Rush to Judgment redux

Written By: - Date published: 7:12 am, December 20th, 2019 - 151 comments
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Three months ago I posted this post and wondered if the media had rushed to judgment in relation to the allegation of sexual assault made against a Wellington based Labour Party staffer.

I expressed confidence in the statement by Council member Simon Mitchell that he was not told about the allegations.  He is an experienced lawyer.  When it comes to a situation like this I did not expect him to make a mistake.

The Labour Party retained Maria Dew to conduct a review of what has happened and her executive summary has been released.  Radio New Zealand has this summary:

The inquiry into the allegations of sexual assault made by one Labour member against another has cast major doubts over the accuracy of the chief complainant’s story.

It found “insufficient evidence” to back up the most serious allegations and ruled critical elements of the complainant’s version of events were incorrect.

It also said the complainant had since admitted providing “misleading information” to the investigation.

Further:

There were many discrepancies between what the complainants were saying publicly and what party officials said happened.

One of the most striking was a copy of an email the woman said she sent to party officials on a panel set up to hear the claims.

A copy of an email with attachments, dated March 2019, was given to media to show officials had been emailed details of the complaints, and so had been formally notified.

The officials involved still maintain they were never told about claims of a sexual nature.

One of them, Simon Mitchell, went as far as getting his computer forensically examined to prove he had never received that June email.

The report stated, on the balance of probabilities, “the emails Ms 1 sent to the Party on 9 March 2019, to both Mr Simon Mitchell and Ms Lacy, did not contain any attached document detailing her allegation of sexual assault by the respondent”.

The report noted that the complainant and the Staffer had been in a relationship.  

The Staffer has acknowledged that he had misbehaved and has lost his job.

I hope they are both OK.  My legal experience suggests that these situations can be very complex and the reality can be way more nuanced than what people think.  And a post event forensic analysis can conclude that an honestly held opinion about a past event is not a factually correct one.

The process has been exhaustive.

Twenty two people were interviewed.  From the report:

The complainants have each had an opportunity to review all the interview statements taken, so far as they relate to their allegations. The respondent provided his reply to all interview statements taken. The parties were also provided with all documents received by the investigation and had the opportunity to review and comment on those documents. Finally, they have each had the opportunity to review and comment on a draft of the full Report before it was finalised. 

It seems that the process is still bruising for some of the participants.  But the trouble was once the complaint became public there had to be a public response.

Serious questions should be asked about Paula Bennett’s behaviour.  And why she rushed to judgment and politicised this for political gain.  It seems clear that she milked this for all it was worth and did not care about the complainants.  They were collateral damage.

She kept asking about why Labour did not have a “victim led response”. With the benefit of hindsight hers was anything but.

Using the protection of Parliamentary privilege she smeared the Prime Minister, as well as senior staffers in her office, and basically went to town on them.  Serious questions need to be asked, like did she actually talk to any of the complainants and what was she actually told.

And will she apologise.

It would be good for the National opposition to leave behind Dirty Politics and get on with releasing their discussion documents and having policy debates.  This trashing individuals for political advantage is not only tedious, but it is damaging for all involved and ultimately it damages the political process.

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  1. Rapunzel 1
    20 December 2019 at 7:41 am

    I would just like to wish Nigel Haworth a Merry Xmas & a great New Year – he was the "Andrew Little" of this mess with his action to stem the way Bennett and others attempted to smear the govt and the PM in particular. No one put the welfare at more risk than she did and no one wishes them any harm or stress and it would never have been under public view with out Bennett pushing and pushing for that to happen

    • anker 1.1
      20 December 2019 at 9:59 am

      Yes I would like to wish Nigel Haworth a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year as well

    • Anne 1.2
      20 December 2019 at 10:12 am

      And what's more Rapunzel, he was a good president who put his life into the Labour Party. He did not deserve such an humiliating departure but with the conditions as they were a few months back – thanks to the rush to judgement by Paula Bennett and the likes of Newshub etc. – he had no choice but to go.

      I understand he is a deeply hurt man – who wouldn’t have been – but it is not in his nature to complain. I also know Claire Szabo visited Nigel before putting her hat in the ring. I'm sure it would have given him comfort to know someone of her calibre would take his place.

      These narcissistic politicans who inhabit the National Party don't give a dam about the damage they cause and the lives they destroy in their quest for power and control. The sad part is these types have been around the NZ political stage for decades and not always did they operate through the National Party. But that's another story waiting in the wings for its moment on the stage.

      • Rapunzel 1.2.1
        20 December 2019 at 11:19 am

        I always felt he was a good man, in this case his "hurt, discomfortm & personal injury", and I believe that there is some through no fault of his own is directly due to Bennett, Tova O'Brien & the Spinoff – it seems they are comfortable with that I hope they get the sort of Xmas they deserve and that his is far better than that. Also glad that the new president visited him during recent times I think that shows that the people who are worth it know exactly what sort of ugly game the Opposition plays

      • Ad 1.2.2
        20 December 2019 at 7:01 pm

        It was Ardern who publicly threw him under her leadership bus, not the National Party.

        • Anne 1.2.2.1
          20 December 2019 at 7:17 pm

          That's your trademark "negative" interpretation of the sequence of events.

          I don't know exactly what happened – nor do I want to – but I am quite sure the two of them had a no-holds-barred discussion on what needed to be done at that moment and came to a mutual agreement. Don't blame either of them. They had to take into consideration the well-being of the Party as a whole and they did.

          • A 1.2.2.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 7:24 pm

            Ardern's comments to the media about her confidence on Haworth on September 9th and 10th are a matter of public record, and it was of course the night of the 10th that he resigned to her.

            Ardern is only good when dealing with the most obvious crises.

            After that she just goes with the flow, damn Haworth's loyalty over decades.

            • weka 1.2.2.1.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 7:36 pm

              I would have thought one's party president needing to resign was a most obvious crisis.

              From the point of view of emotional and social intelligence in responding to the internal issues Labour had/have, she did far better than I would have expected from a PM. She's also got the capacity for ruthless, and in that light it seems a fair trade even if it was unfair on Haworth (let's remember the panel did fuck things up).

              • Ad …
                20 December 2019 at 7:47 pm

                Ardern doesn't come out any better on this. "Emotional intelligence" is code for here own orchestrated "trial by media". All involved in the investigation other than Ardern have walked or been chucked out.

                Ardern generated reviews of reviews until there were enough cracks to for the media to exploit . Ardern turned on her own rather than defend against Bennett.

                There's no justice in that, and in fact just redoubled the previous injustices such as they were.

                • weka …
                  20 December 2019 at 7:53 pm

                  You're missing my point Ad. I'm not talking about Ardern's wellbeing, I'm talking about things like whether Labour have changed or not. I think they have. Not enough, but not negligibly either.

                  You're focus will of course be on the politics of Labour and government. Mines is somewhere else entirely.

                  Regarding justice, I guess my expectations are lower than yours.

                  ""Emotional intelligence" is code for here own orchestrated "trial by media".

                  I used the term and I'll tell you that's not what I meant. Unless you are saying that Ardern's emotional intelligence is all a put on, in which case I would disagree.

                  • Ad …
                    20 December 2019 at 8:00 pm

                    We won't be able to tell whether Labour Party behaviors have changed or not. Even if they did, whether they would be attributable to anything here.

                    You knew what you meant by "emotional intelligence" when you used the term "ruthless" about Ardern's behavior.

                    This must be the very last time Ardern gets to stand as judge, jury and executioner-by-media. There can be no justice without just process, and Ardern made it worse.

                    • weka …
                      20 December 2019 at 8:47 pm

                      you think someone can't be emotionally intelligent and politically ruthless at the same time? That basically says that we can't have emotionally intelligent PMs.

                      Labour have already changed, just not in the ways you want.

                      "This must be the very last time Ardern gets to stand as judge, jury and executioner-by-media. There can be no justice without just process, and Ardern made it worse."

                      How did she make it worse? If a young Labour volunteer in five years time says to a senior Labour person 'I'm being sexually harassed by someone in a position of power within Labour', are you saying that Labour will handle it worse then than they did this year?

        • Kay Josephs 1.2.2.2
          26 December 2019 at 2:04 pm

          What a load of b/s a good man lost his job because of fake b/s and dirty politics ..the nats cannt do anything else but that What a disgraceful time in NZ politics it cannt sink much lower The nats never cleaned their own sewer up after JLR.they just swept everything under the carpet as they regularly do at our tax payers expense.

    • Lettuce 1.3
      20 December 2019 at 7:39 pm

      What happened to Nigel Haworth was very unjust, especially considering his National Party opposite Peter Goodfellow is a nasty scumbag with a domestic violence conviction to his name:

      http://www.kiwisfirst.com/goodfella-judges/

  2. Dennis Frank 2
    20 December 2019 at 8:36 am

    Bennett is irrelevant unless she intervenes again on behalf of the complainants. They ought to get better representation than her. The QC's failure to report on the truth or falsity of the testimony of complainant #1, particularly the file attachment to her email to Labour that the Spinoff journos reported that they saw, suggests she had no interest in the truth and creates the impression that she was engaged to sweep the issue under the carpet for Labour.

    Post-truth politics, I guess. Expecting credibility just makes me feel old-fashioned. Ah well. At least young folk will learn that you become a Labour volunteer at your peril, so the cloud has a silver lining…

    • I feel love 2.1
      20 December 2019 at 9:02 am

      I doubt a QC swept anything under the carpet for Labour.

    • Psycho Milt 2.2
      20 December 2019 at 9:14 am

      … suggests she had no interest in the truth …

      Seriously? Maybe you should drink less coffee or something.

      … the file attachment to her email to Labour that the Spinoff journos reported that they saw…

      1. A QC spent a lot of time investigating that question, unlike you who's read an article about it on the Spinoff, and put the results of that investigation into a report sent to all parties. If the report contained factual errors, the complainants would know it and so would the Spinoff's journalists.

      2. An email is just a text file – If I had your email address I could easily print out and show people an email with attachment that I sent you, despite never having sent you an email with attachment (not suggesting that's what's happened in this case, just pointing out that someone saying they've seen an email isn't proof of anything). It's also easily possible to send an email without the attachment you were supposed to attach to it – happens all the time.

      3. There are two alternatives here: either multiple people in positions requiring a high degree of integrity have lied about something, or the complainant's memory of events isn't 100% accurate. Occam's razor has something to say about which of those alternatives is more likely, but for some reason you're going with the less-likely one.

      • pat 2.2.1
        20 December 2019 at 9:24 am

        not to mention it was addressed in the summary

        "The complainant had given media a screenshot of an email and an attached document which she said she had sent to the Labour Party outlining her complaints of sexual assault.

        Ms Dew concluded, on the balance of probabilities, that document was not attached.

        The report also rejected the complainant's claim that she had outlined her complaint in person to Labour's investigation panel, saying that was "improbable" when assessed against the weight of other witness evidence."

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/405772/sexual-assault-allegations-against-ex-labour-staffer-not-established

      • Dennis Frank 2.2.2
        20 December 2019 at 10:00 am

        Well, let's see if the Spinoff resiles or not. Their reputation as investigative journalists may hinge on it. I doubt that they would have told us about verifying the file attachment if they hadn't actually verified it.

        As regards blind faith in the judiciary, and QCs, consider me a sceptic. I learnt from the Erebus saga. Change the computer program to direct the plane to fly into the mountain & kill 257 kiwis. No problem, said our judicial system, we won't even charge you with the crime. For slow learners, Cave Creek repeated the lesson.

    • anker 2.3
      20 December 2019 at 9:43 am

      Bennett has been grand standing on twitter, saying she is not going to give up on the sexual assault in Labour etc etc. Her twitter feed is mostly full of people very assertively calling her out over her role in this, telling her she needs to resign.

      So don't be surprized if Bennett doesn't let it go………………..

      • ianmac 2.3.1
        20 December 2019 at 10:15 am

        Bennett must be mad to continue. But I guess she can, like Dennis Frank, continue to deny the evidence knowing that neither Labour nor the QC can produce further evidence to refute the Bennett position. (Keep in mind the silence from Labour when National had their assault problems.)

        • Dennis Frank 2.3.1.1
          20 December 2019 at 10:17 am

          I'm not denying any evidence. Merely suggesting that the QC failed to provide it. If you believe she did, why not prove it?

          • ianmac 2.3.1.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 10:25 am

            Exactly my point. Neither the QC or the Labour Party can "prove it" because for the sake of the complainants the published report was the last word on the subject.

          • Rapunzel 2.3.1.1.2
            20 December 2019 at 11:46 am

            What the QC did was investigate and report her findings which was the allegations were not proven – that is the allegations of the complainant, not the spuriously termed innuendo as depicted by Bennett and some media they should never have even been given "air" in the way they were. She also did not run over the complainant, that Bennett & co had already chucked under the bus, and was not asked to, by giving any more detail than was necessary to explain her findings.

    • Anne 2.4
      20 December 2019 at 10:33 am

      The QC's failure to report on the truth or falsity of the testimony of complainant #1, particularly the file attachment to her email to Labour that the Spinoff journos reported that they saw, suggests she had no interest in the truth and creates the impression that she was engaged to sweep the issue under the carpet for Labour.

      That is poppycock Dennis Frank.

      You can be sure she reported exactly what she discovered. But, in the interest of protecting the young person /young persons involved, it will never be made public. And that is the right thing to do. It was clearly far more complex and nuanced than was originally known and it is not the aim of the Labour Party – especially under an empathetic PM like the one we currently have – to destroy the reputations of the complainants in particular who were caught up in it all.

      It was a sad chain of events made worse by opponents of Labour who used it as a stick to publicly beat them with. That is the real story.

  3. anker 3
    20 December 2019 at 9:55 am

    Reading the summary it seems Maria Dew felt there was no basis to most of the complaints, other than the guy making three sexist comments and being aggressive. This was on 5 occasions over 13 months. I imagine that in politics, people do get aggressive at times. That of course doesn't justify being aggressive or sexist of course.

    To me the whole thing has never really added up The complainant either didn't tell the full story e.g. she was in a relationship with they guy, to the Spinoff, or they chose not to include it in their story.The complainants texts and fb messaging around the time of the event seem not to be in keeping with a sexual assault having occurred. Critical details of the night of the event were incorrect by the complainant.

    I don't think it is that credible that she told the panel she was sexually assaulted. Labour had just had the experience of the summer camp assault and at least one of three (particularly the lawyer) would have taken notice of that. The complainant has also admitted she mis-lead the panel.

    The complainants complained that they didn't have enough time before the report was released. But it now appears they were given a draft to comment on. So they were given a reasonable indication of what would be in the report.

    I think the Sydney Morning Herald called it the best. I will link and re-post if I can.

    • Dennis Frank 3.1
      20 December 2019 at 10:11 am

      There were five complainants, so why ignore the other four? Also, the issue of mental health has been raised. Victims tend to suffer, and suffering gets in the way of clarity. Unsurprising if they get vague on details.

      They really need a competent impartial victims advocate if they want to take the issue further. I accept that the QC can only opine on the basis of established fact, but I do question how much effort went into establishing the facts.

      • ianmac 3.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 10:22 am

        I accept that the QC can only opine on the basis of established fact, but I do question how much effort went into establishing the facts.

        You cannot be serious Dennis.

      • anker 3.1.2
        20 December 2019 at 10:36 am

        Dennis all five complainants were interviewed. The complainant who alleged sexual assault didn't take the other four with her to the panel where she alleges she told Haworth et al about the assault. She appears to have gone on her own. So it is her word against three others. So three witness say they weren't told. One says they were.

        What would have been in it for Haworth et el to ignore the sexual assault clam? And we are talking about one on the panel who is a well respected lawyer? Who then went to the bother of having his computer forensically tested proving that he didn't receive the attachment. They had already had the experience of the Labour summer camp, so its just not credible that three such people would have received the attachment and then ignored the claimant telling them she had been sexually assaulted.

        Human nature means people have alls sorts of motivations and we will never entirely be sure of what they are for these claimants. And of course we will never know 100 % sure what the full truth of the matter is. The claims have been extremely well investigated. This includes Dew looking through 28,000 text messages between the complainants and the guy. I understand now why the young woman didn't take this to the police. I don't believe given the evidence that has emerged they would have pressed charges. Now all that is left for these young people is to get the help they need to heal and move on with their lives. Same for the man who was the alleged perpetrator. The only other option for the young people is to go to the police. As someone else said on another thread the police are better equipped to deal with these things. I found them to be exceptional many years ago when I experienced an attempted sexual assault. And more recently when I phoned them because the offender was never caught and I wondered if it was the guy who raped a young woman at a quarry as there were similarities to my case. They couldn't have been better and I was given victim support.

        [in the interests of clarity this is what the report said re the messages,

        “The investigation has also reviewed extensive documentation produced by the parties, including more than 28,000 Facebook messenger and text communications between the complainants, respondent and others during 2017 and 2018,”

        – weka]

        • Dennis Frank 3.1.2.1
          20 December 2019 at 10:47 am

          Fair enough. "28,000 text messages" No kidding??? A substantial can of worms, suggesting we ought to acknowledge the diligence of the QC, at least.

          • anker 3.1.2.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 12:05 pm

            Dew also said because of the messages from the complainant both before and after the alleged assault, that said messages didn't support the claim of the complainant. I am not quoting here.

            Seriously Dennis give some thought to reading the summary. Not because of commenting here. People are free to do that whatever. But because it is very interesting and thorough. It also turns out the complainants were given a draft to read over and comment on before the findings were published. So all this stuff about needing more time……..well. ………

            Sometimes I can't help but wonder if this wasn't a hit job on Labour. But I don't know that of course and it could be incorrect. More likely a love affair gone wrong and someone hell bent on making others pay.

        • anker 3.1.2.2
          20 December 2019 at 1:43 pm

          Thanks Weka.

        • weka 3.1.2.3
          20 December 2019 at 6:55 pm

          As micky said in his post,

          My legal experience suggests that these situations can be very complex and the reality can be way more nuanced than what people think. And a post event forensic analysis can conclude that an honestly held opinion about a past event is not a factually correct one.

          It's also possible that two people (or parties) can hold apparently contradictory beliefs about what happened with both being partially right and wrong.

          In this case, we don't know what happened. For me it's not necessary to know in order to have a political discussion, but how that discussion happens involves choices. I choose to not assume the complainants were intentionally lying (there is no evidence of that).

          I understand now why the young woman didn't take this to the police. I don't believe given the evidence that has emerged they would have pressed charges. Now all that is left for these young people is to get the help they need to heal and move on with their lives. Same for the man who was the alleged perpetrator. The only other option for the young people is to go to the police. As someone else said on another thread the police are better equipped to deal with these things.

          I'm glad you had a better experience with the police. Unfortunately this is not the case for many women, there is a long and very clear history of the police and justice system not dealing with sexual assault complaints well.

          To back up a bit here, there are a number of overlapping issues that needed to be looked at once the complaints had been brought to the attention of Labour.

          1. are there any issue of criminality?
          2. are there any issues of employment law?
          3. are there any issues for parliamentary services?

          4. are there any issues for Labour as an organisation?
          5. are there any issues for Labour in govt?

          I suspect there are others too.

          Each of those has their own complexity, and it's not as simple as saying it's either this aspect or the police. Many situations arise that are serious that don't necessarily mean the police should be involved. Because it might be traumatic for the complainants, or because better justice or redress can be had via other means.

          If the complainants decided to not go to the police, for whatever reason, there are still over avenues to use. The issue for me is what Labour as an organisation (and consequently as government) do in sorting out the various cultural issues they have internally. It's clear they have some, but I don't think this should be seen as Labour bashing, lots of orgs in NZ are like this (or worse).

          That Labour have fronted up this time and done a range of things bodes well. I'm not confident they've sorted out all the internal issues, but I do think they've done some important work on this and will continue to do so.

          We will never know what actually happened, and all the speculation about that detracts from the issues we can, as public, deal with: how a political party runs the various parts of its orgs in relationship to issues of safety, and allegations of abuse.

          • anker 3.1.2.3.1
            20 December 2019 at 7:34 pm

            There was definitely an alleged criminal act. If the police don't deal with this, then who should? Or in this case who should have. Given the complainant didn't want to go to the police, I think the duty of care for Labour given she met this guy in the context of volunteering for Labour was to ensure she knew she could make a complaint to the police and either supporting her to do so, or ensuring she had support. And to ensure she had access to counselling services. Labour also needed to investigate the other complaints of bullying and sexual harassment. We don't know yet what the internal investigation found about these complaints, but it is most likely that the panel set up to deal with the complaints didn't hear of the serious sexual assault.

            Employment law. Well the complaint wasn't made to parliamentary services, because although the guy was employed by them, the complainant wasn't.

            The alleged sexual assault happened in the context of a personal relationship in a private home. I am not sure how employment law or parliamentary services could be involved. its possible as it was being dealt with by the party, that parliamentary services didn't know about the complaint. I am not sure what happens to people who are facing criminal charges, whether their employer stands them down, but that should happen on a case by case basis depending on the charges.

            Are there any issues for Labour as an organisation? I am sure there are. We will find out once the final review is published.

            • weka 3.1.2.3.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 7:44 pm

              I wasn't focused on the sexual assault complaint in my list. I was focused on the people who came forward and told Labour there were serious multiple problems that Labour needed to address. I can't see how leaving out the sexual assault could be part of Labour's response, although obviously what Labour could do would be different if a criminal investigation was happening.

              At the very least, acknowledgement of the sexual assault complaint and how that would impact on their internal responses, should have been a core part of what Labour did. eg did they know how to engage processes when dealing with someone who is traumatised? Saying that it was police matter and not for Labour ignores the processes that were needed outside of the justice system.

              I guess the difference between our positions on the police is that you maybe believe that there is an appropriate avenue for people to report sexual assault. I don't. I think some people will go to the police and many won't. Because of rape culture. That's on society as a whole, and Labour, as law makers and governance, have a responsibility to get this right. If Labour can't manage this, then there's no hope for them running govt departments that do. Or writing good laws.

              So for me the issue isn't that they didn't go to the police, it's that this whole series of events happened in the context of rape culture, and how Labour handled things given that. I think by and large, given the bullshit from National, and their own internal issues, they did relatively ok.

  5. ianmac 5
    20 December 2019 at 10:36 am

    Anyway Micky, thanks for your clarification.

  6. McFlock 6
    20 December 2019 at 3:21 pm

    If you think that a serious complaint isn't being given proper acknowledgement by your party, I would actually recommend going to mps from another party (knowing what they are when you involve them, of course).

    And in this case, even though Bennett is an abusive ladder-kicking hypocrite her involvement did in fact get this issue thoroughly investigated.

    Even though the allegations weren't demonstrated, the fact is that there were multiple failures in process and the allegations deserved another (this time thorough) look.

    These failures were evident in the lack of record keeping, the lack of centralised communication in the original investigation (including with the complainants), the staffer continuing to work in contact with complainants while being investigated. Given their inabilaty to deal with the Labour youth camp incident at around the same time, this was a systemic failure by Labour to deal properly with internal complaints of misconduct.

    That having been said, with all the messages reviewed a simple resolution to the attachment issue would have been for the complainant to open her email sent messages folder with the QC there – few people have direct control over their email server, as opposed to screenshots. This might have been an oversight, or maybe it was not doable for some reason.

    But on the other hand, I'm always cautious when people argue that behaviour after an alleged incident indicates whether or not that incident took place. People act weird, and sometimes they just try to pretend or convince themselves it didn't happen, and try to ignore it and carry on "as normal".

    But at least now there's no question that the complaints were solidly investigated.

    • anker 6.1
      20 December 2019 at 5:56 pm

      McFlook "If you think a serious complaint isn't been given proper acknowledgement by your party, I would recommend going to a MPs of another party"

      Well that would be your perogotive to make that recommendation. But actually given the evidence points to the most serious complaint not being shared with the party, then its hard to criticise the party for not properly acknowledging something they were told of. The proper place for the allegation of sexual assault is the police. They will also organise victim support.

      Labour may have failed in how they investigated this complaint, but I will probably wait for the review to come out.

      • McFlock 6.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 6:17 pm

        The "proper place" is whomever the complainants choose to tell.

        In general, many people have legitimate reasons not to want to report a sexual assault to the police, while still wanting the organisation the assailant works for to address the assailant's behaviour.

        And it wasn't just one complainant, remember? Five felt that Labour hadn't adequately addressed their concerns.

        Labout failed in how they investigated these complaints. If the review comes out saying there is nothing they could have done better, then that review will be a whitewash. I've more thoroughly documented investigations into minor student misconduct than these people documented their communication with multiple complainants in the course of an investigation that could have ended up in criminal proceedings (they didn't know where the case would have ended up when they started looking into it – bullying and aggression at the very least can slide into an assault charge).

        • weka 6.1.1.1
          20 December 2019 at 7:02 pm

          yep. Young woman, making a complaint about bullying and aggression, multiple issues of institutional power differences. Lots of red flags that Labour didn't know what they were doing. Which I'm actually ok with so long as they fronted up afterwards and made it clear they're going to change, which they did (mostly).

        • anker 6.1.1.2
          20 December 2019 at 7:44 pm

          McFlock of course the complainant is free to talk to whoever they want to about the alleged assault.

          Yes I understand rape victims not wanting to take their case to the police.

          'And it wasn't just one complainant, five felt that Labour hadn't adequately addressed their concerns" . ……so we need to wait for the report to see how Labour actually did. Do said complainants now feel Labour has satisfactorily addressed their concerns? Probably not despite a very thorough independent enquiry, that didn't find in their favour.

          Sounds like one thing is clear is that Labour didn't document things well and this is a failing.

      • weka 6.1.2
        20 December 2019 at 6:59 pm

        "The proper place for the allegation of sexual assault is the police"

        No-one is under any obligation to take such an allegation to the police. Women are routinely damaged when they do. I get that people are pissed off by how Labour have been treated here, but that doesn't mean we should sacrifice victims of sexual assault.

        If Labour's side of the story is true, I can still see all sorts of issues with how they handled things. eg why did they meet with the main complainant on her own? Where are the transcripts from that meeting? These are basic things to get right.

        • pat 6.1.2.1
          20 December 2019 at 7:33 pm

          There may well be transcripts (that cant be released to protect complainants), and did they meet with a complainant on her/ own, would suggest the opportunity to bring support was offered ( would be surprised if it wasnt)…the whole problem with your argument is that you appear to ignore the rights of the accused…there are (at least) two parties that need their rights protected

          • weka 6.1.2.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 7:57 pm

            I haven't said anything about the accused so not sure where you got that from.

            From memory, there was no-one in the meeting between the main complainant and the panel, whose job it was to take notes. This was acknowledged when the story first broke. They didn't say "we have a transcript we are not releasing because of confidentiality reasons".

            • pat 6.1.2.1.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 8:01 pm

              Are you seriously suggesting that there was no transcript of an official inquiry?

              And no you havn't said anything about the accused…indeed the rights of the accused have been obvious by their omission…I doubt that would be the case should the roles be reversed

              • McFlock …
                20 December 2019 at 8:20 pm

                If there had been a transcript, then there would be no misunderstanding. Dew would be able to say that the complainant had mentioned a sexual assault, or be able to explicitly state that the complainant had received a copy of the transcript after it was made and had acknowledged and agreed with the contents, even though there was no mention of a sexual assault. Or, indeed, could identify the bit of the transcript where one party might have missed an ambiguous reference open to misinterpretation.

                Heck, in "official" investigations, both parties get duplicate recordings of the interview, for that exact reason: none of this "A claims to have said X, but B claims A said Y" bullshit.

                But there's no reference even to broad-stroke feedback at the time (A says "thanks for meeting us about issues W, X, and Y", B responds "I also mentioned Z, and that's a very serious issue"), let alone a "transcript".

              • weka …
                20 December 2019 at 8:23 pm

                "Are you seriously suggesting that there was no transcript of an official inquiry?"

                Afaik, when the panel and the main complainant met, there was no transcript. I will go look that up to check.

                "And no you havn't said anything about the accused…indeed the rights of the accused have been obvious by their omission…I doubt that would be the case should the roles be reversed"

                What roles? If you want to make assumptions about what my not talking about the accused's rights means, then you are in fact just affirming what I am saying there. That people are making up narratives to support their position. Otherwise you could have just asked.

                • weka …
                  20 December 2019 at 8:25 pm

                  He says they will today receive “the transcript of your statement to the investigating panel. I recognise that this is important for all of you.” No such transcripts appear to have ever existed. The handwritten notes that were taken are not provided for another 10 days to one complainant, and a further eight days later to another.

                  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/11-09-2019/timeline-labour-staffer-misconduct-inquiry/

                • pat …
                  20 December 2019 at 8:32 pm

                  what position? the position that justice is blind?

                  As said there are (at least) two parties that need their rights protected

                  • weka …
                    20 December 2019 at 8:50 pm

                    obviously. Yet here you are implying something about my argument based on your assumptions about me not having done something.

                    • pat …
                      20 December 2019 at 8:53 pm

                      what testimonies?…the testimonies the QC determined were 'inaccurate'…if there was no transcript she would be unable to determine such…unless you think she is involved in a conspiracy

                    • pat …
                      20 December 2019 at 8:56 pm

                      not implying …stating specifically….you are ignoring the rights of the accused

                    • weka []
                      20 December 2019 at 9:00 pm

                      “not implying …stating specifically….you are ignoring the rights of the accused”

                      thanks for clarifying. Do you mean ignoring in the sense of I haven’t said anything about them? Or ignoring in the sense that I am treating them as not important or real when making my arguments here? Because your implication is the latter, in which case I’ll just point out that you are making shit up (unless you want to link to where I have said they are unimportant).

                    • weka …
                      20 December 2019 at 8:57 pm

                      I said the transcript of the meeting between the panel and the main complainant. I don't know if this is the same as the testimonies that Shub are referring to. Do you?

                      There appears to be some confusion between notes and transcripts too, so perhaps you could clear up what everyone is referring to.

                    • pat …
                      20 December 2019 at 9:06 pm

                      the later…and it dosn’t become you

    • ianmac 6.2
      20 December 2019 at 8:49 pm

      "And in this case, even though Bennett is an abusive ladder-kicking hypocrite her involvement did in fact get this issue thoroughly investigated."

      Whoopty Doo! That would have been possible if Bennett had approached Labour to warn them of an issue. Not abuse across the floor of the House.

      • McFlock 6.2.1
        20 December 2019 at 9:53 pm

        Well, duh. But that's not Bennett's style, is it?

        Meanwhile, if the complainants hadn't gone to Bennett or the opposition in general, nothing would have happened and future complaints would have been handled by Labour in the same shonky way.

        The frog was foolish to give a lift to the scorpion, but telling the scorpion where the baby rats were hiding was a smart move by the frog.

        • weka 6.2.1.1
          20 December 2019 at 10:19 pm

          going to the media might have sufficed.

        • pat 6.2.1.2
          20 December 2019 at 10:31 pm

          never mind that two potentially innocent people have lost their jobs and been vilified

          • McFlock 6.2.1.2.1
            20 December 2019 at 10:54 pm

            Well, one guy who was an aggressive jerk in meetings and social events, and another guy who failed to adequately handle multiple complaints over the last couple of years, some of a very serious nature.

            No huge injustice there.

            • pat 6.2.1.2.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 10:57 pm

              oh thats ok then….according to McFlock

              • McFlock …
                20 December 2019 at 11:13 pm

                Look, Howarth might be a nice guy, but he fucked up badly and repeatedly. There's no way this issue should have escalated so badly and over such a long period of time.

                As for the staffer, even without the possibility of sexual assault his behaviour is mediocre at best. I think we deserve better than mediocre working in parliament, no?

                • pat …
                  20 December 2019 at 11:24 pm

                  so we publicly vilify and sack people for an uninformed opinion of mediocracy now do we?….fuck there'll be nobody left employed , yourself included

  8. ianmac 8
    20 December 2019 at 5:23 pm

    Spinoff 1 day ago.

    Complainants involved in the Labour Party inquiry into the conduct of a party staffer say they are “angry” and “disappointed” following the release of a report into their allegations. The Spinoff has spoken to some of the former Labour volunteers since the release of a summary of findings by Maria Dew QC into allegations of sexual assault, sexual harassment and bullying by a Labour staffer. Despite hearing from five complainants, Dew found that almost all the allegations were “not established”.

    So Spinoff is sticking by their claim that the poor girl has been wronged and the Labour Party and Adern have seriously failed to be just.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/worst-nightmare-labour-staffer-complainants-respond-to-dew-report/ar-BBY6HAA

    • ianmac 8.1
      20 December 2019 at 5:27 pm

      So the complainants can and should take their case to the police. They claim an injustice of serious proportions and they owe it to each other and the credibility of Spinoff to act! If not, why not?

      • weka 8.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 9:04 pm

        read some of the other comments. Going to the police with sexual assault allegations often damages women further. The system is highly biased against complainants. This is common knowledge in the public domain. Please stop talking as if this is not true.

    • weka 8.2
      20 December 2019 at 9:03 pm

      My reading of that is that they are reporting (in this case the response of the complainants). I don't see them taking a particular editorial line.

  9. Anne 9
    20 December 2019 at 5:55 pm

    Spinoff is covering its tracks. There's that thing called reputation and the potential for a bit of suing………..

    I note they fail to mention the fact that complainant #1 admitted to misleading the Labour hierarchy over one of her claims. It is also pretty clear the "attachment" containing the details of her complaint was never received by the recipients. That may well have been an inadvertent error on her part but, if that was the case, she would do herself no harm in admitting it. Most people can relate to such a mistake.

    Its looking more like the complainants are not seeing things very clearly yet and are blaming the wrong people. That was not the fault of Labour, but due to influences beyond them and they would do well to recognise as much.

    • weka 9.1
      20 December 2019 at 6:52 pm

      Actual wording,

      1. During this investigation, Ms 1 accepted that she had provided misleading information to this investigation and the Party about her email dated 9 March 2019, to the Assistant General Secretary of the Party, Ms Dianna Lacy. This was an email which Ms 1 had previously alleged contained an attached document with her report of the February 2018 sexual assault.

      When you use the word 'admitted', it makes it sound like she lied to Labour and then later came clean to Dew. I haven't seen anything to suggest that. It's possible that Dew is being diplomatic and the complainant did mislead knowingly. It's also possible that the complainant acted in good faith at the time but later acknowledged that she was wrong. We don't know.

      In the absence of knowing, what interests me most is the ways that people are choosing to interpret what is in the public domain.

      • anker 9.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 7:55 pm

        Yes but Weka, there is the issue of the complainant saying that she told the panel of the sexual assault and all three on the panel being adamant she did not. There is also her failure to mention to the spinoff she was in a relationship with the complainant at the time (or their failure to mention it). I think this information was relevant.

        Also the complainants complained that the weren't given enough time to see the report when it was released, when they were given the draft and asked to comment, so would have likely had a good idea of what would be in the report.

        I do understand that these young people feel they haven't been heard. I guess given there was no restorative justice on offer here, and given the complainant didn't want to go to the police, the way through for these young people is to process their emotions and experience within the context of good therapeutic relationship. This is where they have a good chance to heal. Not through the media as they attempted to do.

        • weka 9.1.1.1
          20 December 2019 at 8:08 pm

          "Also the complainants complained that the weren't given enough time to see the report when it was released, when they were given the draft and asked to comment, so would have likely had a good idea of what would be in the report."

          Maybe link to back up for that? I thought they were saying that they weren't given enough notice of the release of the report (told the night before).

          Yes but Weka, there is the issue of the complainant saying that she told the panel of the sexual assault and all three on the panel being adamant she did not. There is also her failure to mention to the spinoff she was in a relationship with the complainant at the time (or their failure to mention it). I think this information was relevant.

          There's also the issue that two subsequent emails referred to sexual assault and the panel didn't do anything about that.

          Some options. One is that the complainant is outright lying. No sexual assault, didn't tell the panel, manipulated the situation to do maximum political damage to Labour.

          Another option is that she was raped, was in a hugely problematic relationship with the man that raped her, all that had impacts on her mental health, was young and naive and didn't have good support. In the panel meeting she was highly anxious and unprepared, and referred to the sexual assault using language that made it easier for her, and the panel missed this.

          Both those scenarios are me making shit up based on minimal information in the public domain. I'll say again, that my position here is that we don't know, and that our political responses to the situation don't require us to know.

          That people choose to interpret the minimal information to support a specific narrative is a political choice.

          I do agree with you about the media. I have a pretty good capacity to think through various scenarios, but I'd struggle to think of many that involved trusting Paula Bennett. Or National.

      • Anne 9.1.2
        20 December 2019 at 7:59 pm

        When you use the word 'admitted', it makes it sound like she lied to Labour and then later came clean to Dew

        weka I intended no such thing!

        1) I was talking about Spinoff leaving out a significant fact as we understand it to be.

        2) I am inclined to think the young complainant "inadvertently" failed to send the attachment.

        You have read more into my comment than is there.

        • weka 9.1.2.1
          20 December 2019 at 8:09 pm

          I'm not sure I meant that as your intention Anne, rather than this was the impression I was left with from the choice of words. Thanks for clarifying though, because I think how we tell this story is important.

  10. xanthe 10
    20 December 2019 at 6:19 pm

    What I think actually happened here was some so called "investigative journalists" acted unethically and with malice to maneuver the complainant into agreeing with a seriously over egged version of events. Overwhelmingly journos and editors in this country are dishonest shits. altho there are of course a few genuine gems in there too. We need some public service media where these few genuine journos can ply their trade

  11. Billy 11
    20 December 2019 at 6:19 pm

    They should sue the Spinoff

  12. Sanctuary 12
    20 December 2019 at 6:20 pm

    "…

    "The complainant had given media a screenshot of an email and an attached document which she said she had sent to the Labour Party outlining her complaints of sexual assault.

    Ms Dew concluded, on the balance of probabilities, that document was not attached…."

    The bit in bold above is lawyer speak for "I think she is lying".

    'Nuff said.

    • weka 12.1
      20 December 2019 at 6:48 pm

      or, the sender thought it was attached, but it wasn't.

      I mean, how hard it is to be clear here? Was the screenshot of the *sent email? If it's as clearcut as some here want to make out, then why didn't Dew just say it plainly?

      • Anne 12.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 7:02 pm

        If it's as clearcut as some here want to make out, then why didn't Dew just say it plainly?

        Because she didn't want to distress the complainants any more than was necessary? It may well be in the body of the report which has not been made public.

        I'm coming round to the belief these young women were – at least in part – manipulated into the position they found themselves in. And the motivation may not have been entirely to do with their welfare – as xanthe has alluded to.

      • McFlock 12.1.2
        20 December 2019 at 7:02 pm

        This is another area where basic administrative communication methods would have clearly documented that the panel had received everything a complainant had intended to send:

        • send emails (cc'd to sec'y) after each meeting, outlining what was discussed and what was agreed, and asking if anything was missed;
        • acknowledge emails received, what attachments were received, and forward them to the secretary if the sec'y wasn't the initial point of contact;
        • encourage people to use the secretary as the point of contact for correspondence

        Obviously, make sure complainants are aware that the full panel will be considering the information provided, including in interview notes. Know how to make outlines that omit unnecessary specifics, but include all important subject areas. Give interviewees copies of all records of their respective interviews (and records of what they were given).

        • weka 12.1.2.1
          20 December 2019 at 7:08 pm

          exactly. The panel were clearly out of their depth for dealing with an issue like this.

          • McFlock 12.1.2.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 7:26 pm

            Thing is, they didn't get unqualified people to do the job. But they had an informal approach that to me indicates they viewed it as an informal job to suss out what was going on, have a chat with everyone involved, and quietly report back on issues that weren't very notable and weren't going to go anywhere else.

            Maybe at worst they thought it would lead to policy tweaks regarding behaviour and dealing with "person1 doesn't get on with person2" office problems, but it certainly wasn't documented like they thought it might go somewhere.

            But the problem with investigations is that you never know what they will turn into – that walk in the park might be a walk in a minefield.

            • weka 12.1.2.1.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 7:30 pm

              that's my impression. Plus, clueless about how the issues of sexual assault would impact in that. I just posted the snip from The Spinoff below. The subsequent emails named sexual assault as an issue. Whatever happened earlier in the process, that should have change the whole management right there and then.

  13. JustMe 13
    20 December 2019 at 7:10 pm

    I am so hoping Paula Bennett has destroyed what little credibility she had left due to her actions and Revenge Tactics.

    She has proven herself to be one without morals, scruples or even a conscience. All she was intent on doing was using others just for HER OWN political goals and aggendas.

    May Karmic Payback hit this undesirable piece of rubbish that is Paula Bennett hard from now on.

    It is likely Simon Bridges will of course keep his mouth shut and not reprimand her as he is probably intimidated by her. Either that or he is worried John Key will get him(Bridges)removed as leader of the New Zilland National Party and replace him with Chris Luxon.

  14. weka 14
    20 December 2019 at 7:24 pm

    The executive summary notes a disputed email exchange with the Labour committee initially tasked with inquiring into the allegations in March of 2019. It says Ms 1 / Sarah had “accepted that she had provided misleading information to this investigation and the party about her email dated 9 March 2019”. It is unclear what specific information this refers to. The report determines that “on the balance of probabilities, the emails … did not contain any attached document detailing her allegation of sexual assault by the respondent.”

    There is no reference in Dew’s report to the email sent to the Labour panel on April 26 which seeks “an update on the investigation” and stresses: “Just adding the seriousness of the situation here, an accusation of sexual assault, manipulation, bullying and emotional abuse.”

    Nor is there any reference to another email, dated June 11, sent to the three members of the investigation panel, in which the complainant directs them to “attached … notes of testimony”. The attached document, as previously reported by The Spinoff, contains clear reference to her allegation: “SEXUAL ASSAULT occurred February 2018”.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/18-12-2019/worst-nightmare-labour-staffer-complainants-respond-to-dew-report/

  15. weka 15
    20 December 2019 at 7:28 pm

    this too,

    When it was put to Jacinda Ardern by Newshub’s Tova O’Brien that complainants had told her they had been rebuffed when asking for the publication of the summary to be delayed, and that they stood by their accounts, Ardern said she would not be discussing “elements of the report”, but would “leave it as it stands.”

    She said: “We don’t want any more harm done by this situation … This process has poorly served everyone. Harm has been done to everyone involved. Now it’s time for us to draw a line in the sand and to try and get back to best practice, because that hasn’t been the case here.”

    She added: “It’s time for us to start trying to look after our Labour members … We know we can and must do better.”

    Nigel Haworth, the president of the Labour Party at the time of the original inquiry, resigned his position on September 11 after Ardern said she had been provided with “the correspondence from complainants written to the party several months ago”. Those documents, she said, “confirm that the allegations made were extremely serious, that the process caused complainants additional distress, and that ultimately, in my view, the party was never equipped to appropriately deal with the issue.”

    Two things stand out. One is subtext of the political expediency needed to draw a line under this so it's not being dragged out into election year.

    The other is that Ardern gets that there were major issues, in what happened originally, in how Labour handled that, and in how this impacts on the complainants. This is a good degree of honesty from Ardern that bodes well, and it's also clear that individuals won't be prioritised over the wellbeing of the party.

    • Ad 15.1
      20 December 2019 at 7:40 pm

      The only thing Ardern protected was her government. All others became part of the road.

      There is no way she didn't know – it's far too tight a town. Any claim by her otherwise is lies. The sequence of the offending was the talk of activists for months. And of course it was in her own office. FFS.

      • weka 15.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 7:49 pm

        From the perspective of shifting society on rape and abuse culture, Ardern is an asset. Maybe this isn't as important to you. That she is going to prioritise her party/govt seems normal to me in the context of our macho political system. I'm less interested in the Wellington rumour mill than I am in how society changes. It's a given that various people fucked up, and I'm sure Ardern is in that to some degree but I have no way of knowing. What she does in response I can see and have an opinion about.

        • Ad 15.1.1.1
          20 December 2019 at 7:55 pm

          How has Ardern advanced the shifting our society on rape and abuse culture?

          No one has been held to account.

          The whole thing has stayed within the Party rather than going to the Police – who are the only people who should determine if there are crimes to face.

          Ardern has just done cover-up by QC.

          • weka 15.1.1.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 8:19 pm

            It's the non-heroic stuff.

            That you and I can use the term rape culture, and that this is now normal political vernacular, is thanks to a long line of women that changed the narrative around how sexual assault is discussed.

            … after Ardern said she had been provided with “the correspondence from complainants written to the party several months ago”. Those documents, she said, “confirm that the allegations made were extremely serious, that the process caused complainants additional distress, and that ultimately, in my view, the party was never equipped to appropriately deal with the issue."

            Compare that to say Key shouting at the opposition that they supported rapists and then how the Speaker handled that when actual survivors of sexual assault stood up in parliament and objected. Key/National = zero responsibility, plus promoting rape culture. You can see the longer list here https://thestandard.org.nz/moving-on-after-fjk/

            Whereas Ardern said, yes, this is real, it's serious, people have been harmed, Labour handled it badly, we need to change. These positions are continents apart.

            "The whole thing has stayed within the Party rather than going to the Police – who are the only people who should determine if there are crimes to face."

            I'd encourage you do some serious reading on the reasons why women don't go to the police. From your perspective this is a legal issue, from the perspective of women who have been raped it's a survival issue, from a feminist perspective it's an issue of what is actually effective and meaningful. People who want the police to handle such matters should first ascertain that the police are capable often enough for that to be a valid suggestion and that women won't on the whole be further damaged in the process.

            • weka 15.1.1.1.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 8:20 pm

              another way to look at that is that rape isn't primarily a criminal issue for the survivors. It's an issue of damage and what can repair that. For some women that might be going to the police, but because the justice system is so roundly useless as sexual assault cases, it's just not true that the police is where women should go.

            • ianmac 15.1.1.1.1.2
              20 December 2019 at 8:46 pm

              Weka: "… after Ardern said she had been provided with “the correspondence from complainants written to the party several months ago”. Those documents, she said, “confirm that the allegations made were extremely serious, that the process caused complainants additional distress, and that ultimately, in my view, the party was never equipped to appropriately deal with the issue."

              Watch the time line. That was a long time after the alleged events. And Jacinda was shown those complaints belatedly and were not the complaints given to the subcommittee, which is the whole point of the enquiry.

              • weka …
                20 December 2019 at 8:52 pm

                what's your point there ianmac? Mine was that Ardern, unlike Key, had a better social response to rape culture. I'm not saying she's handled everything in the process well.

          • ianmac 15.1.1.1.2
            20 December 2019 at 8:38 pm

            Ad. "No one has been held to account. ."

            Everything that you have written is predicated on there being an offence/crime. If the events described did not happen then those handling the situation had nothing to fix. The 3 on the Labour sub committee were not told about a serious assault either in person or by email. So you cannot accuse them of mishandling.

  16. anker 16
    20 December 2019 at 8:26 pm

    Ad do you think the QC has covered up?

    The only person who can in all fairness go to the police is the complainant. Somebody else going to the police on her behalf is potentially damaging to the alleged victim and what we are advised not to do as potentially other people taking over could traumatise a victim.

    Unless you are disputing the QC's findings Ad there is no account to be held. The claims cannot be substantiated.

    Ad the whole thing hasn't stayed within the party. There was a rather graphic piece detailing the alleged assault on the Spinoff. The complainant did that.

    I agree that the only people who can determine if there are charges to face are the police.

    • ianmac 16.1
      20 December 2019 at 8:41 pm

      "Unless you are disputing the QC's findings Ad there is no account to be held. The claims cannot be substantiated."

      Yes but the critics are overlooking that there is no account to be held.

      • weka 16.1.1
        20 December 2019 at 8:54 pm

        Some of the complaints were established by Dew. This isn't a case of nothing having happened.

        • ianmac 16.1.1.1
          20 December 2019 at 10:16 pm

          Of course there were the complaints of bullying rudeness but they were dealt with. The man apologised but the level of bullying was not high enough to warrant legal response. No one denies that.

          But the whole issue was the seriousness of the alleged sexual assault. If the sexual assault could not be established, and that is what is in the report, then how could the subcommittee have dealt with it? And if the subcommittee was never told or written to about it, how could they deal with it, and that is the essence of the whole conflict.

          • McFlock 16.1.1.1.1
            20 December 2019 at 11:07 pm

            The man apologised but the level of bullying was not high enough to warrant legal response. No one denies that.

            If your level of tolerance as an employer is "an outburst that demeans or intimidates colleagues and volunteers every couple of months, but always short of criminal charges being laid", apology or not you're still a shit employer.

            But the whole issue was the seriousness of the alleged sexual assault. If the sexual assault could not be established, and that is what is in the report, then how could the subcommittee have dealt with it?

            With a process that used basic levels of documentation, for a start.

            And if the subcommittee was never told or written to about it, how could they deal with it

            Same as above

            • pat 16.1.1.1.1.1
              20 December 2019 at 11:13 pm

              Id suggest if you were on the other side of the equation you'd be the first to cry injustice

              • McFlock …
                20 December 2019 at 11:27 pm

                Well, I've never had to apologise for workplace bullying, but if I let an internal office problem fester so badly it resulted in questions in the House, I hope I'd have the decency to fall on my sword before I'm fired for gross incompetence.

                • pat …
                  20 December 2019 at 11:35 pm

                  and if someone erroneously accuses you of workplace bullying will you so fall…or will you defend yourself?

                  • McFlock …
                    21 December 2019 at 12:23 am

                    Except he wasn't falsely accused of bullying. That was upheld to the degree it warranted a reprimand and apology. On repeated counts over a fairly short term.

                    It might be "not sufficient to meet the
                    threshold for unlawful bullying" (as opposed to lawful bullying?), but it's bloody surreal that the QC can write:

                    1.34. There are five allegations of overbearing and aggressive conduct established but they do not amount to material breaches of the Constitution, Code of Conduct or the NZLP Bullying and Harassment Policy, and therefore do not warrant a finding of misconduct or serious misconduct.

                    So five counts of "aggressive or overbearing conduct" don't count as misconduct? If it's not misconduct, why recommend a warning letter, apology, and restorative justice meeting in relation to the five instances that were confirmed to have happened?? #logicerror

  17. georgecom 17
    21 December 2019 at 6:46 pm

    So after weeks and weeks of sensationalizing the story we are left with an independent report which doesn't substantiate allegations of sexual assault. The balance of probabilities is the appropriate measure for determining if such did or did not occur. Essentially the investigator is stating that once everything is weighed up it most likely did not occur. They prefer the word of those accused over the word of the accuser. All those who were quick to judge before this report was done should now have a good hard look at their conduct and be big enough to admit where they were wrong and admit they used the situation for political capital or cheap headlines.*

    *not that I am expecting the National Party or TV3 news to do so

  18. Chris T 18
    21 December 2019 at 7:03 pm

    Have to say while this thing was found to be nothing major, and the other dude at the Labour youth party with alleged multiple sexual assaults was apparently nothing major, and Meka Whaitiri was apparently nothing major (though she ended up ditched), there seems to be a lot of nothing majors in the Labour party with regards to abuse of power, assault and a bit of alleged weird sexual stuff.

    They might want to have a team meeting.

  19. peterlepaysan 19
    21 December 2019 at 10:32 pm

    Spinoff has been very curiously quiet about this story.

    Has anyone got any ideas why this might be?

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    Don’t you sometimes wish they’d just tell the truth? No matter how abhorrent or ugly, just straight up tell us the truth?C’mon guys, what you’re doing is bad enough anyway, pretending you’re not is only adding insult to injury.Instead of all this bollocks about the Smokefree changes being to do ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago

  • The longest of weeks
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Friday Under New Management Week in review, quiz style1. Which of these best describes Aotearoa?a. Progressive nation, proud of its egalitarian spirit and belief in a fair go b. Best little country on the planet c. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Suggested sessions of EGU24 to submit abstracts to
    Like earlier this year, members from our team will be involved with next year's General Assembly of the European Geosciences Union (EGU). The conference will take place on premise in Vienna as well as online from April 14 to 19, 2024. The session catalog has been available since November 1 ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Under New Management
    1. Which of these best describes Aotearoa?a. Progressive nation, proud of its egalitarian spirit and belief in a fair go b. Best little country on the planet c. Under New Management 2. Which of these best describes the 100 days of action announced this week by the new government?a. Petulantb. Simplistic and wrongheaded c. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • While we wait patiently, our new Minister of Education is up and going with a 100-day action plan
    Sorry to say, the government’s official website is still out of action. When Point of Order paid its daily visit, the message was the same as it has been for the past week: Site under maintenance Beehive.govt.nz is currently under maintenance. We will be back shortly. Thank you for your ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • DAVID FARRAR: Hysterical bullshit
    Radio NZ reports: Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has accused the new government of “deliberate .. systemic genocide” over its policies to roll back the smokefree policy and the Māori Health Authority. The left love hysterical language. If you oppose racial quotas in laws, you are a racist. And now if you sack ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • ELE LUDEMANN: It wasn’t just $55 million
    Ele Ludemann writes –  Winston Peters reckons media outlets were bribed by the $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund. He is not the first to make such an accusation. Last year, the Platform outlined conditions media signed up to in return for funds from the PJIF: . . . ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Weekly Roundup 1-December-2023
    Wow, it’s December already, and it’s a Friday. So here are few things that caught our attention recently. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt covered the new government’s coalition agreements and what they mean for transport. On Tuesday Matt looked at AT’s plans for fare increases ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    3 days ago

  • Shane MacGowan Is Gone.
    Late 1996, The Dogs Bollix, Tamaki Makaurau.I’m at the front of the bar yelling my order to the bartender, jostling with other thirsty punters on a Friday night, keen to piss their wages up against a wall letting loose. The black stuff, long luscious pints of creamy goodness. Back down ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • The Hoon around the week to Dec 1
    Nicola Willis, Chris Bishop and other National, ACT and NZ First MPs applaud the signing of the coalition agreements, which included the reversal of anti-smoking measures while accelerating tax cuts for landlords. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • 2023 More Reading: November (+ Writing Update)
    Completed reads for November: A Modern Utopia, by H.G. Wells The Vampire (poem), by Heinrich August Ossenfelder The Corpus Hermeticum The Corpus Hermeticum is Mead’s translation. Now, this is indeed a very quiet month for reading. But there is a reason for that… You see, ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    3 days ago

  • Forward to 2017
    The coalition party agreements are mainly about returning to 2017 when National lost power. They show commonalities but also some serious divergencies.The two coalition agreements – one National and ACT, the other National and New Zealand First – are more than policy documents. They also describe the processes of the ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    3 days ago

  • Questions a nine year old might ask the new Prime Minister
    First QuestionYou’re going to crack down on people ram-raiding dairies, because you say hard-working dairy owners shouldn’t have to worry about getting ram-raided.But once the chemist shops have pseudoephedrine in them again, they're going to get ram-raided all the time. Do chemists not work as hard as dairy owners?Second QuestionYou ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Questions a nine year old might ask the new Prime Minister
    First QuestionYou’re going to crack down on people ram-raiding dairies, because you say hard-working dairy owners shouldn’t have to worry about getting ram-raided.But once the chemist shops have pseudoephedrine in them again, they're going to get ram-raided all the time. Do chemists not work as hard as dairy owners?Second QuestionYou ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Finally
    Henry Kissinger is finally dead. Good fucking riddance. While Americans loved him, he was a war criminal, responsible for most of the atrocities of the final quarter of the twentieth century. Cambodia. Bangladesh. Chile. East Timor. All Kissinger. Because of these crimes, Americans revere him as a "statesman" (which says ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • Government in a hurry – Luxon lists 49 priorities in 100-day plan while Peters pledges to strength...
    Buzz from the Beehive Yes, ministers in the new government are delivering speeches and releasing press statements. But the message on the government’s official website was the same as it has been for the past several days, when Point of Order went looking for news from the Beehive that had ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • DAVID FARRAR: Luxon is absolutely right
    David Farrar writes  –  1 News reports: Christopher Luxon says he was told by some Kiwis on the campaign trail they “didn’t know” the difference between Waka Kotahi, Te Pūkenga and Te Whatu Ora. Speaking to Breakfast, the incoming prime minister said having English first on government agencies will “make sure” ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Top 10 at 10 am for Thursday, Nov 30
    There are fears that mooted changes to building consent liability could end up driving the building industry into an uninsured hole. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of the top 10 news and analysis links elsewhere as of 10 am on Thursday, November 30, including:The new Government’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on how climate change threatens cricket‘s future
    Well that didn’t last long, did it? Mere days after taking on what he called the “awesome responsibility” of being Prime Minister, M Christopher Luxon has started blaming everyone else, and complaining that he has inherited “economic vandalism on an unprecedented scale” – which is how most of us are ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • We need to talk about Tory.
    The first I knew of the news about Tory Whanau was when a tweet came up in my feed.The sort of tweet that makes you question humanity, or at least why you bother with Twitter. Which is increasingly a cesspit of vile inhabitants who lurk spreading negativity, hate, and every ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Dangling Transport Solutions
    Cable Cars, Gondolas, Ropeways and Aerial Trams are all names for essentially the same technology and the world’s biggest maker of them are here to sell them as an public transport solution. Stuff reports: Austrian cable car company Doppelmayr has launched its case for adding aerial cable cars to New ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • November AMA
    Hi,It’s been awhile since I’ve done an Ask-Me-Anything on here, so today’s the day. Ask anything you like in the comments section, and I’ll be checking in today and tomorrow to answer.Leave a commentNext week I’ll be giving away a bunch of these Mister Organ blu-rays for readers in New ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    4 days ago

  • National’s early moves adding to cost of living pressure
    The cost of living grind continues, and the economic and inflation honeymoon is over before it began. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: PM Christopher Luxon unveiled his 100 day plan yesterday with an avowed focus of reducing cost-of-living pressures, but his Government’s initial moves and promises are actually elevating ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Backwards to the future
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has confirmed that it will be back to the future on planning legislation. This will be just one of a number of moves which will see the new government go backwards as it repeals and cost-cuts its way into power. They will completely repeal one ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago

  • New initiatives in science and technology could point the way ahead for Luxon government
    As the new government settles into the Beehive, expectations are high that it can sort out some  of  the  economic issues  confronting  New Zealand. It may take time for some new  ministers to get to grips with the range of their portfolio work and responsibilities before they can launch the  changes that  ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    4 days ago

  • Treaty pledge to secure funding is contentious – but is Peters being pursued by a lynch mob after ...
    TV3 political editor Jenna Lynch was among the corps of political reporters who bridled, when Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters told them what he thinks of them (which is not much). She was unabashed about letting her audience know she had bridled. More usefully, she drew attention to something which ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • How long does this last?
    I have a clear memory of every election since 1969 in this plucky little nation of ours. I swear I cannot recall a single one where the question being asked repeatedly in the first week of the new government was: how long do you reckon they’ll last? And that includes all ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • National’s giveaway politics
    We already know that national plans to boost smoking rates to collect more tobacco tax so they can give huge tax-cuts to mega-landlords. But this morning that policy got even more obscene - because it turns out that the tax cut is retrospective: Residential landlords will be able to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • CHRIS TROTTER: Who’s driving the right-wing bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In 2023, ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • GRAHAM ADAMS:  Media knives flashing for Luxon’s government
    The fear and loathing among legacy journalists is astonishing Graham Adams writes – No one is going to die wondering how some of the nation’s most influential journalists personally view the new National-led government. It has become abundantly clear within a few days of the coalition agreements ...
    Point of OrderBy gadams1000
    4 days ago

  • Top 10 news links for Wednesday, Nov 29
    TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere for Wednesday November 29, including:The early return of interest deductibility for landlords could see rebates paid on previous taxes and the cost increase to $3 billion from National’s initial estimate of $2.1 billion, CTU Economist Craig Renney estimated here last ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Smokefree Fallout and a High Profile Resignation.
    The day after being sworn in the new cabinet met yesterday, to enjoy their honeymoon phase. You remember, that period after a new government takes power where the country, and the media, are optimistic about them, because they haven’t had a chance to stuff anything about yet.Sadly the nuptials complete ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • As Cabinet revs up, building plans go on hold
    Wellington Council hoardings proclaim its preparations for population growth, but around the country councils are putting things on hold in the absence of clear funding pathways for infrastructure, and despite exploding migrant numbers. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Cabinet meets in earnest today to consider the new Government’s 100-day ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • National takes over infrastructure
    Though New Zealand First may have had ambitions to run the infrastructure portfolios, National would seem to have ended up firmly in control of them.  POLITIK has obtained a private memo to members of Infrastructure NZ yesterday, which shows that the peak organisation for infrastructure sees  National MPs Chris ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • At a glance – Evidence for global warming
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Who’s Driving The Right-Wing Bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In ...
    Bowalley Road
    5 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • National’s murderous smoking policy
    One of the big underlying problems in our political system is the prevalence of short-term thinking, most usually seen in the periodic massive infrastructure failures at a local government level caused by them skimping on maintenance to Keep Rates Low. But the new government has given us a new example, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago

  • NZ has a chance to rise again as our new government gets spending under control
    New Zealand has  a chance  to  rise  again. Under the  previous  government, the  number of New Zealanders below the poverty line was increasing  year by year. The Luxon-led government  must reverse that trend – and set about stabilising  the  pillars  of the economy. After the  mismanagement  of the outgoing government created   huge ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    5 days ago

  • KARL DU FRESNE: Media and the new government
    Two articles by Karl du Fresne bring media coverage of the new government into considerations.  He writes –    Tuesday, November 28, 2023 The left-wing media needed a line of attack, and they found one The left-wing media pack wasted no time identifying the new government’s weakest point. Seething over ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • PHILIP CRUMP:  Team of rivals – a CEO approach to government leadership
    The work begins Philip Crump wrote this article ahead of the new government being sworn in yesterday – Later today the new National-led coalition government will be sworn in, and the hard work begins. At the core of government will be three men – each a leader ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • Black Friday
    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago

  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    6 days ago

  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago

  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • The stupidest of stupid reasons
    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago

  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
    Is COP28 largely smoke and mirrors and a plan so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel? Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: COP28 kicks off on November 30 and up for negotiation are issues like the role of fossil fuels in the energy transition, contributions to ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    7 days ago

  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    7 days ago

  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    7 days ago

  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago

  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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