Standing up for freedom for the sexually adventurous Right

Written By: - Date published: 12:38 pm, August 5th, 2012 - 109 comments
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For a guy whose god had two dads, Colin Craig seems pretty worked up about gays. He’s raised the spectre of marriage equality leading to polygamous marriage. I’m not sure what’s meant to be so scary about that. Polygamous relationships are legal. But Craig seems fascinated by it. It’s often those things we like least in ourselves that we criticise in others.

Maybe Craig’s outbursts and his obsession with adult relationships beyond his own with his wife are a secret cry for help. Maybe Craig should be allowed to marry as many people as he needs to.

Then, there’s Professor Frink impersonator and failed candidate for the leadership of ACT, Stephen Franks. He says ‘I love my dog but that doesn’t mean I should be able to marry it.”

I say, why not, Stephen? I won’t get in your way.

Oh, wait. I know one reason. Marriage is a form of contract. Contracts can only be agreed by parties that have the power to consent to them. Animals don’t have the legal ability to consent to contracts. If they did, I would be seeking damages from my cat for the mess she left when she brought that dead rat into the house the other week, not proposing to the dog.

Finally, Colin King. He reckons “what my wife and I have enjoyed over 42 years, I don’t think anyone of the same sex could enjoy”. Well, in a strictly physical sense, Colin, you’re right, different combinations of equipment and all that – but what things are they enjoying that you can only wonder at as you lie awake in the early hours?

Or maybe King is saying that his marriage is so beyond compare to any possible same-sex relationship that for them to marry would be like appointing a badger as admiral – they simply couldn’t make use of the role the way that King and Mrs King do. That implies that King, who remains a complete unknown after three elections and has been demoted on National’s list each time, must have some serious hidden talents if his marriage beats all the same-sex relationships in all the world to the extent that allowing same-sex couples to marry would be a waste of time. I don’t know what’s in the crayfish down at Kaikoura but, if King’s uber-marriage puts all others into the shade, they ought to be bottling it.

The Right seems to be a collection of polygamy-curious, animal-loving, uber-lovers. And good on them (apart from the bestiality). But I’m still not sure why any of the Right’s secret fetishes leads to them thinking that two consenting adults who want to marry oughtn’t be allowed to do so.

109 comments on “Standing up for freedom for the sexually adventurous Right”

  1. mike e 1

    Maybe he’s wanting to convert to being islamic

  2. CnrJoe 2

    a guy whose god has two dads – heh
    Theres a letter writer who suggested barriage and garriage as variations on marriage for a man and a woman lol

  3. Craig got fucking schooled by Wall on The Nation this morning. Was damned entertaining.

    edit: by this morning I meant yesterday morning. But, fuck it, he got fucked either way.

  4. But I’m still not sure why any of the Right’s secret fetishes leads to them thinking that two consenting adults who want to marry oughtn’t be allowed to do so.

    You must be talking about the fundie right rather than “The Right” which isn’t a single entity, especially on this issue. On KB and Whale Oil there are probably more numbers supporting marriage equality than against. It’s just that those against are often the most vocal and repetitive.

    The more Colin “he’s not Christian” Craig argues against marriage equality the more he helps the pro arguments.

    Same with the handful of devout antis that swarm to the centre right blogs every time there’s a hint of homosexual. They will never change their minds but don’t seem to change other minds either, unless it’s against their extreme sermons.

    Here’s a classic:

    Sodomite marriage is not a minor change – it is a radical change, one far more radical then polygamy would ever be.

    And as for “polls suggesting support” that is the oldest trick in the social engineers playbook trying to convince people with common sense that they are out of step with the majority- when they are not.

    That and silencing critics.

    In truth this is an agenda spawned in Hell by the prince of deceit and deceit is what is being used to foist this abomination on this country.

    Accusations of ‘silencing critics’ keep coming up oddly, the critics are just frustrated that they repel rather than attract support as they get louder.

    • Te Reo Putake 4.1

      🙄

    • Pascal's bookie 4.2

      I guess we’ll find out where the right stands when their representaives vote on the second reading.

      • Pete George 4.2.1

        Who is “the right” and who are “their representatives”?

        • Colonial Viper 4.2.1.1

          *facepalm*

        • Pascal's bookie 4.2.1.2

          Jeez Pete, I’d have thought you would have been aware that the right in NZ is represented by the National and ACT parties.

          Most NZers are well aware of that. Head out into the street tommorrow and ask some random poeple if the National and ACT parties are right wing or left wing.

          Then ask them that if someone wanted to get marriage equality through the house, should they vote for a right wing, or for a left wing, party.

          • Pete George 4.2.1.2.1

            Jeez PB, I’d thought you would have been more aware of the myth of the left/right divide. Most people are more centre than left or right. I doubt that people think in terms of ‘left’ and ‘right’.

            The hard right don’t feel represented, they claim National are left. Just like the hard left claim Labour are right. They both can’t be correct.

            National represent quite a bit of the centre and a bit rightish – and also some a bit leftish prefer them. Labour cover much of the same ground but aren’t so popular at the moment.

            • Pascal's bookie 4.2.1.2.1.1

              What’s the centre Pete? What political parties calim to represent it.

              not the centre-left, or the centre-right; but the centre?

              You really are quite breath-takingly stupid.

              • felix

                Breath-wastingly more like

              • Take a deep breath and read this:

                Centre left and centre right politics both involve a general association with centrism combined with leaning slightly to one side of the spectrum.

                You presumably are aware that National is generally regarded as centre-right, and Labour as centre-left.

                What parties claim to represent ‘the right’?

                • Pascal's bookie

                  From the same page:

                  In New Zealand, United Future is the centrist party with currently one seat in parliament.

                  It’s also pretty hilarious, and telling, that you had to toddle off to wikipedia to try and find out what the centre is.

                  Your agument that most people are centrist would be supported if it turned out that there were massive swings between National and Labour. In reality, there isn’t. There is a small pool of wing voters, and a pool of people that sometimes don’t vote. Both these pools are dwarfed by the voters that pretty much always vote for either the left or the right.

                  And in the context of this discussion, which you seem desperate to move away from, the National party is happy to get the votes of people who are opposed to marriage equality.

                  If yu want evidence of this, look at who is hiding from this debate, and explain the pattern. Why are the Labour party mps far more likely to have stated a position, and far more likely for that position to be in favour?

                  I can easily explain that in terms of Labour not being afraid of their supporters on this issue, and National MPs being afraid of the bigots in their support base. Bigots that they actively sort the support of.

                  So what’s your explanation?

                  Quick! Off to wikipedia with you! (HINT: The answer isn’t there, you’ll have to think)

                  And Pete, if something is contains elements of the centre, but leans to the left, then it’s, tadaa, on the left of the centre. That’s just fucking physics.

                • felix

                  Is Johnny Winter a blues guitarist or a flamenco guitarist?

                  Well as he’s generally known for playing “blues-rock”, I’d have to say “neither”.

                  If I were being a cock, that is.

                • There is no centre-right party.

                  There is a centre party (Labour) and a right party. (National)

              • Socialist Paddy

                The centre is made up of people that are not only too stupid to make their minds up but also too stupid to realise that they are not as bright as those who actually hold political views.

                • Stuart Mathieson

                  People like you I suspect.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Did you even read (or understand) what S.P. wrote? :mrgreen:

                    • Yeah, those in the centre are so stupid they decide the elections, they hold the power, and their policies get put forward, debated, enacted with popular and parliamentary support. Dumb, eh.

                      And the ever so extremists foam futilely from the sidelines abusing anyone they disagree with, wondering why their brilliance is continually overlooked, baffled why being an arrogant arsehole doesn’t attract any support.

                      Centrists actually make up their mind they want to be in a position to make all the decisions.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      That’s just how Pete 🙄 s

                    • felix

                      I’m constantly in awe of the awesome amount of awesome policy Peter Dunne has had “put forward, debated, enacted with popular and parliamentary support” in his 73 years as a minister.

                      Just awesome. Making all the decisions.

                      🙄

                    • Ah felix, the bitterness of opposition.

                      Peter Dunne has “put forward, debated, enacted with popular and parliamentary support” compared to:

                      Hone Harawira and Mana nil, compared to much more.

                      All eight NZF MPS – nil, compared to much more.

                      All fourteen Green MPs – at least they are putting a bit of pressure on Government, compared to much more influence and actuall doing things.

                      All thirty three Labour MPs – they’re making some progress with a few members bills, most due to the decisions and support of Peter Dunne.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Peter Dunne has a Ministerial warrant and has cut a deal with John key, so he better be doing the business of Government, Pete.

                    • felix

                      And yet for some mysterious reason, no-one is ever able to list Old Man Dunne’s great achievements when questioned about them.

                      By which I mean of course they could list them and it wouldn’t take long – chaired a meeting to set up a group to form a committee to think about a report on something no-one gave a shit about, ran an errand or two for whoever was in power at the time etc – but they won’t list them because it’d be a fucking disgraceful list for someone with 156 years as a government minister.

                • “The centre is made up of people that are not only too stupid to make their minds up but also too stupid to realise that they are not as bright as those who actually hold political views.”

                  What a pile of shit. Complete garbage. 

                  • Colonial Viper

                    That explanation was convincing, you won me over 🙄

                    • Because it is up to me to disprove every piece of gibberish someone vomits out?
                      Jesus man, what can be assumed without evidence (Paddy’s wild assertion about centrists) can be dismissed without evidence (my comment).

                      This lesson in logic is free.

          • David H 4.2.1.2.2

            You forgot the UF. The flip flopper of the Parliamentary system, Dunny’s like a light flashing Red then Blue and getting stuck on one or the other for years. Hmm 2014 they’ll need a black light for 0 seats.

        • RedBlooded 4.2.1.3

          🙄

  5. Tiger Mountain 5

    Local tory MP in Northland, ex copper and former Methcon CEO Mike Sabin has announced that he will be voting against the Wall bill. He might be more favourably disposed to inter species marriage given his farmer support base.

  6. bad12 6

    I beg for the inclusion of some ‘compulsion’ in the Louisa Wall legislation, call it the ‘Franks clause’,

    Stephne Franks should HAVE to marry His dog…

  7. mac1 7

    Around our way we all : roll : where Colin King is concerned. Even the local Nats think he’s a dead weight and will replace him if he doesn’t retire which the local Nat rumour mill says is going to happen. He will have done his nine years and will get his pension.

    The local paper ran an opinion piece from some of the local clergy who oppose gay marriage. Colin is no doubt influenced by that as well as the fundy vote which is quite strong hereabouts.

    But, for all that, the local paper also ran a very good editorial which ran the same day as Colin King apprised the world of his wisdom. http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/opinion/7374457/Editorial-Right-to-be-recognised

    Colin King has a page on the National Party web-site which named his electorate of Kaikoura as “Kia Koura” which would translate as “be crayfish-like.” Pretty descriptive really of the conservative opposition to gay marrrage- have a thick skin, and move backwards into cover when threatened.

  8. Tigger 8

    Superb post, Z. I’m surprised Franks is so candid about his penchant for bestiality. It’s a crime, effectively rape of an animal, since an animal cannot consent to sex.

    As for King’s remark, shouldn’t I at least get to try to have a marriage as good as his super-marriage? I mean, maybe I’m doomed to failure, but I’d like a shot at it. Or is that ladder to be pulled up after you Nats too?

  9. chris73 9

    “The Right seems to be a collection of polygamy-curious, animal-loving, uber-lovers.” Gee way to tar everyone with the same brush…

  10. muzza 10

    This topic is simply a way of keeping people divided/distracted, just like the mythical left right slight of hand…

    Anyone really know why Colin Craig is being used the way he is currently, why all the air time all of a sudden! The quick answer could be to take some heat on behalf of the NACT, because they won’t front up over this issue, and or to try get him some face time for his party.

    I would not go with either of those two options myself, because both are a little too obvious and unnecessary imo.

    • Colin Craig seems to be having “issues” with his own sexuality?

      ” He was so sure that homosexuality was a choice, he bet his own sexuality on it.

      “Do you think you could choose to be gay if that is the case?,” he was asked.

      “Sure. Sure I could,” he responded.

      “You could choose to be gay?,” he was asked again.

      “Yea, if I wanted to,’ he replied. “

      Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/Colin-Craig-Gay-parents-not-good-role-models/tabid/1607/articleID/262919/Default.aspx

      What is it they say about fundamentalists who carp on about gays? Oh yes, “Methinks you doth protest too much, Mr Craig.”

      • David H 10.1.1

        “Colin Craig seems to be having “issues” with his own sexuality?”

        Why is it that when I see him he looks like he is dressed for school? It must be the ‘old’ school tie that he wears. But he comes across as a head prefect type, that used to roam the hallowed halls of education with a cane, and an unhealthy interest in younger boys.

        However with the amount of noise he is making over this, it also begs me to ponder if he is a closet queen. Just a thought, as you never hear anything from him unless its about this, or god. 2 of what could be unhealthy obsessions when put together. Ahh the good old days of catholic school.

    • Vicky32 10.2

      This topic is simply a way of keeping people divided/distracted, just like the mythical left right slight of hand…
       

      Absolutely, and it looks as if it’s working very well! To hell with identity politics, I say, when there are things that really matter, and people are suffering real oppression in other places.

  11. MrSmith 11

    42 years good for him.

    Personally I like steak and chips but I don’t want to have to eat them every night for 42 years, off the top of my head the NZ average for marriage is about 7 years, about the same as people moving house.

    Colin (the invisible man) King is a high achiever in-fact 6, or sex times the average at 42 years and hats off to him, but in 42 years of marriage something it would seem he hasn’t learned is tolerance, the tolerance to accept that his way may not be the only way.

  12. infused 12

    Waiting for the bill where I can have 10 wives. Oh yeah *rubs hands*

  13. RedLogix 13

    Personally I’d prefer that we stopped pretending that marriage had anything to do with ‘choosing the one you love’, and owned up to it’s reality … that marriage is about children and the dynastic accumulation of property. In this light most people will understand marriage to be a contract between one man and one woman. And it’s the only context in which such an arrangement makes much sense.

    In reality most people are not monogamous. The East traditionally did polygamy similtaneously; while in the West we do it sequentially. And both forms of course are highly paternalistic. Most people have somewhere between several and a dozen or so ‘significant’ sexual partners in their lifetime.

    Which is not to necessarily diminish them; often these pair-bonds do last a lifetime in one form or another, which given the length of the human lifespan and the enormous changes which occur over it is a remarkable thing. Nor is there any intrinsic reason why we might only love one person at a time; indeed if you set aside sex from the picture; we all love many, many people in our lives.

    But nonetheless the maps of our sexual lives are deeply complex and variable and the word marriage is far too narrow and rigid a thing to be a sole and reliable guide. Personally I’d prefer we left it alone as Colin Craig would have it. If we truly want to be ‘with the ones we love’ … then I’d say we should own that … and that we need a new word that is not so fundamentally tangled up with ownership, property and patriarchy as well.

    • bad12 13.1

      I believe that a lot of the Christian Fundamentalists still see marriage as a property right…

      • Roy 13.1.1

        That would explain a lot that I have never understood! So they can’t imagine two men getting married because who owns whom, and they can’t imagine two women getting married because dammit, women can’t own women. Makes a ghastly kind of sense if you are sick enough to believe that marriage is about owning a woman.

      • Funny how Christian Fundamentalists have this ‘urge’ to be concerned with other peoples’ sexuality and relationships… Quite unhealthy, really.

        Almost voyeuristic…

        • Roy 13.1.2.1

          They probably read the Old Testament too much. There is a lot of really sick stuff in there.

          • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.1.1

            Yeah OK, that’s revealing.

            • Roy 13.1.2.1.1.1

              Yeah I admit I’ve read the entire Bible, as have many of us atheists, because it gives us ammo for arguing with the religious.

      • Vicky32 13.1.3

        I believe that a lot of the Christian Fundamentalists still see marriage as a property right…

        Then I assume that you don’t actually know any Christians, fundamentalists or not. I spent decades in fundamentalist churches before deciding that I belonged elsewhere, and I’ve yet to meet a ‘fundamentalist’ as barking mad, foaming at the mouth evil as you claim. Neither, it goes without saying have I ever met one who “sees marriage as a property right”…

  14. Cactus Kate 14

    Colin Craig is a right winger when he supports asset sales. He doesn’t.
    He seems to conduct dodgy polls to find policy.
    But no doubt he’s a fundy. I don’t subscribe to such as a right winger
    As for John Banks he’s about as ACT as Zetetic is.

    • RedBlooded 14.1

      What’s this, implosion in the ACT camp? Camp in the loosest sense of the word of course. Wonder what values they’ll be teaching at the Destiny Charter School Kate?

      • Pascal's bookie 14.1.1

        I wonder what Mr Crimp of Southland thinks about marriage equality.

        Or John Banks for that matter. Cactus can prtend that Zet is the leader of the ACT party if she wants to of course. But it’s kind of weird.

        I recall that Dr Brash said he regretted voting against civil unions, and blathering on about how ‘protecting the institution of marriage’; but seeing he needed the support of right wingers the politics of it forced him to take the stance he did.

        Funny that.

      • David H 14.1.2

        But how can you have a complete education if Religion rears it’s head, all over the Evolution thing as being Ungodly and therefore not to be taught?.

        • Vicky32 14.1.2.1

          if Religion rears it’s head, all over the Evolution thing as being Ungodly and therefore not to be taught?.

          Except that is doesn’t, fantasist.

    • felix 14.2

      Kate these social issues, issues of fairness, power, justice and human rights are to a large degree the issues that define the right wing. Craig, in his ignorance and bigotry, is the very essence of an old fashioned backwards inbred shit-for-brains unevolved right wing conservative.

      The term you’re looking for OTOH is “money-grubbing neo-lib fuckjob”.

      ps Did you vote ACT, Kate? I ask because quite a few of your lot seem to understand that Banks isn’t really ACT but just a run-o-the-mill right-wing National party dickhead, but voted ACT anyway. Which (I think) makes them, despite all protestations, National supporters.

      • chris 14.2.1

        Kate made a post a while ago saying she was now “apolitical” because ACT under Banks is such a farce/clusterfuck.

        • felix 14.2.1.1

          Apolitical my arse. She falls snugly into the money-grubbing neo-lib fuckjob camp.

    • mike e 14.3

      Prickly subject for the borring one seems as colin craig is right up your ally.
      he would make a good trojan horse for the less than 1% party that was ACT.
      No doubt with your squilioons you can buy him off.

  15. Roy 15

    So when is Colin King’s “Guide to Sensational Sex” being published?

  16. King Kong 16

    By the way, someone should let Stephen Franks know that you can marry dogs. Just ask Peter Davis

  17. aerobubble 17

    I have no problem with gay marriage, the Churches and moral conservatives, by denying even civil unions pretty much dealt themselves out of the debate and look hypocritical now.

    The only misgiving I have is around adoption, where a child has both a male and a female parent. That children should be place as close to their own religious up bringing, their family arrangement, as is practicable.

    Well okay, two misgivings, but the second isn’t necessarily marriage related. The idea that some
    citizens should get access to both male and female support because of their sexual orientation.
    i.e. a women being able to access sperm banks without a active male presence in their kids life,
    until men can have children, human ova incubated, then there is no equality.

    These two issue should however not prevent gay marriage going ahead. If Churches and other
    groups wanted to keep marriage sacred they should be stopping government collect their
    marriage certifications, until they do its just more intolerance from the faithful in their faithless
    denial of their own supposed tolerance.

    • Tracey 17.1

      aerobubble do you support artificial means for those God has deemed biologically unsuitable to have children?

      I am guessing you accept that most child abuse goes on with a significant adult of each sex within a child’s life?

      • aerobubble 17.1.1

        should we genetically shape future generation to the hilt? Depends. If we want to spread our
        seed to the universe, hell yes. However creating children who are infertile like their parents,
        on the off chance that society collapses and they cannot breed, is rather stupid.

        I’m of the belief that blind people, autistic people, etc, are all credible niches that persist
        because they either directly help societies find compassion, or provide direct alternative
        viewpoints, or are necessary part of the genetic balancing act to keep our species trim and
        fit. i.e. if we were to destroy all autistics would we be a much dumber species genetically?
        Hell yes.

        Look at Africa, Africans are the most genetically diverse, and it shows, they need a much
        more effective societal paradigm to stabilize enough to defend their collective interests.
        Whereas you find authoritarianism find easy prey in their dealings with mum and dad investors.

        As for child abuse, its not genetic, its societal mostly, where males mostly are dismissed
        and unable to find dignity that a very few outliers blame their kids and smash them against the wall
        in frustration. Similarly a very few women, cannot use physical violence to expel their rage, they have however an armory of psychological weapons to destroy people with. Of course it would
        be irrational to actively consider outliers in any constructive, moral, or ethical discussion, as the
        central part of the debate.

        Men have rights too, men have the right to withdraw sperm from a sperm bank, this
        should never be a right for a women to withdraw sperm from a sperm bank, while
        this basic disenfranchisement exists any real debate with radical feminism is a waste of time.
        As its not an equal partnership.

  18. kiwi_prometheus 18

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. Only a heterosexual couple can procreate, gays have to buy a Rusisan or African gayby off the internet, or use artificial methods.

    That only a man and a woman can produce children needs recognition for the central role it plays in civilisation. That is what marriage does.

    That is why the self righteous squeal “I have the right to marry whoever I love!” misses the point.

    • chris73 18.1

      You’re a complete dick smack

    • Draco T Bastard 18.2

      We’ve had this discussion before. You were proved wrong then and yet you keep to the same beliefs? Yep, that proves that you’re delusional, close-minded, bigoted fuckwit.

    • prism 18.3

      kiwi-p
      The central role that having children has for civilisation – can be to break it down. Too many children and there is no time for parents or the village to instil culture or take an interest in them, if poor the necessity of finding food and water means little joy and parental time, the older children are babycarers while mother and father work to provide the family’s existence. Great civilisation!

      But by all means carry on touting your slogans, presumably you don’t want to know the reality. And the world is swelling with children and adults. It may be deciding it wants to abort some of us.

    • Vicky32 18.4

      That is why the self righteous squeal “I have the right to marry whoever I love!” misses the point.

      Seconded!

      • felix 18.4.1

        Really Vicky? So as a straight man I can’t get married unless I want to have children?

        Get the fuck out of my bedroom and don’t let the door smack your stupid bigoted arse on the way.

        • Tracey 18.4.1.1

          OR, don’t get married but still have children… oh wait…you can’t cos you are not married…

      • rosy 18.4.2

        So marriage for women over 50-ish is out of bounds? Good-oh.

    • aerobubble 18.5

      Lesbians have been having babies for millennium, and one partner dresses as a man. Only a dick would think it was unheard of.

  19. tracey 19

    Its scary to see what emerges when you scratch the surface of some folks. Franks comments are deeply offensive. He is entitled to his opinion but not to media time. If maori were compared to dogs we would hear from the race relations conciliator, and rightly so. My partner and I ARE IN OUR 22nd year. We are hard working, why should our worth be determineby words written by some folks invisible friend. When people hear voices they are medicated unless it is “god” they hear in which case my taxes will be used to help them to run a school! I deal with the fact that our society acknowldges and funds peoples right to have imaginary friends without insulting them until someone compares me to a dog. By all means believe in this imaginary friend but get funding for it?y isnt that the real travesty here?

    • mac1 20.1

      So, about three in ten marriages don’t make it to the silver 25th year anniversary. That’s interesting. I’d have thought more.

  20. Tracey 21

    Colin’s God would be quite disappointed with a 30% failure rate though.

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    1 day ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 day ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Contempt
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    2 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    2 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    3 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    3 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
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    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    4 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    6 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago

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