Some free publicity for the NBR

Written By: - Date published: 11:02 am, March 11th, 2008 - 53 comments
Categories: humour, Media - Tags: ,

Speaking of humour, that joke of a newspaper the NBR has had a crack at us again. According to them The Standard is “a blog which tests Labour lines in advance”. So much for the NBR’s self-lauded connections: we don’t test Labour’s lines, we write them with Mike and Helen in a secret bunker under Fraser House. Then we roll around in a vault full of all the money they’ve over-taxed from you over the years.

I’m actually a bit cautious about publishing the above joke, the NBR might take it seriously. Humour appears to be in short supply, judging by the way they critique our tongue-in-cheek post about Burqa Bob wanting to privatise heartland rugby as if it were entirely serious.

Anyway, it is nice to receive attention from such an august publication. We’ll be sure to return the favour if they ever write anything interesting.

53 comments on “Some free publicity for the NBR”

  1. Occasional Observer 1

    Are you denying, Steve, that any of the Standard’s authors work in the PM’s office?

  2. Benodic 2

    Oh piss off Observer. It’s pretty clear The Standard authors are not out of the PM’s office. Their MO is completely different. The word I’ve heard is they’re a mix of trade unionists, Labour party activists and one or two Green supporters.

  3. gobsmacked 3

    I work in the PM’s office

  4. James Kearney 4

    I don’t think the NBR’s credibility could fall any lower if they tried. What used to be a respected business publication is now a Tory hack rag that even business owners I’ve talked to think is too right-wing.

  5. brian 5

    I work in the PM’s office, and so does my wife.

  6. i guess as yet another neoliberal msm rag the NBR doesn’t like any competition of ideas so they have to try their hardest to denigrate alternative views. it’s an understandable substitute for content and talent.

  7. Tane 7

    What I found interesting about that article was the NBR’s complete ignorance about how these things work. I mean, even if you wanted to, what use would there be in testing lines on a blog? In terms of an audience blog commenters are completely partisan and tribal, and form a very narrow cross-section of society. The NBR’s naivety is stunning.

  8. I tried to get a job in the PM’s office but ended up with a restraining order instead…

  9. Steve Pierson 9

    I work in John Key’s office. My job is to make the coffee and threatening phone calls to journalists.

  10. What’s more likely to be the case is that the ninth floor will be reading you and will occasionally find a line it likes and run it. That definitely happens.

  11. insider 11

    Clocks?

  12. Brownie 12

    Lol Sod.

  13. Wilson 13

    The standard was calling John Key slippery way back in October last year. http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=352

  14. out of bed 14

    Helen mentioned the tortoise and the hair in relation to the polls,
    a couple of days after someone said the same here, I think it was Steve
    My God Steve is Helen

  15. Steve Pierson 15

    Russell. Yeah, Clocks came from us and was picked up by Labour and the media. I expect the same will happen with your publishing of the journalists’ letter to APN management http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,991,hard_news_call_it_what_you_like.sm?p=44324#post44324. Labour will use the letter in Parliament today I would have thought.. we’re waiting for it to be more clearly in public domain before addressing it.

  16. Steve Pierson 16

    out of bed. I don’t like tortises though and I never liked that story i was all like ‘don’t go to sleep you stupid hare’.

    captcha: adopt have… yes captcha sometimes they have

  17. Benodic 17

    Wilson – I wouldn’t make too much of that. It’s one example six months ago.

  18. Tane 18

    My God Steve is Helen

    Dad4Justice thinks I’m Annette King.

  19. I’m surprised the claim that blogs test lines for the government or opposition is controversial. In terms of how you do it – well, you assess how the line plays with your base support, and you get a quick reality test of the likely rebuttals.
    You may even get attention from journalists who think trawling blogs for stories is more legitimate than listening to PR hacks.
    The ‘Key would have invaded Iraq’ line was first floated on Jordan Carter’s blog. Jordan is many things, including a very smart guy, but I doubt he’s a regular reader of three year old suburban newspapers (the source of the story). It was only after journalists started sniffing around the blog post that it became a government line of attack on Key.
    Back in 2005 National used Aaron Bhatnagar’s blog to basically run informal focus groups on the “Iwi/Kiwi” Ansell billboards, before they were publicly released.

  20. James Kearney 20

    Ben, stop digging.

  21. insider 21

    D4J also thinks he is a model citizen and father. I’m not sure if that is a recommendation of his powers of insight

  22. insider 22

    It would have been a pretty ‘focussed’ group if based on Aaron’s blog.

  23. Steve Pierson 23

    Yeah obviously there’s interplay of angles between media, blogs, and politicans – when someone sees something that’s good somewhere else they might use it – but Ben, you’re trying to give the impression we sit in a smoke-free room (damn girlocracy) and get Labour’s latest ideas for lines (maybe out of one of those old-timey vacuum tubes), then we play them on the Standard and those results are somehow assessed, to be used by Labour directly or disgarded. You’re trying to give that impression to discredit us.

    Fair enough. we’re not having a cry over it, just a bit of gentle ribbing back.

  24. James Kearney 24

    Ben Thomas-

    Why did you try to discredit the standard by pretending the post about Burqa Bob privatising rugby was serious? That was a pretty cheap shot.

    I know the NBR has little credibility left to lose but surely you have a journalistic reputation to defend?

  25. insider 25

    Maybe because with the endless imaginings about how evil John Key might be that are published here, and the calls to buy back the railways, it is difficult to tell when the Standard is being serious

  26. James Kearney 26

    Here’s what the post said:

    “Burqa Bob wants to buy heartland rugby.

    In other news, Bill English plans to sell our sunshine hours to a Finnish consortium and Key has mooted flogging off our children’s laughter to the highest bidder.

    [Update: Kiwiblogblog doesn’t think it’s so funny]”

    Looks like a piss take to me. Ben Thomas was clearly pushing a partisan barrow while pretending to be a journalist. That’s why the NBR has no credibility.

  27. insider 27

    See how easy it is to misread a piss take? ARe you sure you are not misreading Ben’s piece – I’ve not read it so can’t help.

  28. r0b 28

    Interesting Russell – any recent examples?

    And all you lot in my office – stop goofing round on this blog and get back to work!

  29. I never thought I’d hear you admit John Key is evil, insider. I’m proud of you man…

  30. James Kearney 30

    I’ve seen the NBR piece. Ben Thomas wasn’t joking. He was trying to discredit the standard by misrepresenting about a post on this blog. That’s not how real journalists behave. Do you reckon we’ll see an apology from him in the next edition?

  31. If James Kearney had read past the initial post (which, by the way, was genuinely funny) he would have seen this subsequent comment by the original author:

    Steve Pierson
    Mar 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    rjs131. Who is going to be paying the extra money in tickets to make Bob and his mates a profit on their private rugby clubs? Who is going to put money into club rugby, and build up the next generation of all blacks, if the unions don’t?

    Which is neither hilarious nor tongue-in-cheek, on the face of it.

    You can read the column in all its barrow-pushing, partisan misrepresentation, here:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=20668&cid=39&cname=NBR Comment

  32. James Kearney 32

    Yes Ben- when challenged for his actual views on whether provincial rugby should be privatised Steve offered his opinion.

    That doesn’t mean the post was seriously suggesting that “Bob Clarkson’s reported wish to have privately owned provincial rugby franchises was an example of National’s real privatisation agenda”.

    You got caught out on this one and reputation has suffered. Suck it up and offer an apology in the next edition.

  33. James Kearney 33

    ps, you also misrepresented Steve when you said “Rich stuff – if only rugby wasn’t already privately run in this country.” Because if you had actually read down the thread you would know Steve had addressed that point.

    National: is there anything they won’t privatise?

  34. r0b 34

    Well now that’s a very interesting letter. Read on to page 2 of the comments folks. Thanks Russell.

  35. insider 35

    Oh Robin, my knees have gone all a-tremble

  36. Where’s Bryce Edwards on this blog these days? Just saw him walk past the comp lab below the pols department with an old skool mullet. Looked like a man on a mission. (waves to Bryce).

  37. Has he lost any weight yet?

  38. Yeah, he’s looking pretty trim at the mo actually. A bit more buff too. Maybe he’s given up blogging for a daily work out session? Watch out you cute little fresher things!

  39. I’d imagine he’s been inspired by Rodney Hide’s example of self-improvement as he has been by his economic agenda…

  40. Yeah – if Cullen wants the academics back on side he’s going to have to lift the top tax bracket above $65,0000 – no two ways about it. That would get all of them except the HODs I reckon.

    Then watch “the Maori Party and National are going to have wild, kinky sex” change into “Labour and the Maori Party are going to kiss, make up, and move back in together (single beds in separate rooms of course)”.

  41. Steve Pierson 42

    “the Maori Party and National are going to have wild, kinky sex’ change into “Labour and the Maori Party are going to kiss, make up, and move back in together (single beds in separate rooms of course)’.

    bravo, roger

  42. Tane 43

    Sod, Roger, lay off the personal attacks eh?

  43. Tane:

    It’s all in good humor – I actually like Bryce, and find him, for the most part, insightful and informative. It’s just this perverse wish of his to match the Nats with the Maori Party that I find a bit strange – thus the ribbing. I do apologise for taking the thread off topic though – got a little carried away.

    oh and BTW, cheers Steve.

  44. Tane 45

    It’s all good bro, I’m sure it was nothing malicious. I just don’t want to see this blog turn into a sewer like KB.

  45. Tane:

    Fair enough.

  46. Billy 47

    Tane, saying someone has an “old skool mullet” is praise where I come from.

  47. Yeah but you claim people spell it “bro'” where you come from – bloody funny place I’d say…

  48. Billy 50

    ‘sod, bro’, I am ignoring you. You have hurt my feelings. Quite badly. I will not engage with you until I get a heartfelt apology.

  49. gobsmacked 51

    On the blogs and their influence:

    One of the funniest cases is Larry Williams on Newstalk ZB. He just reads David Farrar’s blog and recycles it, pretending that he (Larry) is well-informed or connected. For example, just now with Barry Soper, he used the phrase “it has been brought to my attention” … and then repeated Farrar’s talking point. It’s not the first time either.

    Beats working.

  50. Tane 52

    Larry Williams really is a dreadful hack. They used to listen to him at one of my old jobs and it was just painful. He’s the epitome of the uninformed right wing bigot.

  51. James Kearney 53

    Well Ben Thomas never got back to me. There goes his reputation as a journalist I guess.

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    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
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  • Not impressed
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago

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