Great post, sadly what goes on in Parliament is indicative of a general work place bullying culture in New Zealand. It really is a top down problem where a certain sector of society believe it is okay to target and harass expendable workers. There have ...
Great post Bill! But the cost of sanitary products is just one part of the overall problem that women experience during menstruation. Pain management is often problematic for women who can't afford to fork out money for over the counter pain relief. Some ...
Excellent OP Bill! Meanwhile a good portion of the sheeple confuse Liberalism with progressiveness. There's nothing progressive about such an individualistic doctrine.
Bill as I said we'll need to agree to disagree on this one. We are talking at cross purposes. But I posit that the reason the ideas that those two shit brains spout are not flourishing in NZ at least (besides the few dedicated nutters) is because the ideas...
Bill I never said they were 'free speech champions'. I disagree with your second paragraph and look at so called 'righteous intolerance' as a challenge to any ideas that cause harm to others. Do you suggest we just ignore them and their ideas and they'll ...
Bill, the concern with disseminating particular harmful and bigoted ideas is how that information then empowers similar overt bigotry (think Trumps America). The mainstreaming of these ideas normalises them. While YOU may not be harmed by the normalisation...
Bill, the problem isn't that she felt uncomfortable baking their 'fucking cake' but instead of saying sorry I can't bake your cake, she felt she had the right to impose her religious views upon them by using it as the justification for not baking the cake....
"OK I get it, it would be an unwelcome, unpleasant refusal. I can see someone getting a bit pissed about it. But truly if this was the worst thing that was going to happen to someone in life, you’d be a very very fortunate person indeed" I don't quite ...
"The point is that the baker was inactive on the basis of her religion and caused no harm to anyone and did not seek to impose her views on anyone else" Actually I think you are wrong, she did cause harm to the gay couple and by virtue all gay couples, ...
"However it seems you don’t believe this [sic] sort of views should be brought out in to the open Really? And your logic for that claim is...? Are you slipping Gosman? Your delusions are getting less convincing.
So do you suggest that we all say exactly what we think all the time regardless of the consequences that those words would have on others? I think that is what you are saying because otherwise we'd all be committing the sin of lying? If every person said ...
@ Red How would that have been a lie? It would have been the truth without alluding to the "because" bit. No lie, no harm. Instead the baker chose to make it an issue about their sexuality and therefore caused harm to not only the gay couple but all gay ...
"what about the attempt to publicly vilify these Christians whose honestly held and openly expressed personal religious believes have tripped them into the realm of legally defined discrimination? (At this point I’m assuming the facebook post was made by ...
"This is about people with a sincerely held religious view that’s expressed itself as discrimination in the eyes of the law, yes. Happy hunting" Wow Bill, are you talking about the same kind of religious views that justify the subjugation of women, or led ...
Wow that's some tangent...so your original claim required context, didn't it? Sure we all have capacity but the point is we are not born to believe particular things about others, we are socialised into those beliefs, behaviours and the subsequent actions ...
It would be great if you could quote where I specifically called the cake maker a 'hater' and if I did call her a 'hater' (which I didn't) how is that inciting hate? Babygaga perhaps you should take your own advice about reading comments before commenting,...
We are not born violent and we are not born bigots. We are born with certain innate qualities but we are not born to hate others. Violence is learned behaviour, as is bigotry. I think fear is a little more complex and relates to our survival instincts, ...
No, the intolerance is directed at the discriminatory behaviour of the cake maker not the cake maker as a person for any of her innate qualities. I have not read other comments, but for my own, I am not sure where you will find any comments that intend to ...
I'm not sure you know what a 'circular argument' actually is, regardless 'learned/socialised behavior is acquired after birth and will therefore differ depending on the culture/beliefs that one is born into, whereas 'human nature is innate and shared by ...
No it is not the reality of human nature, bigotry, hate and intolerance is learned/socialised behaviour, made worse when said behaviour is not challenged and condemned.
There's a marked difference between a gay couple and a neo-nazi couple wanting a swastika and you know it! Being gay in and of itself does not spread intolerance and hate. Neo-nazism on the other hand spreads intolerance and hate. Big difference between ...
The cake shop owner's discrimination is not justifiable no matter how polite she says it. How long before people start discriminating based on other non harmful characteristics, wrong colour, wrong gender, wrong religion, wrong political persuasion, wrong ...
The following linked article supports why freedom from hate is more important than allowing hate speech under the guise of freedom of speech. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/361301/hate-speech-more-than-just-an-unpopular-opinion
Gosman are you not engaged in your own attempt to silence and shut down 'free speech' or are you simply trying to prove that your ideological view is superior to that of others? Regardless, this is more than a simple debate about whether or not one can win...
Certainly feels like a warmer than normal winter in my neck of the woods, even local gardens and wild life are fooled into believing it's spring. I am not sure whether to apply the now popular ostrich syndrome that seems to develop with these types of ...
Ellie Mae O' Hagen over at the Guardian wrote an article that discussed the 'free speech vs hate speech' debate that is coming up in the comments. In a nut shell the article argues that rather than this being a simple 'freedom of speech' debate, it is in ...
Nothing surprises me about Labour politicians (or indeed most politicians). I've long suspected that the Labour party has been nfiltrated by wolves in sheep's clothing, been thinking that since Labour embraced Rogernomics with a passion. Still, if any of ...
D'Esterre "NZ has never been a racist society, though in the past it has had racist laws, now repealed. However, some argue that the Maori seats are an example of racism" While I understand that it may benefit you and those like you to hold such an ...
I think you will find that the Puao-Te-Ata-Tu (or any of the other articles I referenced) have a reasonable explanation about different types of racism. I can understand why institutional racism is still such a problem when people such as yourself continue...
Gosman do you not know? Perhaps you could read any of the following to get an idea: Ministerial Advisory Committee (1988) Puao-Te-Ata-Tu (Day Break), The Report of the Ministerial Advisory Committee on a Maori Perspective for the Department of Social ...
Looking forward to the ongoing publicity around this case actually as it will no doubt shed some light on why Jone's comments were anything but satirical. I would use many other r words to describe his comments, revolting, repulsive, rabid, radical, ranty,...
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