Rupert Murdoch on Charlie Hebdo

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As a white bipedal male I wish to apologise for Rupert Murdoch being such a dick head. Maybe most of us are peaceful but until we recognise and destroy growing levels of stupidity within our ranks we must be held responsible.

123 comments on “Rupert Murdoch on Charlie Hebdo ”

  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

    Hate-speech manufacturer with vile business practices turns out to be vile in person. Rocket-science, innit.

  2. The Fairy Godmother 2

    As a white Christian I wish to apologize for the Christian missionaries who blundered into other cultures and gave them western values including prejudice against homosexuals

  3. So, he would agree then:

    All US military personal should be held accountable for the actions of those at Abu Grab?

    All men should be responsible for rapists.

    Oh, and while we’re at it, how about all newspaper owners take responsibility for their staff who hack the accounts of dead children.

    • saveNZ 3.1

      Great Points!

    • AmaKiwi 3.2

      The irony is Murdoch’s line is precisely the same as the murderer’s who say, “Western petrol multinationals and the armies of the governments they bribe are the cause of the deaths and impoverishment of hundreds of thousands of Muslims. Therefore we can kill citizens of any of these governments.”

      If you are going to measure the pain and suffering, theirs is much greater than ours.

  4. ghostwhowalksnz 4

    “They must be held responsible”?

    So you are worried about the 1%- quick look over there

  5. Lucy 5

    So as a white Australian he is responsible for the attempted genocide of Australia’s first nations people?

  6. Colonial Rawshark 6

    Glenn Greenwald: very easy to defend free speech denigrating Muslims when you don’t like Islam

    Glenn Greenwald makes a distinction between defending free speech and defending the content of that speech. To him, the value of free speech is only realised when you are willing defend the expression of things that you do not like.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/

    On another note, I don’t see Murdoch criticising his wealthy friends in the USA for funneling billions of dollars and advanced armaments to the pro-Salafi, pro-Wahabi, pro-Takfiri aristocracy of Saudi Arabia.

    • Bill 6.1

      Revealing that no cartoonist felt able to draw up cartoons that mocked Judaism, or iconic Jewish figures for Gleenwalds piece, out of fear for their future career.

  7. RedLogix 7

    So if Murdoch had said, “Most Americans are peaceful, but until but until they recognize and destroy their growing militarist cancer they must be held responsible.” – would we be cheering him on?

    • weka 7.1

      USians have the chance to take part in the democracy they live in, so in that sense yes, they could work towards changing foreign policy and how the US military gets employed. Being responsible doesn’t mean blame or absolute control.

      Muslims come from a diverse range of cultures and nations across the globe, so the comparison doesn’t really work. Likewise, they have no control over extremists, it’s not like they vote them out at the next election or join a lobby group to have them change their ways.

      I think some of the comparisons in this thread are off, and missing the point. Redfed’s was on, because he took a group of people (white men) and demonstrated that they have little direct power in relationship to Murdoch. If he’d said he was a white male owner of media globally, or part of the 1% etc, then it might be different. Of course the great irony is that Murdoch himself has responsibilities that he’s denying.

      I think these distinctions are important, and it’s useful to get us talking about responsibility and what it is.

      • Colonial Rawshark 7.1.1

        Worth noting the global 1%, let’s say those on $100K pa, or who have a million dollars worth of net assets, are just pitiful middle class ants to people like Murdoch, who is a member of the global 0.0001% (one of the richest 10,000 capitalists in the world, alongside the Gates, Thiels and Bezos of this world).

      • RedLogix 7.1.2

        Muslims come from a diverse range of cultures and nations across the globe, so the comparison doesn’t really work.

        Yes I can see that there is a difference between the cases – in one instance we have the worlds most powerful nation and government, in the other we are talking about a cultural phenomenon that encompasses people living everywhere in the world.

        So in one sense I agree – it is unreasonable to demand Muslims everywhere to exercise a non-existent ‘vote’ to change jihadism.

        And it’s perfectly true that the vast majority of ordinary Americans have almost zero influence in the policies of their government. Democracy in the USA is dead. It really is unreasonable to hold them personally accountable for the direct actions of their government.

        But the one thing ordinary Americans and Muslims DO have control over is what they tolerate in their communities. If all the peaceful Americans actually stood up and demanded an end to their governments militarism and imperial adventuring – it would stop. But by their silence or acquiescence ordinary Americans become complicit in enjoying the material advantages of empire – without ever acknowledging or confronting personally its cost.

        So what of ordinary Muslims? There are voices in that community who are appalled and not a little terrified of where the jihadist madness will take them. But if every peaceful Muslim was to stand up and demand an end to it tommorrow – it would.

        • weka 7.1.2.1

          “It really is unreasonable to hold them personally accountable too.”

          I wonder if words like responsibility are being used differently here. When I talk about USians having responsibility, I mean that they can act to effect change and have an onus to do so (which is what I think you might be saying too). The fact that their democracy is being eroded makes that more true not less.

          I think if you want to make the argument that Muslims need to take responsibility too, then it’s better to be specifc. Talk about the Muslim communities in Sydney, or Paris. And then talk about what those communities are doing about terrorism. I’m willing to be that they are actually doing quite a lot.

          “But if every peaceful Muslim was to stand up and demand an end to it tommorrow – it would.”

          I don’t believe that. First, because you are still using the global term, you can’t account for all the situations where Muslims are unable to stand up due to fear of their lives, or the fact that they’re not allowed on the street without their husband or father, or they’re living in situations where the West’s problems with terrorism aren’t even on the radar. See the problem with the global generalisation?

          Second, I don’t believe that you can stop extremists with weapons without being willing to die or be hurt or watch your loved ones die or be hurt. Are you really suggesting that it’s ok for the West to ask Muslims globally to do this? (this is a completely different situation than the people in the US find themselves in, although African and Native Americans might beg to differ).

          • RedLogix 7.1.2.1.1

            I’m willing to be that they are actually doing quite a lot.

            As indeed it’s not hard to find anti-war USians.

            I don’t believe that.

            When I wrote that I had my doubts as well – for much the reasons you describe.

            I agree that many ordinary Muslims are in an appallingly risky situation if they want to agitate for social change – yet the average Westerner is not really much better off. Any significant or meaningful attempt at peaceful anti-war protest is bound to come at real personal cost. Certainly your job, home and family will be at risk.

            Yes in general there is a difference in the nature of the threat between the two communities here – but it’s a threat that is real and present nonetheless.

            • weka 7.1.2.1.1.1

              Not sure where you are going with all that to be honest. And it seems a waste of time to be arguing over the relative difficulties people in various places face in addressing violence, given this whole conversation is about whether Muslims globally are in a position to stop Islamic terrorists.

              • RedLogix

                Most people here would accept that men have a collective responsibility to address male violence – even when they are not personally in a position to do much directly about it.

                Most people here would accept that the American people have a collective responsibility for being complicit in enjoying the advantages of empire – even when they are not personally in a position to do much directly about it.

                Yet somehow ordinary Muslims are – just helpless.

                • weka

                  1. apply power analysis to those three groupings.

                  2. No-one has said Muslims are helpless (not sure what you mean by ordinary). That’s a redherring you’ve just brought in. Unhelpful framing IMO.

                  3. I’m not going to argue anything while the whole Muslims as one global amorphous mass thing is still on the table. I’ve put up my reasons why I think it’s invalid, and you haven’t refuted them.

                  • RedLogix

                    1. I did. I clearly pointed out the relative lack of direct personal power over the specific issue involved.

                    As an individual male I have almost zero direct influence over male violence. If I hear yelling and banging in the next unit I will – and have done so recently – act. Beyond that I’m helpless.

                    As an individual American citizen attempting to directly confront the US imperial war machine is even more hopeless.

                    As an individual Muslim confronting jihadism – well if a family member looks like taking an unplanned trip or otherwise becoming radicalised – I can intervene maybe.

                    But in all three cases – if an entire community of peaceful individuals stands up – a different outcome is possible. The power balance changes.

                    2. given this whole conversation is about whether Muslims globally are in a position to stop Islamic terrorists.

                    Did I read that incorrectly? I assumed you were arguing they were not – maybe you do think they are in a position to stop global terrorism. If so that rather confuses me.

                    3. Because jihadists do not arise in a vacuum. They spring from a global community. Tens of thousands of fighters have poured into Iraq to fight for ISIS from all over the world.

                    • weka

                      1. “I clearly pointed out the relative lack of direct personal power over the specific issue involved.”

                      That’s not what I meant, as I am sure you know.

                      2. Murdoch argues Muslims are globally responsible, I argue they’re not. The whole conversation is based on the idea of Muslims as a global force.

                      3 “Because jihadists do not arise in a vacuum. They spring from a global community. Tens of thousands of fighters have poured into Iraq to fight for ISIS from all over the world.”

                      That doesn’t really have relate to what we are talking about though. If you want to make the case for how Muslims are a global culture with global responsibilities, please do so. I’d also like to see the argument for them being a kind of hive mind where Muslims from different countries or different branches of Islam have the same ideas and responsibilities re terrorism.

                    • RedLogix

                      1. That’s not what I meant, as I am sure you know.

                      Well obviously not. Now would be a great moment to explain.

                      2. Islam is present in most countries of the world. Makes it pretty damned global to me.

                      What is more the stated goal of ISIS (however fanciful we imagine it to be) is to establish a global Caliphate and impose sharia law everywhere.

                      3. Muslims are no more a hive mind than any other group, yet by the very act of belonging (or choosing to remain in) that group they nonetheless assume some responsibility for the choices of that group.

                      If for instance I worked for a company – where the directors announced some policy I was ethically challenged by – I would have the choice of resigning or remaining and being held accountable for my choice. Would I not?

                      Real life for instance. While we were moving to Australia I was offered a brilliant job – had my name written all over it – and it paid fabulously. In the coal industry.

                      Turned it down. If I hadn’t what could have I said about global warming ever again?

                      PS: Yes I am aware that I had the personal luxury of the option to turn it down. But nonetheless the pay and conditions were way better than my present role.

                    • weka

                      Please explain how Muslims are a ‘group’ globally (as opposed to being a whole range of groups that vary hugely). Or explain how Muslims globally are a group like a nation is, or a workplace is.

                      And then explain how a 15 yr old girl in a Taliban controlled part of Afghanistan can resign from being a Muslim.

                      I think you also just argued that Muslims can end terrorism by stopping being Muslims. I’m not even going to comment on that.

                    • RedLogix

                      1. Because Islam is indeed a far more unified religion that Christianity. At one time I was told that you could count more than 2000 distinct sects of Christianity – spanning a wide range of interpretations.

                      The important point is that while there are many shades of interpretation within Islam, from medieval fundamentalism, to the rather metaphysical and abstract – they do all point to a very common community understanding. They themselves will clearly identify Islam as a single religion and a coherent global community – regardless of their national and cultural identities.

                      Perhaps it’s valid to compare Islam with Catholicism in this respect – both widely distributed globally, with many diverse communities – but nonetheless very clearly united by the Vatican.

                      2. That is why we do not hold children responsible for the actions of their elders.

                      3. Yet if I HAD taken that job and was faffing on at length about the evils of fossil fuels – and THEN announced I was working for a coal mine – what is the word you would use to cover that off?

                    • And then explain how a 15 yr old girl in a Taliban controlled part of Afghanistan can resign from being a Muslim.

                      Or a 15-year-old raised as a Muslim in any Muslim-dominated country, for that matter. That’s one reason it’s a totalitarian ideology that deserves no respect whatsoever.

                    • weka

                      1a. What’s the overarching organisation of Islam that means that Muslims can act from a unified whole?

                      1b. How do poor rural Catholics in South America have a say in what the Vatican does?

                      1c. How would poor rural Catholics in SA rejecting Catholicism change what the Vatican does?

                      1d. Citation needed for the Muslim world not being extremely diverse. Think culture and nationality if you can’t manage it religiously (although I’m pretty sure it’s religious too).

                      2. deliberately avoiding the point. Pick an age that means you can answer it directly.

                      3. your comparison is at best specious, at worst willfully ignorant. Not willing to argue over it.

                    • @ red logix..

                      :..Because Islam is indeed a far more unified religion that Christianity..”

                      that one was too much of a screamer to just let it slide by..

                      ..heard of the iran/iraq war..?..a.k.a…the great sunni/shia war..?

                      ..u do know that the reason baghdad/iraq is riven by sectarian conflict..is because the americans favoured one group over the other..

                      ..i mean..seriously..!

                      ..both religions are riven with histories of different sects doing terrible things to each other..

                    • RedLogix

                      @ pu

                      heard of the iran/iraq war..?..a.k.a…the great sunni/shia war..?

                      Yes – any single concise blog comment will always omit an aspect to be screamed at.

                      Historically the division between Sunni and Shi’ite stems right back to the question of who was the legitimate successor to Mohammed – a mistake that was made literally at the moments He was on his death-bed.

                      The actual details of the events are a fascinating story of confusion and human frailty. A quick look here outlines some of the story:

                      “Why has there been such a long and protracted disagreement and tension between these two sects?” asks Ray Takeyh, author of Hidden Iran: Paradox and Power in the Islamic Republic. “It has to do with political power.”

                      http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2007/02/12/7332087/the-origins-of-the-shiite-sunni-split

                      It’s been explained to me that it’s way less of a religious division (the two groups basically agree on very similar theologies) and more of a political, cultural one.

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      With the Wahabi/Salafi extremist end of Sunni Islam gaining massive traction and funding during the 20th century thanks to the USA and other western support for Saudi Arabia and other dictatorial Middle Eastern regimes.

    • Ad 7.2

      President Eisenhower would be.

      • Colonial Rawshark 7.2.1

        Only at the end, when he realised what a monster was being established. Carter too. But again, only at the end.

    • So if Murdoch had said, “Most Americans are peaceful, but until but until they recognize and destroy their growing militarist cancer they must be held responsible.” – would we be cheering him on?

      Well, I wouldn’t, but I suspect a significant proportion of the Standard’s readers would.

      Murdoch is a well-known shithead, and collective responsibility is as crap a concept as collective punishment. That said, these guys were motivated by Islam as an ideology, so Muslims do need to be having a good look at their ideology. It’s a very unpleasant one.

      I know the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims are content to just ignore all the stuff about whose necks they should be smiting and just work with the less-obnoxious stuff about prayers and fasting and giving to charity, but that doesn’t alter the fact their ideology promotes it. There were plenty of fascists content to ignore the stuff about Jews and just work with the less-obnoxious stuff about national unity and pride, and no end of communists content to ignore the stuff about armed overthrow of the state and just work with the less-obnoxious stuff about helping the working class, but the fact that they were very nice people you’d be happy to have as neighbours didn’t alter the fact they were endorsing and promoting unsavoury totalitarian ideologies. There may have been nothing they could have done about Hitler/Stalin and it would have been wrong to hold them responsible, but let’s not pretend they’d made great choices about what to support.

      • RedLogix 7.3.1

        and collective responsibility is as crap a concept as collective punishment. That said, these guys were motivated by Islam as an ideology, so Muslims do need to be having a good look at their ideology.

        Is there not a contradiction between those two sentences? I know the two statements seem different in your mind – but consider this. What if Muslims did NOT take a good look at their ideology? What if they quietly cheered on the jihadists, or at least effectively did so by passively enabling them? Would you not hold them collectively responsible then?

        Which indeed you have effectively argued for in your last paragraph. There you seem to make a very eloquent case for collective responsibility.

        • Psycho Milt 7.3.1.1

          I think there is a difference. If you were a fascist or communist living in NZ in the late 1930s, your personal responsibility for what Hitler or Stalin got up to, and your ability to influence what they got up to, was non-existent. It would be nuts to say you fell under some kind of collective responsibility for their actions, but at the same time your fellow citizens would have been entitled to tell you freely and frankly that no they weren’t going to respect your murderous totalitarian ideology.

          What if Muslims did NOT take a good look at their ideology? What if they quietly cheered on the jihadists, or at least effectively did so by passively enabling them? Would you not hold them collectively responsible then?

          Sticking with my analogy, western socialism in 1940 was full of people finding all kinds of reasons why it was right for the USSR to help the fascists and to invade Poland etc. They were individually responsible for their personal stupidity in supporting a totalitarian ideology, but they weren’t responsible in a collective sense for the USSR’s actions.

          • RedLogix 7.3.1.1.1

            All fine points.

            But if enough Germans in the 1930’s had told Mr H to fuck off – history might have taken a different turn. But they didn’t because frankly it would have been difficult and risky to do so.

            Same with the hard-lefties in the 1940’s – admitting that Stalin had betrayed their ideals was an admission of defeat and a loss of face among their friends and peers. Different sort of threat – but real to them all the same.

            Fact is – effectively challenging any group dynamic is risky. Question is – who is willing to pay that price and who is not?

            That divides the sheep from the goats.

            • Colonial Rawshark 7.3.1.1.1.1

              But if enough Germans in the 1930’s had told Mr H to fuck off – history might have taken a different turn.

              And even later, there were opportunities to change course. Most of the Wehrmacht generals realised by the start of the second half of 1943 that Hitler was well on the way to destroying their nation. They should have immediately withdrawn from France and the USSR, and sued for peace. That would have been the logical, rational thing to do.

              But societies which are neck deep in their current endeavours do not do the logical or rational thing.

              • RedLogix

                And then afterwards came the accountability – the Nuremberg Trials.

                Not to mention the 15% or so of Germans no longer alive at the end of it all.

              • AmaKiwi

                Don’t underestimate the power of a totalitarian regime. If you object, you die in silence.

  8. Scottie 8

    Alarming to think someone with such influence on world media has such opinions. The damage and hate opinions like this foster is unthinkable.

  9. weka 9

    via twitter,

    Justin Lewis ‏@Mumbler3 10 hrs10 hours ago
    Reminder that Dennis Potter named his cancer ‘Rupert’ after Murdoch.

  10. joe90 10

    heh

    Mr Denmore ‏@MrDenmore

    Perhaps Rupert should raise that with Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, his 2nd largest voting shareholder?

    https://twitter.com/MrDenmore/status/553819719287853057

  11. Matthew Hooton 11

    He is only using the same logic as those who believe in “rape culture” and who mock those who argue that not all men are rapists.

    “Maybe most men aren’t rapists but until they recognise and destroy the rapist cancer they must be held responsible (and apologise for being men).”

    Personally I don’t really believe in collective guilt and blame. But those who defended the “logic” of David Cunliffe’s “apology” will, I assume, agree with what Murdoch is saying here.

    • weka 11.1

      :sigh: Rape analogies rarely work.

      Please tell us who exactly believes in rape culture and mocks people who argue not all men are rapists. Be specific.

      I’d also like some evidence for those that say ‘men must be held responsible’. Just so I know what the fuck you are actually talking about rather than trying to make sense of your obvious passive aggressive agenda about rape culture.

      In this case, it also fails because while men, in general (let’s say NZ men for simplicity’s sake), come into direct contact with rapists, and are part of the culture that sanctions rape, therefore can have some input into whether rape continues or not in our society, most Muslims don’t have contact with extremists and psychopaths that misuse Islam for their own fundamentalist agendas.

      “Personally I don’t really believe in collective guilt and blame”

      Neither do I (and I’d hazard a guess that DC doesn’t either), but thanks for dropping these off-topic, sensationalist and triggering strawpeople into a discussion that is already pretty fraught and difficult enough 🙄

      • Go to twitter, search for #NotAllMen

        • Te Reo Putake 11.1.1.1

          Alternatively, why don’t you just answer the questions weka put to you, Matthew. Or do you just not have any answers?

          • weka 11.1.1.1.1

            Why have answers when you can have a misleading agenda instead,

            https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/552874963246403585

            • weka 11.1.1.1.1.1

              Btw Matthew, what the difference between men and Muslims?

              • RedLogix

                While there are obviously different things, in this context we are talking about identifiable groups of humans who have some members with problematic behaviours. In the light of Murdoch’s tweet we are thinking about the nature of the collective group’s responsibility to address those behaviours.

                (As a bit of a tangent, it’s worth noting that one of the Paris criminals still being sought after last I looked, is a woman.)

                • weka

                  Apply power analysis and you might see what I was getting at.

                  “(As a bit of a tangent, it’s worth noting that one of the Paris criminals still being sought after last I looked, is a woman.)”

                  Why is that worth noting?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1.1.2

          Cunliffe articulates his feeling of personal responsibility for male violence against women. Hooton feigns horror and creates false equivalence.

          Discuss.

        • RedLogix 11.1.1.3

          Which takes us back to a familiar spot does it not?

          While on one hand we reject collective guilt and blame, while on the other we can recognise a collective responsibility for what we tolerate in our communities.

          I raised the same argument above using the slightly less emotionally loaded issue of American imperial militarism.

          In that case an argument can be made that ‘ordinary peaceful’ Americans are nonetheless complicit because by their silence they still get to enjoy the material advantages of imperialism – the USA still being the richest country and all.

          It’s harder to see what advantages non-rapey males gain by being silent in the face of violence against women. That’s a whole other can of really long worms – but many women have made the case that male silence bolsters and reaffirms the patriarchal power structures that benefit them in other ways.

          The point is of course – where does collective guilt stop and collective responsibility start? And where does passive complicity fit in?

          • Matthew Hooton 11.1.1.3.1

            That’s a more thoughtful response to my comment that others. I just never saw that David Cunliffe had any personal responsibility, let alone guilt, for violence against women, just as I don’t see that the overwhelming majority of Muslims, including those close to me, have any responsibility for 9/11, Bali, 7/7 or Paris. But I also think it is wrong to say the Koran and Islam have nothing to do with those events (just as rape obviously has something to do with the perpetrator being male). But it is inaccurate, in my view, and even morally reprehensible to start expanding responsibility, guilt, blame etc from the terrorists or rapists to other Muslims and other men. It is interesting that two parallel debates have erupted on the blogs over the last year, and those who backed Cunliffe now tend to be saying Not All Mulsims whereas those who said “Not All Men” tend to be saying something like “Yes, All Mulsims”.

            • rhinocrates 11.1.1.3.1.1

              Cite please.

            • RedLogix 11.1.1.3.1.2

              Agreed this has always been a tricky debate.

              mac1 below makes a really useful distinction:

              When Rupert Murdoch – a non-Muslim – attempts to assign collective guilt onto all Muslims, we instantly recognise that as problematic.

              If a prominent Islamic clergyman stood up and said exactly the same thing – we might well applaud it.

              (And effectively this is what DC was doing too – but as a potential leader of the nation it came with a whole cartload of baggage which buried him.)

              • That baggage was deliberately thrown upon him by Hoots, Farrar, Key et al who were happy to trivialise discussion of rape and domestic abuse for immediate political advantage.

                • Colonial Rawshark

                  Apologies in politics are very risky things. Basically, Cunliffe should never have gone anywhere near the statement, the statement was (and remains) out of touch with the mood of most NZers.

                  • I must admit that I facepalmed over it – he walked right into a trap there. We often use the sporting analogy of “letting the side down” and everyone agrees that there is indeed a team of which we are all a part. It could so easily have been phrased along the lines of “there are men who fill me with shame to be associated with them, but then I ask myself, as we should all ask ourselves, ‘what can we do to make sure that they know that they cannot do this, how can we as men show them what it is to be a good man?’ “

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      Sigh, if only you had been the one writing the speeches in the Leaders Office.

                    • Murray Rawshark

                      Yep, he could have got his message across a lot better. On the other hand, if Tories were honest and interested in the actual issues, Cunliffe may have done OK with his apology. I think he’s a bit of an idealist and didn’t realise the filth he was up against. So much for McCarten being the great political street fighter – he certainly didn’t seem to have any effect on the campaign.

                      Yet when an Imam or a Sheikh stands up and says sorry for what extremists are doing, the same people who rubbished Cunliffe will say what reasonable people they are, not like most Muslims.

            • weka 11.1.1.3.1.3

              “But it is inaccurate, in my view, and even morally reprehensible to start expanding responsibility, guilt, blame etc from the terrorists or rapists to other Muslims and other men.”

              You are conflating responsibility with guilt/blame. That’s you basically contaminating the debate. If you don’t want to feel guilty, great. But don’t assign your process to other people’s politics when you are clearly misrepresenting them.

              “It is interesting that two parallel debates have erupted on the blogs over the last year, and those who backed Cunliffe now tend to be saying Not All Mulsims whereas those who said “Not All Men” tend to be saying something like “Yes, All Mulsims”.”

              What’s the difference between men and Muslims? How are the politics different?

            • phillip ure 11.1.1.3.1.4

              “..It is interesting that two parallel debates have erupted on the blogs over the last year, and those who backed Cunliffe now tend to be saying Not All Mulsims whereas those who said “Not All Men” tend to be saying something like “Yes, All Mulsims”…”

              a considered/intelligent..seeming spin-free..comment/observation from hooton..

              ..knock me over with a bloody feather..

              ..i have been posessed by the evil sprite that lives in mike williams/.

              ..and am forced to say:..’i agree with matthew’..

              ..and tho’ that pattern is not surprising..

              ..that u chose to highlight it..is

              • Murray Rawshark

                It’s not a balanced comment at all. Those who say “Not all men” are almost all men. There is a strong possibility that those who say “Yes, all Muslims” are not 100% Muslims. The difference is brutal and I’m surprised it wasn’t more obvious to you, Phil. I’m pretty sure weka saw it, or she wouldn’t have asked her question What’s the difference between men and Muslims? How are the politics different?”

    • Interesting. Effluvium does or did PR for a wife-beater Liu. Hoots was happy to take paycheques from him and look the other way. That says enough about his views on misogyny and “responsibility”.

      Adittionally, Hoots, you’ve obviously been returning to the Standard, so you’ve seen questions about your responsibility in a (thankfully incompetent) conspiracy to murder or at least ensure an attack on Nicky Hager, so Mr Responsibility, here is an excellent opportunity to answer a question.

      Seems you’re running from a lot of questions you fucking coward.

    • Olwyn 11.3

      It is not quite the same – those who argue about rape culture tend to be members of the same culture, and are either defending some aspect of the status quo or advocating change. Whereas I can’t think what reason the Islamic community would have for heeding Murdoch’s advice at all. If you are Islamic and live in another culture it behoves you to obey its laws, or face the consequences if you do not. The same for anyone else living in a culture that differs from their own. At the same time, if a group of people sees you as their enemy, you have to work out how best to deal with that, but you are unlikely to lap up their advice from such a position. The world is simply not the play-mobile set of white know-alls.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 11.3.1

        If you are Islamic and live in another culture it behoves you to obey its laws, or face the consequences if you do not. The same for anyone else living in a culture that differs from their own.

        Where does that leave the UDoHR?

        If I live in a culture that differs from my own and by doing so abuses human rights (John Key’s New Zealand, for example), it behoves me to change it.

        • Olwyn 11.3.1.1

          In which case you face the consequences, should there be consequences. Even in trying to bring about cultural change you cannot afford to be presumptuous.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 11.3.1.1.1

            Meanwhile, well-financed spin merchants are busy trying to dismantle culture altogether. Perhaps what we can’t afford to be is timid.

    • Rape culture is a well-documented phenomenon which has been used by historians, political scientists, psychologists and sociologists for nearly 50 years.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

      But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good piece of rightwing propaganda.

    • Murray Rawshark 11.5

      Not your best effort there, bro.
      There’s a difference between men fighting to change the culture around sex and all men being sentenced to prison for a rape committed by one. Murdoch’s proposal would have made the butchers of Lidice happy. Collective punishment is rejected by most Kiwi jurists, even though it’s common when you’re a guest of Corrections.

  12. mac1 12

    “Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible.”

    The problem I have with this statement is the use of the third person plural. This is the classic language usage of the blamer, the excluder, the vengeance seeker be it through war or the justice system.

    “Maybe we are mostly peaceful, but until we recognize and destroy our growing cancer of inequality we must be held responsible.”

    That statement works for me.

    So does this one. “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Now, who said that?

    • weka 12.1

      Good points.

    • RedLogix 12.2

      Agreed. The framing difference is subtle – but powerful all the same. Thanks.

    • mac1 12.3

      Actually, Christ’s statement really is judgemental. For me, a more powerful statement
      is ” I am hypocritical if I attempt to remove the mote from my brother’s eye before I remove the beam from my own” or more simply and less pointedly, “I should remove my own beam before I attempt to remove the mote in my brother’s eye.”

      The other reason why I like this beam/mote analogy, is the realisation that our own prejudices are bigger than the ones we see in others, our own violence is bigger than some other’s, our own world view skews problems to seem that way where the other is at more fault than are we.

    • Murray Rawshark 12.4

      So does this one. “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Now, who said that?

      I’m pretty sure it was one of the earlier prophets, before Mohammed.

      • mac1 12.4.1

        Nice reply, Murray Rawshark, to state a non-Christ-centred point of view.

        My use of ‘our’ favourite prophet is of course to point out to people from our Christian culture that Christ was very hard on hypocrisy and blame, as Rupert Murdoch illustrated.

        France today declared Paris the ‘capital of the world’, as if it never had not been….. Presidents and PMs talked about democracy and tolerance, and linked arms. All well and good, but there’s quite a bit of timber in their eyes to be removed before a claim of hypocrisy can be plausibly denied.

    • mac1 12.5

      Thanks, Weka and Redlogic.

      One of my former students posted on Facebook this article cited below from the Guardian in December 2014, which reinforces my comment about the “growing cancer of inequality.”

      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/12/how-new-zealands-rich-poor-divide-killed-its-egalitarian-paradise

  13. To say that Hoots is being disingenuous or a hypocrite is redundant (when is he not?), but it is interesting to see what a raw nerve a term like “rape culture” touches and the reaction it engenders. So much so that the likes of Hoots will cynically use a terrorist atrocity in their own defensive argument.

    It’s rather sickening to trivialise the killings in that way.

    Anyway, Rape Culture and the fallacious “Not all men” argument (appropriately) deconstructed in a cartoon here:

    http://pepperonideluxe.tumblr.com/post/101061454652/a-comic-about-seagulls-if-you-feel-like-this

    And since Hoots only accepts PERSONAL responsibility, is it a bad thing to incite or solicit the killing of someone because of what they publish? There’s a simple question and dear Hoots, you have first-hand experience of such a case of responsibility.

    Please explain your feelings on this.

  14. Come on Hoots, it’s a very simple and pertinent question.

    Maybe I couldn’t hear your answer over the sound of crickets.

    Is it an evil thing to kill or solicit the killing of people who publish what you do not like?

  15. vto 15

    This certainly brings the comparison with the principle that all men have some responsibility for mens violence because they are men…. as some have pointed above

    Always amusing to see the pinhead dancing and hair-splitting when a principle’s consistent application leads to undesired outcomes..

    There is also of course another significant factor to toss into the mix of this issue and that is the existence of choice as to membership of these groups (men and islam). Men cannot choose whether they are responsible for mens violence (via membership principle) whereas muslims can choose whether are responsible for muslim violence (via membership principle) …. and that is simply not reasonable at all. My ancestors fought to remove any faecal detritus of birthright, be it right or obligation….. they sailed the oceans to escape birthright.

    And here are some wankers trying to impose birthright on us again? …. piss right off back to the dark ages please

    • weka 15.1

      Love to see you answer my question to Red above: how can a 15yr old girl in Taliban controlled Afghanistan resign from being a Muslim?

      • vto 15.1.1

        I saw that. The problem comes in reconciling your point there and the principle thing of course, but it is easily solved methinks …… the principles thing is high level and the example thing is an application example. They are two different questions. One – what is the principle behind it; and two – how does that get applied ‘on the ground’.

        Clearly under the example you provide it would be nigh impossible..

        However for example a new convert in a western nation should have a complete choice ..

        I prefer to argue principles and leave their application to later …………. more fun and easier ..

        • weka 15.1.1.1

          Also extremely prejudicial.

          I am also pretty sure there are plenty of examples in the West where stopping being a Muslim is not the easy thing you make out. Consider if it means losing ones family or community. Or where one is married to a Muslim and has Muslim kids.

          Then consider that being Muslim is not just about religion it’s also about culture.

          This whole line is fucked anyway, because it assumes or implies that if non-violent Muslims stopped being Muslims then Islamic terrorism would also cease. Which is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen on ts is a long time.

          • vto 15.1.1.1.1

            Well perhaps not but I know what you mean. Your view though is still born of trying to marry together the principle with its application …. try not

            Imo the principle thing remains – the imposition of rights and obligations by way of birth is not something that sits at all well with that part of NZ that places egalitereanism in a prominent place, does it.

            How many people in the world I wonder, would rather have been born without any obligation or the like imposed on them because of their birth? I know an awful lot of women have been wanting that for some considerable time …. so why is it now appropriate weka?

            • weka 15.1.1.1.1.1

              I have no problem whatsoever with being born into a family that was Anglican.

              Not sure what you mean about women. Or why we are even having this conversation. Is it related to the post?

              • vto

                subtle in avoidance

                • weka

                  You’d have to be more specific. I don’t actually understand what you are talking about or how this relates to the post. I think you could be more clear.

                  • vto

                    birthright and birthobligation and their consideration in the application of the collective responsibility principle ….. particular sample groups being men and muslims ….

                    but you have just raised a doubt in my mind as to whether you are being genuine in your ‘I don’t follow’ response’ …

      • RedLogix 15.1.2

        Well I did answer above. Any 15 yr old girl has almost zero power in any situation like that – she is still virtually a child.

        Made worse within the Islamic community by the very real and oppressive ‘honour culture’ that is deeply entwined with it and hugely impacts on the rights of women of any age to act with agency.

        Made worse again by the fact that anyone who recants their belief or leaves the faith is regarded as an apostate. Under clear traditional law this was punishable by death. And usually was. In modern conditions I’m less clear how this works – but it’s still considered a very, very serious matter that WILL have a big impact on a person’s life. Especially their family.

        Given that practical options for anyone stopping being a Muslim are very limited indeed – does this entirely absolve them from anything that is done in the name of their Faith?

        • weka 15.1.2.1

          I stopped going to church when I was 11. I stopped believing in god when I was 13. I did so publicly. Virtually zero negative consequences for me.

          I see you avoiding answering the points I am making.

          • RedLogix 15.1.2.1.1

            Yes – Christianity is quite different in that respect. Well some of it.

            My partner has not spoken at all to her nutjob fundie Catholic father for over 30 yrs on much the same grounds. I can assure you the consequences have been distinctly non-zero.

            • weka 15.1.2.1.1.1

              Still avoiding the points I am making. You said it was someting to do with age, I demonstrated that that’s not a given.

          • RedLogix 15.1.2.1.2

            I see you avoiding answering the points I am making.

            Sorry – exactly what answer did you want? Because I’ve tried very hard to respond to your each and every point in detail.

            • weka 15.1.2.1.2.1

              1. In response to your idea that Muslims can resign from Islam and being Muslim in the way that you can make choices about which job you take, I gave an example of a woman in Afghanistan. Instead of replying to the point (that many Muslims can’t resign), you focussed on the age of the person as if that somehow was relevant.

              2. When I point out how age isn’t relevant, you don’t respond to that point, but instead talk about Christianity as if that makes it different.

              • vto

                The example isn’t overly helpful to the issue of whether the collective responsibility principle is applicable amongst humankinds peoples

              • RedLogix

                Oh – of course the two cases are not exactly identical in terms of a practical response.

                In one case the correct response was resigning from (or not accepting) the job. It would have been hopelessly hypocritical of me if I had. Fortunately I had the luxury of being able to choose not to take it – at only the personal cost of about $100k of annual income.

                On the other hand – for reasons I’ve detailed above- given the option to resign or stop being a Muslim is very limited for the vast majority – then some other course of action is required if they find themselves in ethical conflict with what some people are doing in it’s name.

                Otherwise by their silence they become complicit. Doing nothing does not make the ethical problem go away.

                Just arguing that only a few extremists are taking up guns in the name of Islam doesn’t really work. For instance – we get upset when the NZ Super fund – something that represents symbolically the whole of NZ – invests in tobacco or armaments. They may only be a tiny fraction of it’s total portfolio – but we recognise the ethical problem all the same. We don’t want to be associated and we speak out.

                • weka

                  Maybe someone else can make sense of that, because I can’t.

                  Why are you assuming that Muslims aren’t doing something about terrorism?

                  • RedLogix

                    Why are you assuming that?

                    All I said is that doing nothing was not an ethical option. Muslims understand ethics much as we do – and many of them do indeed take action. Often at considerable personal risk.

                    And as rhino below expands on – the largest group of victims of Islamic extremists have been other Muslims.

                    Just because I say “A is true” does not mean that I am also saying “B must be false”. That’s called binary thinking and it’s a weirdly unhelpful habit.

                    • weka

                      ok, well I now have no idea what this conversation is about at all. Your analogies make no sense to me. The only clear thing I’ve got is that you seem to think that Muslims could resign from being Muslim and that this would stop terrorism.

                    • RedLogix

                      The only clear thing I’ve got is that you seem to think that Muslims could resign from being Muslim and that this would stop terrorism.

                      Which is the one thing I have clearly stated is not a practical option for most Muslims. I even detailed the reasons why.

                • Red what do you believe or not believe in? Say you are atheist and someone of that belief system commits mass murder, and others around the world who are also atheist commit other atrocities and murder. If that creates an ethical issue for you what do you do about it? Resign from atheism, stay silent, protest…

                  To me it is the same thing as you are describing above.

                  You had choices in the job situation but you do realise that others have fewer choices and some are in the position that they effectively have no choice – you say a muslim should try some other course of action – like what?

                  The thing is imo we all live with ‘ethical problems’ every day, every hour and every minute – our middle class lifestyles have stripped the planet yet we still go on even when we know the truth of our excesses – we do it and for a nanosecond feel bad, then we do it again. If we have ethical issues with our ‘group’ as described in this way what should we do? Resign from the middle class, protest, stay silent… or…

                  • RedLogix

                    I appreciate the atheist argument as far as it goes. But it leaves out a couple of important things.

                    At the moment there is no official ‘church’ of atheism. No formal institutions to belong to, no-one to formulate an ideologies, policies and rules.

                    So if one nutter atheist somewhere in the world commits mass murder then yes it’s unreasonable to hold all the others responsible. The community of atheists is simply too loose and ill-defined to make such a thing possible. Most atheists would never dream of belonging to anything.

                    But religions in general are far more institutional and powerful than this. They do wield considerable power and authority over their members – and they in turn strongly identify not just with the idea of the religion – but actively support it’s earthly goals and actions. I would argue that does place a moral burden on its members to speak out about ethical abuses committed in the name of that religion. Wherever they happen.

    • Leonor 15.2

      All people (men and woman) have an individual responsibility and a collective responsibility for everything that is unjust.
      People may not have time to be a part of ‘all’ collective responsibilities physically, but to have an opinion and/or good ‘intent’ is just as valid, any change is good- external or internal. A person’s opinion or intent can influence, therefore change can occur, through one person, or millions.

      If we live on this planet we are all responsible for it and what takes place on it. Period.

    • Sorry VTO, this is not aimed at you personally, but is intended to make some distinctions that are more than just hair-splitting.

      The “not all men” argument is criticised because it is so obviously defensive with the subtext of “you are being unfair and therefore I am a victim of your accusation, waaah!” and is repeatedly used as a diversionary tactic to close down discussion of rape.

      It’s rather hypocritical too – on one hand, one who says “not all men” tries to separate themselves from men who are rapists but then wails that discussion of rape unfairly victimises men as a group.

      Instead, look at the connection rather than the difference between sins of omission and sins of commission. It is a sin of commission to rape, but it is a sin of omission to do nothing when one could prevent an atrocity or to tacitly facilitate it. For example, Farrar is not guilty of rape, but he thinks that it’s a jolly lark to go to fancy dress “Princess Parties dressed as infamous serial rapists and happily associates with correspondents who overtly boast of their intention of stupefying and raping teenage girls. He personally is not guilty of an individual rape, yet he supports a culture in which it occurs and in my opinion is morally culpable through his passivity when he could act to prevent it.

      I suggest you look at Pastor Niemoller’s famous poem that begins “First they came for…”

      When you hear about rape culture, it’s narcissistic to say that you are being lumped in with rapists. It’s indeed not about all men, but it’s aimed to provoke men to think about how, unknowingly, passively, tacitly they turn the other way. To cry “not all men, not ME” is to obscure the point. I’m not a rapist, I know that nobody ever said I was, so “not all men” is a red herring. I do have a responsibility not to look the other way however, and that is the true point being made.

      Think, as a man, about “us”. Maybe David Cunliffe should have said “Sometimes I feel ashamed to be a man because fellow men rape, what can we as men do to stop it?” Maybe you don’t laugh at the rape joke in the pub, maybe you don’t congratulate a man on his masculinity for forcing a woman, maybe you hear someone say “When she says no, she means yes” and instead of remaining silent, ask them about that. It doesn’t require great acts of heroism or defensiveness. It certainly doesn’t require photo-ops with that odious “Not ashamed to be a man” T-shirt.

      Furthermore, it is not some clever reductio ad absurdum to say that it’s just being “consistent” to say that it must also be applied to all Muslims. There are one and a half billion Muslims on this planet and the vast majority of victims of terrorism are themselves Muslim. They are of course ardently opposed to terrorism, they struggle hard daily against it and are killed for it my extremists who accuse them of being on the side of the infidels. It’s something that’s been done by extremists for millennia: attack the moderates so that there can be no middle ground and therefore no peace.

      We don’t see those statistics reported in our media, instead we see under such circumstances a media presentation of them as the “other”. There are over a billion Muslims who do struggle against terrorism because they themselves suffer from it within their community. To say that they do not and should is a blatant, racist lie by Murdoch.

      Weka points out about to Hoots eloquently, “You are conflating responsibility with guilt/blame. That’s you basically contaminating the debate. If you don’t want to feel guilty, great. But don’t assign your process to other people’s politics when you are clearly misrepresenting them.”

      There is no obvious equivalence at all, it is a distortion. One does not have to get defensive because defence is not the point, defensiveness is diversion.

      • vto 15.3.1

        ” It is a sin of commission to rape, but it is a sin of omission to do nothing when one could prevent an atrocity or to tacitly facilitate it”

        Yes it is that is correct. However, that “omission”, which is the critical factor, has nothing to do with being male and everything to do with being human. I get the collective responsibility for male violence, however it comes via my humanity not my masculinity.

        That is the end of it.

        And that is the way things pan out – I think most people who do act in commission rather than omission do so due to their humanity – a person does not act to help someone due to their gender or other grouping, they help due to their humanity (extreme cases excluded).

        … and please give up on the “defensive” fallacy when this issue is raised… its tiresome and entirely inaccurate.

        • rhinocrates 15.3.1.1

          responsibility for male violence, however it comes via my humanity not my masculinity.

          That is the end of it.

          You are confusing biology with culture. It does not come from your XY chromosomes, true. It does however come from cultural constructions of what it is to be a man.

          Certainly any human being can commit a generic act of violence against another human being and their sex has nothing to do with it. However, when a crime – such as rape or partner abuse or “honour killing” – is inherently one of misogyny and the abuse of power relations between the sexes, then one’s placement in a cultural system is crucial. Yes, there are women who rape men and men who rape men, but there is a cultural downplaying of rape OF women BY men as “rough sex” or “she was asking for it” or simply by silence. That is what we are being called upon to address and change – and which we can change by changing what culture defines as normal relations between men and women.

          True, culture says that rape is wrong overtly, but underneath and behind that there are sniggers and silence and blind eyes and they are a part of culture too, like it or not. They are what have to be addressed and that is the demand being made.

          … and please give up on the “defensive” fallacy when this issue is raised… its tiresome and entirely inaccurate.

          Sadly, it IS a defensive rhetorical reaction. It is an overt attempt to shut up a complaint by first distorting discussion of rape as an accusation towards all men of being rapists, which is untrue and then by declaring it irrelevant. It is a straw man and deserves to be condemned, no matter how “tiresome” you find it.

          It’s not all about you.

          • vto 15.3.1.1.1

            rhincrates: ” True, culture says that rape is wrong overtly, but underneath and behind that there are sniggers and silence and blind eyes and they are a part of culture too, like it or not. They are what have to be addressed and that is the demand being made.”

            Jeez, you make some assumptions don’t you? You still haven’t explained why those sniggers and silence and blind eyes up are more the responsibility of men than all of humanity. You make a leap without justification.

            I am very tired of this lumping of collective responsibility. This link with the collective responsibility of all muslims for the actions of the jihadis is a good one because it exposes the deficits in such an approach.

            Those with the most responsibility for men who are violent are their parents – their mothers and their fathers.

            So come on mums, why the fuck you raise these pricks?
            Come on dads, what on earth have you been doing while this man was a child?

            And finally this rhinocrates…”Sadly, it IS a defensive rhetorical reaction. It is an overt attempt to shut up a complaint by first distorting discussion of rape as an accusation towards all men of being rapists, which is untrue and then by declaring it irrelevant.” is simply not accepted..

            For the defence to be a distortion first the complaint must be credible, so you haven’t even got to step one yet. Suggesting that all men have an increased responsibility for violent men is the distortion away from the complaint.

        • weka 15.3.1.2

          “I get the collective responsibility for male violence, however it comes via my humanity not my masculinity.”

          There are conversations that men can have with each other about rape that I as a woman cannot take part in. I agree that humanity is part of that, but it’s can’t be divorced from gender.

          • Stephanie Rodgers 15.3.1.2.1

            A woman who criticises rape jokes = “fuck off, shrill harpy.”

            A man who criticises rape jokes = “Oh shit, sorry dude.”

            (Yes, it’s an oversimplification, #notallrapejokes etc etc)

            • One Anonymous Bloke 15.3.1.2.1.1

              +1 to Weka and Stephanie both.

            • rhinocrates 15.3.1.2.1.2

              Speaking of humour, I was listening to some albums by Margaret Cho recently and the jokes about the racial expectations she faced as an Asian-American really made me squirm, thinking “I couldn’t say that” – which was exactly the point and realising that, I could laugh with her, understanding her experience a little bit better. Humour and satire in skilled hands can break up unexamined prejudices. Bad jokes are those that reinforce prejudices.

              So anyway, yeah, that’s well put.

            • Descendant Of Sssmith 15.3.1.2.1.3

              You’ve obviously never been a white male who has stood up to those (white males mainly) making such jokes.

              If you think the response is as you have stated you’re quite mistaken.

              It’s cost I, and others I know, jobs, promotions, friends, business opportunities, customers…

              On the other hand it’s also given us respect, self-respect, support, and at times has resulted in some real change in behaviour and attitude.

              Wouldn’t not stand up and say anything – indeed made someone I met this weekend quite disgruntled that he didn’t quite get the response he thought he was going to get when telling a man his age a highly offensive joke about young girls but it was also pretty clear I was the only one in the room stopping him from continuing – despite others discomfort.

              It’s actually quite easy to say something but tbh I’ve never seen either of the responses you outline above.

              I don’t think it’s simplistic – just inaccurate.

              • weka

                Good for you Ssssmith. That’s the harder end of the spectrum and I wish more men were able to go there.

                I took Stephanie’s comment to be more in the middle of the spectrum, the men who are going to have a reflexive reaction to being told by a woman but not by a man.

                And what I myself meant was that there is ground to be made by men talking to men. This is both in the creative sense and the challenging sense. I think men need to have male spaces to talk about this and how to work on it and having women there makes that harder or impossible or simply just changes the conversation.

                • Descendant Of Sssmith

                  With the rise of the right in this country I’ve noticed quite a reversion to many of the pre-mid 80’s behaviours and practices.

                  In the 80’s in particular I think there was a real effort (within organisations) to change and to remove the sexist behaviours and approaches, engender positive support for those of other races and abilities.

                  It wasn’t everywhere and it wasn’t consistent but those who sat in relatively independent roles in many businesses and government departments in jobs such as EEO advisors, cultural advisors, health and safety etc made some real change.

                  The approach of independent observation and commentary engendering change was replaced by a “it’s now business as usual approach” and in some cases has now been replaced by places having someone look after the greening of a business eg paper waste.

                  It probably was business as usual for those in management roles at the time but those people have been replaced.

                  Wider social policy innovation has been replaced by Harvard Business School thinking and cost benefit analysis has been driven down to only cost analysis.

                  Many of these areas have gone backwards.

                  The classic symptom for me is the re-emergence of the women in management who behave like these men – and are expected to do so.

                  The swearing, the crudity, the sexual innuendo and the openness of this.

                  I’m pleased that some still stand up against this. I was quite shocked recently with the number of women who I came across supporting Roger Sutton for instance.

                  It saddened me that we’ve stepped so far backwards in many areas of social justice.

                  • weka

                    going into the third term of a govt that excells at undermining NZ’s fairness for all culture is part of it. But I do think there is a larger backlash going on, and some of its to do with being too many decades down the neoliberal, I’m out for me path.

            • Murray Rawshark 15.3.1.2.1.4

              A man who criticises rape jokes = “Oh shit, sorry dude.”
              I’ve seen more of this:
              A man who criticises rape jokes = “Don’t be a soft cock, mate.”
              And sometimes it’s heard in the rugby clubs that FJK wanted Cunliffe to go and apologise in.

            • vto 15.3.1.2.1.5

              Stephanie Rogers: “A woman who criticises rape jokes = “fuck off, shrill harpy.”

              A man who criticises rape jokes = “Oh shit, sorry dude.”

              (Yes, it’s an oversimplification, #notallrapejokes etc etc)”

              What an oversimplified pile of rubbish. Pity it is at the heart of your point.

      • Murray Rawshark 15.3.2

        Great comment, rhino. I’m glad you’re posting again.

        • George Hendry 15.3.2.1

          @ rhinocrates – first prize for valuable comments among a set that make the difference between left and right blogs ever so obvious 🙂

          Valuable work, never letting Mr Hooton forget the question he hasn’t answered yet. So much dirty politics depends on distraction and short memories.

  16. TheBlackKitten 16

    See when you apologise for being white because another white person & a male at that has said something offensive (in your mind) all you are doing is unnecessarily drawing the racist/gender card to a head and making a molehill out of a mountain.
    As for Murdoch why not call for all Aussies to apologise for being Australian or how about, all people born in the same year as Murdoch apologising for being born in the same year as him. Do you see how absurd this political correctness is.
    And whilst on the subject of Murdoch how about those moderate Muslims explain to the rest of us why they don’t seek or condemn the actions of a radical few. Are they too frightened of them?
    And please, lets not be stupid enough to bring out the – this is a cult that has nothing to do with religion card. Anyone that does not have their minds muddled with political correctness will see that these extremists are basing their ideals from how they see the Koran which is a religious writing.
    Murdoch is not asking a unreasonable question, what he is doing is asking a question that does not involve any political correctness.
    However I would have thought that a rich boy who is head of a news outlet would have had better spelling skills than Moslems???

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    Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 days ago
  • Flooding Housing Policy

    The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 days ago
  • A Voyage Among the Vandals: Accepted (Again!)

    As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Friday, July 19

    An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Friday, July 19

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Weekly Roundup 19-July-2024

    Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    2 days ago
  • Weekly Climate Wrap: A market-led plan for failure

    TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Tobacco First

    Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • Trump’s Adopted Son.

    Waiting In The Wings: For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
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  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 19

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSA announced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Hoon around the week to July 19

    TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent talking about the National-ACT-NZ First Government’s release of its first Emissions Reduction Plan;University of Otago Foreign Relations Professor and special guest Dr Karin von ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #29 2024

    Open access notables Improving global temperature datasets to better account for non-uniform warming, Calvert, Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society: To better account for spatial non-uniform trends in warming, a new GITD [global instrumental temperature dataset] was created that used maximum likelihood estimation (MLE) to combine the land surface ...
    3 days ago
  • We're back again! Join us for the weekly Hoon on YouTube Live

    Photo by Gabriel Crismariu on UnsplashWe’re back again after our mid-winter break. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream for ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Gut Reactions.

    Trump Writes His Own Story: Would the “mainstream” media even try to reflect the horrified reaction of the MAGA crowd to the pop-pop-pop of the would-be assassin’s rifle, and Trump going down? Could it even grasp the sheer elation of the rally-goers seeing their champion rise up and punch the air, still alive, ...
    3 days ago
  • Dodging Bullets.

    Fight! Fight! Fight! Had the assassin’s bullet found its mark and killed Donald Trump, America’s descent into widespread and murderous violence – possibly spiralling-down into civil war – would have been immediate and quite possibly irreparable. The American Republic, upon whose survival liberty and democracy continue to depend, is certainly not ...
    3 days ago
  • 'Corruption First' Strikes Again

    There comes a point in all our lives when we must stop to say, “Enough is enough. We know what’s happening. We are not as stupid or as ignorant as you believe us to be. And making policies that kill or harm our people is not acceptable, Ministers.”Plausible deniability has ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Thursday, July 18

    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:The inside stories of KiwiRail’s iRex debacle, Westport’s perma-delayed flood scheme and Christchurch’s post-quake sewer rebuild, which assumed no population growth, show just how deeply sceptical senior officials in Treasury, the Ministry of ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • What's that Jack Black?

    Ah-rah, deeSoo-guh-goo-gee-goo-geeGoo-guh fli-goo gee-gooGuh fli-goo, ga-goo-buh-deeOoh, guh-goo-beeOoh-guh-guh-bee-guh-guh-beeFli-goo gee-gooA-fliguh woo-wa mama Lucifer!I’m about ready to move on, how about you?Not from the shooting, that’s bad and we definitely shouldn’t have that. But the rehabilitation of Donald J Trump? The deification of Saint Donald? As the Great Unifier?Gimme a bucket.https://yellowscene.com/2024/04/07/trump-as-jesus/Just to re-iterate, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • June 2024: Earth’s 13th-consecutive warmest month on record

    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Jeff Masters and Bob Henson June 2024 was Earth’s warmest June since global record-keeping began in 1850 and was the planet’s 13th consecutive warmest month on record, NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information, or NCEI, reported July 12. As opposed to being focused in ...
    3 days ago
  • Connecting the dots and filling the gaps in our bike network

    This is a guest post by Shaun Baker on the importance of filling the gaps in our cycling networks. It originally appeared on his blog Multimodal Adventures, and is re-posted here with kind permission. In our towns and cities in Aotearoa New Zealand, there are areas in our cycling networks ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    3 days ago
  • Webworm Down Under Photos!

    Hi,I wanted to share a few thoughts and photos from the Webworm popup and Tickled screening we held in Auckland, New Zealand last weekend.In short — it was a blast. I mean, I had a blast and I hope any of you that came also had a blast.An old friend ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Thursday, July 18

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:30 am on Thursday, July 18 are:News: Christchurch's sewer systems block further housing developments RNZ’s Niva ChittockAnalysis: Interislander: Treasury, MoT officials' mistrust of KiwiRail led ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Thursday, July 18

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 18, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Verbatim: Climate Change Minister Simon Watts held a news conference in Auckland to release the Government’s Emissions Reduction Plan, including ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • The politics of managed retreat

    Climate change deniers are now challenging the Government over a key climate change adaptation policy. That begs the question of whether New Zealand First will then support Government moves to implement processes to deal with a managed retreat for properties in danger of flooding because of sea level rise and ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago
  • Some changes are coming

    Warm welcome again to those who are here. The Mountain Tui substack was officially started on the 2nd of July. I wrote about what led me here on this post. Since then, it’s been a learning to navigate the platform, get to meet those in the community, and basically be ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    4 days ago
  • About fucking time

    The US Supreme Court has been rogue for years, with openly corrupt judges making the law up as they go to suit themselves, their billionaire buyers, and the Republican Party. But now, in the wake of them granting a licence for tyranny, President Biden is actually going to try and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: False accounting and wishful thinking

    National released their draft 2026-2030 Emissions Reduction Plan today. The plan is required under the Zero Carbon Act, and must set out policies and strategies to meet the relevant emissions budget. Having cancelled all Labour's actually effective climate change policies and crashed the carbon price, National was always going to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • The Enemies Of Sunshine And Space.

    Our Houses? The Urban Density debate is a horrible combination of intergenerational avarice and envy, fuelled by the grim certainty that none of the generations coming up after them will ever have it as good as the Boomers. To say that this situation rankles among those born after 1965 is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Still the 5 Eyes Achilles Heel?

    The National Cyber Security Centre (NZSC), a unit in the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) dedicated to cyber-security, has released a Review of its response to the 2021 email hacking of NZ members of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC, … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    4 days ago
  • Britain's Devastating Electoral Slip.

    Slip-Sliding Away: Labour may now enjoy a dominant position in Britain’s political landscape, but only by virtue of not being swallowed by it.THE BRITISH LABOUR PARTY’S “landslide victory” is nothing of the sort. As most people understand the term, a landslide election victory is one in which the incumbent government, or ...
    4 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on why right wingers think all governments (including their own) are incompetent

    Since open denial of climate change is no longer a viable political option, denial now comes in disguise. The release this week of the coalition government’s ‘draft emissions reductions plan” shows that the Luxon government is refusing to see the need to cut emissions at source. Instead, it proposes to ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Wednesday, July 17

    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy this morning are:Chris Penk is set to roll back building standards for insulation that had only just been put in place, and which had been estimated to save 40% from power costs, after builders ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Open Letter to Pharmac

    All this talk of getting oldIt's getting me down, my loveLike a cat in a bag, waiting to drownThis time I'm coming downAnd I hope you're thinking of meAs you lay down on your sideNow the drugs don't workThey just make you worse but I know I'll see your face ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • A blanket of misinformation

    Two old sayings have been on my mind lately. The first is: “The pen is mightier than the sword”, describing the power of language and communication to help or to harm. The other, which captures the speed with which falsehoods can become ingrained and hard to undo, is: “A lie can ...
    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Wednesday, July 17

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 17 are:Scoop: Government considers rolling back home insulation standards RNZ’s Eloise GibsonNews: Government plans tree-planting frenzy as report shows NZ no longer ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Wednesday, July 17

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Wednesday, July 17 , the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:Simon Watts released the Government’s draft Emissions Reduction Plan (ERP), which included proposed changes to the Emissions Trading Scheme ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • “Shhhh” – National's 3 Waters is loaded with higher costs and lays a path to ...

    This is a long, possibly technical, but very, very important read. I encourage you to take the time and spread your awareness.IntroductionIn 2022, then Labour Party Prime Minister Jacinda Adern expended significant political capital to protect New Zealand’s water assets from privatisation. She lost that battle, and Labour and the ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Plugging a video channel: Dr Gilbz

    Dr. Ella Gilbert is a climate scientist and presenter with a PhD in Antarctic climate change, working at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS). Her background is in atmospheric sciences and she's especially interested in the physical mechanisms of climate change, clouds, and almost anything polar. She is passionate about communicating climate ...
    5 days ago
  • Some “scrutiny” again

    Back in 2022, in its Open Government Partnership National Action Plan, the government promised to strengthen scrutiny of Official Information Act exemption clauses in legislation. Since then they've run a secret "consultation" on how to do that, with their preferred outcome being that agencies will consult the Ministry of Justice ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Crashing New Zealand's health system is not the way to prosperity, Prime Minister

    Another day, and yet another piece of bad news for New Zealand’s health system. Reports have come out that General Practitioners (GP) may have to close doors, or increase patient fees to survive. The so-called ‘capitation’ funding review, which supports GP practices to survive, is under way, and primary care ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Closer Than You Think: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.

    Redefining Our Terms: “When an angry majority is demanding change, defending the status-quo is an extremist position.”“WHAT’S THIS?”, asked Laurie, eyeing suspiciously the two glasses of red wine deposited in front of him.“A nice drop of red. I thought you’d be keen to celebrate the French Far-Right’s victory with the ...
    5 days ago
  • Come on Darleen.

    Good morning all, time for a return to things domestic. After elections in the UK and France, Luxon gatecrashing Nato, and the attempted shooting of Trump, it’s probably about time we re-focus on local politics.Unless of course you’re Christopher Luxon and you’re so exhausted from all your schmoozing in Washington ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • How the Northwest was lost and may be won

    This is a guest post by Darren Davis. It originally appeared on his excellent blog, Adventures in Transitland, which we encourage you to check out. It is shared by kind permission. The Northwest has always been Auckland’s public transport Cinderella, rarely invited to the public funding ball. How did ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Tuesday July 16

    Luxon has told a Financial Times’ correspondent he would openly call out China’s spying in future and does not fear economic retaliation from Aotearoa’s largest trading partner.File Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Tuesday, ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Tuesday, July 16

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 16 are:PM Christopher Luxon has given a very hawkish interview to the Financial Times-$$$ correspondent in Washington, Demetri Sevastopulu, saying ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Tuesday, July 16

    Photo by Ryunosuke Kikuno on UnsplashTL;DR: The top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 6:00 am are:BNZ released its Performance of Services Index for June, finding that services sector is at its lowest level of activity ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The second crisis; assumption was the mother

    Late on the night of July 16, 1984, while four National Cabinet Ministers were meeting in the Beehive office of Deputy Prime Minister Jim McLay, plotting the ultimate downfall of outgoing Prime Minister Sir Robert Muldoon, another crisis was building up in another part of the capital. The United States ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • Can we air condition our way out of extreme heat?

    This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Air conditioning was initially a symbol of comfort and wealth, enjoyed by the wealthy in theaters and upscale homes. Over time, as technology advanced and costs decreased, air conditioning became more accessible to the general public. With global warming, though, ...
    6 days ago
  • Review: The Zimiamvian Trilogy, by E.R. Eddison (1935-1958)

    I have reviewed some fairly obscure stuff on this blog. Nineteenth century New Zealand speculative fiction. Forgotten Tolkien adaptations. George MacDonald and William Morris. Last month I took a look at The Worm Ouroboros (1922), by E.R. Eddison, which while not strictly obscure, is also not overly inviting to many ...
    6 days ago
  • Media Link: AVFA on the Trump assassination attempt.

    In this episode of “A View from Afar” Selwyn Manning and I discuss the attempt on Donald Trump’s life and its implications for the US elections. The political darkness grows. ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago
  • Law & Order: National Party 1, Police 0, Public -1

    What happened?Media is reporting that police have lost in their pay dispute with the Coalition Government.Some of you might remember that the police rejected Labour’s previous offer in September, 2023, possibly looking forward to be taken care of by the self-touted ‘Party of Law and Order’ - National.If you look ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the Trump shooting and a potential hike in fees for visiting the doctor

    Having watched Donald Trump systematically exploit social grievances, urge people not to accept his election loss and incite his followers to violent insurrection… it is a bit hard to swallow the media descriptions over the past 24 hours of Trump being a “victim” of violence. More like a case of ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Monday July 15

    The exploitation of workers on the national fibre broadband rollout highlights once again the dark underbelly of our ‘churn and burn’ economy. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:An extraordinary Steve Kilgallon investigation into ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Monday, July 15

    Photo by Jessica Loaiza on UnsplashTL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last three days to 9:00 am on Monday, July 15 are:Investigation: Immigration NZ refused to prosecute an alleged exploiter despite a mountain of evidence - ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • City Centre Rebuild: How Soon Is Now?

    Patrick Reynolds is deputy chair of the City Centre Advisory Panel and a director of Greater Auckland There is ongoing angst about construction disruption in the city centre. And fair enough: it’s very tough, CRL and other construction has been going on for a very long time. Like the pandemic, ...
    Greater AucklandBy Patrick Reynolds
    6 days ago
  • Peril, dismay, resolution

    This afternoon we rolled into Budapest to bring to a close our ride across Europe. We did 144 km yesterday, severe heat messages coming in from the weather app as we bounced along unformed Hungarian back roads and a road strip strewn with fallen trees from an overnight tornado. Somewhere ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Bullet the Blue Sky

    In the locust windComes a rattle and humJacob wrestled the angelAnd the angel was overcomeYou plant a demon seedYou raise a flower of fireWe see them burnin' crossesSee the flames, higher and higherBullet the blue skyBullet the blue skyThe indelible images, the soundtrack of America. Guns, assassinations, where-were-you-when moments attached ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Monday, July 15

    TL;DR: The top six announcements, rulings, reports, surveys, statistics and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the three days to 6:00 am on Monday, July 23 are:University of Auckland researcher Ryan Greenaway-McGrevy published an analysis of the impact of Auckland's 2016 zoning reforms.BNZ's latest Performance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s diary for the week to July 23 and beyond

    TL;DR: The six key events to watch in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the week to July 23 include:PM Christopher Luxon has returned from a trip to the United States and may hold a post-Cabinet news conference at 4:00 pm today.The BusinessNZ-BNZ PSI survey results for June will be released this ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • Was The Assassination Attempt Fake?

    Hi,It’s in incredible photo, and we’re going to be talking about it for a long time:Trump, triumphantly raising his hand in the air after being shot. Photo credit: Evan VucciYou can watch what happened on YouTube in real time, as a 20-year-old from Pennsylvania lets off a series of gunshots ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • 40 years ago, inside the crisis that made modern NZ

    It had rained all day in Auckland, and the Metro Theatre in Mangere was steamed up inside as more and more people arrived to celebrate what had once seemed impossible. Sir Robert Muldoon had lost the 1984 election. “Piggy” Muldoon was no more. Such was the desire to get rid ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #28

    A listing of 34 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 7, 2024 thru Sat, July 13, 2024. Story of the week It's still early summer in the Northern Hemisphere. The season comes as our first year of 1.5°C warming ...
    7 days ago
  • Unsurprising, but Trump shooting creates opportunity for a surprising response

    I can’t say I’m shocked. As the US news networks offer rolling coverage dissecting the detail of today’s shooting at a Donald Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, and we hear eye-witnesses trying to make sense of their trauma, the most common word being used is shock. And shocking it is. ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago
  • Escalation in the States as Trump is shot and his allies capitalize on the moment

    Snapshot summary of the shooting in the States belowAnd a time to remember what Abraham Lincoln once said of the United States of America:We find ourselves in the peaceful possession of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden for President

    I will do all that I can to see that President Biden is re-elected. Why? Despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump — a demagogue and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Questions from God

    Have you invited God into your online life? Do you have answers for his questions? Did I just assume God’s pronouns?Before this goes any further, or gets too blasphemous, a word of explanation. When I say “God”, I don’t meant your god(s), if you have one/them. The God I speak ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • The politics of money and influence

    Did you know: Four days ago, the CEO of Warner Bros Discovery (WBD), David Zaslav, opined that he didn’t really care who won the US Presidential election, so long as they were M&A and business friendly. Please share my Substack so I can continue my work. Thank you and happy ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Auckland & Transport Minister Simeon Brown's insanity

    Excuse me, but I just don’t feel like being polite today. What is going on with Simeon Brown? I mean, really? After spending valuable Ministerial time, focus, and government resources to overturn tailored speed limits in school and high fatality zones that *checks notes* reduces the risk of deaths and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Were scientists caught falsifying data in the hacked emails incident dubbed 'climategate'?

    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by John Mason in collaboration with members from the Gigafact team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Were scientists caught falsifying data in the ...
    1 week ago

  • Oceans and Fisheries Minister to Solomons

    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the region’s fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministers’ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government launches Military Style Academy Pilot

    The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Government’s plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. “On the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Nine priority bridge replacements to get underway

    The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“Increasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Update on global IT outage

    Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Zealand, Japan renew Pacific partnership

    New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.    “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says.    “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New infrastructure energises BOP forestry towns

    New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • 'Pacific Futures'

    President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests.    Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone.    Distinguished guests, it’s a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealand’s foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Delivering 24 hour pothole repairs

    Kiwis and freight operators will benefit from the Coalition Government delivering on its commitment to introduce targets that will ensure a greater number of potholes on our state highways are identified and fixed within 24 hours, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Increasing productivity to help rebuild our economy is a key ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Peer Support Specialists rolled out in hospitals

    Five hospitals have been selected to trial a new mental health and addiction peer support service in their emergency departments as part of the Government’s commitment to increase access to mental health and addiction support for New Zealanders, says Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey.  “Peer Support Specialists in EDs will ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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