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Shock horror, National is telling fibs about Labour’s Industrial Relations policy

Written By: - Date published: 8:00 am, June 27th, 2018 - 102 comments
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National is still trying to find this Government’s weaknesses.

It is that desperate it is going back to techniques that worked well back in 1975. It is attacking Labour over Industrial Relations and strike action.

The reality is that the attack is tenuous.

Sure there has been much more talk about strikes than there has been for a number of years. Workers who after a decade of cost accounting approaches to wage increases think that the new Government will be more receptive to the idea of giving them wage increases. So of course there is greater interest.  There is a lot of pent up pressure for wage increases.

But National is that desperate it is getting to the stupid stage of its analysis. And the dishonest.

Take for instance this from Radio New Zealand:

National leader Simon Bridges claims New Zealand has had more strikes and threats of industrial action under the present government than during the previous National government’s entire nine years in power.

National is keen to paint the current government as union-friendly – and said that meant more strikes.

Mr Bridges said that in under nine months, 32,000 workers had either been involved in industrial action or signaled an intention to do so.

He said this number far exceeded the 27,000 workers who took part in strike action during National’s three terms in power.

“This is remarkable. In nine months under this government we’ve seen more strikes in terms of people out there wanting to do it and doing it, than we saw in nine years under a National-led government,” Mr Bridges said.

His claims are reinforced by this tweet:

But let’s analyse the detail.  National is claiming that more workers have gone on strike OR indicated they may go on strike during this term than went on strike during the last Government’s term.

This is like saying because the number of homeless kids under this Government AND the number of kids who do not own Xboxes is greater than the number of homeless kids there were under the last Government things are getting worse.

Surely you say this cannot be true.  Well Alex Braae at the Spinoff has looked at the figures and shown cases where threatened but called off strike action has not been included in National’s figures.  He also identifies a strike that did occur, Junior Doctors in 2016, that has not been included in National’s analysis.  So the analysis is sloppy as well as comparing different things.

This is the sort of thing that you say when you sacrifice all pretence to wanting the support of people who understand statistics and only want the support of people who hate unions.

But this is not an unfortunate lapse of concentration on the part of National. It appears to be a design feature.

Because National came out with this tweet yesterday.

And Te Reo Putake had the perfect response.

TRP is dead right.  The problem is that National’s use of the video is, to use that word you use when you want to say something even stronger, disingenuous.

Jacinda Ardern did not give a “rock solid guarantee” there would be no national strikes.  She said there would be no national strikes as a result of the introduction of Labour’s proposed Fair Pay Agreement collective bargaining system.  Here is the video if you need proof (at 59:05).

Labour has consistently said that strikes and lockouts will be banned during bargaining negotiations under the Fair Pay Agreement collective bargaining system.

The discussion actually went like this.  The bolded words are the words that National trimmed from its video.

Hosking: In these one to two of these [negotiations] per year will you go back to seeing national strikes in an Industry

Ardern: No, no, we will not

Hosking: And that is a rock solid guarantee

Ardern: Yes, no we will not

National took Ardern’s comments out of context and actually shaved some of Mike Hosking’s words off to change completely the meaning of what was said.

And compare what was actually said to the contents of National’s tweet.  National’s social media gurus have taken Jacinda’s comment totally out of context and then misrepresented it.

Maybe they are that stupid they truly did not understand.  Maybe not.

So what sort of political discourse are we going to haven Aotearoa New Zealand?  One where the right and the left throw ideas at each other and rely on the good sense of the community at large to determine who should be trusted?  Or one where one side tells fibs and distorts?

Judging by National’s behaviour over the strike data the chances of an informed contest of ideas are not good.

102 comments on “Shock horror, National is telling fibs about Labour’s Industrial Relations policy”

  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

    If the National Party told the truth about their policy agenda people would question why they’re advocating a slow civil war.

    Of course they have to lie about it.

    • Gosman 1.1

      A slow civil war???

      • ropata 1.1.1

        Yes by dividing the nation into haves/have nots. Vilifying the poor. Selling out to foreigners and corporates. Working for the 1% and using dirty politics to split the 99% against each other. Importing 500000 foreigners in 10 years and pushing Kiwis out of housing and welfare.

        The Nats are dangerous parasitic class of selfish fuckwits who will stop at nothing to regain power. Lying and disdain for democracy is their MO and shit for brains Nat sycophants lap it up

        • Gosman 1.1.1.1

          Then pretty much the entire planet is in the midst of this slow civil war. How’s it working out for you?

          • ropata 1.1.1.1.1

            I am fine but poorer NZers are not. Class war is real.

            • Gosman 1.1.1.1.1.1

              If you’re stuck in a 1930’s mindset.

              • ropata

                Don’t get out much do you? We have been heading back that way for decades

              • Tricledrown

                Goose man your stuck in Fuedal times
                Dickensian times.
                If not for 1930’s labour /labor movements your education would not reached very high levels.
                You wouldn’t be a landlord so you would be a serf.

              • R.P Mcmurphy

                class warfare has been going on since the priest first seized control 5,000 years ago. the thirties were just an expression of the same impulse to drive the workers into the dust. if your comprehension of history only goes back eighty years then you should bone up on reality.

      • R.P Mcmurphy 1.1.2

        Yep.

  2. Sabine 2

    Simon Bridges and the No mates Party lying. Who would have thought.

  3. Ross 3

    Its worth noting that there are restrictions now on when strikes (and lockouts) can legally take place. For instance workers in an essential industry cannot strike unless the correct notice has been given. Workers cannot strike if such action is being taken within 40 days of negotiations beginning, or theres a current collective agreement etc. The suggestion that workers can strike when they feel like it is a Tory myth.

    https://www.employment.govt.nz/starting-employment/unions-and-bargaining/strikes-and-lockouts/

  4. Ross 4

    Gordon Campbell makes the point that strikes are a last resort, not that you would know that by listening to Simple Simon.

    http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/06/gordon-campbell-on-nationals-deliberate-fear-mongering-about-strikes-and-industrial-action/

  5. Bill 5

    Am I reading the general thrust of this post correctly?

    The argument seems to be that workers aspirations need to be kept in check, and that NZ Labour will be the equal of National in that endeavour…and that that’s a good thing!

    I don’t understand this universe that would have us approve of NZ Labour putting even more proscriptions around industrial action.

    • adam 5.1

      Thanks Bill, I was reading this getting quite a sick feeling. It’s like the nat’s can lie, but it takes labour to keep workers into line.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.2

      +111

    • mickysavage 5.3

      Not at all. The article is about the extended spin National is relying on to bolster its claims and how their claims are untrue. Nothing more should be read into it.

      The post says “[t]here is a lot of pent up pressure for wage increases”.

      • Bill 5.3.1

        I fully get that the dominant theme’s meant to be about the lies of the National Party.

        But when lies are illustrated by mounting a defence around labour (the work force) having engaged in no more industrial action under NZ Labour than under National, and neutrally pointing to NZ Labour being in the throes of proscribing strike action around national awards, well…

        it’s fighting a losing fight on terms set down by an opposition that just reinforces a basic idea they peddle – ie, industrial action is bad.

        The National Party are disingenuous scum.
        Workers aren’t taking industrial action to improve their lot.
        NZ Labour are passing legislation to proscribe industrial action.

        Decry, lament and condemn.

        • Ross 5.3.1.1

          NZ Labour are passing legislation to proscribe industrial action.

          But as I explained above, there are already limits around when and how industrial action can be taken now and that applies to employees and employers.

          Workers aren’t taking industrial action to improve their lot.

          What then are they taking industrial action over, if not to improve their lot?

          • Bill 5.3.1.1.1

            I know NZ has highly restrictive Labour Laws. Are you saying that adding another layer of proscription is okay? Surely not.

            Second cut and pasted quote’s kinda cute. Pretty damned sure you understood the intended meaning of what I wrote.

            • Ross 5.3.1.1.1.1

              Another layer of proscription? We already have laws around when workers can and cannot strike so I’m not sure it’s another layer. It seems entirely reasonable that employees shouldn’t strike, or be locked out, while negotiating in good faith. An entire section of the ERA talks about good faith. It’s pretty important.

              I know NZ has highly restrictive Labour Laws.

              I have no idea what those are but it’s a line that employers use now and again. And, no, I don’t know what you meant.

        • mickysavage 5.3.1.2

          My perhaps foggy memory is that strikes during award negotiations were illegal.

          The post is not meant to say this is right or wrong. It is to point out that what National has been saying about labour’s position is demonstrably wrong.

          • marty mars 5.3.1.2.1

            Yes I read the post as being about the lies of the gnats and how desperate for traction they are rather than a critique of policy itself.

      • Michelle 5.3.2

        The problem is Mickey they got away with the spin for so long they think they can continue with the same old bull but finally the light has come on for some of our fellow kiwis hooray! . Unfortunately we still have too many that vote and think only about themselves rather than what is better for our country.

  6. Anne 6

    The Muldoon play-book between 1975 and 1984 is back in vogue. Scare tactics, lying, cheating, demonising and bullying were the hall marks of the Muldoon leadership.

  7. Kat 7

    Its quite clear and has been for many years, National will do and say anything to be in power and keep Labour out of power. That is what the National party is increasingly all about and running the country prosperously for all is a game plan to be avoided at all cost.

  8. Draco T Bastard 8

    Or one where one side tells fibs and distorts?

    National (and the right-wing in general) has to lie else very few would vote for them.

    Their actual policy goals are actually that bad for the majority of people. Follow National’s policy prescriptions and they will collapse society by creating ever more poverty and deprivation.

    • indiana 8.1

      You are absolutely right! After Labour took office the number of people living in cars dried up overnight…no more stories are being shopped to the media because there are no stories to push.

  9. Chris T 9

    Tis pretty funny, but please don’t tell me that out of the two major parties only National manipulates facts to push their message in opposition as that would be a bit silly.

    Or in power, to be frank, but to a lesser degree, as more analysis of their claims is done

    • Nick 9.1

      Chris…..’manipulated’ “facts” you say….. so the Natz edit into a lie, but you still read it as a “fact”?

  10. marty mars 10

    Yep TRP was correct – maybe he could do a guest post as he is very knowledgeable about this as are you Mickey 😁

    The gnats have kept their boot on the throat of the worker for nine long tears (apt typo) and it makes sense that when that pressure is taken off, it takes a while to regain equilibrium. As someone who has benefited, by the strong labour-union relationship, over recent weeks, I still have heaps of hope that any action will be quick and effective.

    • gsays 10.1

      You and I, both, are hoping for a swift resolution.
      The nurses started negotiating with the previous national regime, hence the industrial action now.

  11. James(uncommon) 11

    I started writing more but basically: shit like this works on the selfish, lazy citizens (the majority).

  12. veutoviper 12

    As well as the link to the RNZ Checkpoint item last night on National’s claims, it is well worth listening to the earlier RNZ Morning Report interview with Winston Peters:

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/360415/peters-on-strike-action-they-know-we-ll-listen

    The first half of the exchange on Bridges’s Question 2 to Peters, as Acting PM, also gives context to the later Checkpoint item, with both the Speaker and Peters batting away Bridges’ claims with ease. Again, Bridges’ questions/claims take some issues out of context – eg JA;s statement about nationalwide strike action and Peters reiterates his earlier remarks on Morning Report:

    Video https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=201091

    Hansard https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20180626_20180626_12

    (In the second half of Q2, Peters’ strong defence of David Parker vis a vis Bridges’ question about Parker’s relationship with Darby is interesting as is his challenge to Bridges to make the claims outside of Parliament. LOL)

    • mickysavage 12.1

      Thanks VV. Peters’s treatment of Bridges is masterful!

      • patricia bremner 12.1.1

        Winston’s empathy for repressed workers’ hopes for improved conditions and pay came across clearly, as did his belief in negotiation and fairness.

        Sadly “fairness” is not in the Nat rule book, being devious and causing dissension is

        This twisting phrases out of context is a stupid ploy, as the internet quickly allows comparisons, to Bridges detriment.

        Thanks V.V. If Bridges thought he could dent the PM through attacking the Acting PM, he has had a harsh lesson. Bennett’s eye rolling LOL LOL. doesn’t help Simon

    • Gabby 12.2

      I look forward to Slick’s explanation when Soozie asks him why he lied.

    • Kevin 12.3

      The interesting thing for me about the one sided verbal joust in Parliament was Paula Bennett.

      She started off all smiles and as each minute passed the smile disappeared bit by bit to the point where she was probably mentally saying, “Simon, shut the fuck up”.

      Bridges was no match for Winston. who was clearly disappointed at the level of discourse.

      I hope Bridges stays as National leader for a very long time.

  13. Ad 13

    Arguing against pay increases for tens of thousands of New Zealanders is moronic.

    Excluding the top 3%, we all need to be paid more.

    Great that we still have our biggest remaining union – the state – now willing to really shell out.

  14. Enough is Enough 14

    You are very defensive about the National Party.

    I would rather ignore them and focus on the things the government are doing (good or bad).

    Talking about National on a daily basis gives them (and their lunatic mates) oxygen. Lets just suffocate them.

    • ropata 14.1

      It’s not a few bloggers giving the Noxious Party oxygen it’s the whole MSM, 45% of the electorate, and a fuckton of wealthy foreign sponsors.

      That’s why fringe dwelling troglodytes like TS are an important counternarrative

    • Gabby 14.2

      Especially when they’re being dicks right nuffy nuffy?

  15. Baba Yaga 15

    “National is still trying to find this Government’s weaknesses.”

    Really? I’ll help out. This government is incompetent, dishonest, weak and destructive to the economy. There. Where do I send the bill?

    • rod 15.1

      Baby Yappa, it’s about time you changed your nappies, your shite is endless.

    • Stuart Munro 15.2

      Try Key’s mansion in Hawaii.

      This government is infinitely better than the pathetic shambling morons presently occupying the opposition benches.

      The only thing they’re doing wrong is not rejecting the errors of the previous government forcefully and in their entirety.

      The worst government in NZ history has made a hell of a mess – it’s going to take a while to clean it up. Future messes could be prevented by incarcerating sources of corruption like Joyce, Collins, and Brownlee.

      • Draco T Bastard 15.2.1

        Future messes could be prevented by incarcerating sources of corruption like Joyce, Collins, and Brownlee.

        It’s becoming necessary that, when a government passes policy that they’re advised will be bad for the nation, that they all to go to jail when it becomes clear that what they were advised would happen actually happens.

        The advice can come from anywhere.

        • Stuart Munro 15.2.1.1

          Yes, it’s most unfortunate, but the current crop of Gnats’ loyalty no longer plausibly resides with our country. They act against the national interest to enrich themselves. And they’ve been quite happy to lie in pursuit of their goals. Such people are not fit to be in parliament, much less to govern.

      • patricia bremner 15.2.2

        + 1000% Stuart. This Government is changing or working towards changing many terrible known ills and a few hidden ones as well.

        The contrast is huge. As I said, when did the press last applaud a politician from the left? Jacinda has broken new ground at such a rate Bridges etc are floundering in her wake. They have “made stuff up” to try to cause a problem.

        Someone should have told them “Don’t throw shit into the wind!!”

        • Baba Yaga 15.2.2.1

          “Jacinda has broken new ground…”

          In failing to show leadership against incompetent and corrupt ministers.

          In failing to consult with industry when making decisions that critically effect them.

          In failing to maintain business confidence.

          In failing to maintain industrial harmony.

          In failing to protect NZ’ers from rising price inflation.

          In fact in failing at just about everything.

          • Stuart Munro 15.2.2.1.1

            Poppycock.

            She has shown strong leadership against corrupt ministers – by removing the previous government, who were comprised of nothing else.

            She has consulted with industry.

            If business confidence is so fragile it can’t survive enforcement of industrial laws, some of the incompetents need to find a new line of work.

            Yes price inflation is an issue – strong regulation is the answer – your seedy business mates won’t like it a bit.

            Infinitely better in every respect than the vile backward repressive troupe of gibbering buffoons under whose incompetent leadership NZ stagnated for most of the last decade.

            • Baba Yaga 15.2.2.1.1.1

              “She has shown strong leadership against corrupt ministers – by removing the previous government…”
              You mean she rigged the election!!??
              What has she done about Clare Curran? David Clark? Kelvin Davis?

              “She has consulted with industry.”
              The oil and gas industry? Nah.

              “If business confidence is so fragile it can’t survive enforcement of industrial laws, some of the incompetents need to find a new line of work.”
              It’s not that, it’s the constant flip-flopping, the mixed signals, the economic illiteracy.

              “Yes price inflation is an issue – strong regulation is the answer – your seedy business mates won’t like it a bit.”
              So your government has stuffed up the economy and now you advocate regulation to fix it!

              Incompetent, inept, corrupt. Labour NZ.

        • Stuart Munro 15.2.3.1

          Disgruntled former employees from the sleazy Coleman administration trying to strong arm the new minister. If there were any substance to it their avenue would be the police, not the Gnats.

          • Baba Yaga 15.2.3.1.1

            Civil servants whistle blowing on a incompetent bully boy trying to be a Minister.

            • Stuart Munro 15.2.3.1.1.1

              Unemployed Gnat rorters vice signaling in hopes of being picked up by a subsequent administration.

              • Baba Yaga

                So you know the political affiliations of these people? You really are full of yourself Stuart.

                • Stuart Munro

                  It’s not rocket science. These noisy supporters of “shit-in-the-walls” Coleman are, like you, unreliable sources.

                  Ordinary professionals just want to get on with the job – the screaming me me’s try and pin existing problems on a new minister – anomalous if they’re not toxic farright filth like yourself, BY.

                  • Baba Yaga

                    So you don’t. Just admit it.

                    • Stuart Munro

                      Fuck off Baba.

                      I know you’re more used to the company of munters who can’t add two and two, but toxic Gnat appointed board members dismissed by the coalition’s new broom are readily identified as haters and wreckers when they go to extraordinary lengths to drum up smears of a minister who is not long in the job.

                      A board appointment is not a life term, but going after the incoming minister in the press guarantees they won’t be considered for another anytime soon.

                    • Baba Yaga

                      As I said. You have no idea about their political affiliation. You come here and spread false claims around like fairy dust. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve caught you out.

      • Baba Yaga 15.2.4

        “Try Key’s mansion in Hawaii.”

        Jealous much?

        • Stuart Munro 15.2.4.1

          Not even slightly.

          It’s a well established legal principle that wrongdoers shall not profit from their crimes.

          I had shares in Equiticorp during the period Key lied about.

          He owes a lot of New Zealanders a great deal of money.

          • Baba Yaga 15.2.4.1.1

            No, we owe him plenty. Key and his Government steered NZ through a recession (Labour’s recession), a GFC and catastrophic natural events. Our economy performed up with the very best in the OECD, and our reputation grew substantially. Labour are undoing all of that.

            • Stuart Munro 15.2.4.1.1.1

              We owe him a full investigation followed by sequestration of improperly obtained assets and a lengthy prison stay.

              Our economy was faked up by excessive immigration but per capita GDP declined, so it’s fair to say his administration was rubbish. But then the outcome for NZ formed no part of his ambition – he was there to self-enrich at our expense, as a parasite on our democracy.

              • Baba Yaga

                If you have evidence, initiate a judicial review. Put up or shut up.

                “but per capita GDP declined, ”

                Bollocks
                “The GDP per Capita in New Zealand is equivalent to 292 percent of the world’s average. GDP per capita in New Zealand averaged 28616.10 USD from 1977 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 36842 USD in 2016 and a record low of 21506.50 USD in 1977.”
                https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp-per-capita

                How is GDP per capita tracking now Stuart?

                • Stuart Munro

                  Were I in a position to order a judicial review Baba, that worthless asshole would be in jail already – along with most of his colleagues.

                  “How is GDP per capita tracking now?”

                  We’re in the same morbid flat line, falling with respect to Oz, and likely to show cyclic decline as offshore property sales no longer buoy the $NZ to the same degree.

                  Robertson’s neo-liberal caution will not turn around a decade of irresponsible decisions this term.

                  Rejoice – you and your accomplices have completely fucked our country.

                  • Baba Yaga

                    No-one else has either Stuart. Care to retract you false claim about GDP per capita?

                    • Stuart Munro

                      It’s not false, as you know perfectly well.

                      None of the previous government’s claims of economic competence withstand even the simplest comparison with our trading partners.

                      We’ve gone backwards.

                    • Baba Yaga

                      “It’s not false…”

                      I proved it was false.

                      “The GDP per Capita in New Zealand is equivalent to 292 percent of the world’s average. GDP per capita in New Zealand averaged 28616.10 USD from 1977 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 36842 USD in 2016 and a record low of 21506.50 USD in 1977.”
                      https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp-per-capita

                      Retract Stuart.

                    • Stuart Munro

                      You didn’t prove shit – and you never do.

                      Pretty soon you’ll run off and hide as usual – no-one believes a word you say – you’ve lied too often.

                    • babayaga

                      “You didn’t prove shit ”

                      So you don’t trust Trading Economics?

                    • babayaga

                      Once more:

                      “…per capita GDP declined…”

                      Shock horror, National is telling fibs about Labour’s Industrial Relations policy

                      “The GDP per Capita in New Zealand is equivalent to 292 percent of the world’s average. GDP per capita in New Zealand averaged 28616.10 USD from 1977 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 36842 USD in 2016 and a record low of 21506.50 USD in 1977.”
                      https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp-per-capita

                      If GDP per capita reached an ‘all time high’ in 2016, how can it have declined?

                    • Stuart Munro

                      If GDP per capita reached an ‘all time high’ in 2016, how can it have declined?

                      Depends on the comparison doesn’t it. If you measure it in $US then foreign capital inflows will distort the apparent figure upward, if you use Australia as a baseline, their growth will render ours negative.

                      “So you don’t trust Trading Economics?”

                      They’re hardly my go to – and we’re halfway through 2018, they should have more recent numbers.

                    • babayaga

                      “Depends on the comparison doesn’t it. ”

                      No, it really doesn’t. The Trading Economics numbers are reliable. You f(*&’d up.

                    • Stuart Munro

                      Pitiful.

                      You really shouldn’t go all dogmatic on something as inherently flexible as a bunch of statistics.

                      And you have to handle them in such a way as to realize the truth content, not just try to run the temporary value for a few cheap shots.

                      When the NZ dollar is high a $US comparative set of numbers skews the impression of NZ per capita GDP high. When it is compared to our major trading partners the relative efficacy of governance can occasionally be recognized.

                      And the quality of governance over the last decade is frankly rather poor. Nothing to boast of at all.

                      Why can’t you just come clean? All your claims of economic expertise are not borne out in reality. The Gnats were and are utterly useless economic managers, and the numbers prove it.

                      It’s not as if the negative local effects are not everywhere apparent. Homelessness. Poverty. Suicide. Crime. Vice. All the hallmarks of the decay of civilization.

                    • babayaga

                      “You really shouldn’t go all dogmatic on something as inherently flexible as a bunch of statistics.”

                      You really shouldn’t make up bulls&*t and think you can get away with it.

                    • Stuart Munro

                      I don’t think you’re really in a position to lecture me about making up bullshit Baba Yaga.

                      You’ve shown a remarkable proclivity for lying, your objection to me is that I’m telling you the truth.

                    • McFlock

                      Baby yoga doesn’t care who tells the truth. His only desire is to create in his little mind an excuse to gloat. Usually these excuses are imaginary, occasionally they are trivial. Never has one been deserved in reality.

                    • Baba Yaga

                      “I don’t think you’re really in a position to lecture me about making up bullshit Baba Yaga.”

                      Yeah, actually, I am. I’ve caught you out so many times. I admire your stubbornness though.

                    • Baba Yaga

                      “Baby yoga doesn’t care who tells the truth. ”

                      I suspect that you, like Stuart, actually believe the tripe Robbo used to spin about per capita GDP. More Labour lies.

                    • Stuart Munro

                      Actually you almost never catch anyone – your disregard for truth is so overt that most of your arguments fall over before you begin.

                      And this is no exception.

                    • David Mac

                      96% of people believe statistics can be skewed to blow a particular trumpet.

                      I guess I could find out but I’m lazy….I wonder if the capita component of GDP per capita includes the capita that are here on working visas or working illegally.

                    • Baba Yaga

                      “96% of people believe statistics can be skewed to blow a particular trumpet.”

                      You mean just like that statistic?

                    • Baba Yaga

                      “Actually you almost never catch anyone…”

                      Caught you though, aye. /shock-horror-national-is-telling-fibs-about-labours-industrial-relations-policy/#comment-1498291

                    • David Mac

                      86% of people believe you are catching on.

                    • McFlock

                      So the question is now whether yogi is stupid or just has no sense of humour.

                    • babayaga

                      The question is whether or not you got the irony of David using a statistic to claim that “statistics can be skewed to blow a particular trumpet.”

                    • McFlock

                      That’s. The. Joke. You. Fool.

                    • Baba Yaga

                      “That’s. The. Joke. You. Fool.”

                      I know. But good attempt to rescue Stuart.

                    • Wow

                      I guess Baba Yaga doesn’t realise that 63.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot

                    • Baba Yaga

                      …they’re coming out the woodwork today…

                    • Incognito

                      Wow, you seem very confident about that prediction 😉

                    • Stuart Munro

                      You ain’t got shit Baba.

                      None of your blaming changes the fact that our per capita growth under the previous government was risible.

                      Of course the Right have nothing to show and must blame someone – Anyone – else. But it doesn’t make them even a caricature of a good government, for whom maintaining parity with Oz would be, not an aspiration, but a baseline.

                      Nice try though – by troll standards you shine – in the chthonic gloom under your bridge.

        • Brigid 15.2.4.2

          Jealous of Key?
          You’ve got to be joking. What earthly use is he to mankind or dog? What does he do?
          Does he even read? Can he use tools? Does he have any? Can he fix anything? Does he make anything?
          What a boring life having every thing done for you. No incentive or desire to learn anything.
          Getting his jollies by stroking young girls hair and being so thick and wankerish that it never occurred to him that his advances were not wanted.
          Yuk. Why would they be?

          He just spends his time gambling and increasing his bank balance, and consorting with people who are just as boring and uninteresting as he is.

          Nah fanks

    • Draco T Bastard 15.3

      That’s actually National.

      The nation and the economy have always done better under Labour.

    • patricia bremner 15.4

      BY, Send the bill to yourself, for the current costly ills were caused by your crowd.

    • Tricledrown 15.5

      Babygaga send the bill to SCF or Cera
      Fletcher Fonterra etc.

  16. JustMe 16

    The previous National government – from 2008 through to late 2017 – lived on Cloud Cuckoo-land(aka Planet Key).
    They would boast at Budget times that the economy was strong and everything was just so fine and dandy.
    More than a year ago I was chatting to a woman who works part-time as a receptionist and is on $52k for being a part-timer. She took whatever Bill English(the finance minister of the time)told NZers at a previous Budget as asbolute and questioned Gospel according to St Bill.
    The reality however is what many NZers see on a daily basis eg those who work in hospitals and even those who see homeless people in the streets.
    I am certain National will claim that homelessness was much worse under Labour and today(and quoting Paula Bennett) ‘homelessness is the sign of a growing economy….”
    Really and overall where are the morals and scruples of the NZ National Party MPs when they have to resort to fibbing about one thing or another just to get ‘press attention’?
    MPs no matter what political party they hark to are there in parliament to represent ALL NZers – even those taking industrial action in the form of strikes. For them to claim there were less strikes under the previous National government shows a manipulation of the media(something that the NZ National Party has in its pocket).
    Looking at the track record of John Key when he was prime minister of New Zealand he viewed even those who protested against the TPPA as being “Rent a Protestor’. That shows the shallow mentality of the National Party MPs. At the end of the day(as one would say)they have quickly forgotten who pays their wages and their perks of the job and that is NZ workers.

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  • Paramedics’ status to be recognised
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First has listened to calls to recognise paramedics as registered health professionals under the Health Practitioners’ Competence Assurance Act (the Act). Today, the Coalition Government announced plans for paramedics to be registered as health practitioners under the Act, and the establishment of a ...
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  • Week That Was: 2,000 teachers in two years
    We began the week by commemorating the New Zealand Wars and celebrating a major increase in the number of teachers. Then, we were busy supporting offenders into work and getting our rail back on track after years of underinvestment. And that's just the start! ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Winning an election one conversation at a time
    In October I was sworn in as the Mayor of Lower Hutt. It’s the privilege of my life to serve Hutt people as their Mayor. There is something really special to be able to serve the community where I was raised, and where I live.   ...
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  • Closer cooperation with Korean horse racing industry
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Racing Racing Minister Winston Peters met with Korea Racing Authority Chairperson Nak Soon Kim in Seoul today to discuss closer cooperation between the New Zealand and Korean horse racing industries. As part of the visit to the Seoul Racecourse, Mr Peters witnessed ...
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  • Otago to lead digital creativity
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10 million to establish Otago as the centre of New Zealand’s creative digital industry over the next ten years, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “The initiative will bring us closer to the vision of ...
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  • Young Otago students encouraged to take on forestry careers
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)’s skills and employment programme will help young Otago people into long-term forestry careers, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. Te Ara Mahi will invest $63,000 in the 2020 school year to support eight 17 and 18 ...
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  • PGF backing Dunedin’s waterfront ambitions
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will support local plans to revitalise and stimulate economic development opportunities in Otago, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The four Regional Economic Development Ministers have approved an in-principle investment of $19.9 million towards the region’s ...
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  • M. Bovis eradication progress welcomed
    Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First is pleased to have received the Technical Advisory Group (TAG) report on the Coalition Government’s Mycoplasma bovis eradication efforts, which shows significant progress in the fight against the disease. New Zealand First Spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, says the report’s findings ...
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  • PGF boosts Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sector
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development Hon David Parker, Minister for Trade and Export Growth The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing to support economic growth opportunities for Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sectors, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones and Trade and Export Minister David Parker announced today. Almost $20 million ...
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  • New housing part of support for Kaumātua
    The Government is building special housing to accommodate one of Aotearoa’s greatest taonga- our kaumātua, says the Minister for Māori Development, Hon Nanaia Mahuta.  Speaking at a National Kaumātua Service Providers Conference in Rotorua today, the Minister reinforced the importance kaumātua play in maintaining and passing on mātauranga Māori, knowledge, ...
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  • Forestry helps prisoners into jobs
    Eleven men from a pilot forestry training programme for prisoners in Northland now have full time jobs or job offers upon release, Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis and Forestry Minister Shane Jones announced today. The ‘release to work’ programme was a collaboration between Te Uru Rākau and the Department of Corrections, ...
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  • Reform of public service a step closer
    Minister of State Services Chris Hipkins today introduced into Parliament a Bill that will make it easier for the public service to tackle the biggest challenges facing Governments. The Bill represents the most significant change in the public service in 30 years. The State Sector Act 1988 will be repealed ...
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  • Donations scheme to relieve pressure on families
    The families of more than 416,000 students will be better off next year as their schools have signed up to the Government’s donations scheme, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. The scheme will see almost $62.5 million in additional Government funding go to schools nationwide next year. “I’m really pleased ...
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  • Further support for Samoan measles outbreak
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced further support as the Government of Samoa responds to a serious measles outbreak. “New Zealand will deploy a further 18 vaccination nurses, bringing the total to 30 working in Samoa over the next four weeks,” Mr Peters said. “A New Zealand Medical Assistance ...
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  • Speech to the Child Poverty Action Group 2019 Summit
      Fa’atalofa atu, malo e lelei, Kia ora koutou katoa Thank you to the Child Poverty Action Group for asking me to be here today to provide an update on some of the things that have been happening across my the social development portfolio.  Can I firstly acknowledge the vast ...
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  • Speech to the New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Annual Conference
    ***Please check against delivery*** Good morning everyone. It is a pleasure to be with you this morning to open this year’s New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Conference and AGM. Firstly, thank you Dr Alan Jackson, NZTR Chair for your introduction. And let us acknowledge also: The NZTR Board; Dean McKenzie, Chair ...
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  • Fairer rules for tenants and landlords
    The Government has delivered on its promise to the over one million New Zealanders who now rent to make it fairer and more secure, Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing) Kris Faafoi has announced today. Both renters and landlords will benefit from the suite of practical changes to the Residential ...
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  • Two decades of marine protection celebrated at Te Tapuwae o Rongokako in Tairawhiti
    A marine conservation milestone - the 20th anniversary of the establishment of Te Tapuwae o Rongokako Marine Reserve - is being celebrated today at a community event in Tairāwhiti/East Coast attended by the Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “The creation of this marine reserve in November 1999 was a game ...
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  • Food industry asked to step up fight against obesity
         The Government is asking the food industry to step up work to tackle obesity including reducing sugar, fat and salt in their products, better information for consumers, and tighter restrictions on advertising to children. Health Minister David Clark and Food Safety Minister Damien O’Connor have responded to a ...
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  • Modern emergency care for Queenstown area
    ew, modern emergency department and outpatient facilities at Queenstown’s Lakes District Hospital mean better emergency care for the growing tourist mecca’s visitors and locals, says Health Minister David Clark. Today Dr Clark officially opened the hospital’s redeveloped Emergency Department and Outpatient facilities. The new facilities include: •    An extended Emergency Department ...
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  • Contraception important for New Zealanders
    Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter says today’s release of sexual and reproductive health data reinforces the significance of the Government’s commitment to providing free or very low-cost contraception. The Ministry of Health today published statistics from the Ministry of Health’s 2014/15 Health Survey. “It is important people can make ...
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  • NZ medical staff and measles vaccines going to Samoa
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced that at the request of the Samoan Government, New Zealand will be providing further support to Samoa as it faces a worsening measles outbreak. “In response to a request from the people of Samoa, New Zealand is providing 3000 measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) ...
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  • Disability Action Plan 2019 – 2023
    “The new Disability Action Plan 2019–2023 moves us towards the inclusive and accessible New Zealand that this government has committed to,” Minister for Disability Issues Carmel Sepuloni announced today.  “The Action Plan was designed by disabled people, their family and supporters, the disability sector and government agencies. It will ensure ...
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  • Joint Statement – Third Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting
    Third Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting 14 November 2019 Joint Statement 1. Defence Ministers Ron Mark and Dr Ng Eng Hen today conducted their third annual Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting in Singapore. 2. Building on the Enhanced Partnership signed between both countries in May this year, this annual meeting ...
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  • Sexual Violence Legislation Bill has its first reading
    A Bill to improve the court system’s response to sexual violence has passed its first reading in Parliament today. Justice Minister Andrew Little says the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill will reduce the trauma sexual violence complainants experience in court, while maintaining defendants’ fundamental rights and making sure the trial process ...
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  • Streamlined business invoicing a step closer
    Streamlined payment practices are a step closer for Kiwi businesses with the formal launch of New Zealand’s e-Invoicing framework. Small Business Minister Stuart Nash says the government has now established the structure to enable automated and direct data exchange between the accounting systems of buyers and sellers. “The move to ...
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  • More frontline biosecurity officers protecting NZ
    Another 51 quarantine officers and four new biosecurity detector dog teams will help protect New Zealand from invasive pests and diseases this summer, says Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor. “The Government is delivering on its commitment to strengthen New Zealand’s biosecurity system and support our valuable primary sector “New Zealand’s flora, fauna ...
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  • NZ space economy worth $1.69 billion
    A new report has found New Zealand’s space sector contributed $1.69 billion to the economy in the last financial year and employs 12,000 people, Minister for Economic Development Phil Twyford announced today. The report by Deloitte was commissioned by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and shows New Zealand ...
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  • New Chair for Royal Commission into Abuse
    Judge Coral Shaw has been appointed as the new Chair of the Royal Commission into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. "Judge Shaw, who is currently one of the inquiry commissioners, is extremely well qualified for the ...
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  • Better mental health facilities for Palmerston North
    The Government has confirmed its third major mental health facility upgrade since the Budget, this time at Palmerston North Hospital. The Prime Minister and Health Minister today visited MidCentral DHB to announce that $30 million has been allocated to upgrade its acute mental health facility. It follows earlier announcements in ...
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  • Bowel Screening hits halfway point
    The roll out of the National Bowel Screening Programme has reached the halfway mark, with 10 out of 20 District Health Boards now part of the programme. MidCentral DHB, which covers Palmerston North, Manawatu and surrounding districts, this week became the latest to DHB to offer free bowel screening to ...
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  • More vaccines for meningococcal disease
    The Government welcomes PHARMAC’s decision to fund a vaccine to protect young people from meningococcal disease from 1 December this year. “Meningococcal disease is a serious threat which people at higher risk should be protected from,” says Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter. “The combined pharmaceutical budget was increased by ...
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  • Fisheries innovation projects supported
    Groups involved with innovative fisheries research projects are encouraged to apply for government support in the latest funding round from the Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures programme. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash says the SFF Futures funding is designed to be flexible enough to support small or large projects across a ...
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    6 days ago
  • Government fixes culturally arranged marriage visa issue
    The Government has fixed an issue affecting how Immigration New Zealand has processed visa applications for culturally arranged marriages, which will now see a consistent process applied which ensures people with legitimate arranged marriages can visit New Zealand while also preventing any rorting of the system. Earlier this year Immigration ...
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  • Extension for Royal Commission into Mosque attacks
    The Royal Commission into the Attacks on Christchurch Mosques will report back on 30 April 2020 to give it more time to hear submissions and consider information, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The Royal Commission was originally scheduled to report back to Government by 10 December 2019. “There has ...
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  • Terrorism and Trade on agenda as Foreign Minister visits the United States
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to Washington DC today to attend a ministerial meeting focused on defeating ISIS, and to continue pursuing New Zealand’s trade opportunities. Mr Peters will participate in a meeting of Foreign and Defence Ministers from key countries contributing to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS. ...
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  • Hoiho get extra support alongside 168 community conservation groups backing nature
    The recently crowned Bird of the Year, the hoiho/yellow eyed penguin, is getting a much needed helping hand alongside more than 168 other community conservation projects announced Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage today. 168 community conservation projects throughout New Zealand are benefiting from $8 million in government grants, including $500,000 ...
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  • New safety measures for modified pistols
    Controls on assault rifles and semi-automatic firearms are to be broadened to include some types of pistols, under changes to a bill currently making its way through Parliament. Police Minister Stuart Nash has tabled a Supplementary Order Paper to the Arms Legislation Bill, which is currently before a Select Committee ...
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  • Minister of Defence to visit Singapore and Thailand
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark will travel to Singapore today to conduct a counterpart visit and to co-chair the third annual Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting with his counterpart, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen. “Singapore is one of our most important defence partners in the region, and our ...
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  • Future secured for Salisbury School
    Nelson’s Salisbury School is to be rebuilt, creating a modern and suitable learning environment for students at the residential special school, Education Minister Chris Hipkins and Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The school for girls aged 8-15, in Richmond, was earmarked for closure by National until the process ...
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  • Resource management reform options released
    The panel undertaking a comprehensive review of the Resource Management Act has identified the main issues to be addressed and options for reform and is calling for feedback to inform its final report.  In July the Government announced the comprehensive review of the resource management system, including the RMA - ...
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  • Criminal Cases Review Commission established
    An important safety valve has been added to New Zealand’s criminal justice system with the third reading of the Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill today. The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) will investigate claimed miscarriages of justice. “We’ve seen how our justice system can very occasionally get things spectacularly wrong, ...
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  • Racing Industry destined to be on-track
    Racing Minister Winston Peters welcomes the tabling of the Racing Industry Transition Agency (RITA) 2019 Annual Report in Parliament today. He says the 2019 Annual Report marks the point when New Zealand’s racing industry’s decline was arrested and a turnaround started. RITA’s 2019 Annual Report recorded an industry net profit ...
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  • New Zealand firefighter support to Queensland
    The New Zealand Government is today sending 21 firefighters to help fight the ongoing catastrophic Australian bushfires. “The fires in Australia are in some of the toughest, most challenging conditions ever,” says Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin.  “As of yesterday morning, there were 100 active bushfire-related incidents across Queensland and ...
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  • Supporting all schools to succeed
      More frontline support for schools through a new education agency, as part of a redesigned Ministry of Education More support for principals and school boards including through a new centre of leadership and local leadership advisor roles New independent disputes panels for parents and students Management of school property ...
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  • Reform to support better outcomes for Māori learners and whānau
    The Government’s reform of the Tomorrow’s Schools system is a watershed moment in education and an opportunity to create meaningful change for ākonga Māori and their whānau, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis said today. “Last year through Kōrero Mātauranga | Education Conversation, Māori teachers, parents, ākonga, whānau, hapū and iwi ...
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  • Infrastructure pipeline growing
    Infrastructure Minister is welcoming the first of many updated project pipelines from the newly established New Zealand Infrastructure Commission today. The New Zealand Infrastructure Commission, Te Waihanga, has released an expanded pipeline of major capital projects – another crucial step towards delivering better infrastructure outcomes. “The first iteration of the ...
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  • Tighter firearms law to further improve safety
    Tougher gun laws designed to improve public safety through firearms prohibition orders are proposed in a new document released for public input. Police Minister Stuart Nash says firearms prohibition orders (FPOs) would give new powers to Police to ensure high-risk individuals come nowhere near firearms. “We have already prohibited the ...
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  • New TVNZ chair & directors confirmed
    Andy Coupe has been confirmed as TVNZ’s new Board Chair. “Mr Coupe has strong commercial and capital markets experience and TVNZ has benefited from his technical knowledge of business and finance, as well as his extensive governance experience,” the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media Kris Faafoi said.  Andy ...
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