Spinning the media: commericial imperatives

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1. Bill 1

   2 September 2014 at 11:31 am

   …it wasn’t so much what was being posted on Whale Oil and, at time Kiwiblog, that has been the problem. The problem has been that mainstream journalists gave them too much credibility and were too ready to run their lines.

   Agree.

   Also, I wonder…here at ‘ts’ and on other notable blogs, ideas and critical analysis are fairly common. Some of them are important and (it seems) they very seldom if ever get traction in the mainstream.

   A part of me, and not completely absently, wonders then, if ‘the word’ was put out, by or through WO etc, to ignore ‘ts’ and other blogs if journalists wanted to preserve easy access to scoops and insider info coming from WO. It would make sense when running lines and ‘capturing’ the narrative to exclude ‘interference’, no?
   • emergency mike 1.1

     2 September 2014 at 12:50 pm

     Yes Bill, I wonder how much WO & friends of the VRWC kept an eye on the discussions here. I’ve often thought that the distraktor tr0lls and sock muppets who used to comment here but now seem to have disappeared for some strange reason were simply testing their Ede/Farrar spin lines here. To see what kind of objections a bunch of intelligent lefties would come up with. Close to 100% of the time the discussion simply ended with them looking like incoherent morons – but they kept coming back.

     As it’s been pointed out there is no left leaning equivalent to WO. But what needs to be said is that there is no right leaning equivalent to TS. There is high level discussion here which has consistently offered critical lines that have proven to be prescient that the MSM could have investigated, but didn’t.

     WO and Kiwiblog have consistently offered attack and smear lines that appears to be propaganda coordinated with the National party. The MSM lapped it up and jumped on board.
   • Tracey 1.2

     2 September 2014 at 2:21 pm

     And hooton and farrar have been used by MSM evan after suggestions of their manipulation were made public…
2. Tigger 2

   2 September 2014 at 11:37 am

   +1 Karol. ‘Authorities ‘ are old media ways to provide relief. It won’t work moving forward. We need to use existing laws, as you rightly say, and root out/not tolerate the kind of behaviour Slater et al have engaged in.

   The current situation arose because of the conspiracy between the media and our government. It would help to have the entire thing examined, picked over and held up as an example of what should not happen.
3. Anne 3

   2 September 2014 at 11:41 am

   It’s my view that Nicky Hager only captured the tip of the iceberg in his book “Dirty Politcis”, and sooner or later the whole truth is going to be revealed. Unfortunately not before the election.

   Take the Donaghua Liu pro-forma letter:

   It’s clear Liu was working in tandem with some National politicians, Slater’s mob, and in all probability “the PM’s Office”. It was they who encouraged Liu to go public with his claims. From memory, it was the Herald journo who OIA’d the letter and knowledge of it’s existence could only have come from Liu in the first instance.

   An orchestrated campaign to bring down Cunliffe by the Nat. Party Black Ops. machine operating out of the PM.s Office and some unethical and partisan journos.

   Cunliffe’s Phil Goff moment. Only this time they didn’t get away with it due to the diligence and courage shown by the hacker, Rawshark and Nicky Hager.
4. joe90 4

   2 September 2014 at 11:48 am

   This.

   http://www.truthliesdeceptioncoverups.info/2013/05/spotting-spin-some-tricks-of-trade.html

   H/T Richard over at PA.
   • disturbed 4.1

     2 September 2014 at 12:57 pm

     Joe,

     I am blown away by this National Government closely aligning their propaganda policy’s to Goebbels system.

     Steven Joyce is the man behind this as his elk William Joyce was the radio broadcaster who defected to NAZI Germany from Britain in 1941 to spout NAZI propaganda for Hitler.

     We now have proof that John Key attended a secret NAZI founded organisation in Europe in 2011 and with held this from the NZ public.

     The organisation Bilderberg was founded by NAZI Party in 1943, to have the NAZI party stay alive when Germany lost the war.

     We need to have a full independent royal commission to investigate all National affiliation with any foreign agents who are assisting National to subvert the course of our Democracy and Justice,

     § Why did John Key not inform the citizens of this Country in 2011 when he attended a NAZI founded organisation called the Bilderberg group, in Europe?

     This group is well known as one of the most secretive clandestine organisations globally, that specialises in weakening Governments with Black Ops special forces.
     Below he was in attendance as John Key Prime Minister of New Zealand.

     Attended by most the biggest industrial and richest elite globally their aim is to dominate the globe and control all activities.

     http://twochurchesonly.com/supmat/03/most_influential/bilderberg_group/
     list_of_bilderberg_attendees.pdf

     List of Bilderberg participants 4
     New Zealand
     • John Key (2011-2012), Prime Minister of New Zealand
     http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bilderberg

     No Bilderberg meeting agenda has ever been made public. “It is the epitome of low-profile dark ops, a shadow government hidden in a doorway.” According to critics and close observers, it’s agenda is to weaken all world leadership but their own. It is also, according to a U.S. law called the Logan Act, [15] illegal:
     • Te Reo Putake 4.1.1

       2 September 2014 at 1:39 pm

       Winner of today’s Pyroplastic Flow trophy. Well done, disturbed!
     • joe90 4.1.2

       2 September 2014 at 2:29 pm

       ~double face-palm~
5. fambo 5

   2 September 2014 at 12:07 pm

   The irony of the claim that The Standard is doing the same as Whale Oil is that the MSM has had so many great story leads to follow on The Standard and Daily Blog but has actually ignored them all, putting it days, weeks and even months behind breaking news.
   • weka 5.1

     2 September 2014 at 12:24 pm

     +1,000!
6. Puddleglum 6

   2 September 2014 at 12:19 pm

   Excellent analysis karol.

   I think the ‘crunch’ that the media have been under – as with every other part of society – since the 1980s leads almost inevitably to this kind of weakening of the public interest role.

   That ‘interest’ is replaced by rather more commercial interests. Even a ‘public interest’ story is pursued only if it can also meet the commercial interest. There is no sense of the public interest role being a requisite for a serious news organisation irrespective of its effect on the ‘bottom line’.

   In parallel and interconnected is the general population – which is under the same ‘crunch’ – seeking from media a distraction from life, a softly chewable version of the world with no ‘hard bits’ in it.

   The end result is the kind of tolerance for deception and projects of misinformation (even approval of them as being ‘clever’) that we see today.
   • Tracey 6.1

     2 September 2014 at 2:24 pm

     Shift of focus to bottom line thinking results in staff cuts and pandering pieces… Hence glucoma is actually paid for what she does… And “opinion” writers like Hide, Laws, McCarten, coddington, peope whocannot escape their tie to a particular ideology but get presented with valuable air time to influence and run lines
7. ghostwhowalksnz 7

   2 September 2014 at 12:36 pm

   This bit of weasel speak is interesting:

   “3 News were involved in breaking that story, and had done their own forensic investigation about the sources. He assures listeners that Slater was not the source: that they had been looking at the story for a while, and had been communicating with other sources.”

   Thats pretty easy to use Slater as a straw man here as National didnt run everything through him. As the original letter was found by Woodhouse when he did a full search of files, it probably didnt go to Ede at all, just another one of the Orifices press flunkies.
8. Phat Psycho Hen Joky 8

   2 September 2014 at 12:45 pm

   Cognitive Dissonance, the Rule of Consistency and Our Media/Political Commentators

   Has anyone been listening to our Media/Political Commentators lately, and are they going through Cognitive Dissonance? It appears they hate being inconsistent. I would almost say they are becoming a little unhinged.

   Cognitive Dissonance http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html:
   “we hold many cognitions about the world and ourselves; when they clash, a discrepancy is evoked, resulting in a state of tension known as cognitive dissonance. As the experience of dissonance is unpleasant, we are motivated to reduce or eliminate it, and achieve consonance (i.e. agreement).”

   These are some of the comments on a particular radio station this week (hopefully not out of context, you need to check accuracy)

   Mr X:
   • It would be a shame that the current issues with dirty politics would influence the election.
   • They should take stock and look over the policies and how it will pan out in the next 3 years?
   • An important consideration is what effect the revelations in Dirty politics will have on legitimate public discourse

   Mr Y:
   •Gives advice to JK (he should have come clean and this would have all been avoided)
   •Mentions the National Party were treating him badly and that he has a soft spot for a particular minister because he stood up for him for a contract (also mentions he got paid quite well for the contract)?
   •Gets a jibe in at Nikki Hager using a 3rd party, John Keys comment
   •Then mentions how bad all this dirty politics and the influencing of politics

   Mr & Mrs Z:
   •The usual: interview someone about dirty politics, then say, gee, everyone does it, the left does it to (then make it a recurring theme in every interview – i.e. too distract)

   The odd fair comment, but in general, these guys are in denial. Just take this one comment from the above:

   “It would be a shame that the current issues with dirty politics would influence the election”

   So, your saying let’s separate out dirty politics, ignore what was going on, pretend that all is well, that democracy is just fine? Its like saying it’s ok to be abused then let your abuser off the hook and say that he is a nice guy?

   These commentators sound (tonal) balanced, but, really, are they? Personally, it appears to me they are going through a crisis of consistency and cognitive dissonance. its apparent a number of media people are feeling left out in the cold. How do you reconcile this?

   How do you reconcile with a smiling assassin?
9. Phat Psycho Hen Joky 9

   2 September 2014 at 1:10 pm

   If you think about it, Cognitive Dissonance is an extremely clever part of attack politics.

   People will simple turn off and go away, or keep moving in the same direction.

   I am blown away by how many people are in denial about this, they just don’t want to know and will come up with every excuse under the sun to justify it.

   How can the clean cut Keys be such a sleaze…. its not possible?

   So, how do you turn this around?

   How do you get people to change tack? Thats the fundamental question.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1

     2 September 2014 at 1:14 pm

     Studies indicate modest success with emotion-based strategies when tackling right wing bigotry. No doubt the government will cut their funding.
   • adam 9.2

     2 September 2014 at 1:22 pm

     It’s called counter propaganda. Basically what OAB said – but, lets keep the details, mum.
10. Peter_T 10

    2 September 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Great, but I’m still a bit disappointed that Labour has not fully committed to properly funding the sort of public media system it (rightly) diagnoses as the answer to the identified problems with the corporate media and right-wing blogosphere.
11. Dont worry. Be happy 11

    2 September 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Jane Goodell when asked how do you change peoples’ minds said, “you tell them a story and change their hearts”
12. Paul 12

    2 September 2014 at 5:47 pm

    Shadows of Liberty …film
    Recommended viewing for us…so we don’t end up as bad as the USA.
    http://shadowsofliberty.org/
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1543807/

    We’re getting close.
13. dave 13

    4 September 2014 at 2:47 am

    a lot of reporters are very compromised know creditability as reporters blown apart best use for a herald is a wrapper for fish and chips that’s it they are struggling to sell there paper get subscriptions this whole affair is not going to help I think there should be a boycott campaign launched at some of the media

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