So you are gullible then? Well that settles that.
... gives a different picture than Groundhog gets and gives in this...
My comment was my opinion. A well informed one at that.
In case you missed it, this discussion is about the issue of the placement of Maori children. Ethnicity is therefore an issue.
"oh dear, muriel newman? " It's not Muriel Newman. It is the the report of the Expert Panel on Modernising CYF. But I guess you won;t let the facts get in the way of a good dose of ignorance eh?
"skin colour??? what has that to do with anything " So you're not following the conversation?
It takes a particularly deep form of delusion to: 1. Not see that a deal must have been done to bring this decision by the Greens, and 2. To not see the screaming hypocrisy of this deal, given past criticism of the same type of 'deals' done by National and...
No, it isn't. http://www.nzcpr.com/report-lifts-covers-on-child-abuse/ "Children being returned from care placements back into the care of their biological parents in their dysfunctional homes in 2010 were 23 times more likely to be abused than children ...
"Children being returned from care placements back into the care of their biological parents in their dysfunctional homes in 2010 were 23 times more likely to be abused than children who remained with unrelated carers. Children being returned to family or ...
Do indigenous rights include being moved from one abusive family into another, simply because of skin colour?
"Maybe check out that search I recommended earlier so you can get up to speed with the REAL issues not the made up ones." I did. You aren't getting to grips with my point, so it will be hard for you to remain relevant.
"“whanau” is a race-neutral term?" Indeed. " there’s evidence that families of different races living in NZ can be unsafe custody for at-risk children" Indeed. This isn't a race debate.
The current law that determines the priorities for decisions around placing children from abusive families.
Yes, your wording is better, thanks.
No it doesn't. Children get abused in whanau care. Children are placed in danger because 'best case whanau' are given priority over 'better case' wider community care. The system is broken, the agency is broken, the law is broken.
"Does the existing law “put children in culturally appropriate care” where it’s known to be not safe for the child?" The existing law makes that a possibility, yes.
Indeed.
Keeping children as part of their culture may be admirable, but not if it condemns them to further abuse. My line of argument makes absolute sense.
No-one is trying to 'take' your tamariki. The issue is that some tamariki end up in abusive families by fiat of the state because of a law that leaves no option.
Possibly. But there is still something perverse about a law that enforces abuse, rather than provides wider options.
I didn't specify by race.
...with the emphasis on 'safe'. There are cases where the current law has led to children being placed with decidedly 'unsafe' whanau.
I invite you to read the proposed legislation. No-one is advocating removing people from their culture. But the present law has resulted in children being placed at risk simply because of a misguided view that close family ties are more important than a ...
Are you seriously suggesting calling someone 'disgusting' is abuse? Have you read most of OAB's posts? [I wasn't referring to 'disgusting'. Take a week off for wasting moderator time and refusing to take notice of the Policy. Fwiw, I am looking at patterns...
This event has nothing to do with politics. If you don't understand that, you need to consult a dictionary. This is a business, just like any other. If they are found culpable, they will be rightly punished. In the meantime, there are four people dead.
A fairly good idea based on media reports. The same media you don't trust when they say anything you disagree with. I don't know who's to blame for this tragedy. I do know that it is utterly disgusting to make a political point out of it so soon.
Discuss what? The death of four people for reasons yet unknown? The presumption and frankly sick politicking in the post? Kate Goodchild, Luke Dorsett, Roozi Araghi and Cindy Low. Read out their names.
There is no political point, unless you are the sort of sicko you obviously are.
Remember at this stage there are grieving families and no-one knows yet the cause. This is the worst of left wing dirty politics playing out on the lives of the innocent. What scum.
I am not defending anything. My point was the timing of the post, given the dead haven't even been buried. Do you have anything constructive to add on that?
"The whole action of the business was political." Rubbish. It is a theme park. It is a business. You have no idea what even caused the deaths yet. You too are disgusting, dancing on the graves of the innocent. [you've already attacked an author. If you ...
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