gosh all the skyline pollution – wonder how much petroluem was burned to print that poster and all the vehicles…good Simon Bridges has been honoured. Lets not forget the big head office renovation going on at the moment for the heavyweughts at the top of greenpeace.
Lying lying lying…all these lying MP’s so how come we top anti corruption stakes. Greenpeace is only good for shooting themselves in the foot. Good to see on the news tonight USA about to be bigger than the Arabs on oil production. So much for peak oil. However people dying in china from pollution and getting cancer. Then the lefts want to tax fuel for Auckland roads and raise toll money.
I remember this argument about how tv causes violence etc etc. P.S. There was no tv during world war one or the napoleanic wars…people just make stuff up and on here is some real shape shifters but I enjoy the debate.
And before someone gives me a lecture on ww1 Its my pet subject so have some pretty dam good links between millions of death and sesame street if you are going to claim tv is the cause for violence. The was no tv.
I digress…oil production has another 200 years to go and by that time we would of landed on mars.
Peak Oil is about peak production, and the relationship between oil and the economy (it’s not about how much oil is left in the ground). Show me some evidence that Hubbert was wrong (about the timing, as I assume even you understand the basics of physics involved in non-renewable resources).
Corruption is cultural. The corruption we have in the current govt is culturally sanctioned corruption, as opposed to the corruption we look at in other countries which doesn’t fit our ideas about what is ok.
Violence… am pretty sure the violence in WW1 was because countries with lots of soldiers were at war with each other. Citation needed for anyone ever saying that TV caused WW1.
btw, I take it from your lack of response to my comment that you reCant your statement about Greenpeace having no proof.
Re: the violence comment. I think Yes is saying that if someone suggests that TV leads to higher violence then ALL violence must be caused by TV. Therefore, if one can find an instance of violence that was not preceded by TV (e.g. WW1), then it would disprove the hypothesis.
I know it makes absolutely no sense, but is consistent with other comments Yes has posted so far. Draw your own conclusions from what this says about his/her ability to think.
You really have NFI WTF you’re talking about do you? Peak Oil happened for conventional oil in 2005/6. That and the massive price jump for crude drove development of uncoventional oil. The problem with unconventional oil is a) that’s it’s EROEI is far less and b) that it peaks a hell of a lot faster. So, what’s really happening is that we’re bumping along the bumpy plateau of Peak Oil now, sooner or later, we’ll start going down the other side and demand still isn’t decreasing.
NZ will be one of the first countries priced out of the oil market and that includes our own oil. That latter part really shows the shear delusion of the free-market – we apparently can’t afford our own resources, resources that we already own.
oil production has another 200 years to go
Nobody who knows anything about Peak Oil hasn’t said otherwise. What they said is that production won’t match demand.
Then the lefts want to tax fuel for Auckland roads and raise toll money.
Too much madness in your post to address, but the below requires more.
digressâŠoil production has another 200 years to go and by that time we would of landed on mars.
Do you actually believe that your family/offspring are going to be part of any *deep space* plans for colonization, I mean are you completely deluded, or have you been *promised* a seat on the starship enterprise?
You write like someone who genuinely does not give a toss, but your style betrays your fear.
If you seriously believe what you write, then I have a single question for you.
– What do you hope to achieve, and what are your preferred outcomes for NZ, and humanity in general!
Don’t hold back, I would like to understand where your bigger picture is heading!
I digressâŠoil production has another 200 years to go and by that time we would of landed on mars.
Yes! Because Mars gets as close as only 54.6 million kilometres from Earth, we already know how to travel to the moon (363,104 kilometres), we will be able to terraform entire planets by shooting friggin laser beams at them and StarTrek is real…it’s REAL I tells ya!
With such an unsurpassed intellect, have you ever thought about working for Simon Bridges yes?
Actually there is some pretty compelling evidence that we are not equipped to deal with a major oil spill. Keys and co are well aware of this but greed is good, so there you have it.
Compelling eveidence alright – walked on the beach last night – still polluted from Rena, plastic beads all up on the high tide line, keep getting oil spots on the surfboard after a few waves..can’t even clean that up nearly 2 years on…and this geezer is my ‘local’ MP….
It could go on the hill adjacent to the Wgtn airport and replace that stupid “Wellington” sign that was put up last year. BLiP’s list could be put up on all major landmarks in cities and towns around NZ.
Yes indeed Greenpeace NOT Greens. I just received their blurb in the mail and not ONE WORD about dismantling Keys spy network. Can’t say I’m much pleased with this given Norman’s renunciation of Keys actions.
Awesome…this is the sort of hard arsed tactics needed to expose this National Party, the MSM aren’t doing their job of exposing the truth so you just have to find another way…MORE PLEASE!
sigh….that article contains another glib lie – he ain’t a boy from Tauranga, just a national party blow in from Te Atatu…they just keep rolling off the tongue
Agreed Lefty. There has been long absence of clever political art, satire and graffiti in this town. The creative and free expression that used to be around has just disappeared over the years, along with any fight we once had in us. It needs to be there as a counter to the insipid and framed messages that people derive from the MSM. It needs to be there to challenge people’s belief they have in the lies they are told and it needs to be there to be a direct challenge to those who tell those lies.
Speaking of MSM framing, heres a classic pro govt headline from stuffed.
So, Simon Bridges has been “attacked”. Do they ever say anything about Bridge’s attacks on democracy and his attacks of workers? No they don’t. They are apologists for this govt.
Come back street artists. There’s no better time than now.
Didn’t Greenpeace say it was an apolitical organisation?
No surprise the Charities Commission revoked its tax-free status, since they are an arm of the Green Party.
Can you cite some sources for “they are the arm of the Green Party”. Is the Employers federation an arm of the National Party? Or the Round Table? Notice how quiet the BRT is when National is in government?
Santi do you support Ministers lying or misleading the electorate?
When you’re leary
Feeling pall
When doubt is in your eyes
I will lie to you all
I’m on your side
When polls get rough
And truth just can’t be found
Like a Bridge over polluted water
I will lie me down
Like a Bridge over polluted water
I will lie me down
When you’re down and out
When you’re on the street
When wages fall so hard
I will lie to you
I’ll make up a part
When oil spills come
And birds lie all around
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will lie me down
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will lie me down
Drill on Corporate Oil,
Drill on down
Your time has come to scour
All your profit is on the way
See how they refine
If you need a friend
I’m lying right behind
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will ease your way
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will lie your way
He is directly addressing it – he is accused of misleading parliament because he said he never meet with anyone from the oil industry to discuss the changes about protesting at sea. It then emerged he had met with Shell a couple of weeks before introducing those changes. His argument is that the meeting was not about those changes but about something else.
If he can prove that that meeting did not discuss those changes there is no lie.
Also, while it is likely that they did discuss it, it is also likely that nothing will come of the misleading parliament charge as the accusers will need to prove that he did discuss that with Shell and I can’t see how they will do that.
Bridges said he was “chuffed” about the billboard.
“As a boy from Tauranga, I’ve always wanted my name up in lights in the big city. Now it’s happened and I managed to get Greenpeace to pay for it.”
Another lie.
Bridges has claimned to be a boy from Te Atatu and there was a billboard of him and Tau Henare for a public meeting about the “Local boy done well” story.
Chris, can we agree that it is highly unlikely he was not lobbied by anyone to change the law? I must say when Mr Key promised in 2008 to be transparent and to even answer questions he wasn’t asked (Paul Henry interview on Breakfast), I hoped we were seeing a turning point. We weren’t.
“If he can prove that that meeting did not discuss those changes there is no lie.”
And he hasn’t. He has denied the accusation which is different. Politicians denying accusations of lying or misleading the public is like a tour de france winner saying he is as appalled by other people taking drugs as everyone else but he is clean..
As long as we, the public accept that if it is our “team’ doing the misleading, well, what can we do. As long as we see our government of preference about being on the winning or losing team, we are sunk.
Family First says the decline in children being born into wedlock is a danger warning, I say accepting misleading, obsfucation and lie as “normal” behaviour in ALL our politicians we are sunk.
I completely agree it is highly unlikely. The timing is all too convenient. I don’t agree with what he has done at all. My post was more to try and point out that the lie he is accused of was not that he met with petrol company representatives, he has already admitted that he did.
Simon Bridges was born in October 1976 in Auckland, the youngest of six children. His father, a MÄori of NgÄti Maniapoto descent, was a Baptist Minister, and his mother, a NZ European from Waihi, was a primary school teacher. He is also related to former Labour Cabinet minister Koro WÄtere.[1]
Bridges grew up in Te Atatu, where he attended high school at Rutherford College. There, he was taught by future Labour Education Minister Chris Carter, and also became Head Boy of the college.[2][3] He went on to complete a BA in political science and history and an LLB (Hons) at the University of Auckland.
Legal career
Bridges began his legal career as a litigation lawyer at a major Auckland law firm, Kensington Swan.[2] He moved to Tauranga in 2001 to take up a position as a Crown prosecutor in the District and High Courts. During this time, he took leave to travel to the United Kingdom to study at the London School of Economics, and later to complete a postgraduate law degree at St Catherine’s College, Oxford; he also worked as an intern in the British House of Commons.[2] As a Crown prosecutor in Tauranga, Bridges mainly worked on jury trials.[4] Bridges ended his legal career in 2008, when he was nominated by the National Party to stand for election to the New Zealand Parliament.[5]
Early political career
Bridges became a member of the Young Nationals at the age of 16 and was elected Deputy New Zealand Chair in 1997. He was active in National’s West Auckland organisation as a member of Brian Neeson’s electorate team, whom he supported at the 2002 general election against a challenge by John Key for the National Party candidacy to contest the new seat of Helensville.[2] In the following years, he held several senior positions within the party, including sitting on the National Party rules committee and chairperson of the Tauranga National Party.[5]”
One can see how the young agents life pans out, while receiving the obligatory rinse along the road.
They are a familiar journey, one which inevitably leads back to home base, ready to take the order they were given, and having way cleared for them, to rule!
Bridges actions betray NZ, that much is well established!
Closer to home, don’t forget about this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10796431
They will lie any chance they get and even after being pulled up time and again they have the audacity to put up this billboard, which for all we know is yet another lie! Although they cover themselves by saying ‘has been accused’ and never using the word ‘lie’, clever, because when they they are inevitably found to be wrong yet again they can’t be done for defamation.
As I understand it, protests can take place outside of 500 metres from a drilling site. That seems sensible from a health and safety perspective alone, and is still close enough to be seen making a point.
I can well imagine that if a protester got injured or killed on a drilling site, then the very same people bleating about the current ban would start bleating that the government hadn’t passed any law to stop them getting into harms way.
If protesters are close enough to endanger safety of themselves or others, this is covered by maritime law, OSH, and the crimes act. No arbitrary “500m”. And the RICO-esque seasoning on the law is clearly aimed at prosecuting organisations when there is absolutely no evidence that the organisation incited or participated in the “offence”.
The problem is that such protests have impeded organisations from engaging in lawful activities in the past. Seems strange to me that they should be complaining about the government limiting their right to act lawfully when they attempt to do the same to other organisations. Hypocrites much.
I’m getting tired of all the “nonsense and misinformation” being propagated about it being illegal to take mind altering drugs in this country.
People complain that they’re only affecting their own body and mind so what business is it of anyone else.
What nonsense. Substances aren’t banned. People can probably still partake of 99.999% of all the consumable substances in the world without restriction.
Well done.
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Our #PantsOnFire billboard has caused quite a stir in Wellington .. but Simon Bridges MP has so far failed to clear his name in response to allegations that he mislead Parliament and New Zealand over his dealings with Shell regarding the controversial Crown Minerals Bill amendment and law changes around protest at sea … http://act.gp/18mj1DH
And he says that we can deal with an oil spill. We canât.
He also said that he thought the photo was good and he was chuffed to have his own billboard in Wellington… http://goo.gl/ygdSw
This is a form of ‘corrupt practice’ known as ‘State capture’ – where vested interests lobby for the legislation that serves their interests at the ‘policy’ stage, before the legislation is passed.
In my considered opinion as an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner – this is a form of ‘grand’ corruption which is endemic in corrupt, polluted tax haven – New Zealand (aka ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ ).
(Check out the Regulatory Impact Statements / Reports and see who has been ‘consulted’? )
I really don’t understand all the whining and bleating about the law being changed to limit protest.
Organisations such as Greenpeace display very little regard for the law when it comes to inhibiting the rights of others to engage in lawful activity. So why complain and bleat about it when the government acts to limit the lawful right of protest? Surely its just a case of them not liking it when the boot is on the other foot.
Since these organisations often display little regard for the law anyway, then why not just ignore the 500 metre law and accept the consequences? All this whining and bleating doesn’t impress me at all. Or is it just that we have fairweather protestors here who will only protest when everything is in their favour?
I really donât understand all the whining and bleating about the law being changed to limit protest.
That is the whole point.
– The law is being changed to limit protest.
– The law is being changed to try to limit the effectiveness of protest.
– The law is being changed to try to muzzle protest.
– The law is being changed to try to limit peoples’ rights to defend the values they believe in.
Yet organisations such as Greenpeace are very happy to do the same in trying to limit the ability of other organisations to go about their lawful activities.
You are making a lot of assumptions about why the government has changed the law in this respect.
Perhaps the government is trying to ensure the rights of organisations to act lawfully are properly balanced, so that the rights of one doesn’t infringe on the rights of the other. Do you think?
Yet organisations such as Greenpeace are very happy to do the same in trying to limit the ability of other organisations to go about their lawful activities.
“Lawful” does not always make it right, TS. A bad law can have dire consequences for all of us – you included.
Absolutely. But the rights to protest are already balanced against the rights of others. For example, I couldn’t lawfully break into your house to protest against something. So, there isn’t anything particularly unusual about legislating to ensure that competing rights are balanced equitably.
Not a good comparison at all, TS. (Unless my stereo is blaring at 3am in the morning and Noise Control is nowhere to be seen.)
And really, when you’re refering to “the rights to protest are already balanced against the rights of others”, that’s code for neutering the ability of protesters to carry out effective protest.
‘I couldn’t break into your house’. Not a valid comparison. What if you were arrested for going within half a km of someone’s house. Being arrested for protesting in a neighbouring suburb.
And to be honest with you, it’s not an easy one to answer…
All, I can say is that it depends on the situation. Personally speaking, I doubt I’d be involved in any protest that involved violence that threatened peoples’ lives.
So, it seems we both agree the line should be drawn somewhere. The answer is therefore going to be a subjective one. So, a 500 metre limit isn’t necessarily wrong. As you say, it depends on the situation.
There are other instances where boundaries are set for protests. For instance, when protestors are kept behind barriers when visiting VIPs visit and the like. So, it is not without precedent.
Making legal protest illegal needs to be justified. Whether the protest is against something that is legal or illegal, undertaken by individuals, companies or government is irrelevant. If there is no reasonable basis for changing the status of legal protest, then it shouldn’t be changed. Pretending that the target of the protest has something to do with it is at best misleading.
It seems that the 500 metre limit is a secondary offence that seems related to the tendency of some protesters to sabotage and interfere with legitimate activities. I don’t believe that sort of activity would qualify as legal protest, especially if it compromised safety.
So, perhaps the protesters have brought the 500 metre limit on themselves due to past behaviour.
One could argue that the protests haven’t been effective enough so the stupid behaviour they are protesting about continues and sane people have to continue to protest. In this case its the stupid behaviour that has caused the draconian law to be introduced.
Sad to watch a country being internationally admired for its will to stand up against terrorists that blew up the Rainbow Warrior, introducing anti nuclear legislation, having designated National Parks that are the envy of so many, being a bacon of sanity – albeit sometimes hard fought for. And then, within a relative short time, such reputation is not just diminished but by will of individual interest a country is fast moving towards something quite unimaginable – spying on people, corporate sponsorship of gaming halls, legal synthetic garbage, collaboration with international corporations to amend civil liberty laws etc.. sad, really sad.
I guess that a justification for protest is that it wins the hearts and minds of the public. It seems that the more extreme versions of protest haven’t achieved that objective.
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Is that real?
I truly hope so. Can anyone in Wellington pop downtown and check?
Haven’t popped downtown to check, but here’s a Greenpeace press release about it from Scoop:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1307/S00197/minister-in-pants-on-fire-accusations-on-capital-billboard.htm
Yeah, I just saw it yesterday, it’s real.
Oh yes Weka it truly is, and we need more about the rest of them.
Love that it’s over Banks shoes. Nice name association there.
Was going to make the same comment, Rosy. Good one! đ
gosh all the skyline pollution – wonder how much petroluem was burned to print that poster and all the vehicles…good Simon Bridges has been honoured. Lets not forget the big head office renovation going on at the moment for the heavyweughts at the top of greenpeace.
What’s your point?
That’s the best you can do? You’re barely literate, son.
Greenpeace have no proof at all. that’s my point – I gather Simon bridges cant either – so what a waste of energy on a billboard.
Bet you a dollar the Greens supported this!
Simon bridges cant
Cant indeed.
“Greenpeace have no proof at all.”
That Bridges has been accused of misleading parliament over whether he met with oil industry bods?
Or that he says we can clean up oil spills?
Or the fact that we can’t?
I think all three of those are pretty easy to prove. Am pretty sure Greenpeace believe that too and aren’t expecting a libel suit any time soon
Lying lying lying…all these lying MP’s so how come we top anti corruption stakes. Greenpeace is only good for shooting themselves in the foot. Good to see on the news tonight USA about to be bigger than the Arabs on oil production. So much for peak oil. However people dying in china from pollution and getting cancer. Then the lefts want to tax fuel for Auckland roads and raise toll money.
I remember this argument about how tv causes violence etc etc. P.S. There was no tv during world war one or the napoleanic wars…people just make stuff up and on here is some real shape shifters but I enjoy the debate.
And before someone gives me a lecture on ww1 Its my pet subject so have some pretty dam good links between millions of death and sesame street if you are going to claim tv is the cause for violence. The was no tv.
I digress…oil production has another 200 years to go and by that time we would of landed on mars.
*facepalm* So much stupid in one comment.
Peak Oil is about peak production, and the relationship between oil and the economy (it’s not about how much oil is left in the ground). Show me some evidence that Hubbert was wrong (about the timing, as I assume even you understand the basics of physics involved in non-renewable resources).
Corruption is cultural. The corruption we have in the current govt is culturally sanctioned corruption, as opposed to the corruption we look at in other countries which doesn’t fit our ideas about what is ok.
Violence… am pretty sure the violence in WW1 was because countries with lots of soldiers were at war with each other. Citation needed for anyone ever saying that TV caused WW1.
btw, I take it from your lack of response to my comment that you reCant your statement about Greenpeace having no proof.
Re: the violence comment. I think Yes is saying that if someone suggests that TV leads to higher violence then ALL violence must be caused by TV. Therefore, if one can find an instance of violence that was not preceded by TV (e.g. WW1), then it would disprove the hypothesis.
I know it makes absolutely no sense, but is consistent with other comments Yes has posted so far. Draw your own conclusions from what this says about his/her ability to think.
It looks to me like Yes is about 12. The stuff Yes is writing is childlike.
Yes it had crossed my mind. Even kiwiteen123 made more sense.
Oh god don’t say his name, he might appear.
Something tells me he never really went away.
I had a blue one once. But the second wheel fell off and it never tasted so good.
That’s giraffes for you though!
Spectacles.
And yet, somehow this makes more sense than yes’s comment.
Lying lying lyingâŠall these lying MPâs so how come we top anti corruption stakes.
Actually, we don’t:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_New_Zealand
Ignorance personified, yes.,..
just… wow
You really have NFI WTF you’re talking about do you? Peak Oil happened for conventional oil in 2005/6. That and the massive price jump for crude drove development of uncoventional oil. The problem with unconventional oil is a) that’s it’s EROEI is far less and b) that it peaks a hell of a lot faster. So, what’s really happening is that we’re bumping along the bumpy plateau of Peak Oil now, sooner or later, we’ll start going down the other side and demand still isn’t decreasing.
NZ will be one of the first countries priced out of the oil market and that includes our own oil. That latter part really shows the shear delusion of the free-market – we apparently can’t afford our own resources, resources that we already own.
Nobody who knows anything about Peak Oil hasn’t said otherwise. What they said is that production won’t match demand.
Actually, that seems to be The Consensus-Building Group.
Too much madness in your post to address, but the below requires more.
Do you actually believe that your family/offspring are going to be part of any *deep space* plans for colonization, I mean are you completely deluded, or have you been *promised* a seat on the starship enterprise?
You write like someone who genuinely does not give a toss, but your style betrays your fear.
If you seriously believe what you write, then I have a single question for you.
– What do you hope to achieve, and what are your preferred outcomes for NZ, and humanity in general!
Don’t hold back, I would like to understand where your bigger picture is heading!
I want a country where politicians don’t be make rubbish up. That simple
No you don’t or you wouldn’t spend most of your time on here defending those found to be misleading the electorate.
Yes!
Yes! Because Mars gets as close as only 54.6 million kilometres from Earth, we already know how to travel to the moon (363,104 kilometres), we will be able to terraform entire planets by shooting friggin laser beams at them and StarTrek is real…it’s REAL I tells ya!
With such an unsurpassed intellect, have you ever thought about working for Simon Bridges yes?
Neither greenpeace or bridges can prove each other wrong because hither know?
WTF? Does your mum know you’re on here?
lol Yes you are a little kid
Spellcheck fail. I imagine it should be:
because neither know
You owe a dollar
Actually there is some pretty compelling evidence that we are not equipped to deal with a major oil spill. Keys and co are well aware of this but greed is good, so there you have it.
Compelling eveidence alright – walked on the beach last night – still polluted from Rena, plastic beads all up on the high tide line, keep getting oil spots on the surfboard after a few waves..can’t even clean that up nearly 2 years on…and this geezer is my ‘local’ MP….
You’re right Yes, imagine though how awful it would be if Bridges had signed something for charity that he hadn’t painted. Now THAT would be heinous…
Nice work, Greens.
We won’t get changes until we start publicly embarrassing dishonest MPs.
(Greenpeace, I note, not Green Party.)
Brilliant!!!
Next – a billboard listing all of Key’s lies and broken promises.
Only thing though… is there a billboard big enough?!
Maybe, at a stretch:
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1424254.jpg
http://parish-without-borders.net/ddp/activities/2012-Activities/Graphics/apcd3-8c.jpg
http://blogbaladi.com/images/94895_mainimg-425×282.jpg
Do we go back as far as the EBs funding meetings with Key?
http://ecofriend.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/dubai-billboard_RICJg_69.jpg
http://adland.tv/n1rv4n4g8/2005/septjpg/20.jpg
“Only thing though⊠is there a billboard big enough?!”
We should crowdfund BLiP’s list!
Crowd fund BLiP’s list? Absolutely! Count me in!
It could go on the hill adjacent to the Wgtn airport and replace that stupid “Wellington” sign that was put up last year. BLiP’s list could be put up on all major landmarks in cities and towns around NZ.
I would donate to that fund. Maybe bring back town criers and read out his lies that way, in shopping malls and shopping centres and parks
đ
Probably more of the side of a mountain than a billboard.
Accused… lol.
Yes indeed Greenpeace NOT Greens. I just received their blurb in the mail and not ONE WORD about dismantling Keys spy network. Can’t say I’m much pleased with this given Norman’s renunciation of Keys actions.
Maybe the Greenpeace party? They could have my vote.
Awesome…this is the sort of hard arsed tactics needed to expose this National Party, the MSM aren’t doing their job of exposing the truth so you just have to find another way…MORE PLEASE!
Greenpeace is as credible as Grant Robertson denying a leadership coup. Nothing to see here.
Classic headline:
“Simon Bridges denies his pants are on fire”
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/1742280717-simon-bridges-denies-his-pants-are-on-fire
sigh….that article contains another glib lie – he ain’t a boy from Tauranga, just a national party blow in from Te Atatu…they just keep rolling off the tongue
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Bridges bullshit
Bridges bullshit
Bridges bullshit
Bridges the bullshitter
Great job Greenpeace.
It does make me wonder though: whatever happened to the fine old tradition of political graffitti.
It is truly a sad measure of our lack of political engagement when the only signs of dissent are in paid advertising.
In countries where there is still a strong sense that things can be changed every available blank public space is filled with political messaging.
Its probably been partly replaced by Facebooking but this alone is not enough, the message needs to be in the face of the enemy.
Agreed Lefty. There has been long absence of clever political art, satire and graffiti in this town. The creative and free expression that used to be around has just disappeared over the years, along with any fight we once had in us. It needs to be there as a counter to the insipid and framed messages that people derive from the MSM. It needs to be there to challenge people’s belief they have in the lies they are told and it needs to be there to be a direct challenge to those who tell those lies.
Speaking of MSM framing, heres a classic pro govt headline from stuffed.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8928503/Pants-on-fire-attack-on-minister
So, Simon Bridges has been “attacked”. Do they ever say anything about Bridge’s attacks on democracy and his attacks of workers? No they don’t. They are apologists for this govt.
Come back street artists. There’s no better time than now.
Didn’t Greenpeace say it was an apolitical organisation?
No surprise the Charities Commission revoked its tax-free status, since they are an arm of the Green Party.
Actually they won at the Court of Appeal.
http://www.charities.govt.nz/assets/docs/registration/judgments/GreenpeaceNZIncmediarelease.pdf
Can you cite some sources for “they are the arm of the Green Party”. Is the Employers federation an arm of the National Party? Or the Round Table? Notice how quiet the BRT is when National is in government?
Santi do you support Ministers lying or misleading the electorate?
Well said, Tracey.
As an aside, the Business Roundtable is no more. In 2012 it merged with the NZ Institute into the “New Zealand Initiative”.
also – apolitical and charity are two completely different things
you can be a charity with political leanings/affiliations
you can be a lobby group that is apolitical
can you see the difference santi?
When you’re leary
Feeling pall
When doubt is in your eyes
I will lie to you all
I’m on your side
When polls get rough
And truth just can’t be found
Like a Bridge over polluted water
I will lie me down
Like a Bridge over polluted water
I will lie me down
When you’re down and out
When you’re on the street
When wages fall so hard
I will lie to you
I’ll make up a part
When oil spills come
And birds lie all around
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will lie me down
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will lie me down
Drill on Corporate Oil,
Drill on down
Your time has come to scour
All your profit is on the way
See how they refine
If you need a friend
I’m lying right behind
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will ease your way
Like a Bridge over troubled water
I will lie your way
Applause!
and more applause
“On a more serious note, he has denied any conspiracy and says he was not lobbied by anyone to change the law.”
Note he doesn’t actually address the lie that the billboard raise, of him meeting with the oil industry.
He is directly addressing it – he is accused of misleading parliament because he said he never meet with anyone from the oil industry to discuss the changes about protesting at sea. It then emerged he had met with Shell a couple of weeks before introducing those changes. His argument is that the meeting was not about those changes but about something else.
If he can prove that that meeting did not discuss those changes there is no lie.
Also, while it is likely that they did discuss it, it is also likely that nothing will come of the misleading parliament charge as the accusers will need to prove that he did discuss that with Shell and I can’t see how they will do that.
Fomm the NZ Herald
Bridges said he was “chuffed” about the billboard.
“As a boy from Tauranga, I’ve always wanted my name up in lights in the big city. Now it’s happened and I managed to get Greenpeace to pay for it.”
Another lie.
Bridges has claimned to be a boy from Te Atatu and there was a billboard of him and Tau Henare for a public meeting about the “Local boy done well” story.
Bridges is well done now
Chris, can we agree that it is highly unlikely he was not lobbied by anyone to change the law? I must say when Mr Key promised in 2008 to be transparent and to even answer questions he wasn’t asked (Paul Henry interview on Breakfast), I hoped we were seeing a turning point. We weren’t.
“If he can prove that that meeting did not discuss those changes there is no lie.”
And he hasn’t. He has denied the accusation which is different. Politicians denying accusations of lying or misleading the public is like a tour de france winner saying he is as appalled by other people taking drugs as everyone else but he is clean..
As long as we, the public accept that if it is our “team’ doing the misleading, well, what can we do. As long as we see our government of preference about being on the winning or losing team, we are sunk.
Family First says the decline in children being born into wedlock is a danger warning, I say accepting misleading, obsfucation and lie as “normal” behaviour in ALL our politicians we are sunk.
I completely agree it is highly unlikely. The timing is all too convenient. I don’t agree with what he has done at all. My post was more to try and point out that the lie he is accused of was not that he met with petrol company representatives, he has already admitted that he did.
From wikipedia
“Early life
Simon Bridges was born in October 1976 in Auckland, the youngest of six children. His father, a MÄori of NgÄti Maniapoto descent, was a Baptist Minister, and his mother, a NZ European from Waihi, was a primary school teacher. He is also related to former Labour Cabinet minister Koro WÄtere.[1]
Bridges grew up in Te Atatu, where he attended high school at Rutherford College. There, he was taught by future Labour Education Minister Chris Carter, and also became Head Boy of the college.[2][3] He went on to complete a BA in political science and history and an LLB (Hons) at the University of Auckland.
Legal career
Bridges began his legal career as a litigation lawyer at a major Auckland law firm, Kensington Swan.[2] He moved to Tauranga in 2001 to take up a position as a Crown prosecutor in the District and High Courts. During this time, he took leave to travel to the United Kingdom to study at the London School of Economics, and later to complete a postgraduate law degree at St Catherine’s College, Oxford; he also worked as an intern in the British House of Commons.[2] As a Crown prosecutor in Tauranga, Bridges mainly worked on jury trials.[4] Bridges ended his legal career in 2008, when he was nominated by the National Party to stand for election to the New Zealand Parliament.[5]
Early political career
Bridges became a member of the Young Nationals at the age of 16 and was elected Deputy New Zealand Chair in 1997. He was active in National’s West Auckland organisation as a member of Brian Neeson’s electorate team, whom he supported at the 2002 general election against a challenge by John Key for the National Party candidacy to contest the new seat of Helensville.[2] In the following years, he held several senior positions within the party, including sitting on the National Party rules committee and chairperson of the Tauranga National Party.[5]”
“…During this time, he took leave to travel to the United Kingdom to study at the London School of Economics …”
LOL. I wonder whether he studied under Prof Robert Wade, Bill English’s new “bestie” as discussed in the Truth Makes Them Angry post here?
I somehow doubt that they (Bridges/Wade) share the same views!
One can see how the young agents life pans out, while receiving the obligatory rinse along the road.
They are a familiar journey, one which inevitably leads back to home base, ready to take the order they were given, and having way cleared for them, to rule!
Bridges actions betray NZ, that much is well established!
Brian Neeson. Pffffft! Says it all really.
Being accused of telling porkies by Greenpeace is deep irony
A climate change denialist sneering at Greenpeace is deep irony.
Who’s in denial? The latest science shows that carbon dioxide fertilisation is leading to a massive greening of the planet.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50563/abstract
Seriously, whatever PR genius from the green taliban thought this up so far out of their depth they should be working on the Brent Spar
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/greenpeaces-brent-spar-apology-1599647.html
Probably bad news: more greenery = lower albedo.
Closer to home, don’t forget about this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10796431
They will lie any chance they get and even after being pulled up time and again they have the audacity to put up this billboard, which for all we know is yet another lie! Although they cover themselves by saying ‘has been accused’ and never using the word ‘lie’, clever, because when they they are inevitably found to be wrong yet again they can’t be done for defamation.
must – attack – messenger
Pot, kettle, black.
Greenpeace, a quasi-terrorist organization (remember the invasions), has no credibility.
“a quasi-terrorist organization (remember the invasions)”
what?
care to elaborate on that one?
Invasion? Quasi Terrorist? What are you on about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
Nonsense and misinformation is being propagated about the nature of the ban on protesting. For instance, from the article:
What utter nonsense. Protesting at sea isn’t banned. Greenpeace can still go and protest in probably 99.999% of the sea without restriction.
And the protests in the other 0.001%?
Banned.
Those protests would be at sea.
So… well, you know the rest.
As I understand it, protests can take place outside of 500 metres from a drilling site. That seems sensible from a health and safety perspective alone, and is still close enough to be seen making a point.
I can well imagine that if a protester got injured or killed on a drilling site, then the very same people bleating about the current ban would start bleating that the government hadn’t passed any law to stop them getting into harms way.
Oi! Don’t be bringing that kind of logic into this arguement.
Indeed. Idiot’s logic.
If protesters are close enough to endanger safety of themselves or others, this is covered by maritime law, OSH, and the crimes act. No arbitrary “500m”. And the RICO-esque seasoning on the law is clearly aimed at prosecuting organisations when there is absolutely no evidence that the organisation incited or participated in the “offence”.
Quite right, TS. They’re allowed to protest as long as they don’t do so effectively. Very sensible.
The problem is that such protests have impeded organisations from engaging in lawful activities in the past. Seems strange to me that they should be complaining about the government limiting their right to act lawfully when they attempt to do the same to other organisations. Hypocrites much.
Protests are a form of civil disobedience. Suck it up mate, that’s just the way it is.
And the ship can go anywhere it likes. The 500 metres keeps shifting. In other words the entire ocean is out of bounds for protest.
So we have an Alcohol ban in NZ because some local councils have liquor bans in public areas?
Pull your head in.
Even with all our earthquakes, local council areas move around a little less than ships at sea. Not a sailor, are you Bob?
I’m getting tired of all the “nonsense and misinformation” being propagated about it being illegal to take mind altering drugs in this country.
People complain that they’re only affecting their own body and mind so what business is it of anyone else.
What nonsense. Substances aren’t banned. People can probably still partake of 99.999% of all the consumable substances in the world without restriction.
Except your logic doesn’t follow. I was objecting to the claim that protests had been banned at sea, which is clearly not the gase.
To follow logically, you would need to say:
Perhaps you would like to reword your argument starting at that position.
Thank you, your rewording is fine. Carry on.
Yes. People must only protest unlawful activity
I haven’t seen so much grease on a billboard since the last close up of Elvis Presleys hair do.
I believe it’s excellent propaganda for Bridges, who will easily win the seat (again).
Keep at it Redpeace, sorry, Greenpeace.
GREAT work Greenpeace!
Well done.
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Our #PantsOnFire billboard has caused quite a stir in Wellington .. but Simon Bridges MP has so far failed to clear his name in response to allegations that he mislead Parliament and New Zealand over his dealings with Shell regarding the controversial Crown Minerals Bill amendment and law changes around protest at sea … http://act.gp/18mj1DH
And he says that we can deal with an oil spill. We canât.
He also said that he thought the photo was good and he was chuffed to have his own billboard in Wellington… http://goo.gl/ygdSw
#AnadarkoAmendment
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This is a form of ‘corrupt practice’ known as ‘State capture’ – where vested interests lobby for the legislation that serves their interests at the ‘policy’ stage, before the legislation is passed.
In my considered opinion as an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner – this is a form of ‘grand’ corruption which is endemic in corrupt, polluted tax haven – New Zealand (aka ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ ).
(Check out the Regulatory Impact Statements / Reports and see who has been ‘consulted’? )
Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation’ campaigner
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
I really don’t understand all the whining and bleating about the law being changed to limit protest.
Organisations such as Greenpeace display very little regard for the law when it comes to inhibiting the rights of others to engage in lawful activity. So why complain and bleat about it when the government acts to limit the lawful right of protest? Surely its just a case of them not liking it when the boot is on the other foot.
Since these organisations often display little regard for the law anyway, then why not just ignore the 500 metre law and accept the consequences? All this whining and bleating doesn’t impress me at all. Or is it just that we have fairweather protestors here who will only protest when everything is in their favour?
That is the whole point.
– The law is being changed to limit protest.
– The law is being changed to try to limit the effectiveness of protest.
– The law is being changed to try to muzzle protest.
– The law is being changed to try to limit peoples’ rights to defend the values they believe in.
Yet organisations such as Greenpeace are very happy to do the same in trying to limit the ability of other organisations to go about their lawful activities.
You are making a lot of assumptions about why the government has changed the law in this respect.
Perhaps the government is trying to ensure the rights of organisations to act lawfully are properly balanced, so that the rights of one doesn’t infringe on the rights of the other. Do you think?
“Lawful” does not always make it right, TS. A bad law can have dire consequences for all of us – you included.
Absolutely. But the rights to protest are already balanced against the rights of others. For example, I couldn’t lawfully break into your house to protest against something. So, there isn’t anything particularly unusual about legislating to ensure that competing rights are balanced equitably.
“I couldnât lawfully break into your house to protest against something.”
Good comparison TS Not.
This law change is just another attack on people/organizations being able to organize a protest, but you know that TS.
“Breaking into my house”?!
Not a good comparison at all, TS. (Unless my stereo is blaring at 3am in the morning and Noise Control is nowhere to be seen.)
And really, when you’re refering to “the rights to protest are already balanced against the rights of others”, that’s code for neutering the ability of protesters to carry out effective protest.
‘I couldn’t break into your house’. Not a valid comparison. What if you were arrested for going within half a km of someone’s house. Being arrested for protesting in a neighbouring suburb.
So, should the line be drawn anywhere so far as protest against legal activities is concerned. If so, where?
Now that’s an excellent question, Ts.
And to be honest with you, it’s not an easy one to answer…
All, I can say is that it depends on the situation. Personally speaking, I doubt I’d be involved in any protest that involved violence that threatened peoples’ lives.
So, it seems we both agree the line should be drawn somewhere. The answer is therefore going to be a subjective one. So, a 500 metre limit isn’t necessarily wrong. As you say, it depends on the situation.
There are other instances where boundaries are set for protests. For instance, when protestors are kept behind barriers when visiting VIPs visit and the like. So, it is not without precedent.
The onus is always on those who want to curtail freedom, not the other way around.
Making legal protest illegal needs to be justified. Whether the protest is against something that is legal or illegal, undertaken by individuals, companies or government is irrelevant. If there is no reasonable basis for changing the status of legal protest, then it shouldn’t be changed. Pretending that the target of the protest has something to do with it is at best misleading.
It seems that the 500 metre limit is a secondary offence that seems related to the tendency of some protesters to sabotage and interfere with legitimate activities. I don’t believe that sort of activity would qualify as legal protest, especially if it compromised safety.
So, perhaps the protesters have brought the 500 metre limit on themselves due to past behaviour.
One could argue that the protests haven’t been effective enough so the stupid behaviour they are protesting about continues and sane people have to continue to protest. In this case its the stupid behaviour that has caused the draconian law to be introduced.
Sad to watch a country being internationally admired for its will to stand up against terrorists that blew up the Rainbow Warrior, introducing anti nuclear legislation, having designated National Parks that are the envy of so many, being a bacon of sanity – albeit sometimes hard fought for. And then, within a relative short time, such reputation is not just diminished but by will of individual interest a country is fast moving towards something quite unimaginable – spying on people, corporate sponsorship of gaming halls, legal synthetic garbage, collaboration with international corporations to amend civil liberty laws etc.. sad, really sad.
I guess that a justification for protest is that it wins the hearts and minds of the public. It seems that the more extreme versions of protest haven’t achieved that objective.