Slater’s bid- fail!
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[updated] Slater has failed in his bid to gag the media. There is an interim injunction against Rawshark from publishing any further hacked material. He had already signed of Twitter before today’s court proceedings, and said all the remaining dumps are with the media.
The High Court decision is that the media can write about material already in the public domain, or already in their possession.
Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater has had a partial victory in getting an interim injunction stopping further publication of private emails and communications stolen by a hacker.
A hearing in the Auckland High Court was held today before Justice John Fogarty, with Slater taking Mediaworks TV, The New Zealand Herald, Fairfax and “unknown defendants” referring to the person using the Twitter account @whaledump and the subsequent @whaledump2 account over his hacked emails and online communications.
In making his judgement, Justice Fogarty made the interim injunction against only the “unknown defendants”, saying he was reluctant to extend the order to the three media organisations.
A High Court judge has served an interim injunction against media publishing Cameron Slater’s hacked emails.
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The injunction rules that stories can be published based on information the media outlets already have, but new stories would be in breach.
According to the Herald‘s Tim Murphy on Twitter:
Court result: Whaledump injuncted on an interim basis while three media cos not. Effect of that: material already in hand by media usable.
TV3 News is right now calling Slater’s bid a fail.
Rawshark had already said his goodbyes before the court proceedings started today.
This was never about party politics for me. I have done what I set out to do. It is time to go. #whaledump
— Whaledump2 (@whaledump2) September 4, 2014
To targeted ratfuckers: Good luck lying. Remaining dumps are with journos. You feeling lucky, punk? #whaledump
— Whaledump2 (@whaledump2) September 5, 2014
By the time you read this, every device used in this operation will have been destroyed and disposed of along with all the decryption keys.
— Whaledump2 (@whaledump2) September 5, 2014
[BURN PROTOCOL ACTIVATED.] So long, Aotearoa! https://t.co/WDHhnV0G1M #dirtypolitics #whaledump
— Whaledump2 (@whaledump2) September 5, 2014
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- Referendums for Māori wards a racist step backwardsThe Government's imposed referendum on Māori wards is a racist step backwards for Māori representation, and disregards Te Tiriti o Waitangi. ...2 weeks ago
- Release: Job losses at Health not worth it for tax cutsNew Zealand will feel the harm of the National Government’s reckless cuts to jobs at the health ministry for generations, says Ayesha Verrall. ...2 weeks ago
- Press release: No Māori initiatives in Government’s nothing planMāori are yet to see anything from this Government except cuts, reversals and taking our people backwards, Māori Development spokesperson Willie Jackson said. ...2 weeks ago
- Thirty six point PR spinThe Government’s ‘36 point’ plan for the next three months is as pointless as it is hollow. ...3 weeks ago
- Thirty six point PR spinThe Government’s ‘36 point’ plan for the next three months is as pointless as it is hollow. ...3 weeks ago
- Thirty six point PR spinThe Government’s ‘36 point’ plan for the next three months is as pointless as it is hollow. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Social housing off Government’s to-do listThe Coalition Government’s refusal to commit to ongoing funding for social housing is seeing the sector pull back on developments and families watch their dreams of securing a home fade away, says Labour Housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Less money in most people’s pockets this AprilChanges to minimum wage and benefit indexation means many New Zealanders will get less this year, as the Government gives a big tax break to landlords instead. ...3 weeks ago
- $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
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- Judicial appointments announcedAttorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...13 hours ago
- Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in SingaporeEducation Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...13 hours ago
- Value of stopbank project proven during cycloneA stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...14 hours ago
- Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visitForeign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...14 hours ago
- Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac DayScience, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...16 hours ago
- Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the PhilippinesPrime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...1 day ago
- Government commits $20m to Westport flood protectionThe Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...1 day ago
- Taupō takes pole positionThe Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...1 day ago
- Cost of living support for low-income homeownersLocal Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...2 days ago
- Government backing mussel spat projectThe Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...2 days ago
- Government focused on getting people into workBenefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...2 days ago
- Clean energy key driver to reducing emissionsThe Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...2 days ago
- Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forwardThe Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...2 days ago
- Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic PartnershipPrime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...2 days ago
- Government consults on extending coastal permits for portsRMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...3 days ago
- Inflation coming down, but more work to doToday’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...3 days ago
- School attendance restored as a priority in health adviceRefreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...3 days ago
- Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sectorOceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...3 days ago
- Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International CongressAssociate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...4 days ago
- Removing red tape to help early learners thriveThe Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...4 days ago
- RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tapeChanges to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...4 days ago
- McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationshipTrade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...4 days ago
- Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister LeePrime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...4 days ago
- PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ tiesPrime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...4 days ago
- Antarctica New Zealand Board appointmentsForeign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner. The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...4 days ago
- Finance Minister travels to Washington DCFinance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...4 days ago
- Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlordsThe coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...5 days ago
- Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being consideredState Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...5 days ago
- New Zealand condemns Iranian strikesPrime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel. “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says. "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...5 days ago
- Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plansHundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...1 week ago
- Health Minister thanks outgoing Health New Zealand ChairHealth Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board. “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti. “I have asked her to ...1 week ago
- Roads of National Significance planning underwayThe NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...1 week ago
- Navigating an unstable global environmentNew Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States. “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...1 week ago
- NZ welcomes Australian Governor-GeneralPrime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...1 week ago
- Pseudoephedrine back on shelves for WinterAssociate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...1 week ago
- NZ and the US: an ever closer partnershipNew Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...1 week ago
- Joint US and NZ declarationApril 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...1 week ago
- NZ and US to undertake further practical Pacific cooperationForeign Minister Winston Peters has announced further New Zealand cooperation with the United States in the Pacific Islands region through $16.4 million in funding for initiatives in digital connectivity and oceans and fisheries research. “New Zealand can achieve more in the Pacific if we work together more urgently and ...1 week ago
- Rousing farewell for Kiwi doctors flying out to Gaza aid flotilla
Kia Ora Gaza A passionate haka reverberated through Auckland International Airport as a medical team of three New Zealand doctors received an emotional farewell from a big crowd of supporters before flying to Turkey to join the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. The doctors, who left Auckland yesterday, hope to ...4 hours ago - Communities Against The Fast-track Heartened By ‘Overwhelming’ Public Response; Disgusted By ‘...
With submissions closing today, Macassey-Pickard says groups around the country have been supporting a huge range of people to make their submissions. ...5 hours ago - Renters Rights To Drastically Reduce Under Landlord GovernmentThe Government’s announced changes around tenancy rules set renters’ rights back by nearly a decade. ...6 hours ago
- NZPI Submission on Fast Track Approvals BillOur response to the new legislation is informed by targeted conversations with practitioners working in the system and through an implementation lens. ...6 hours ago
- Fast Track Invite List Includes Most Destructive Industries In New ZealandThe new ‘Fast-track Approvals Bill’ would give just three Ministers the power to approve or deny development projects. They would avoid the usual checks and balances that are in place to protect rivers, land, the ocean, and communities. ...6 hours ago
- Eugene Doyle: Helen Clark on why AUKUS isn’t in New Zealand’s national interestCOMMENTARY: By Eugene Doyle Helen Clark, how I miss you. The former New Zealand Prime Minister — the safest pair of hands this country has had in living memory — gave a masterclass on the importance of maintaining an independent foreign policy when she spoke at an AUKUS symposium held ...6 hours ago
- Government releases list of organisations shoulder-tapped for fast-track consents
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- It never rains but it pours: intense rain and flash floods have increased inland in eastern Australi...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Milton Speer, Visiting Fellow, School of Mathematical and Physical Sciences, University of Technology Sydney Before climate change really got going, eastern Australia’s flash floods tended to concentrate on our coastal regions, east of the Great Dividing Range. But that’s changing. Now ...8 hours ago
- Watch: Christopher Luxon speaks to media in ManilaThe PM has defended how he's talked up NZ trade on his trip to Southeast Asia, after criticism from his own delegation. ...9 hours ago
- ‘It could be the death of the museum’: why research cuts at a South Australian institution have ...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elizabeth Finkel, Vice-Chancellor’s Fellow, La Trobe University Sia Duff / South Australian Museum In February, the South Australian Museum “re-imagined” itself. In the face of rising costs and inadequate government funds, CEO David Gaimster, who took the reins last June, declared ...9 hours ago
- Government signs off $41m clean energy deal with Asian Development BankThe government has committed $41 million to clean energy transition at the Asian Development Bank's Energy Transition Mechanism. ...9 hours ago
- Are 2 mid-career AFL retirements a sign Australian athletes are taking brain health more seriously?Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alan Pearce, Professor, School of Allied Heath, Human Services & Sport, La Trobe University, La Trobe University This week, Collingwood AFL player Nathan Murphy announced his retirement, brought on by his concussion history and ongoing issues. The 24-year-old’s seemingly sudden retirement, ...11 hours ago
- Luxon: Waitangi Tribunal comments from coalition parties 'ill considered'Comments from ACT and NZ First ministers about the Tribunal were "ill considered" and "that message will be underscored" to them, the PM says. ...11 hours ago
- Mental Health Foundation Facing Staff Cuts From Govt Funding SqueezeThe Mental Health Foundation provides support and resources for those facing the loss of their job, so it’s wrong in the very week the Government adds another 1000 jobs to its tally of cuts, that this is happening. ...12 hours ago
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- How the coolest little capital is shrinkingIt's not the first time a government has targeted public servants for job cuts, but this time Wellington is really feeling it. ...12 hours ago
- Many prisoners go years without touching a smartphone. It means they struggle to navigate life on th...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ye In (Jane) Hwang, Postdoctoral Research Associate at School of Population Health, UNSW Sydney Shutterstock You’d be hard pressed to find any aspect of daily life that doesn’t require some form of digital literacy. We need only to look back ten ...12 hours ago
- Ministers accused of Cabinet Manual breach with threats to Waitangi Tribunal
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says threats by ministers Shane Jones and David Seymour to reform or close down the Waitangi Tribunal were “ill-considered”, as legal experts say the ministers may have breached Cabinet Manual conventions. “I think those comments are ill-considered and we expect all ministers to actually exercise good ...12 hours ago - Good news: midlife health is about more than a waist measurement. Here’s whySource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rob Newton, Professor of Exercise Medicine, Edith Cowan University Pexels/RDNE stock project You’re not in your 20s or 30s anymore and you know regular health checks are important. So you go to your GP. During the appointment they measure your waist. ...12 hours ago
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- Department of Conservation closing Dunedin centre, but no jobs lostVisitor habits are changing and DOC needs to adapt in a financially sustainable way, its operations director says. ...12 hours ago
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- Watch live: Christopher Luxon speaks to media in ManilaPrime Minister Christopher Luxon is speaking to reporters in Manila after pledging greater defence cooperation with the Philippines. Watch live. ...13 hours ago
- Government sent please explain letter to Wellington City Council over transport disagreementThe contents were revealed in correspondence from Simeon Brown and Chris Bishop to Wellington's Mayor. ...13 hours ago
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- Mental Health Foundation staff cuts loom, with funding falling behind rising costsChief executive Shaun Robinson said it has not had any government funding cut, but government-funded contracts have not kept pace with rising costs. ...13 hours ago
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- Rugby stadiums are sold as an economic asset – but NZ needs to ask if they’re really worth itSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Robert Hamlin, Senior Lecturer in Marketing , University of Otago A multi-billion dollar stadium precinct has been proposed for Auckland, one of three proposals in front of Auckland Council for a new stadium in the city. The council is also considering revamping ...14 hours ago
- Auckland dog attacks: Callouts for attacks on other animals going upRoaming dogs are responsible for more than a thousand attacks on animals each year, and the number is growing. ...14 hours ago
- What access to puberty blockers means for trans young people and their whānauThe Ministry of Health has delayed the release of its evidence brief on the safety, reversibility and mental health and wellbeing outcomes for puberty blockers. While we wait, Julia de Bres speaks to those with firsthand experience. Best practice gender-affirming healthcare is based on trans people’s self-determination and agency. The ...14 hours ago
- NZ and Philippines pledge defence cooperation amid rising tensionsThe commitment came after a sit-down meeting between Christopher Luxon and President Ferdinand "Bongbong" Romualdez Marcos Jr overnight. ...15 hours ago
- How superblocks can help reimagine city lifeBarcelona’s city streets have gone from traffic-clogged to pedestrian-friendly. How? Superblocks. Ellen Rykers explains. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week I read a great interview with renowned urbanist Janette Sadik-Khan by The Spinoff’s Wellington editor Joel MacManus: “You can reimagine streets, ...16 hours ago
- Fire engineering expertise may take a big hit with job cuts at MBIEThe public sector cuts are poised to take out a big chunk of expertise at the country's building regulator. ...16 hours ago
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- Rip It Up And Start Over – Fast-Track Approvals Bill Needs To Be Scrapped“It will cause significant harm to our environment and communities. It is completely at odds with New Zealanders’ relationship with nature and our need for a low-carbon, sustainable economic future." ...17 hours ago
- Maori Authority Warns Government On Fast Track LegislationThe Chair of the National Maori Authority, Matthew Tukaki, has warned a Parliamentary Select Committee that fast-tracking legislation is a perilous practice that undermines the core tenets of democracy, transparency, and accountability. ...17 hours ago
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- Many suicides are related to gambling. How can we tackle this problem?Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anastasia Hronis, Clinical Psychologist, University of Technology Sydney Darya Sannikova/Pexels Whether you’re watching TV, attending a footy game, or eating a meal at your local pub, gambling is hard to escape. Although the rise of gambling is not unique to Australia, ...18 hours ago
- Things that go buzz in the night – our global study found there really are more insects out after ...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Wong, Forrest Fellow, School of Biological Sciences, The University of Western Australia Have you ever wondered if there are more insects out at night than during the day? We set out to answer this question by combing through the scientific ...18 hours ago
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- ‘Character’ And Its Impact On Immigration StatusThe Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) is sounding a warning to migrants, that running foul of the law may see them leaving the country prematurely. ...18 hours ago
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- Auckland uni students threaten rent strike over rising accommodation feesResidents of University of Auckland halls are being urged to withhold their accommodation fees from May 1, in a bid to force the university to take student concerns over rent hikes seriously. The University of Auckland is facing a strike from students over the cost of on-campus accommodation. The Students ...21 hours ago
- New Zealand transport planning has gone off the railsOpinion: The famed American architect and urban designer Daniel Burnham once said, “Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir men’s blood!” Burnham wouldn’t have been referring to the transport plans in Aotearoa New Zealand over the past five years; projects so big they hadn’t the credibility to ...21 hours ago
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- Brakes on transport and logistics sector as demand for freight slowsThe transport sector is currently in the slow lane The post Brakes on transport and logistics sector as demand for freight slows appeared first on Newsroom. ...21 hours ago
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Yes according to RNZ on the way home, they can on anything they had at the time that the injunction was granted. The injunction is only against whaledump/rawshark.
BTW: Put this post up to the top…
Yes. But some news outlets are reporting that they can’t publish any new material,,
ZB:
That ZB report is wrong. The Yahoo report you linked to has been clarified to say:
Anything already leaked can be published (if its in the public interest) – so if rawshark/whaledump did indeed send all the remaining information to the media earlier today/yesterday, the injunction will have no effect on any new stories.
stuff is reporting
“Any information the media organisations had already received could be published, the judge said.
The order did not apply to information already in the public domain or information already received by the media organisations…. “
crystal clear — excellent.
NRT reckons the injunction makes no difference.
Yep it seems clear that Whaledump handed everything over before exiting twitter.
Talk about giving double …
So Whaledump’s signoff was extremely well-timed. I wonder if he gave the same material to all the media organisations, or divvied up different scoops between them.
Unless the media decide it is not in their interests to publish. And as their interests seem to be closely aligned with the Governments I would be cautious about what this means. Yes Rawshark has provided them with possibly explosive material but it seems that Rawshark has been muzzled himself (as it seems he is a he). So now we have to rely on the mainstream to put what is still not in the light of day out there. I’m not confident.
Rich .. if you read the TV3 link for statements by Paul Davison QC you might be happier … I am.
I reason it’s why Rawshark divided the dumps up between competitors — will keep them all honest and producing what they have against each other. I sure hope so, anyway.
edit: Interesting to note tho that Stuff and Herald and TV3 all headline with Slater’s success in gagging Whaledump — who self-gagged this morning anyway. Their own success in not being gagged is way down the stories.
Oh dear, I hope it’s not an indicator of what they intend.
3 News TV tonight called it a fail by Slater.
I don’t feel that confident about only those 3 media organisations having the material.
hacker said he would come back… he will send somewhere else if they fail. lprent sent a very clear message today.
tracey .. I think I missed what lprent said today .. can u direct me pse ? thx
http://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-sockpuppet-is-trying-to-muzzle-press/
I took Lynn’s statement to be about the already released dumps (which aren’t injuncted).
“hacker said he would come back… he will send somewhere else if they fail. lprent sent a very clear message today.”
Maybe, but what the hacker wants to happen and what we want to happen aren’t necessarily the same thing.
TV3 ..The injunction does not cover information already in the public domain or the contents of Dirty Politics.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/slater-gets-temporary-injunction-against-hacker-2014090517#ixzz3CPzbp0id
not sure if it adds anything …
Now TVNZ News just saying media are free to publish what they have.
3 news site is down.
My struggle with this is that the sole electoral effect of the revelations of RawShark and Nicki Hagar is to simply splinter the left vote. Unwittingly they have made a progressive change of government much less likely.
The whole effort was launched far too late to have effect beyond those with a degree of public sector engagement. Great for mobilising the progressives a little more, (though i doubt very much government will be cleaner as a result) but otherwise it’s been quite corrosive for the left’s efforts.
My sentiments too Ad. It’s well known by those with knowledge and experience in politics that it takes up to two months at the least before the public assimilates issues of this nature.
After the election is over and the truth starts to impact on them they will be saying… if I’d known that I would never have voted National. This, despite the fact that the truth is under their noses but many are too stupid to see it.
Oh, and for a bit of light relief:
TV3 went to Slater’s home for a response to the verdict but were unable to report it because it was quote unprintable and unbroadcastable unquote.
mmmmm …. maybe @ Ad. Some of the MSM I think might start to get a bit worried closer to the day as well.
Of course Whaledump also tweeted “Don’t make me come out of retirement” – which of course he can morally justify using Jonky reasoning (everyone does it, etc)
Ekshly, I was quite surprised Billington QC agreed to take the thing on … must be in need of a bit of coin.
It is a convention that barristers have to take instructions unless they are too busy or there is a conflict of interest.
Interestingly Julian Miles QC appeared for the media (at least APN) and he is also Amicus Curiae on the Slater v Blomfield High Court case.
micky .. so is he a partisan advocate in that role, and if so, to whom ? thx
Sounds to me like an amicus curiae is non-partisan.
I agree karol, but this wording at Law Commission website suggests otherwise is also possible, within the same role:
Amicus curiae
An amicus curiae, or friend of the court, is not a party to an action, but a person appointed by the court to assist it, either by providing information and submissions about a particular area of the law or, where one of the parties is unrepresented, by advancing legal arguments on that party’s behalf.472 The former role involves giving assistance to the court in a neutral and comprehensive way, ensuring all aspects of a dispute are teased out and addressed. The latter may involve partisan advocacy, including confrontation with opposing counsel.473
http://ip29.publications.lawcom.govt.nz/chapter+15+-+representation+and+other+participants/other+participants
Miles is top notch. The Blomfield case will reach a possible decision that Slater is a journalist but that there is public interest in requiring him to release the information sought.
If the case was reheard now, after Dirty Politics, then I think the Court would struggle to hold that Slater is a journalist. After all journalists do not normally get paid to attack people on behalf of corporates or attack innocent people with leaks from ministers or put their name on corporate propaganda articles.
Not only that, but I am pretty sure a Journalist writes their own stuff.
Indeed. It appears retrospectively that it is impossible for the casual reader to distinguish between actual journalism and paid advocacy (whether written by himself or not) which appears under his name. I think proper media organisations are obliged to signal to their readers what is news and what is advertorials, no?
“Unwittingly they have made a progressive change of government much less likely.”
Rawshark has been clear that his motivations aren’t political, so it might not be unwitting so much as don’t care.
a judge has now said they are in the public interest. slater has now legally admitted they are his.
that is a dent in the idea its a conspiracy or forgeries…
this is not the left saying it… a high court judge. might make a difference?
dunno
Yeah well, maybe if you followed the yarn you’d note that whaledump said on several occasions that this wasn’t about electoral politics for him.
Then you and the rest of the left shokd have ignored it and focused on changing the government. Instead…
🙄
Ad or PB? Both are staunch. Ad is never afraid to confront people’s views and if the polls are right he has a point.
It would have been worse if the revelations had not come out. The strategy identified in Hager’s book was being run very effectively against Cunliffe and Labour with minor hit pieces seemingly every week. At least people can now see why that was happening.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are willfully looking the other way.
Well the ones going to vote left are still going to. Some from the dumps have changed their mind and will not vote for national. Some voting national will have their doubts which may grow enough over the next few weeks. And some will still be haven’t read it but “I know it isn’t true.”
Would the best strategy for a Nact with doubts who isn’t going to vote further to the left be to look carefully at their electorate candidate and -if they are not part of the whaleoil crowd – candidate vote Nact only. No party vote or vote further left.
If candidate part of the whaleoil crowd then vote for the best other candidate.
Again no party vote.
Really any honest Nact’s, win or lose the election, want to reinforce the honest crowd within the party.
As to the left, well every little bit helps if people come across.
The hacker Whaledump2 tweeted this morning that he was putting an end to his operations and that he had ALREADY passed on the information to the MEDIA. So, I suppose the media can release those public interest revelations now as per the judgement. That is good news. I am sure ALL politicians and voters that care for integrity, transparency and fair play will be happy with this balanced ruling.
Here is the whistle blower, Whaledump’s one of the final tweets today:
“To targeted ratfuckers: Good luck lying. Remaining dumps are with journos. You feeling lucky, punk?”
Some other of tweets are here:
https://twitter.com/whaledump2
It was the clever thing to do. legal opinions before this afternoon reckoned Slater would be successful in getting Rawshark gagged. But the media had a strong public interest argument.
By withdrawing, and leaving the final dump with media, he ensured the focus is now on the public interest, and not Rawshark’s illegal hack – and not on trying to catch/silence him.
Yes, a brilliant mind and thankfully he/she has been using it here in the service of democracy, integrity, exposure and truth for the public’s greater good.
Remains to be seen if the people of decency in the National party and in the general public recognise this.
If Key and National get voted back in, in spite of all these awfully dirty shocking revelations, then there will not be much hope left for the long time values and future of our country.
And if Rawshark happened to send all his material, before the injunction happened and before he destroyed it, to someone else in addition to the “media organisations”, could they start releasing it on Twitter, say?
Would be good insurance to keep the media honest 🙂
I’ve been wondering that too.
I get the feeling that Rawshark is very smart.
And, ha ha ha, Slater thinks he knows who he is, but isn’t sure enough to say so 🙂
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11319673 …
If the accuracy of 90% of his stories is something to go by he has no idea …
his deductions seem to be based on the computational power of complex interactions between paranoia and bile.
It’s a rawshark test
Very good.
Aside, all the posts that Slater has deleted off WO since August 18
http://pastebin.com/9cAugyCA
😆
All your ratfucking r belong to us Cameron.
so many with cactus kate in the name….
We need to talk about Cathy:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/08/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-the-whale-oil-blog-and-international-organized-crime.html
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/09/new-zealand-crooks-buddies-whaleoil-bounced-chief-serious-fraud-office.html
there are a lot of cactus prunings in there !!
(snap, tracey!)
Wow, thanks for that . Very illuminating that so many posts were related to Odgers. How very chivalrous of Slater to try and protect the Hong Kong weasel. A nice touch, with Odgers returning the favour by sending the email incriminating Slater and Judith Collins.
I doubt it was chivalry. More like she threatened him with something if he didn’t remove all emails pertaining to her.
Marvelous.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/04/cactus-kate-on-the-fma/
Rawshark advised we should refer to Jeremy Hammond … I found this.
http://www.meganews.co.nz/news/16-nov-2013/jeremy-hammond-sentencing-statement-15th-nov-13
Very nice article. Thanks.
I liked this quote from there:
In the immortal word of Frederick Douglas, “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” – See more at: http://www.meganews.co.nz/news/16-nov-2013/jeremy-hammond-sentencing-statement-15th-nov-13#sthash.PNO32wo3.dpuf
I’m happy that this disturbed egomaniac has failed in his bid to silence the media.
Shit weepus don’t call that creep after my namesake.
Watch the Hager Otago debate its great.
Please watch this Otago University debate from 1pm today as Nicky Hager will be there. 1pm – 3pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdgPh0Wh3g0
WhaleDump 589,567. WhaleOil 0.
Is it just me, or has 3 NEWS website http://www.3news.co.nz/ gone AWOL. . .
Either they haven’t paid their web hosting bill, or Hacking adventures are in full swing? Or none of the above. . .
Working for me.
on demand is working for me but not news ..
It’s not available to me now.
Edit: now 3 news site is working for me again.
Cheers.
Was gone for a while, appears to be back now.
The judge just slapped an interim injunction on the hacker. Full hearing next Wednesday.
How likely is it that the judge will re-consider and stop the media from writing about previously undisclosed material in their possession?
well, let’s see .. we have sat, sun, mon, tues and wed am to publish what they hold already … it might become academic, as the hacker gag proved to be today ! It won’t matter!
( I am an optimist, obviously :smile:)
None of it has mattered electorally so far.
Watergate this ain’t.
It will. It’s a very slow burn, but burning it is. The polls are rigged don’t you see ?
Well ok then you’ve convinced me.
A month of polling is oh just wrong.
It is quite naive and silly to put much trust in these polls due to various reasons which hopefully you can figure out yourself.
The poll on 20 Sept will CONVINCE you about that fact.
Now finally you’re getting somewhere.
All this Whaleoil/Rawshark/Hagar stuff is spectacularly corrosiveve to the effort to change the government.
It’s polarised nz and strengthened National’s supporters.
We are 2 weeks from e day and badly distracted by stuff playing into Keys hands every day.
Change the story, fast, or lose – again.
This election, NZ is supposed to be polarised. That is a good thing. It should boost turnout. And Selwyn Manning doesn’t relay a story of ‘strengthened National supporters’; quite the inverse, really.
I think you are correct in that it is likely National will still be the governing party after the election. DP and Whaledump happened too soon for the real impact to be felt.
I think there will be a lot more dirt emerging. There will probably be a grisly death by a thousand exposures of National, and Key’s reputation will be shredded. National may ruefully reflect that 2014 would have been a good one to lose, as it would have been easier to sort the mess out on the opposition benches.
But I think you are wrong in suggesting Labour need to change the narrative. Bluntly, I don’t think it would make any difference. This election was lost quite some time ago, and unless the left as a whole get lucky with turn out and the odd random quirk of MMP, nothing will stop Key. Unfortunately.
How can the media prove that anything released from now on was already information they possessed?
More importantly, how can Slater, Ede et al prove that they haven’t been engaged in what on the face of it, and on the basis of their own writings, appears to be the exploitation of confidential information for political gain, and a conscious effort to cover up elected officials’ engagement in the same. The media should publish and be damned.
So worst comes to the worst Key gets a new media guy and a new Minister of Justice as part of his refresh,, and Whaleoil continues its rise as more powerful than the Herald or any other newspaper. Nothing positive here.
You are right that that could be one outcome. Where you are completely wrong is that that would be a “worst comes to worst” situation for Key. In the event of clear and widely-perceived indications of deep and deliberate political machinations by Ede, that would be the absolute best case scenario. “Worst comes to worst” would be Key being implicated, forced to resign and facing criminal charges. In between that and simply hiring a new media guy, there are many shades of shit for Mr. Key.
Sure ain’t Key eating shit for the last month is it?
Wishful thinking is the difference between politics and Pentecostalism.
Liberals ain’t going to win again until they figue how to stop losing in multiple sports.
Liberals? Pentecostalism?
Where are we again?
They’re not “Liberals”. We shouldn’t import that confused American nomenclature.
Key has absolutely been eating shit. Look at how the political discourse has changed, and what questions he has had to answer. Also, if you are going to accept the polls showing that National has kept support, you also have to accept those that show them losing support, and also those that show fewer people believing him. Regardless of any other considerations, Key has lost a lot on the back of this saga, and none of his opponents has lost a blessed thing.
Setting aside the contested question of whether National has lost electoral support, your argument only works if you assume that Labour would have gained significant amounts of support if the dirty politics barrel hadn’t been opened, and that the ramifications of the dirty politics revelations will not go beyond this election. I think those assumptions are tenuous to the point of being simply wrong.
I’m not interested in your counterfactuals at t minus 15 days.
Pay attention. This focus on Whaleoil/Slater/Hagar isn’t working.
Any poll so far shows the left splintering and the right staying strong.
Change the story.
Labour have only put moderate and passing attention on Whaleoil/Slater/Hager.
With two weeks to go, it’s too late for that. And anyhows – what would you change the story to?
I agree that it would not be optimal if the entire campaign kept focussing 100% on chipping at key, but none of the parties (WO connections notwithstanding) can dictate the coverage of whaledump.
But I also think that it was a valuable service that nixed collins as a political front, highlighted division and uncoordination within the nats, and has set up the last two weeks of the campaign for the left to fight a weaker opponent.
The leaders’ debates have been going pretty well for the left, they’ve released much more policy and much better policy than the nats, and the left just look keener than the tories. The nats have run out of steam.
Still up in the air, but about this time in 2011 things were looking a lot more grim for the left – and the nats only scraped in.
Christ I hope you’re right
I’m not terribly interested in counterfactuals, either. The fact is, though, that your assumptions require those counterfactuals in order to be of any value. Your suggestion that “the Left” change its tune are fatuous, since it hasn’t been “the Left” that has chosen to focus on Dirty Politics as an issue in the election campaign.
Labour and the Greens have focussed on their policies. How exactly are you suggesting that they change that over the next to weeks?
Neither Labour nor the Greens are focused on those. The media, the blogs, and to a large extent the public are.
None of the political parties are really getting in a word edgewise. But they’re still going through the election campaign.
Sure they will scoop the occasional prize out of it. But that is about it. It is a bit of a nuisance in some respects for all the parties.
I suspect that we’re going to have a quieter next couple of weeks and the campaign will pop up through it. It also takes about a month for something like DP to filter out through the polls. I’m expecting the only poll that will reflect it will be the one on election day.
I also have no idea what the effect will be because of the unknown about the effect on turnout.
However as you’re probably aware I have been fighting this stench of lousy political practices for about 7 years. It is damn good that despicable behaviour that got me interested enough to exert effort in this site has been exposed because it wasn’t going to get cleaned up otherwise. I count that as a win.
There’s no win until it stops.
We’ve always known what they were doing, proof isn’t going to stop them now any more than suspicion did then; unless criminal charges are laid, and stick, nothing will change.
This is a set-back for the criminal classes. How damaging a set-back remains to be seen.
Exactly, how do you stop doing what you havent been doing. Key controls the framing because the media allow him to.
Arguments about John Key’s shit eating grin aside, neither Labour nor Greens have obtained any clear benefit whatsoever from the last 4 weeks, either in increased credibility, confidence of ordinary NZers or stated voting intentions.
There has been some damage done to National but it is basically limited to: won’t be able to govern alone. Yes, Key is fucked in any event and English will get another go at the top job pretty soon, whether that is as National Leader or as PM.
Maybe they’ve sorted that out with their lawyers?
BM .. you should be creating questions for students of English as a second language, for use in their written exams. You would do very well. Your cunning convolution of logic infused with incorrect verb tense(s) would test the finest, Well done.
Yeshe
Bleak Misery is saying he is possessed by Slater!
One will need to excercise plenty of ‘trust’ in the same way that the Nat supporters do for Key, I suppose.
They don’t have to. Anyone who says otherwise needs:
a. Proof and,
b. To not be tainted in any way by the ratfuckers Key, Ede, Slater, Collins, etc.
By proving to a court the date they received the information was prior to the date of the decision yesterday. Are you really not able to work that out for yourself?
Sweet. Keep Dirty politics going. Seems to be working so far.
It will end Key. With him will go the palatability of the rightwards-oriented National Party for a good while to come. The question is only whether it will be sooner or later.
Phoney polls don’t worry you’ll see
It’s quite sad if you actually believe the polls are rigged. They might not be accurate, but that isn’t the same as being ‘phoney.’
Why, out of interest, were the pollsters so much more honest in the Clark years than than now?
Are the pollsters the same people who brought down the Twin Towers? That would explain why they were soooo good at keeping secrets secret …
Does anyone remember the sincere but failed Citizens for Rowling campaign.
With the apparent revelations in Dirty Politics, and the very strongly expressed concerns of some respected learned people, there must surely be a case for a delegation to approach the Governor General to investigate the current government’s leadership.
Show the fabric of New Zealand society some respect media. Be open now if you’ve been given information. Explain any issues you are working through and give us a time frame for any public-interest release or acknowledge your self censorship. It is in the public interest that you do it this weekend while the legal environment definitely allows you to. Take the special role you have in an election and prosecute corruption. If political bias or commercial expediency dictates ANY of your actions around this you are as guilty as any implications within what you withhold. …it will come out one day.
John Key should resign now,
He is his office, he said so. I mean “HE” as in “John Key” said….yeah, his office said?
Either way should lead to Hawaii.
Only if he’s made to swim there.
Key is sleepwalking to victory, barring lunacy from a geriatric drunk.
The Left needs fresh game inside 10 days.
It would be suicidal for the Left to change its game, which (lest we forget) has been about capital gains tax and reducing property speculation, building homes, raising wages, cleaning up waterways and strengthening public broadcasting. The Left can only hope that those issues are given considered and positive coverage that is not dominated by shallow snark from John Key.
As regards the dirty politics issue, it isn’t about this election. The fact that it blew up in the run-up to this election has simply been a catalyst for its getting considerably more media coverage than would otherwise have been the case, at a time when Key has no choice but to front up to media, rather than avoiding interviews as has otherwise been his modus operandi. The ramifications of Dirty Politics will extend well beyond this election, and reduce the ability of aggressive right-wing spin to drag the political discourse to the right as it has done over the last few years. That is more important than an election victory.
You’re thinking about it as a weapon in a short-term political game, rather than as a political issue in itself. Your attitude makes you part of the problem.
Your opening paragraph is the problem. It would have been great if the election had stuck to policy content. It didn’t, and its killing us.
I am very pessimistic the Hagar/Rawshark/ whatever will make any positive difference to political operations. More likely it will just give the left an historical “told you I was right” historical footnote, while National enables it to suck all the media oxygen out of the room. And more likely it will confirm the bar of political morality is officially, not just unofficially, lowered.
Neither amounts to victory of any kind. Hoping it will lead us to victory is what too many have been doing for a month. It hasnt worked because we confused virtue with winning.
At t-15 days, the left needs to change the media story.
Sorry. “Confirm”. “Unofficially”
Time for bed.
Ad, are you saying you believe that Hager releasing his book was wrong, and that RS releasing the hacked information was wrong?
Again, you are running with the assumption that there was a legitimate campaign by Labour that could have won it the election. If you have a particular suggestion, that would be great. However, as it stands, your suggestion appears to be, “The focus on policy hasn’t won the election, therefore the Left should stop focussing on policy and instead do… I dunno… other stuff… and raising the issue of dirty politics is bad… and stuff”.
As to whether the dirty politics scandals will become a footnote to left-wing feelings of moral superiority, you may well be right. If that is all it amounts to, however, it will be because people did exactly what you are doing: seeing its value principally as a weapon in an amoral political game about winning.
@yeshe – you said above that Paul Davison QC’s comments on 3news site reassured you that MSM would publish whatever they now have. I can’t find those comments on the 3news site. Have they been taken down? Can you say more about what Davison hinted at?
Timbo, I am so sorry .. my big mistake … I meant Julian Miles QC.
I did not mean to do that; so much going on in those moments trying to find out what was happening. I apologise, I should have corrected his name before now.
“Julian Miles QC, lawyer representing the three media organisations, says the organisations are not interested in publishing the private details regarding Slater’s family, which he had been worried about.
Media organisations were instead focused on the political implications of the emails.
While the media did not know what was yet to be revealed, it would be a “significant and unprecedented gag” on the media to not be allowed to publish the material, particularly in an election period, he said.
“To be told there are more of these [emails] out there and to be told this information should be withheld would be an extraordinary interference to the right of the public to be given this information and the media to disseminate it.”
Slater could have filed for an injunction the day after Dirty Politics came out last month or when the subsequent emails were leaked, Mr Miles said. The information has been in the public arena for some time now.
“The genie has escaped from this particular bottle,” he said.
There had been an “extraordinary” effect following the release of the information including the launch of two inquiries and the resignation of Ms Collins.
He says there is a “reasonable assumption” any further information would be as significant as what has already been published.
“It would be a travesty that the responsible media are unable to talk about these future disclosures, whereas the wilder areas on the internet and the bloggers will undoubtedly be posting on them and commenting on them,” Mr Miles said.
“You would have a world where the public is way worse off than they would have been otherwise. Informed comment is gone because it’s been gagged and uninformed comment becomes the means in which the public is informed.”
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/slater-gets-temporary-injunction-against-hacker-2014090517#ixzz3CPwPhvYI
So who paid for Slater’s legal action? Someone who is still nervous about what’s to come…
Well the great knight of the truth, cameron slater wont say.
“To targeted ratfuckers: Good luck lying. Remaining dumps are with journos. You feeling lucky, punk?” #whaledump
I love this guy. He says it’s not about (election) politics for him but what he’s kicked off is as political as we can get – Corporates, Ministers of the Crown, and Crown Agencies, all providing especial privileges and information, and paying heaps, to a blogger whose Daddy was President of the National Party.
Can’t imagine what Rawshark went through when he read Slater’s files – the scheming, smear tactics, and sheer nastiness.
Seems he hacked Slater’s puter in outrage after Judd Hall was mocked and called ‘feral’ in a Whaleoil blog. Judd’s mother Jo was also smeared, and ‘Dirty Politics’ asserts Key joined in too. Jo Hall lost a son in the Pike River mine and Judd was her fourth, and last, son to die in an accident. (Whaleoil posts no longer accessible)
My fervent hope is that Whaledump(ed) a file, so next week a Herald headline says, “Key and Slater mock the dead and grieving.” And there’s a transcript of some sort.
In the meantime, thank you Rawshark, whoever you are. Dumping before the Judgement was very classy. Hey, praps you are the Judge?
Or the nerdy kid from Slater’s high school who hates him. Stranger things have happened.
Slug Boy went to Auckland Grammar. There would have been plenty of nerdy kids. He was in about the 3rd or 4th classes down, 5C or 5D, for example. I can imagine that he would have bullied quite a few nerd boys. He was short, dumb, possibly fat, ugly, and probably with a huge sense of entitlement due to his family connections. He would have made enemies.
Slaters son, cameron, has no integrity or ethics. Doug grahams son, carrick has no integrity or ethics…
Anyone think of other family connections?
Bhartnagar is the son of a very rich prick who was part of the tycoon clique who bankrolled ACT into existence and then went on to donate many thousands over the years to keep the Nats sitting pretty. He was rewarded with a knighthood.