Some thoughts…

Written By: - Date published: 2:04 pm, August 30th, 2014 - 113 comments
Categories: accountability, capitalism, corruption, crosby textor, election 2014, Judith Collins, kremlinology, Politics - Tags:

So Judith Collins is gone.

This is English’s faction taking control of dealing with the Dirty Politics mess. There’s no way Bronwyn Puller would have placed a privacy complaint against Collins without English knowing. She’s still tight with the National Party and with his faction.

I have no doubt the email that Key used to sink her came from inside the National Party. Why else would it go straight to Key’s chief of staff and why would it be taken so seriously if he didn’t know its provenance?

I’d say that since English deliberately distanced himself from Collins in his PREFU stand up – which was coordinated with Key changing his position to say she was
“unwise” – they have been working to get to this point and cauterize the wound.

About the same time Steven Joyce dropped away from commenting on it.

It’s not taken much for National’s factions to come to the surface as I’ve previously posted there’s been a cold war on for a while:

It’s no secret that the small but vicious Collins faction has been worrying the rest of the party for some time. Fran O’Sullivan points to her sacking of John Judge as a reason for this, but Collins has caused many other, less public ructions and her proxies, Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk many more again.

There’s no doubt now that English is running the show. The question is will the remnants of Collins’ crew fight back or is it all over for them? And what happens to Steven Joyce?

This will really be a test of that famous National Party discipline.

113 comments on “Some thoughts…”

  1. Paul 1

    Doesn’t this story actually present us with even more questions about Key’s role in the Dirty Politics saga?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1

      Yep. He’ll be hoping it’ll take the heat off, it’s more a case of “one down, now, who’s next?” The spotlight turns to point directly at the PM(‘s office). The Slater/Ede correspondence is yet to be released, unless I’ve missed something. 🙂

  2. adam 2

    I think the cold war, just became a hot war.

    • Kiwiri 2.1

      Those who live by “Dirty Politics”, die by “Dirty Politics”.

      [Paraphrasing Matthew 26:52]

  3. Paul 3

    Another thought.
    Jarred Savage and the Herald needs investigating for their role in the whole Dirty Politics saga.
    http://jononatusch.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/serious-questions-for-jared-savage-the-nz-herald/

    The Herald already has dirty hands with Glucina drip feeding gossip from these vile sources, now one of their journalists implicated.

    • mickysavage 3.1

      Questions should be asked about why Key got the chance to release the email and herald got to break the story. I wonder if it was related to Fisher’s mea culpa a couple of days ago?

      • Paul 3.1.1

        The Herald’s editors could be shown to have very grubby hands on this.

      • Ant 3.1.2

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10442284/Judith-Collins-resigns-says-shes-a-victim

        Stuff are saying the SST were working on a story about these emails for tomorrow’s paper:

        Vigilante hacker Rawshark is the man who hacked Slater’s emails then gave them to Nicky Hager ​.​

        Since the book​ Dirty Politics release Rawshark has also been parcelling out caches of emails to media.

        Fairfax’s Sunday Star Times newspaper had flagged it ​was due to print a story about the emails tomorrow.

        The emails detail a covert public relations campaign including attacks on the credibility of the SFO and Financial Markets Authority.”

        • mickysavage 3.1.2.1

          So it was damage minimisation …

          • karol 3.1.2.1.1

            Well, Gower is till calling at a National Party inside job – Hager also, saying they wanted a reason to ax her, but not to blame it on Hager’s book.

            • Ant 3.1.2.1.1.1

              We’ll see tomorrow I guess, if whaledump releases an identical screen grab then it might explain the surprisingly shoddy cellphone picture that the PM’s office released.

              • karol

                Hager didn’t seem to think it was among the whaledump emails he received and used for his book.

                • Ant

                  Depends if Hager was given absolutely everything. The book barely mentions this, and the hacker seems pretty adept at media management and might have their own agenda.

                  Also, the SST seems well set to run with something big tomorrow, interviews with Adam Feeley etc. Will all depend on what runs tomorrow.

                  • karol

                    This is what Gower said tonight on 3 News – and it’s in print under the video:

                    The email was written by her friend, Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater, and leaked to Mr Key’s office by someone whose identity the Prime Minister won’t reveal.
                    […]
                    This message did not come from the hacker who took Slater’s emails for the book Dirty Politics.

                    The Prime Minister’s office says the source wasn’t anonymous, but confidential; they know who it is.

                    • Tracey

                      redacted? if it isnt one of the recipients isnt the pm worried it has been sourced illegally.

    • Inky 3.2

      I really can’t recall reading any of Savage’s stuff. Does he show a bias to the right or does he play it straight down the middle? And by bias, I don’t mean simply break stories that don’t help the left, I mean clearly and unfairly slant his writing?

  4. Paul 4

    As this article says, serious questions for Jared Savage and the NZ Herald.
    Remember the Herald’s Glucina’s role also in Dirty Politics.
    http://jononatusch.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/serious-questions-for-jared-savage-the-nz-herald/

    A quick search of Savage’s articles in the Herald show a lot of reporting on the Donghua Liu story.
    Wonder who his sources were?

  5. disturbed 5

    Of the dirty dozen Collins is first off the rank next could be either Ede or another shadowy Office of the PM figure, but Key will burn anyone in his sights to stay on top of the pile.

    It’s in his genes, remember the smiling assassin case where his job was to sack 300 Merrill Lynch employees, when stock market crashed in 2007?

    While at Merrill lynch in 2001 “Some co-workers called John Key “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the 1998 Russian financial crisis.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key

    These are mean assed people we are dealing with, they eat each other.

  6. Ad 6

    I seriously thought the impact of Hagar’s book would be limited. Now the floodgates of revenge are unstopped within National.

    I predict -5% from National
    +3% to New Zealand First to about 8%
    + 1 to Labour to 27%
    + 1 to Greens to 14%

    Also a Cabinet-wide ban on using Whaleoil, whoever is in power

  7. disturbed 7

    Next Gone Key please
    Back in Wikapeadia filles ShonKey was hauled before SFO.

    mmmmm!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key

    Key forestalled the accusation by declaring that he had left Elders months before the event, that he had no knowledge of the deal, and that his interview with the Serious Fraud Office during the investigation into the affair could only have helped to convict the people involved. This statement was supported publicly by then-SFO director Charles Sturt.[24][25]

    Labour MPs criticised Key for not releasing specific policy information at their annual conference. Key responded that National would set its own policy agenda and that there was adequate time before the next election for voters to digest National Party policy proposals.[26]

  8. disturbed 8

    Next thought,

    This was also on the link I sent above,

    Wikipedia records Key hauled in front of the same SFO that Collins interfered with, any similarities?

    Key forestalled the accusation by declaring that he had left Elders months before the event, that he had no knowledge of the deal, and that his interview with the Serious Fraud Office during the investigation into the affair could only have helped to convict the people involved. This statement was supported publicly by then-SFO director Charles Sturt.[24][25]

    Labour MPs criticised Key for not releasing specific policy information at their annual conference. Key responded that National would set its own policy agenda and that there was adequate time before the next election for voters to digest National Party policy proposals.[26]

  9. outofbed 9

    How strange I was just dropping off a billboard in Karori.
    And drove past a very grey looking Bill English going into his house just as the news came on RNZ about Collins,
    It was quite surreal

  10. Not a PS Staffer 10

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    • ghostwhowalksnz 10.1

      Dont be silly.

      Did you know subscriptions are a money loser for the Herald, so they save money when they dont have to print and deliver a newspaper.

  11. Bill 11

    Geoff. Judith Collin’s isn’t gone. She’s simply no longer a minister and JK stated quite unequivocally that when/if her name is cleared, she’s back on board. Also National got the opportunity to go into damage control and kill a story before it was published by the SST. That’s no small thing to be gifted on a plate.

    I’ve no idea where you’re getting ‘Camp English’ on the ascendency from. Key is (still) king of the castle and is (still) untarnished and (still) has all his players in play.

    • weka 11.1

      Bet SST still run a story tomorrow. I doubt the story is dead. Both Key and Collins are running the line that she will be cleared. From Key’s pserpective all he has to do is defer things until after the election. But if more comes out tomorrow that will be harder to do. Twitter speculation is that there will be a full whaledump tomorrow.

    • weka 11.2

      Bet SST still run a story tomorrow. I doubt the story is dead. Both Key and Collins are running the line that she will be cleared. From Key’s pserpective all he has to do is defer things until after the election. But if more comes out tomorrow that will be harder to do. Twitter speculation is that there will be a full whaledump tomorrow.

      twitter.com/toad001/status/505541093497532416

    • Inky 11.3

      I heard Key say she wouldn’t be back after the election. Sounded to me like he felt it was a hanging offence.

  12. Rodel 12

    Step 1 During the debate Cunliffe asks what Key is going to do about Collins.
    Step2 Winston claims that Collin’s people ask if he’ll join them after ousting John Key.Collins denies.( ‘He’s a liar’)
    Step 3 Key suddenly releases an old (2011) email from Slater implicating Collins
    Step 3 Key sacks Collins- well… accepts her resignation
    Step 4. Collins unfriends Slater
    Step 5. Benson Pope relaxes over a whisky.
    Step 5. I have a whisky too.

  13. Steve 13

    Sorry but this looks very suspicious. Key has now been given the excuse to get rid of Collins without backtracking on his previous stance. If he had changed his mind, without new information, he would have looked weak and given credence to the seriousness of the allegations in “Dirty Politics”

    Collins, in particular, has been his achilles heel for the last couple of weeks. In addition he says this new email is ” far more serious” than the matters, relating to Collins, that have gone before. So in one hit he has:

    1. Appeared to be a strong leader.
    2. Got rid of his achilles heel that is Collins
    3. Re-inforced the mantra that the other allegations in ‘Dirty Politics” were “not serious” and ” a left-wing smear”.

    Sadly, to me, looks like the Nats knew this info was on the way anyway and have used it to benefit Brand Key. What we don’t know yet is how deep the fissures in the National Party are and whether they’re enough for them to eat their very own darling Mr Key.

    I suspect things are about to become even more interesting over the next 3 weeks as the NATS appear to be now donky deep in this stuff.

    • Weepus beard 13.1

      Some rumours about that Cactus Kate delivered the email.

    • Kiwiri 13.2

      Damage control. But that won’t lessen the unease but deny the disease.

      With all respect to Geoff who said:
      they have been working to get to this point and cauterize the wound ,

      I had suggested what Nats need is political chemotherapy.

  14. disturbed 14

    IMPORTANT, – URGENT.

    Today we call officially on all opposition parties.

    They must join together and must meet in an emergency forum to set the discussion surrounding the whole matter of political corruption within the Hager book and the laying of the grounds for the public interest in a truly independent commission of enquiry into the whole Slater gate affair with Team Key and His “black ops” “Dirty Politics” scandal reaching right back to when the records start with the Key Government and before.

    There will never be a more correct urgent time to jump on this issue and destroy the cancer before it destroys us all.

    • Martin 14.1

      fully agree.

    • dave 14.2

      couldn’t agree more there needs be a royal commission to restore confidence in the system the key government needs investigating there corrupt they are not of good character they need to take close look at what these vile people have been up to it needs to extended to the media ,corporates and cronies .

  15. BLiP 15

    I call bulshit. The email, most likely, did not come from inside National Ltd™ and nor has National Ltd™ any intention of cleaning up this shit heap of FAIL. Right now, inside National Ltd™, even as I type, its about cover your arse, duck for cover, or head for the hills and wait for a cushy job to come up. Any National Ltd™ member who has been selected to stand for the party and won their seat since Nicky Hager’s “The Hollow Men” is now suspect. Any National Ltd™ MP who has been involved with John Key’s dirty-ops department is now suspect. The rot starts at the head and, when it comes to National Ltd™, the rot is complete, from gills to tail.

    • weka 15.1

      Russell Brown’s theory is that Key needed a reason to dump Collins that wasn’t from Hager’s book, and then this email appeared.

      I’m not sure though, because presumably Hager and/or his informants had this email too? And more to come tomorrow from whaledump.

      • karol 15.1.1

        It isn’t a whaledump email. Gower said it was sent to news media and JK from a known source who prefers not to be named.

        • weka 15.1.1.1

          Do you mean the information meant to come out tomorrow, or the email from today? Both?

          • karol 15.1.1.1.1

            The email that caused Collins to resign; copy of it was sent from someone known to Key.

            • Ant 15.1.1.1.1.1

              Wouldn’t they just use it as a threat to make her to resign without the rigmarole then so she could take stress leave or whatever on her own terms? She might be super cray and resist, but this seems way too pyrrhic to be anything other than last minute harm minimisation.

              If this email is the best case scenario then what was the worst case?

              • karol

                Yes. It seems a lot of people think it’s harm minimisation.

              • weka

                “Wouldn’t they just use it as a threat to make her to resign”

                Not if the media also has the email and it was about to be published tomorrow.

                “It isn’t a whaledump email.”

                I could be an email that whaledump has as well. Which begs the question of why Hager didn’t use it. Didn’t have it?

            • Rodel 15.1.1.1.1.2

              Karol
              Wouldn’t be KFC, sorry I mean KDC would it?

            • Kiwiri 15.1.1.1.1.3

              At the end of the day, and then …

              Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
              Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
              To the last syllable of recorded time;
              And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
              The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!

              As in that dark and powerful Shakespearean tragedy, the lady went first …

              ’tis thought, by self and violent hands / Took off her [political] life

              and then Macbeth was defeated.

              • Clemgeopin

                “and then Macbeth was defeated.”

                ….muttering the words, ‘Et tu, Slate?’

              • A bit of an aside, but I bet there’s not extensive quoting of Shakespeare on WhaleOil.

                I’m from working class origins yet embrace literary and artistic insight (i.e., I don’t see it as ‘elitist’ but, rather, something to have access to and enrich myself from). I despise the attitude that determinedly does not want to enlighten and improve itself.

                I think St Augustine said something similar to some Greek/Turkish fishermen who asked him whether or not they’d be sent to hell for being ignorant. His response? “No, but God will punish you for not wanting to be less ignorant” (or words to that effect).

                • Inky

                  Slater’s into hunting in a big way, isn’t he? Does he have his own guns?

                  • Murray Olsen

                    Yes. He often writes about them. For some unknown reason, he is considered a fit and proper person to hold a firearms licence.

    • joe90 15.2

      Hmm…

      Laura McQuillan @mcquillanatorz · 3h

      Asked if the redacted email recipient is John Key’s source, Cameron Slater says “I doubt that she passed it on” –

      twitter.com/mcquillanatorz/status/505552726516719616

      • karol 15.2.1

        So who is it they they claim we all now know is the source? – [feeling stupid]

        • BLiP 15.2.1.1

          Whaledump, surely? He/she gave it to the media which, in turn, provided a copy to John Key so that he could comment on an upcoming story. Rather than simply wait until publication, John Key is trying to seize the situation and hamper any momentum it has before it reaches him personally. As Mr Gould has pointed out, we can now expect lines like “National Ltd™ has recognised there is an issue and it is being dealt with”, “move along now, nothing to see here”, “we are focussed on the issues that matter and New Zealanders will judge for themselves who is behind all this”, “its time to talk about law and order, health, education, and the economy” . . . never mind the fact that this issue is now the defining issue of the election. It is John Key’s legacy, after six years, this is what he has left New Zealand to deal with.

          Well, that’s my guess.

          • karol 15.2.1.1.1

            Gower reckons Key’s office know the name of the person that sent this latest email. Whaledump would not be disclosing any real name to Key.

            PS: check the comments below the tweet linked to above.

            • BLiP 15.2.1.1.1.1

              Patrick Gover and the rest of the MSM cannot be trusted with any speculation because we don’t know who’s feeding it into the narrative. I’m going for Occam’s Razor on this one. Whaledump has handed the media a portion of the emails and has shot off to Valuatu, probably at the MSM’s expense. Also, if Gover is correct, the fact that John Key knows the name of the person who sent the copy of the email he released does not mean that the person is a not journalist. IMHO.

              • karol

                Gower says this is what the PM’s office told him. See my quote and link above as to what Gower actually said.

                • weka

                  Hmmm, trust Gower and/or the PM’s office, tricky isn’t it.

                • BLiP

                  Hmmm . . . okay, fair nuff, and thank you. Now that I think a little more about it. an email like the one released by John Key would, I believe, have featured writ-large in “Dirty Politics”. So, yeah, I’m the the same boat, now; where did it come from?

        • Weepus beard 15.2.1.2

          Odgers.

  16. Frida 16

    When you read the email, it reads as if Cactus was a party to it. Eg ‘Cathy can update separately….’
    There is a redacted name at the top. Put 2 and 2 together?
    Also, as Paddy Gower raised on the news tonight, who is the addressee ‘mark?’
    Full inquiry please. This stinks.

  17. joe90 17

    Yeshua.

    Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz 11m

    Was Mark Hotchin involved in the campaign to get rid of Adam Feeley? If so, huge questions about state of NZ politics.

    twitter.com/melmac21/status/505613881515851776

    edit: with bells

    Auckland’s most expensive house, the seven-bedroom mansion on exclusive Paritai Drive partly financed by former Hanover Finance director Mark Hotchin, has been sold to businessman Deyi Shi for $39 million.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11164421

  18. karol 18

    Tweet from David Lawson:

    @norightturnnz @JudithCollinsMP Feely investigates Hotchin,Colins takes out Feely, Hotchin sells Paritai to Collin’s Husbands boss Sone Shi?

  19. joe90 19

    with bells

    Auckland’s most expensive house, the seven-bedroom mansion on exclusive Paritai Drive partly financed by former Hanover Finance director Mark Hotchin, has been sold to businessman Deyi Shi for $39 million.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11164421

  20. joe90 20

    Yeshua.

    Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz 11m

    Was Mark Hotchin involved in the campaign to get rid of Adam Feeley? If so, huge questions about state of NZ politics.

    twitter.com/melmac21/status/505613881515851776

    Auckland’s most expensive house, the seven-bedroom mansion on exclusive Paritai Drive partly financed by former Hanover Finance director Mark Hotchin, has been sold to businessman Deyi Shi for $39 million.

    nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11164421

  21. Rich 21

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10442284/Judith-Collins-resigns-says-shes-a-victim

    703 comments, and on a read of the first 20 the only favourable ones will be paid for and as rare as hen’s teeth. It is not possible for this current government to win this election. It is possible for them to take it, but not to win it.

  22. Frida 22

    I just googled ‘Cameron slater mark hotchin’ out of morbid interest. Back in 2011 when crown law/FMA froze hotchin’s assets, whale oil ran a series of posts defending the guy…
    This is potentially huge.

    • Bill 23.1

      …when bubby toothy sharky things run out of chum….. 😉

    • Blue 23.2

      Slater needs to go hard on this one to cover his tracks.

      If Odgers was the leaker (and it’s hard to imagine that it could be anyone else) then that means a decision was made to throw Collins under the bus as a last-ditch attempt to preserve the right’s chances of an election victory.

      Slater professes a personal friendship with Collins, so he couldn’t be the one to swing the axe. Odgers had to do it. But the question is, was Slater complicit in it?

      • One Anonymous Bloke 23.2.1

        Nah, Odgers panicked. There’s no strategy here other than avoiding prison.

  23. joe90 24

    Peter Aranyi – 2 July 2011 :Hotchins Carrick Graham connection.(scroll down}.

    h/t Morgan Godfery.

  24. Pete 25

    And now Slater has laid a complaint against the PM. For those who can appreciate a good metaphor, this scene from Skyfall reminds me a lot of the current state of the National Party.

  25. RedBaronCV 26

    And from the NBR article.
    “Mr Hooton’s company Exceltium has had a longtime contract to promote the iPredict political marketplace, which is run by Victoria University and lets its 7000 registered users bet on the likelihood of various political events.”

    How much money are our young people having to borrow to pay fees to Victoria so they can support expenses of this sort?

    I was at a session at Vic some years back when a staff member appeared in the room to promote ipredict. I had a look and was sure it wasn’t operating as it should -possible to make money by placing a straddle – I’ve said so on here before.
    So what exactly does Vic think it’s doing?? Is it spending funds on ipredict, facilitating it, something else?

  26. From the link to the sale of the Hotchin mansion:

    Mr Shi [the purchaser] speaks limited English and is more at home on the golf course, playing daily. He has teed off with Prime Minister John Key, whose portrait hangs in the company’s boardroom.

    • fdx 28.1

      Well it has given me a shit eating grin from ear to ear.

      Can’t hardly wait for tomorrows instalment!

      Can it get any better?

      More popcorn anyone?

    • blue leopard 28.2

      Try this one c/- KDC’s Twitter:

      http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2014/08/30/en-nouvelle-zelande-l-etrange-scandale-qui-mele-le-premier-ministre-et-un-blogueur_4479076_4408996.html

      Perhaps might give fdx an even wider grin?

      [sans the http part]

      • blue leopard 28.2.1

        Ooo spooky the ‘http’ part added itself automatically

      • Clemgeopin 28.2.2

        Why is KDC mentioned in the headline?

        • yeshe 28.2.2.1

          think it’s because it came from his twitter account ..

        • blue leopard 28.2.2.2

          While I don’t read french fluently, it is pretty clear the article is a run-down of John Key’s leadership and the scandal regarding Collins, it goes onto explain about whaledump and Kim Dot Com’s involvement in politics and concludes by explaining another revelation is set to occur on the 15th of September with Greenwald present. (I guess they may have thought KDC was more of a draw card than a picture of Collins or Slater)

          • Colonial Viper 28.2.2.2.1

            Fascinating how these political happenings in little ol’ NZ are making waves around the world.

            Foreigners can see here in Aotearoa a pattern of political malfeasance interwoven with media complicity and the surveillance state, a pattern which has parallels in other western countries.

            • blue leopard 28.2.2.2.1.1

              Yes! Hager made that point too and I like it.

              At the moment I’ve been feeling a real pride in the people in New Zealand who are getting active in fighting past the spin to get the truth out. It has seemed that we have been collectively asleep for so many years and now there are people really pushing to get things cleaned up.

              We have much more chance of turning this issue into a positive shift because we are a small country and because of the nature of our voting system.

              I will truly be glowing with pride in NZ (for once) if New Zealanders really wake up to what is at stake and do something about it with their votes and get rid of this bunch of degenerates.

              We need a functioning democracy – not a bunch of loons deceiving people into voting against their own best interests. I hope we collectively are up to ensuring this trend is halted and democracy is improved.

      • Rich 28.2.3

        That was written by;

        Grégor Brandy (Journaliste)

        Can we get some of those in this country after the election?

  27. weka 29

    Here you go fdx, just up on twitter,

    Today’s front page: The minister and the money man, the real story behind @JudithCollinsMP’s demise – a @SundayStarTimes investigation.

  28. weka 30

    Here you go fdx, just up on twitter,

    Today’s front page: The minister and the money man, the real story behind @JudithCollinsMP’s demise – a @SundayStarTimes investigation.

    twitter.com/SundayStarTimes/status/505690901075599360

    • yeshe 30.1

      thanks weka … wonder which ‘money’ man they mean ? there are so many …. should be quite a day tomorrow !

      • CM 30.1.1

        Hotchin.
        Poo, meet Fan. Fan, meet poo.

        • yeshe 30.1.1.1

          😀 nice one CM !

          • dv 30.1.1.1.1

            Maybe Jones WAS right.

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9826439/Shane-Jones-apologises-over-Collins-comments

            “Yesterday, Jones alleged Collins had been living at the Auckland mansion formerly owned by failed finance director Mark Hotchin, now owned by Oravida chairman Stone Shi.

            Collins had earlier said she and her husband had not stayed at the former Hotchin mansion, which is in Auckland’s upmarket Paritai Drive. Suggestions they had stayed there while their own house was being renovated were wrong.

            An emotional Collins said Jones’ comments were “hurtful” but she would not elaborate on what the comments might have meant.

            • Delia 30.1.1.1.1.1

              Well I doubt he came out with it just out of his head, same with Winston saying Judith sent a messenger to talk with him.

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  • Professional Internet Trolls being used to push manmade climate change lies
    Is the terrorist Organisation Greenpeace and the loony Green parties around the World hiring professional internet trolls? I have noticed a trend lately where if you post research, news articles or even comments that show the manmade climate change scam to be just that, you are immediately attacked, often within ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Strike!
    Today is the first day of the global climate strike. Led by schoolkids, people all around the world are going to protest to demand action on climate change. New Zealand isn't doing it till next Friday (join us!), but if you want to get active early, there's plenty to do ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Squandering our opportunity?
    The Herald has a story today about the 400 MW of wind power currently under construction. Good news, right? Except that none of it is being driven by policy (instead, its about replacing Contact Energy's Taranaki Combined Cycle gas-fired power plant, due to shut down in 2022), and most of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Protect The King!
    To Protect and Serve: When the Prime Minister finds herself enmeshed in the coils of a full-blown political scandal, her colleagues and party comrades have only one priority: to release her as swiftly – and with as little lasting injury – as possible. Is this what Jacinda Ardern’s colleagues and ...
    2 days ago
  • The rot at the top.
    When military leaders cover up and lie to elected civilian authorities, the foundation of democratic civil-military relations is undermined because it is those authorities who are entrusted to hold the military accountable to the public that they mutually serve. But this is only true if civilian political authorities take their ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago
  • Challenging the voting age in court
    The Make It 16 campaign to lower the voting age is launching this afternoon, and they have already announced plans to challenge the law in court:The campaign, named "Make it 16" will launch at Parliament on Friday, with plans to take their case to the High Court, testing the rights ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Israel’s elections herald a long siesta
    by Daphna Whitmore The long years of Netanyahu’s reign are drawing to an end. For years he has epitomized reactionary zionism as he oversaw hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers seize land in the West Bank. There are now 700,000 settlers, putting an end to the myth that Israel was ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    3 days ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    3 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    4 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    4 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    6 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    6 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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