So what happened here? PPL vote

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1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

   29 May 2014 at 6:41 am

   The speaker thinks Twitter might tarnish his non-existent reputation?
2. Skinny 2

   29 May 2014 at 7:28 am

   Well the Maori Party can still have their vote corrected if there was a misunderstanding? Personally I believe if the vote stands as it is that this is par for the course for the Tory-Maori Party. Over the last 2 terms we have seen them vote for many terrible Bills which disadvantage poor Maori.
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     29 May 2014 at 10:09 am

     Yep – I think the Maori Party MPs by being absent yesterday and now not pushing for any correction of the vote, has actually found a face saving way of supporting their Tory mates.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1

       29 May 2014 at 10:13 am

       “Suffice to say that it was a mistake and we’re going to look to rectify it…”

       Te Ururoa Flavell
       • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1

         29 May 2014 at 10:51 am

         Cool. Let’s see what the action actually is over the next 48 hours.
     • Skinny 2.1.2

       29 May 2014 at 11:12 am

       Which brings me to the point of the stupidity of the Labour Party by openly supporting the Maori Party, with their intention to cut the Left bloc’s throat by openly contesting the Maori seat Favell’s currently holds. There is no doubting that this seat is a 2 horse race between the incumbent Favell, and Mana’s Annette Sykes. A far different case to Hone’s seat up the far North, which is shaping to be a close affair between Hone & Labour’s Kelvin Davis.
       • blue leopard 2.1.2.1

         29 May 2014 at 12:54 pm

         +100 Skinny. Good point.

         Labour needs to do this. Any competitive drive must channeled toward a single-minded focus against National/Rightwing, not fellow left-wing parties.

         The first goal is to boot National out. That is the goal to focus on. This is not rocket science it is very very simple. Don’t over-complicate. Think: ‘what can we do to maximize the possibility of National being booted out.’
3. Tangled_up 3

   29 May 2014 at 7:38 am

   Shame on the Maori Party.
   • greywarbler 3.1

     29 May 2014 at 10:13 am

     @Tangled up
     +1
4. wyndham 4

   29 May 2014 at 8:50 am

   This was no misunderstanding! I watched the debate and it was interesting to see Flavell suddenly “called away” ironically, considering the subject under debate, to the birth of a mokapuna.
   Sharples also came under the camera’s eye as he scuttled past the Nat that happened to be speaking – – – it appeared he was required to attend some discussion on MP voting ?
   If Upton deliberately gave an incorrect vote for the MP, is this a serious offence under those extraordinary so-called rules of the House? Or just an innocent mistake? Yeah. Right!
5. Pasupial 5

   29 May 2014 at 9:51 am

   This Fairfax article has Flavell calling this vote theft an “administrative error”.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10096705/Stoush-erupts-over-paid-parental-leave-bill

   {though there seems to have been a bit of a subediting error with phrase; “be with his daughter who was in labour, showed they “weren’t family-friendly”.”, given its own paragraph and not seeming to fit with the previous one or really anywhere else}

   I understand that Flavell had to be out of parliament to be with family. What were Sharples’ and Turia’s reasons for being absent from the vote? Why was; “Upston [who] blocked a move to have Flavell’s vote counted early on compassionate grounds”, proxy for the Maori Party vote?
6. Mary 6

   29 May 2014 at 10:02 am

   Just wait to see what lolly the Maori Party will be claiming to have achieved from their mates as “proof” they’re getting “gains” for Maori just before the election. Watch to see puppet Sharples boasting shortly that the Maori Party has “forced the government” to do something like “a report into the gap between Maori and non-Maori achievement in education” or “an analysis of high Maori prison populations”. Bring on the election because whichever way it goes the Maori Party will be gone.
7. adam 7

   29 May 2014 at 10:29 am

   And them [* deleted] strike again.

   [Karol:deleted unaccetable language]
   • Jim 7.1

     29 May 2014 at 10:39 am

     Adam that is a racist comment. I am surprised that this comment got through.
   • thatguynz 7.2

     29 May 2014 at 10:49 am

     Fucking muppet… Try for at least a semblance of decency.
   • Kaplan 7.3

     29 May 2014 at 10:53 am

     Agreed Jim. Although it could stand as a testament to adam, I’d like to see this expunged please moderators.
   • Kaplan 7.4

     29 May 2014 at 11:26 am

     Thank you Karol.
     • adam 7.4.1

       29 May 2014 at 11:36 am

       In response…

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kf7fujM4ag

       or if listening to Malcolm X is a stress – read this.

       http://news.rapgenius.com/Malcolm-x-the-house-negro-and-the-field-negro-annotated
       • Jim 7.4.1.1

         29 May 2014 at 12:51 pm

         I am sure that Malcolm x would be appalled by your racist comment Adam.
       • bad12 7.4.1.2

         29 May 2014 at 12:53 pm

         adam, ”its a science fiction double feature, you are way way too late, Doctor X already built the creature”,

         Right under your very nose i might add, your only option now,watch the screen and weep…
   • Colonial Viper 7.5

     29 May 2014 at 11:31 am

     If the Left keeps censoring terms with historical political relevance it shouldn’t be surprised that no one understands the history or importance of the Left movement.
     • Jim 7.5.1

       29 May 2014 at 12:15 pm

       Yes terms like the one used by Adam are of historical significance. People like Martin Luther King died so that terms like the one used are no longer accepted by society. It is not the left or right that used this term but the KKK.
       • adam 7.5.1.1

         29 May 2014 at 12:52 pm

         So now I’ve been called a racist, and a member of the KKK. Interesting, so I must have a lot of self hate going on ah Jim? I’m pretty sure the KKK would like to lynch me – but then again as the expert Jim – please do tell.
     • Bill 7.5.2

       29 May 2014 at 1:04 pm

       Can’t remember the terminology used to differentiate those campesinos the masters held closer , but the same hierarchy of favour was present in Spain prior to the revolution. For what it’s worth, I don’t think such terms should be censored insofar as they speak to a historical and systemic truth that still has relevance today.
8. Bob 8

   29 May 2014 at 11:08 am

   “So it’s looking possible that the Maori Party changed their vote at the last minute – possibly under pressure from the National government. Shameful.”
   While we are making wildly unfounded suggestions, I also heard that one of the secret donors to David Cunliffes trust were possibly the leader of the Skin Heads based on the promise Cunliffe would restrict foreign immigration and another was possibly Al Gore, in return Labour would give one of his 14 ‘Green Tech’ companies a massive Government contract should they win the election. Shameful.

   Radio Live is now reporting that the votes were a clerical error on the part of the Maori Party.
   • Colonial Viper 8.1

     29 May 2014 at 11:35 am

     Does that mean the votes will now be counted the other way. And will a re-vote be necessary to enact that.
   • Kaplan 8.2

     29 May 2014 at 12:11 pm

     ‘were a clerical error on the part of the Maori Party.’

     Is it really plausible that a ‘clerical error’ that was a complete reversal of the Maori parties stated position was simply not noticed?

     Maybe someone with more knowledge of how these votes are executed could clarify this?
     • Tracey 8.2.1

       29 May 2014 at 12:24 pm

       maybe a typo in the wording to the proxy?
     • blue leopard 8.2.2

       29 May 2014 at 12:31 pm

       Good question Kaplan

       ….then again with a ruling party where black is white, bad is good and crisis is no crisis, perhaps the ‘clerical error’ was actually a comprehension one; National appear to have a real problem in discerning the difference between things especially between polar opposites, especially when wishful thinking is involved on their part.
9. Tracey 9

   29 May 2014 at 11:37 am

   Given the nats will veto the bill, if the mp changes its vote and it passes, why would upston deliberately do this? Nats cant be scared that exercising the veto will reflect badly on them can they??
10. North 10

    29 May 2014 at 12:41 pm

    One does wonder why a half competent whip would not query a complete about face with the proxy giver. Specially since all we hear from the mongrel National Party is that they’re the scions of transparency and decency. Sleight of hand crooks is what they are. Even the Tory leaning TV3 Reid Poll says so. Forget about any other sort of ‘….’gate’. Cumulatively this government is ‘Shuddergate’ for New Zealand.

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