac

            You think that you should share in my jube profit Draco. I think your kids should via the schools my taxes build but if you want a slice of the confectionary avalanche you should be setting appointments with sweetie importers, like I did. W.W.

            • Draco T Bastard

              Ah, so you’ve become a ticket clipper and bludge off of the wealth created by others work.

              • David Mac

                Do your job interviews go well?

                Please tell me you lie, pretend to be someone you’re not. I’d love to interview you….

                “Well to be frank Mr Mac you represent everything I despise. I would rather have pygmies blow 1000 poisonous darts into my eyes than spend a nanosecond in your employ….how am I doing so far?”

  13. adam 13

    A topic about economics, may there be a lot more on the horizon.

  14. David Mac 14

    I’m screwing this off subject, sorry.

    I think many lose heart with helping others when those receiving assistance seem to have little stake in outcomes.

    This is leaning towards Farrar talk, yeah I get that.

    My view is well and good but it leads back to where McFlock is coming from ‘So what do we do about it?’

    Opportunity, it’s always about opportunity. The chance to be the people we know we are, some breaks, some leg-ups, nurturing of fledgling talent. Throwing money is a short term feel-good. Throwing opportunity is forever.

    • Sam 14.1

      That almost made me wana cri like a weeb. Mater a fact when ever I hear Farrar I cri.

      There is always an opportunity cost is there not? Waiting for the perfect conditions to begin never happens. Starting now creates the perfect conditions.

      • David Mac 14.1.1

        Opportunity cost is one way to see it. If we saw it as an opportunity investment we could reach broader when it comes to what stands between people and their aspirations.

        Yeah Sam, I’m a ‘So lets start bumbling through it tomorrow morning’ sort of guy too. Learn fast or die. It’s not for everyone.

        • McFlock

          If there’s a safety net, they can learn at their own pace.

          And society is better off because fewer trapeze artists die, so the world is full of swooping grace.

    • McFlock 14.2

      Throwing money is throwing opportunity:

      Free retraining.
      Enough money to live in dignity and remain included in society.
      Well fed, clothed and educated children
      good healthcare to aid social participation
      Keeping people as ready as possible for when the primary opportunity wanders along, nothing is stopping people from taking it.

      And what’s wrong with throwing money at people every week for 60 years, if it lets them do what they want? For every one who does drugs to escape, there will be dozens of creators.

    • Opportunity, it’s always about opportunity.

      And capitalism destroys opportunity by shifting wealth into fewer and fewer hands.

  15. Drowsy M. Kram 15

    Legislate for ‘trickle down’ with a targeted 1% wealth tax. At the start of each electoral cycle, redistribute 3% of the wealth of each top 10 percenter (no hiding – public register of assets?) evenly among the ‘bottom’ 30% of voters. Could ameliorate poverty (by most non-relative measures) overnight.

    Or set the wealth tax rate high enough to abolish poverty. Yes, the redistribution could be ‘gamed’ by a few, but NZ taxation is already gamed…

    • McFlock 15.1

      Fair enough.

      Legislative change, a wealth tax, possible public asset register, and cash for people who vote.

      Do you think it could be achieved in a concurrent fashion, or would it be more likely to occur if each step were pursued in sequence?

      • Drowsy M. Kram 15.1.1

        It’s just a math fantasy, for sure; I don’t understand economics. Prefer concurrent implementation for more immediate gratification, but that’s impractical.

        Likely need legislation to establish a reliable (non-gamed) asset register first; there were some comments about one (or more?) of the Nordic countries having such a register.

        Once the register was established (no idea how long that would take – need to look at precedents), maybe put forward the wealth tax and redistribution as policy for roughly concurrent implementation in the next term (if elected).

        Smacks of buying votes but think we’re already past that, even in little young NZ.

    • Anon 15.2

      Why voters? Is this arbitrary?

      • McFlock 15.2.1

        I assume the intention would be to get out the vote. even if it’s $20, it ain’t nothing to sniff at.

        • Anon

          I’m idealogically opposed to that, votes should be freely given not sold, even if the particular who to vote /for/ isn’t specified [edit]though I suppose ballot spoiling is an option[/edit]. Say what you will about people who don’t vote, it’s a valid choice in a democracy. I’m also opposed since it seems to have no relation to the core point – redistributing wealth for the purpose of reducing/eliminating poverty – other than to add an abitrary hoop (possibly in the hopes of increasing certain parties votes, given the demographic targeted).

  16. Cinny 16

    Kids come first, your kids, my kids, all the kids. Any poverty is not their fault.

    Free school uniform every three years and when they start high school and free stationary/school books for kids in the public school system please and thankyou.

    Food in schools/feed the kids please and thank you.

    I read about the house of horrors, the 13 kids that were shackled and starved. Turned out one of them went to public school for a bit, was labelled the smelly kid and bullied for always wearing the same clothes. Child was smelly because they were shackled to the bed and often slept in their own pee, they were not allowed to was their hands above the wrist, horrific. Easy to bully the outcast, nothing is as it seems, one can only imagine the hell that was not their fault and went on for well over a decade.

    Food in schools and free stationary/school uniforms for all who attend public schools please.

    At least kids could feel like that had a normal life during school hours, they wouldn’t get ridiculed for not having any lunch/shoes/proper school gear etc etc etc. No more detentions for wearing the wrong shorts because ones parents simply can’t afford the correct uniform. Inclusion please.

    • McFlock 16.1

      That’s a good list.

      I believe some local marae cook/ed school meals for kids in their areas – do you think some sort of grassroots organisations would demonstrate a real need and shame the government into biting the bullet?

      I vaguely recall it as a major issue a while back – did the nats promise food in schools for all kids already and I missed it?

      • Anon 16.1.1

        There was/is a town where the local bikie gang make sandwhiches for the local school, made national news but nothing much came of it. That was under a National govt though, perhaps a Labour govt would feel more shame?

        I also suspect you’d get libertarians declaring private charity’s already doing it so why should the state take over.

        • Sam

          Being politically nonchalant is already understood under John Keys in Christrchurch, Dunedin, Northland -just to name a few.

        • McFlock

          That might be what I was remembering – I’m damned sure I saw like a full catering kitchen on the tv news, though. I suppose that doesn’t preclude a gang – but of course in economically depressed areas demarcation between non-state organisations can be a bity messy, too. And it could be a labels game.

          Anyway, one would hope Labour has a bit more human feeling than the nats, but I was thining of another project I was once involved in where a community organisation funded it for several years to demonstrate a need, and then it had a bad year and fell over. But by that time, the organisation that should have been doing it in the first place had taken over most of the roles simply to get in before we published our data (Yes Minister: the information is largely out of date, and we’ve since addresed the major concerns anyway” sort of thing), so my organisation’s project could die a natural death.

          So they don’t necessarily need shame, just organisational nous beyond “tell so many lies nobody can keep up”.

      • Cinny 16.1.2

        If i remember correctly, when the nat’s voted down Hones feed the kids bill, the then opposition parties aka our new government voted for it. I really hope the new government picks it up again and makes it law.

        Would love to see schools growing and serving food at lunch time. I know around these parts there are plenty of growers that have excess produce not suitable for export but just fine for eating. Kids could get involved in preparing lunches, learning valuable food knowledge in the process.

        How awesome would it be for all the kids to find all their stationary sitting in a pack on their desk on the first day. Teachers would know that all the kids would have what they need to learn from day one.

        Miss Thirteen starts high school this week, it’s cost about $600 so far for her uniform, sports uniform and shoes (sports and everyday), books etc, she already has a laptop. It’s the little things, like a white bra to go under a white blouse that also bumps up the cost.

        In contrast, huge kudos to Miss Tens school, school books $20 and a new uniform top $25, they do their very best to keep costs down, they also do ‘breakfast club’, teachers start school early to make this happen and it brings the kids together.

    • Antoine 16.2

      I like Cinny’s list. Is there something in there about cheaper medical & dental care for kids as well. And getting the immunisations done.

      Also more funding for special needs kids and their families.

      And throw some money at early childhood hearing and speech problems as well, I think they are shockingly common in NZ (at all levels of society).


  17. eco maori 17

    Those vending machines in the UK are just another form of control of Common people by neo liberal. How well you got to a machine to get your daily rashions it you comply with the bent system rules and requests you get food. This does not seem like a problem except the system corrupt one request could be to make false statements of any kind to help the systems to break someone of some organisation fighting for human rights or the rights of OUR mokos to a healthy clean environment you get the picture.
    In a perfect Papatuanukue/world this would be excellent and so would DEMOCRACY.
    But OUR WORLD SOCIETY is far far away from being perfect.
    Ka kite ano

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    This is a long, possibly technical, but very, very important read. I encourage you to take the time and spread your awareness.IntroductionIn 2022, then Labour Party Prime Minister Jacinda Adern expended significant political capital to protect New Zealand’s water assets from privatisation. She lost that battle, and Labour and the ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 hours ago
  • Plugging a video channel: Dr Gilbz
    Dr. Ella Gilbert is a climate scientist and presenter with a PhD in Antarctic climate change, working at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS). Her background is in atmospheric sciences and she's especially interested in the physical mechanisms of climate change, clouds, and almost anything polar. She is passionate about communicating climate ...
    7 hours ago
  • Some “scrutiny” again
    Back in 2022, in its Open Government Partnership National Action Plan, the government promised to strengthen scrutiny of Official Information Act exemption clauses in legislation. Since then they've run a secret "consultation" on how to do that, with their preferred outcome being that agencies will consult the Ministry of Justice ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    11 hours ago
  • Crashing New Zealand's health system is not the way to prosperity, Prime Minister
    Another day, and yet another piece of bad news for New Zealand’s health system. Reports have come out that General Practitioners (GP) may have to close doors, or increase patient fees to survive. The so-called ‘capitation’ funding review, which supports GP practices to survive, is under way, and primary care ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    11 hours ago
  • Closer Than You Think: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.
    Redefining Our Terms: “When an angry majority is demanding change, defending the status-quo is an extremist position.”“WHAT’S THIS?”, asked Laurie, eyeing suspiciously the two glasses of red wine deposited in front of him.“A nice drop of red. I thought you’d be keen to celebrate the French Far-Right’s victory with the ...
    13 hours ago
  • Come on Darleen.
    Good morning all, time for a return to things domestic. After elections in the UK and France, Luxon gatecrashing Nato, and the attempted shooting of Trump, it’s probably about time we re-focus on local politics.Unless of course you’re Christopher Luxon and you’re so exhausted from all your schmoozing in Washington ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    16 hours ago
  • How the Northwest was lost and may be won
    This is a guest post by Darren Davis. It originally appeared on his excellent blog, Adventures in Transitland, which we encourage you to check out. It is shared by kind permission. The Northwest has always been Auckland’s public transport Cinderella, rarely invited to the public funding ball. How did ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    17 hours ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Tuesday July 16
    Luxon has told a Financial Times’ correspondent he would openly call out China’s spying in future and does not fear economic retaliation from Aotearoa’s largest trading partner.File Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Tuesday, ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    18 hours ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Tuesday, July 16
    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 16 are:PM Christopher Luxon has given a very hawkish interview to the Financial Times-$$$ correspondent in Washington, Demetri Sevastopulu, saying ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    19 hours ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Tuesday, July 16
    Photo by Ryunosuke Kikuno on UnsplashTL;DR: The top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 6:00 am are:BNZ released its Performance of Services Index for June, finding that services sector is at its lowest level of activity ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    19 hours ago
  • The second crisis; assumption was the mother
    Late on the night of July 16, 1984, while four National Cabinet Ministers were meeting in the Beehive office of Deputy Prime Minister Jim McLay, plotting the ultimate downfall of outgoing Prime Minister Sir Robert Muldoon, another crisis was building up in another part of the capital. The United States ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    22 hours ago
  • Can we air condition our way out of extreme heat?
    This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Air conditioning was initially a symbol of comfort and wealth, enjoyed by the wealthy in theaters and upscale homes. Over time, as technology advanced and costs decreased, air conditioning became more accessible to the general public. With global warming, though, ...
    1 day ago
  • Review: The Zimiamvian Trilogy, by E.R. Eddison (1935-1958)
    I have reviewed some fairly obscure stuff on this blog. Nineteenth century New Zealand speculative fiction. Forgotten Tolkien adaptations. George MacDonald and William Morris. Last month I took a look at The Worm Ouroboros (1922), by E.R. Eddison, which while not strictly obscure, is also not overly inviting to many ...
    1 day ago
  • Media Link: AVFA on the Trump assassination attempt.
    In this episode of “A View from Afar” Selwyn Manning and I discuss the attempt on Donald Trump’s life and its implications for the US elections. The political darkness grows. ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 day ago
  • Law & Order: National Party 1, Police 0, Public -1
    What happened?Media is reporting that police have lost in their pay dispute with the Coalition Government.Some of you might remember that the police rejected Labour’s previous offer in September, 2023, possibly looking forward to be taken care of by the self-touted ‘Party of Law and Order’ - National.If you look ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 day ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the Trump shooting and a potential hike in fees for visiting the doctor
    Having watched Donald Trump systematically exploit social grievances, urge people not to accept his election loss and incite his followers to violent insurrection… it is a bit hard to swallow the media descriptions over the past 24 hours of Trump being a “victim” of violence. More like a case of ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Monday July 15
    The exploitation of workers on the national fibre broadband rollout highlights once again the dark underbelly of our ‘churn and burn’ economy. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:An extraordinary Steve Kilgallon investigation into ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Monday, July 15
    Photo by Jessica Loaiza on UnsplashTL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last three days to 9:00 am on Monday, July 15 are:Investigation: Immigration NZ refused to prosecute an alleged exploiter despite a mountain of evidence - ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • City Centre Rebuild: How Soon Is Now?
    Patrick Reynolds is deputy chair of the City Centre Advisory Panel and a director of Greater Auckland There is ongoing angst about construction disruption in the city centre. And fair enough: it’s very tough, CRL and other construction has been going on for a very long time. Like the pandemic, ...
    Greater AucklandBy Patrick Reynolds
    2 days ago
  • Peril, dismay, resolution
    This afternoon we rolled into Budapest to bring to a close our ride across Europe. We did 144 km yesterday, severe heat messages coming in from the weather app as we bounced along unformed Hungarian back roads and a road strip strewn with fallen trees from an overnight tornado. Somewhere ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago
  • Bullet the Blue Sky
    In the locust windComes a rattle and humJacob wrestled the angelAnd the angel was overcomeYou plant a demon seedYou raise a flower of fireWe see them burnin' crossesSee the flames, higher and higherBullet the blue skyBullet the blue skyThe indelible images, the soundtrack of America. Guns, assassinations, where-were-you-when moments attached ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Monday, July 15
    TL;DR: The top six announcements, rulings, reports, surveys, statistics and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the three days to 6:00 am on Monday, July 23 are:University of Auckland researcher Ryan Greenaway-McGrevy published an analysis of the impact of Auckland's 2016 zoning reforms.BNZ's latest Performance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s diary for the week to July 23 and beyond
    TL;DR: The six key events to watch in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the week to July 23 include:PM Christopher Luxon has returned from a trip to the United States and may hold a post-Cabinet news conference at 4:00 pm today.The BusinessNZ-BNZ PSI survey results for June will be released this ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Was The Assassination Attempt Fake?
    Hi,It’s in incredible photo, and we’re going to be talking about it for a long time:Trump, triumphantly raising his hand in the air after being shot. Photo credit: Evan VucciYou can watch what happened on YouTube in real time, as a 20-year-old from Pennsylvania lets off a series of gunshots ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago
  • 40 years ago, inside the crisis that made modern NZ
    It had rained all day in Auckland, and the Metro Theatre in Mangere was steamed up inside as more and more people arrived to celebrate what had once seemed impossible. Sir Robert Muldoon had lost the 1984 election. “Piggy” Muldoon was no more. Such was the desire to get rid ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #28
    A listing of 34 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 7, 2024 thru Sat, July 13, 2024. Story of the week It's still early summer in the Northern Hemisphere. The season comes as our first year of 1.5°C warming ...
    2 days ago
  • Unsurprising, but Trump shooting creates opportunity for a surprising response
    I can’t say I’m shocked. As the US news networks offer rolling coverage dissecting the detail of today’s shooting at a Donald Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, and we hear eye-witnesses trying to make sense of their trauma, the most common word being used is shock. And shocking it is. ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    2 days ago
  • Escalation in the States as Trump is shot and his allies capitalize on the moment
    Snapshot summary of the shooting in the States belowAnd a time to remember what Abraham Lincoln once said of the United States of America:We find ourselves in the peaceful possession of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden for President
    I will do all that I can to see that President Biden is re-elected. Why? Despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump — a demagogue and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Questions from God
    Have you invited God into your online life? Do you have answers for his questions? Did I just assume God’s pronouns?Before this goes any further, or gets too blasphemous, a word of explanation. When I say “God”, I don’t meant your god(s), if you have one/them. The God I speak ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • The politics of money and influence
    Did you know: Four days ago, the CEO of Warner Bros Discovery (WBD), David Zaslav, opined that he didn’t really care who won the US Presidential election, so long as they were M&A and business friendly. Please share my Substack so I can continue my work. Thank you and happy ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Auckland & Transport Minister Simeon Brown's insanity
    Excuse me, but I just don’t feel like being polite today. What is going on with Simeon Brown? I mean, really? After spending valuable Ministerial time, focus, and government resources to overturn tailored speed limits in school and high fatality zones that *checks notes* reduces the risk of deaths and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Were scientists caught falsifying data in the hacked emails incident dubbed 'climategate'?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by John Mason in collaboration with members from the Gigafact team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Were scientists caught falsifying data in the ...
    3 days ago
  • What Happened to David D'Amato's Millions?
    Today’s podcast episode is for paying Webworm members — and is a conversation seven years in the making. Let me explain.Hi,As I hit “send” on this newsletter, I’m about to play my 2016 documentary Tickled to a theatre full of about 400 Webworm readers in Auckland, New Zealand.And with Tickled ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    3 days ago
  • Voting as a multi-order process of choice.
    Recent elections around the world got me to thinking about voting. At a broad level, voting involves processes and choices. Embedded in both are the logics that go into “sincere” versus “tactical” voting. “Sincere” voting is usually a matter of preferred … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    3 days ago
  • Women in Space.
    Count downThree twoI wonderIf I'll ever see you againI'm 'bout to take offI'm leaving youBut maybeI'll see you around somewhere some placeI just need some spaceA brief reminder that if you’re a Gold Card holder you can subscribe to Nick’s Kōrero for 20% off. You’re also welcome to use this ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • Bernard’s Saturday Soliloquy for the week to July 13
    Auckland waterfront, July. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 13 are:The National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government watered down vehicle emissions standards this week, compounding the climate emissions damage from an increasingly ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Dems need to ask the right question about Biden as his age now defines the campaign
    Midway through the news conference that many American political commentators had built up as critical to Joe Biden’s re-election chances, the US president said European leaders are not asking him not to run for a second term, “they’re saying you gotta win”.The problem for Biden and his advisors is that ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    4 days ago
  • Govt flounders while ocean temps soar
    TL;DR : Here’s the top six items of climate news for Aotearoa-NZ this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer, most of which they discussin the video above. According to experts, the rate of ocean surface warming around New Zealand is “outstripping the global ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Learning From Brexit
    Whether Britain leaving the European Union was right or wrong, good or bad is for the Brits to decide. But there are lessons about international trade to be learned from Brexit, especially as it is very unusual for an economy to break so completely from its major training partner.In Econ101 ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    4 days ago
  • Bernard’s Chorus for Friday, July 12
    TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so on the morning of Friday, July 12 are: Read more ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Hot Damn! It's The Soggy Bottom Boys!
    Good morning lovely people, and welcome to another weekly review. One which saw the our Prime Minister in Washington, running around with all the decorum of Augustus Gloop with a golden ticket, seeking photo opportunities with anyone willing to shake his hand.Image: G News.He had his technique down to overcome ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • When an independent expert / advisory group is anything but ..
    OPINION: Yesterday, 1News reported that the Government's "independent" advisory group had recommended Kiwirail offload its ferries to another entity.Except this wasn't entirely new news at all, besides that it came formally from Nicola Willis’s advisory team.TVNZ is under significant cost pressure, and earlier this year, after expressing strong discontent with ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Friday, July 12
    Photo by Alexander Schimmeck on UnsplashTL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 9:00 am on Friday, July 12 are:Scoop: Ministerial group advises KiwiRail no longer run Cook Strait ferries 1News’ Julia RodenNews: ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Weekly Roundup 12-July-2024
    Kia ora and welcome to another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! The week in Greater Auckland On Monday, Scott delivered a delicious disquisition on donut cities, ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 12
    Photo by Dominik Scythe on UnsplashTL;DR: The top six announcements, rulings, reports, surveys, statistics and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the day to 6:00 am on Friday, July 11 are:Climate: Transport Minister Simeon Brown said in a release the Government's plan to reverse New ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Hoon around the week to July 12
    TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers features co-hosts and talking with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent talking about the National-ACT-NZ First Government’s climate strategy ‘pamphlet’, its watering down of Clean Car Standards and its general lack of coherence;University of Otago Foreign Relations Professor ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Casey Costello strikes again
    Summary: A track record of deception is becoming evident in the Government’s Coalition alliance. Ministers across all parties have been found to either lie without contrite, and/or act unlawfully and unreasonably. The rails are coming off quicker than a marshmallow induced fantasy train ride as the conductors throw caution to ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #28 2024
    Open access notables Antarctic Bottom Water Warming, Freshening, and Contraction in the Eastern Bellingshausen Basin, Johnson et al., Geophysical Research Letters Cold winds blowing over polynyas (areas of ice-free water) on the Antarctic continental shelf create sea ice, forming very cold and somewhat salty, hence very dense, waters. These dense ...
    5 days ago
  • We're back! Join us for the weekly Hoon on YouTube Live
    Photo by Mathias Elle on UnsplashWe’re back after a three-week mid-winter break. I needed a rest, but back into it. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: National’s gas fantasy
    Yesterday the government released the advice on its proposal to repeal the offshore fossil gas exploration ban, including a Climate Implications of Policy Assessment statement, Cabinet paper, and Regulatory Impact Statement. I spent some time looking at these last night, and the short version is that the government's plan is ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A criminal minister
    RNZ reports that cancer minister Casey Costello has been reprimanded and forced to apologise by the Ombudsman for acting "contrary to law" in her handling of an OIA request: Associate Health Minister Casey Costello has been severely reprimanded by the Chief Ombudsman and forced to apologise for trying to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on Luxon in the NATO pressure cooker
    New Zealand is one of six countries invited as onlookers to this week’s NATO summit in Washington. As such, PM Christopher Luxon will be made aware of the pressure on the 32 NATO member states (a) to increase their Defence spending (b) to become less militarily dependent on the US ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    6 days ago
  • Bernard’s Dawn Chorus for Thursday July 11
    TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so on the morning of July 11 are:Climate: Climate Change Minister Simon Watts issued the National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government’s climate strategy yesterday, including a three-page document with five bullet ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • By George! Splendid streets take shape down south
    The revitalisation of Auckland city centre, especially around Wynyard Quarter, Te Komititanga, and Queen Street, is top of mind for Greater Auckland readers – but other cities around Aotearoa New Zealandare installing people-friendly streets. This guest post by Jessica de Heij, who grew up in the Netherlands and is an ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    6 days ago
  • Bernard's Pick 'n' Mix for Thursday, July 11
    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:30 am on July 11 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister acted 'contrary to law’. Casey Costello has been severely reprimanded by the Chief Ombudsman and forced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Thursday, July 11
    TL;DR: The top six announcements, rulings, reports, surveys, statistics and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the day to 6:00 am on Thursday, July 11 are:Economy: Te Pūtea Matua The Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) announced its Monetary Policy Committee decided to hold the ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • Farmers’ revenge meets Green resistance
    If there was one issue that united farmers in opposition to the Labour Government, it was the battle of the waterways between farmers and Environment Minister David Parker. Parker won the first round with his 2020 National Policy Standard on Freshwater Management (NPSFM) which imposed tough new standards on waterways ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • Personal Reflections: 10th July
    Please note: This is a personal reflection and does not refer to politics. These entries are not sent to subscribers.Text within this block will maintain its original spacing when publishedHubris and Pride Out of the fire and into the frying pan? Swimming with the big sharks Tonight, I am excited. ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • Oh Vienna
    Nothing can warm your heart like the sight of your daughter stepping off a train. Mary-Margaret arrived on Saturday to ride with us to Vienna.You know your way around a bike? the guy at the hire shop asks her. Yep. She’s ridden them on rail trails, Auckland’s mean streets, commutes ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Geoffrey Miller: New Zealand forges deeper ties with NATO
    Christopher Luxon is finding his foreign policy feet. Now eight months into the job, New Zealand’s Prime Minister is in Washington DC this week to attend the NATO summit. It is the third year in a row that Wellington has been invited to the annual gathering of the North Atlantic ...
    Democracy ProjectBy Geoffrey Miller
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: National’s carbon capture fantasy
    As the climate crisis has grown worse, the tactics of the polluting industries have shifted. From denying climate change, they then moved on to pushing "carbon capture" - dumping their emissions underground rather than in the atmosphere. It's a PR scam, intended to prolong the life of the industry we ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Harsh Truths.
    The Way We Were: An indelible mark was left upon a whole generation of New Zealanders by the Great Depression and World War II; an impression that not only permitted men and women of all classes and races to perceive the need to work together for the common good, but also ...
    6 days ago
  • Explainer: Simeon Brown's CCUS Announcement
    Sources for the data and research:Peter Milne: Time’s up on Gorgon’s five years of carbon storage failureSimon Holmes a Court: "Does best CCS power station in world provide model for Australia?" Chris Vanderstock: "The truth about Carbon Capture and Storage"   "Sunk Costs": documenting CCS's failure to meet every, single, target, ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    7 days ago
  • The Kiwirail Interislander saga continues
    This morning, 1 News is reporting that the cancellation of the i-Rex ferries has so far cost taxpayers $484 million.That's almost half a billion dollars. That could probably fund thousands of new doctors, maybe complete a few hospital rebuilds, or how about money for our experienced police so they don’t ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    7 days ago
  • Bernard’s Chorus for Wednesday, July 10
    As foreshadowed in legislation passed quietly under urgency just before Christmas, the Transport Minister has personally watered down standards for car imports in a way expected to add millions of tonnes to our climate emissions Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago
  • Christopher Luxon's business acumen
    It’s April, and the relatively new Prime Minister of New Zealand is on his first overseas mission to South East Asia.Christopher Luxon walks into the room. A warm smile on his face. A hand extended to his counterpart.“We are open for business,” he says confidently. “New Zealand is under new ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    7 days ago
  • Meet New Zealand's Russell Brand?
    Hi,There is an all too common story within the guru community, and we see it play out again and again. The end is nearly always the same — a trail of victims and confusion left in the guru’s wake.As seen in the recent case of Russell Brand, the guru simply ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    7 days ago
  • Why is the Government flooring it on unsafe speeds?
    Feedback closes midnight Thursday 11 July, on the draft speed-setting rule. See our previous post on the subject for details, and guidance on having your say. Among other things, it proposes to raise speeds in cities back up to a universal 50km/h (with no option of 30km/h), and will restrict safe ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    7 days ago
  • American Boy
    Take me on a trip, I'd like to go some dayTake me to New York, I'd love to see LAI really want to come kick it with youYou'll be my American boy…Love letters straight from the heart. Hmm, I think that’s a different tune, but that’s where we’ll begin. With ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago
  • Bernard's Pick 'n' Mix for Wednesday, July 10
    Photo by Jannis Brandt on UnsplashTL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am are:Investigation: Benefitting from the misery of others. Over 40% of emergency housing funding went to a concentrated group ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Wednesday, July 10
    Photo by Mr Cup / Fabien Barral on UnsplashTL;DR: The top six announcements, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the day to 6:30 am on Wednesday, July 10 are:Climate: Minister for Transport Simeon Brown announced changes to the Clean Car Importer Standard that ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago
  • How rural families are saving thousands with electric vehicles
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Daisy Simmons (Photo credit: Automotive Rhythms / CC BY-NC 2.0) Some people thought Juliana Dockery and her husband Sean were being impractical when they bought an electric vehicle in 2022. Why? Like one in five Americans, they live in a rural area ...
    7 days ago
  • Love to complete it all
    Photo credit: Rob DickinsonThis is my wish for you: Comfort on difficult days, smiles when sadness intrudes, rainbows to follow the clouds, laughter to kiss your lips, sunsets to warm your heart, hugs when spirits sag, beauty for your eyes to see, friendships to brighten your being, faith so that ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: What’s left of the Emissions Reduction Plan?
    In 2019, Parliament, in a supposed bipartisan consensus, passed the Zero Carbon Act. The Act established long-term emissions reduction targets, and a cycle of five-yearly budgets and emissions reduction plans to meet them, with monitoring by the independent Climate Change Commission. In theory this was meant to ensure that the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • Experts to advise Minister on Oranga Tamariki
    The Oranga Tamariki Ministerial Advisory Board has been re-established by the Minister for Children, Karen Chhour. “I look forward to working with the new board to continue to ensure Oranga Tamariki and the care and protection system, are entirely child centric,” Minister Chhour says. “The board will provide independent advice ...
    9 hours ago
  • Expectations set for improved medicines access
    Associate Health Minister David Seymour says he has set clear expectations for Pharmac around delivering the medicines and medical technology that Kiwis need.  “For many New Zealanders, funding for pharmaceuticals is life or death, or the difference between a life of pain and suffering or living freely. New cancer medicines ...
    9 hours ago
  • Regional Development Minister to host summits
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones will hold a series of nationwide summits to discuss regional priorities, aspirations and opportunities, with the first kicking off in Nelson on August 12. The 15 summits will facilitate conversations about progressing regional economic growth and opportunities to drive productivity, prosperity and resilience through the ...
    15 hours ago
  • Government delivers new school for Rolleston
    The Coalition Government is addressing growing demands on Canterbury’s school network, by delivering a new primary school in Rolleston, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. Within Budget 24’s $400 million investment into school property growth, construction will begin on a new primary school (years 1-8) in Selwyn, Canterbury.  Rolleston South Primary ...
    16 hours ago
  • New speed camera signs to improve safety
    The Government is welcoming the rollout of new speed camera signs for fixed speed cameras to encourage drivers to check their speeds, improving road safety and avoiding costly speeding tickets, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Providing Kiwis with an opportunity to check their speed and slow down in high crash areas ...
    16 hours ago
  • NZ, Korea strengthen relationship
    New Zealand and the Republic of Korea continue to strengthen their relationship, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “New Zealand and Korea have a long history – from New Zealand soldiers fighting in the Korean War, through to our strong cooperation today as partners supporting the international rules-based order.    ...
    1 day ago
  • Investing for future growth in tourism and hospitality
    The Government is moving forward with recommendations from the Tourism Data Leadership Group, beginning with establishing a Tourism Data Partnership Fund says Tourism and Hospitality Minister Matt Doocey. “The Tourism Data Partnership Fund is funded through the International Visitor Conservation and Tourism Levy (IVL) and will provide up to $400,000 ...
    2 days ago
  • Trade Minister to attend G7 meeting in Italy
    Trade Minister Todd McClay will attend the Group of Seven (G7) Trade Ministers meeting in Reggio Calabria, Italy next week. This is the first time New Zealand has been invited to join the event, which will be attended by some of the world’s largest economies and many of New Zealand’s ...
    2 days ago
  • Ministers reveal consequences for unruly Kāinga Ora tenants
    Ministers are pleased to see Kāinga Ora taking a stronger approach to managing unruly, threatening or abusive tenants, Housing Minister Chris Bishop and Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka say.    “For far too long, a small number of Kāinga Ora tenants have ridden roughshod over their neighbours because, under Kāinga ...
    3 days ago
  • Prime Minister wraps up US visit in California
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has finished a successful four-day visit to the United States with meetings in California on his final day focusing on innovation and investment.  “It has been fantastic to be in San Francisco today seeing first-hand the deepening links between New Zealand and California. “New Zealand company, EV Maritime, ...
    4 days ago
  • Prime Minister leads Indo-Pacific Four at NATO
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today chaired a meeting of the Indo-Pacific Four (IP4) countries – Australia, Japan, the Republic of Korea and New Zealand. The IP4 met in the context of NATO’s Summit in Washington DC hosted by President Biden. “Prosperity is only possible with security,” Mr Luxon says. “We need ...
    4 days ago
  • District Court judges appointed
    Attorney-General Hon Judith Collins today announced the appointment of three new District Court Judges.   The appointees, who will take up their roles in July and August at the Manukau, Rotorua and Invercargill courts, are:   Matthew Nathan Judge Nathan was admitted to bar in New Zealand in 2021, having previously been ...
    4 days ago
  • Urgent review into Wairoa flood response begins
    Environment Minister, Penny Simmonds today announced the terms of reference for a rapid review into the Wairoa flood response. “The Wairoa community has raised significant concerns about the management of the Wairoa River bar and the impact this had on flooding of properties in the district,” says Ms Simmonds. “The Government ...
    5 days ago
  • NZDF’s Red Sea deployment extended
    New Zealand has extended its contribution to the US-led coalition working to uphold maritime security in the Red Sea, Defence Minister Judith Collins and Foreign Minister Winston Peters announced today. “The decision to extend this deployment is reflective of the continued need to partner and act in line with New ...
    5 days ago
  • Government provides support to tackle tax debt and compliance
    New compliance funding in Budget 2024 will ensure Inland Revenue is better equipped to catch individuals who are evading their tax obligations, Revenue Minister Simon Watts says. “New Zealand’s tax debt had risen to almost $7.4 billion by the end of May, an increase of more than 50 per cent since 2022. ...
    5 days ago
  • Taking action to reduce road cones
    The Coalition Government is taking action to reduce expenditure on road cones and temporary traffic management (TTM) while maintaining the safety of workers and road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  Rolling out a new risk-based approach to TTM that will reduce the number of road cones on our roads.  ...
    5 days ago
  • Celebrating 100 years of progress
    Te Arawa Lakes Trust centenary celebrations mark a significant milestone for all the important work done for the lakes, the iwi and for the Bay of Plenty region, says Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti and Māori Development Minister Tama Potaka. The minister spoke at a commemorative event acknowledging 100 years ...
    5 days ago
  • Foreign Minister to travel to Korea and Japan
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to the Republic of Korea and Japan next week.    “New Zealand enjoys warm and enduring relationships with both Korea and Japan. Our relationships with these crucial partners is important for New Zealand’s ongoing prosperity and security,” says Mr Peters.    While in the ...
    5 days ago
  • Huge opportunity for educators and students as charter school applications open
    Associate Education Minister David Seymour says today is another important step towards establishing charter schools, with the application process officially opening.  “There has already been significant interest from groups and individuals interested in opening new charter schools or converting existing state schools to charter schools,” says Mr Seymour. “There is ...
    6 days ago
  • Decreasing gas reserves data highlights need to reverse oil and gas exploration ban
    MBIE’s annual Petroleum Reserves report detailing a 20 per cent reduction in New Zealand’s natural gas reserves shows the need to reverse the oil and gas exploration ban, Energy Minister Simeon Brown says.“Figures released by MBIE show that there has been a 20 per cent reduction in New Zealand’s natural ...
    6 days ago
  • Providers of military assistance to Russia targeted in new sanctions
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced further sanctions as part of the Government’s ongoing response to Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine.    “Russia’s continued illegal war of aggression against Ukraine is a direct and shocking assault on the rules-based order. Our latest round of sanctions targets Russians involved in that ...
    6 days ago
  • OECD report shows New Zealand is a red tape state
    Minister for Regulation David Seymour says that the OECD Product Market Regulation Indicators (PMRI) released this morning shows why New Zealanders sorely need regulatory reform. “This shocker result should end any and all doubt that the Government must go to war on red tape and regulation,” says Mr Seymour.  “The ...
    6 days ago
  • Government unveils five-point climate strategy
    The coalition Government is proud to announce the launch of its Climate Strategy, a comprehensive and ambitious plan aimed at reducing the impacts of climate change and preparing for its future effects, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “The Strategy is built on five core pillars and underscores the Government’s ...
    6 days ago
  • National Bowel Screening Programme reaches 2 million life-saving screening kits
    The National Bowel Screening Programme has reached a significant milestone, with two million home bowel screening kits distributed across the country, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today.   “This programme, which began in 2017, has detected 2,495 cancers as of June 2024. A third of these were at an early ...
    7 days ago
  • Granny flats popular with all ages
    More than 1,300 people have submitted on the recent proposal to make it easier to build granny flats, RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk say. “The strong response shows how popular the proposal is and how hungry the public is for common sense changes to make ...
    7 days ago
  • $25 million boost for conservation
    Toitū te taiao – our environment endures!  New Zealanders will get to enjoy more of our country’s natural beauty including at Cathedral Cove – Mautohe thanks to a $25 million boost for conservation, Conservation Minister Tama Potaka announced today.  “Te taiao (our environment) is critical for the country’s present and ...
    7 days ago
  • New Zealand increases support for Ukraine
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have announced a further $16 million of support for Ukraine, as it defends itself against Russia’s illegal invasion. The announcement of further support for Ukraine comes as Prime Minister Luxon attends the NATO Leaders’ Summit in Washington DC. “New Zealand will provide an additional ...
    7 days ago
  • Country Kindy to remain open
    Associate Education Minister David Seymour says that Country Kindy in Manawatu will be able to remain open, after being granted a stay from the Ministry of Education for 12 weeks. “When I heard of the decision made last week to shut down Country Kindy I was immediately concerned and asked ...
    1 week ago
  • Government lifts Indonesian trade cooperation
    New export arrangements signed today by New Zealand and Indonesia will boost two-way trade, Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay and Dr Sahat Manaor Panggabean, Chairman of the Indonesia Quarantine Authority (IQA), signed an updated cooperation arrangement between New Zealand and Indonesia in Auckland today. “The cooperation arrangement paves the way for New Zealand and Indonesia to boost our $3 billion two-way trade and further ...
    1 week ago
  • Carbon capture framework to reduce emissions
    A Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage (CCUS) framework has been released by the Coalition Government for consultation, providing an opportunity for industry to reduce net CO2 emissions from gas use and production, Energy Minister Simeon Brown says. “Our Government is committed to reducing red tape and removing barriers to drive investment ...
    1 week ago
  • Faster consenting with remote inspections
    The Government is progressing a requirement for building consent authorities to use remote inspections as the default approach so building a home is easier and cheaper, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Building anything in New Zealand is too expensive and takes too long. Building costs have increased by ...
    1 week ago
  • Revision programme presented to Parliament
    A new revision programme enabling the Government to continue the progressive revision of Acts in New Zealand has been presented to Parliament, Attorney-General Judith Collins announced today. “Revision targets our older and outdated or much-amended Acts to make them more accessible and readable without changing their substance,” Ms Collins says. ...
    1 week ago
  • Government aligns Clean Car Importer Standard with Australia to reduce vehicle prices for Kiwis
    The Government will be aligning the Clean Car Importer Standard with Australia in order to provide the vehicle import market with certainty and ease cost of living pressures on Kiwis the next time they need to purchase a vehicle, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“The Government supports the Clean Car Importer ...
    1 week ago
  • NZQA Board appointments
    Education Minister Erica Stanford has today announced three appointments to the New Zealand Qualifications Authority (NZQA). Kevin Jenkins has been appointed as the new Chair of the NZQA Board while Bill Moran MNZM has been appointed as the Deputy Chair, replacing Pania Gray who remains on the Board as a ...
    1 week ago
  • More support for Wairoa clean-up
    A further $3 million of funding to Wairoa will allow Wairoa District Council to get on with cleaning up household waste and sediment left by last week’s flooding, Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell says.  In Budget 24 the Government provided $10 million to the Hawke’s Bay Region to ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister thanks outgoing Secretary for Education
    Education Minister Erica Stanford has today thanked the outgoing Secretary for Education. Iona Holsted was appointed in 2016 and has spent eight years in the role after being reappointed in May 2021. Her term comes to an end later this year.  “I acknowledge Iona’s distinguished public service to New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister concludes local government review
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has concluded the Future for Local Government Review and confirmed that the Coalition Government will not be responding to the review’s recommendations.“The previous government initiated the review because its Three Waters and resource management reforms would have stripped local government of responsibility for water assets ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Consultation begins on new cancer medicines
    Associate Health Minister for Pharmac David Seymour says today’s announcement that Pharmac is opening consultation on new cancer medicines is great news for Kiwi cancer patients and their families. “As a result of the coalition Government’s $604 million funding boost, consultation is able to start today for the first two ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 50 years on, Niue and NZ look to the future
    A half-century after pursuing self-government, Niue can count on New Zealand’s steadfast partnership and support, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand and Niue share a unique bond, forged over 50 years of free association,” Mr Peters says. “We are looking forward to working together to continue advancing Niue’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Upgrading system resulting in faster passport processing
    Acting Internal Affairs Minister David Seymour says wait times for passports are reducing, as the Department of Internal Affairs (the Department) reports the highest ever monthly figure for digital uptake in passport applications.  “As of Friday 5 July, the passport application queue has reduced by 34.4 per cent - a ...
    2 weeks ago

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