Sunflower | Oil

Written By: - Date published: 6:05 am, October 16th, 2022 - 81 comments
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Some kids threw soup on a famous painting, and lots of people were pissed off.

Some young Just Stop Oil climate activists staged an action to wake people the fuck up. Did they wake up? You choose.

The action is both wrong and right, understanding this matter, because it is also beyond that. I watched people working through the issues on twitter yesterday, and remembered how I was unsure about Extinction Rebellion’s similar attack on a Picasso last week. My head is saying some stuff about whether it’s helpful, my body, heart and soul is cheering them on. Listen to the power in that young woman’s voice, watch her hands shake.

Even if you disagree with the method, stand beside them, because they are willing to do what is necessary. These are scared young people stepping up, taking risks to their future, laying down a huge challenge, while most people are sitting on their hands and ignoring the climate crisis that is unfolding.

Micky wrote a post the other day about the latest development from the New Zealand government on climate, and the huge problems with the regressive positions of National and organisations like Federated Farmers: Climate change: I think that we are f&*ked

We’re only fucked if we believe that government/farmers/big business will lead. They won’t, they will follow. The people leading are those two young women throwing paint at art and gluing their hands to the wall. Or SS4C. Or the myriad of indigenous groups who have been working on climate for decades. Or the people who are already devastatingly affected by climate and choosing to act instead of despair. The climate NGOs and activists. The ones willing to put their bodies on the line. Those are the people who are leading the change.

Once the narrative changes, once people accept how bad things are but that we still have choices, then we will get the mass movement that will shift governments and the powers that be.

The great European art as a target for climate action. Destroying beauty is an act of self harm. On a level it’s wrong, but it’s also an act of power. It’s painful and challenging, and it may be one of the most important things we need.

If we condemn the apparent harming of a painting, how then do react to the destruction of a whole continent of rainforests? Read this if you dare, and then choose your response,

If you have found yourself picking a side for the Van Gogh and against those two women, that harming art is always wrong, then I’m going to ask you why you side with the painting and not the forest? How much difference does it make to understand that the painting isn’t harmed (it’s covered by a sheet of glass), but the forest is failing as we speak. Why are we arguing about the painting that isn’t even harmed, and why are we not doing everything we can to save the forest and ourselves?

Here’s what Just Stop Oil said,

Only Civil Resistance can get us out of this crisis — it’s time to step up and stand up for what’s right.

But why attack paintings? Why not go after oil execs or the banks?

This is my thinking, we need more of them. It’s not that these acts won’t be effective, it’s that there aren’t nearly enough of them. Yet.

Here’s something else to understand about this protest. The closer we get to climate collapse and not taking meaningful action, the more desperate people will become. The Van Gogh and Picasso actions will be mild in comparison. This isn’t about right/wrong, or fairness, it’s about the degree to which increasing numbers of people will feel they have to act.

Maybe the point here is that we think we still have choice about saving beautiful art. But all art will fall as the Amazon does, and this seems to the stuck point: we believe that we can survive without the forest. We can’t. From the above tweet,

… the Amazon is fast approaching a tipping point where it will cease to be a functioning rainforest, without which the world cannot avert dangerous global warming. If “we lose the Amazon, we lose that fight” against climate change, WWF chief executive Tanya Steele warned.

I’ve seen a lot of criticism of the action and the two young people, I have yet to see alternatives for acting now with the urgency and power needed. This isn’t to say breaking the painting is good, but maybe if more of us were on board people wouldn’t be this desperate.

There are of course a multitude of things we can do, all of us, right now, to effect change. We are by no means powerless. Take in the seriousness and terribleness of the situation, but don’t give up. Stand up and fight.

 

Front page image from Kt Shepherd: sunflower seedheads as mulch and habitat.

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  1. r0b 1
    16 October 2022 at 9:56 am

    They did no harm to the painting (which is protected by glass, which they knew). It was a brilliant protest.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/14/just-stop-oil-activists-throw-soup-at-van-goghs-sunflowers

    • Belladonna 1.1
      16 October 2022 at 10:09 am

      But is it?

      In terms of getting their names (and cause) in the papers, yes indeed.

      In terms of persuading anyone to support their cause (who isn't already doing so)? I don't see any evidence that they've achieved this.

      It's like the XR protesters in London – who are literally taking their lives in their hands – all they appear to be achieving is hardening opposition against them. They're not convincing any of the commuters whose lives are disrupted. They're not changing the attitudes of the people who have control over the levers of power.

      • weka 1.1.1
        16 October 2022 at 10:59 am

        this I think is the centrist/conservative view, born from a lack of understanding of how radical actions effects change.

        XR have had a huge impact on climate activism as well as shifting the mainstream discussion and awareness of the climate crisis. I know what it was like writing about climate before their first few years compared to now. There's way more MSM coverage, more people understand the urgency, and surveys show that in the UK 75% of people expect their lives to be negatively impacted by climate,

        In October 2021, three-quarters (75%) of adults in Great Britain said they were either very or somewhat worried about the impact of climate change, while around one-fifth (19%) were neither worried nor unworried. These findings from the Office for National Statistics’ (ONS’) Opinions and Lifestyle Survey (OPN) for Great Britain are similar to results from the Department of Business Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) Public Attitudes Tracker (319.5KB), which surveys UK households. In Winter 2021, 85% of people said they were concerned to some degree about climate change.

        NZ surveys show similar. That number is increasing.

        They're not changing the attitudes of the people who have control over the levers of power.

        Yes, they are. You think Ardern got to her nuclear free moment out of the blue, that she just read some IPCC reports and reached a conclusion and had the political capital to speak out? Māori, XR in the UK, SS4C, NGOs, activists and the Greens all pulled NZ culture into a position that made it viable for their emerging leader to speak out. That is change. We've known about CC since the 70s, and it's been urgently understood since the 90s. Activists are forcing us to talk about it now.

        They're not changing the attitudes of the people who have control over the levers of power.

        Of course they are. MPs, staffers, councillors, and so on are all regular people too,, who have grand kids and who understand what is coming. This is true across society. What you are pointing to is the old guard who are basically a death cult and don't care if they kill the planet, they want to retain power and control. But they are by no means the only thing going on.

        All change happens from the edge and then the mainstream adopts what can be integrated.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 1.1.2
        16 October 2022 at 11:59 am

        They're not convincing any of the commuters whose lives are disrupted. They're not changing the attitudes of the people who have control over the levers of power.

        Such actions keep the existential threat of anthropogenic global warming, and how it will affect 'generation protest', in the mainstream media, and all on a relatively tight budget (soup and glue) – money (and effort) well spent, imho.

        So well done those activists for eliciting a few 'tut-tuts' and fueling debate about what sort of protest actions are effective and/or acceptable, as well as keeping the heat on 'pro-status quo' types who are reluctant to share the levers of power.

        One of the activists, 21-year-old Phoebe Plummer from London, said in front of the painting: "What is worth more, art or life? Is it worth more than food? Worth more than justice?"

        Food for thought. That activist has more hope for the future of this iteration of human civilisation than I do.

        The one thing we need more than hope is action. Once we start to act, hope is everywhere. So instead of looking for hope, look for action. Then, and only then, hope will come. – Thunberg

        So many ways to raise awareness – van Gogh soup is better than nothing, imho.

        The wave of demonstrations comes as the British government opens a new licensing round for North Sea oil and gas exploration, despite criticism from environmentalists and scientists who say the move undermines the country’s commitment to fighting climate change.
        https://foxtrending.com/world/canada/climate-protesters-throw-soup-on-van-goghs-sunflowers-in-london-gallery/

        • Belladonna 1.1.2.1
          16 October 2022 at 8:12 pm

          Presumably those protesters, environmentalists and scientists will be first on the line with voluntary electricity cuts when the power runs out – because renewable energy isn't able to provide 100% of power requirements. /sarc/

          The UK appears, from this – to be working consistently towards increased renewable energy. But it is not at the stage where you can just turn the oil tap off (and absent extensive investment in Nuclear power) it may never be there. Winter is the enemy of most alternative energy power (as COP26 found in Glasgow)

          https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/energy-explained/how-much-uks-energy-renewable

          Clearly, it is not (and presumably never will be) quickly enough for the protesters – who have yet to articulate an effective alternative strategy.

          "Just stop oil" (the group behind the 'Van Gogh soup') current demands have now switched to include basic energy for all (seemingly ignoring the basic conflict of that statement with their 'ban oil' message)

          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/15/it-was-terrifying-stop-oil-activists-on-the-new-battle-against-fossil-fuel

          • weka 1.1.2.1.1
            16 October 2022 at 8:51 pm

            Oh, I just realised you have a form of climate denial. It's not about being enough for the protestors, it's about what the science says we need to do.

            I'm going to assume you're not part of the death cult that says 'it's too hard to change, therefore we will live good lives until collapse and not worry about those that come after use'

            However the position that 'it's not that bad so we don't have to take drastic action, and we shouldn't take drastic action because there's no need and it will harm people' is denial of the seriousness of the crisis.

            What this position does is say 'let's change at the rate that people and society can handle' irrespective of whether that will work or not. The point isn't to transition to renewables, it's to avoid climate catastrophe in whatever way we can.

            If transition takes 30 years and we don't drop GHGs fast enough, then climate will collapse cov. Either one understands that last sentence and acts for life, or one is in denial that it's that bad.

            Not to worry, I think a lot of people are broadly in this position. Accepting that CC is real, but not ready to accept just how bad it already is.

            • Belladonna 1.1.2.1.1.1
              16 October 2022 at 9:03 pm

              Well, based on that criteria, the "Just stop oil" protesters also have the same climate denial.

              If they are demanding "basic energy for all" – when they know that much of that energy comes from fossil fuels – they they are just as complicit as the rest of us.

              If we don't handle change at the pace that society can cope with – we'll have social breakdown, with all of the consequent harm coming from a failed state. I don't, myself, see that as a better solution than a state failed due to climate change.

              And, none of this has any impact on the major drivers of climate change – the big emitters: primarily China – which is *increasing* carbon emissions – while other countries are decreasing them.
              https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

              Whether or not Britain allows permits for oil exploration, matters not a spit in the wind, when compared to China tripling emissions since 2000.

              • weka …
                16 October 2022 at 9:15 pm

                If they are demanding "basic energy for all" – when they know that much of that energy comes from fossil fuels – they they are just as complicit as the rest of us.

                Except they want us to transition now, whereas you are saying 'let's transition slowly even if it means society and the major ecosystems collapse'

                If we don't handle change at the pace that society can cope with – we'll have social breakdown, with all of the consequent harm coming from a failed state. I don't, myself, see that as a better solution than a state failed due to climate change.

                do you accept that we will have social breakdown from climate? When do you think that will happen?

                And, none of this has any impact on the major drivers of climate change – the big emitters: primarily China – which is *increasing* carbon emissions – while other countries are decreasing them.
                https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

                Whether or not Britain allows permits for oil exploration, matters not a spit in the wind, when compared to China tripling emissions since 2000.

                That's not even new denial, that's old, bog standard denial from the last decade. Everyone has to transition, it's a global crisis. If China transitioned and no-one else did, it wouldn't work. Why should China transition if the UK won't?

                • weka …
                  16 October 2022 at 9:21 pm

                  I will say though, that I think it's good that you and others lay out your positions like this. Better that we all know where we stand.

                • Belladonna …
                  16 October 2022 at 9:33 pm

                  Except they want us to transition now,

                  But do they? The only policy on their website is about preventing licenses for exploration (which has nothing to do with the oil being pumped today)

                  https://juststopoil.org/

                  They only hint at 'act now' is this:

                  Let’s get on with ending our reliance on fossil fuels completely: by powering ahead with renewables and cutting energy demand; by insulating Britain and rethinking how we travel; and by ensuring that no-one is left behind and everyone’s voice is heard.

                  But no actual policy on what the government should do differently. It's a list of pious hopes (and, even they don't believe the last one – the *last* thing they want is for the voices of people who don't support them to be heard).

                  UK *is* transitioning – emissions are dropping, and with plans in already in place to accelerate the drop.
                  China is *not* transitioning, and in fact is continuing to increase emissions.

                  If you are arguing that we're in a climate crisis now – then China – with plans in place to continue to accelerate carbon emissions to 2030 – and then slightly reduce (to 2020 levels) by 2040 – is the elephant in the room.

                  We may indeed have social breakdown from climate change. We will be worse off, if we have social breakdown earlier, due to attempts to change more quickly than our social fabric can tolerate.

                  • arkie …
                    16 October 2022 at 9:38 pm

                    China’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions fell by a record 8% in the second quarter of 2022, a 230m tonne (MtCO2) reduction that is the largest in at least a decade.

                    The new analysis for Carbon Brief, based on official figures and commercial data, shows China’s emissions have now fallen year-on-year for four consecutive quarters, extending what was already the longest sustained decline in recent history.

                    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-fall-by-record-8-in-second-quarter-of-2022/

                    • Belladonna …
                      16 October 2022 at 10:12 pm

                      Yes indeed, the vast majority of it due to the Covid lockdowns and the downstream effects on industry and the economic crisis.

                      The article doesn't claim that this is a downward trend. And, indeed, cites climate responses (drought, heat waves), as well as resilience in the electricity grid, as drivers for increasing coal-fired power generation.

                      "The amount of new coal power projects given government permits in the first six months of the year reached 21GW, the largest amount since 2016."

                      On top of plans for new coal power capacity, there has also been an increase in announcements of new coal-based steelmaking capacity, compared with the level seen in the past two years.

              • arkie …
                16 October 2022 at 9:20 pm

                The report found that more than half of global industrial emissions since 1988 – the year the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established – can be traced to just 25 corporate and state-owned entities. The scale of historical emissions associated with these fossil fuel producers is large enough to have contributed significantly to climate change, according to the report.

                ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron are identified as among the highest emitting investor-owned companies since 1988. If fossil fuels continue to be extracted at the same rate over the next 28 years as they were between 1988 and 2017, says the report, global average temperatures would be on course to rise by 4C by the end of the century. This is likely to have catastrophic consequences including substantial species extinction and global food scarcity risks.

                https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

                Fossil fuels are the source of the majority of emissions as the above report shows.

                Climate change is a global issue, and in our globalised system of manufacturing a lot of the production of consumer goods have been outsourced to China (to increase profits). This allows other countries to lower their emissions and then they can blame China for the emissions created during construction of the products of western companies.

          • Drowsy M. Kram 1.1.2.1.2
            16 October 2022 at 8:54 pm

            Presumably those protesters, environmentalists and scientists will be first on the line with voluntary electricity cuts when the power runs out – because renewable energy isn't able to provide 100% of power requirements. /sarc/

            Someone will have to be first – why not a protester, environmentalist and/or scientist? It's simply a matter of facing our probable future – like it or not.

            Clearly, it is not (and presumably never will be) quickly enough for the protesters – who have yet to articulate an effective alternative strategy.

            If it's quickly enough for you then that's super. Unlike these activists, I'm too old for quickly/slowly to matter much, although I do have a preference.

            The protest action chosen by the pair of activists covered in weka's OP won't be everyone's cup of tea, but isn't that rather the point? From your 2nd link:

            But at St George’s Circus, not everyone was critical. Many passersby thanked the protesters for the action they were taking. Mary, 56, was stood to one side of one blockade, watching the police search protesters’ bags, said she was glad to see the protest in her neighbourhood.

            “Brilliant location: high profile, zone 1, one of the most polluted parts of London as well,” she said. “Working-class families need to be made aware of what is happening with fossil fuels, because we inhale this day to day.

            “Anything that raises awareness is important, so I’m happy to see this here today.”

            I'm with Mary. Keep up your good work activists, while you can.

    • weka 1.2
      16 October 2022 at 11:05 am

      nice one r0b.

  2. Ad 2
    16 October 2022 at 10:06 am

    For the last week Wellington has had direct protests on Wellington's main motorways, which have been in our headlines. There were 5 people.

    A year ago the previous major protest about the climate was the highly coordinated Howl Of A Protest which was well signalled in advance, highly televisual, lasted for days, brought cities to a standstill, and had an original concept. They are on track to bring the government down and replace it with something they want.

    The right is teaching us something useful.

    • arkie 2.1
      16 October 2022 at 10:10 am

      The right is teaching us something useful.

      That those who aren’t immediately dependent on the income of waged labour are more able to devote themselves to organising in their own collective interest?

      • weka 2.1.1
        16 October 2022 at 11:01 am

        how would you explain the large number of well of liberals/progressive in NZ?

        • arkie 2.1.1.1
          16 October 2022 at 11:38 am

          An explanation could be that anyone serious about improving our society and the planet recognises that progressive solutions are the most practical politically available?

          However large-scale direct action, like being able to organise a performance equivalent to the protests Ad is referencing, involves many additional things other than the time and money; a sympathetic media and political parties, etc. etc. Climate activists are at a disadvantage in all these respects.

          My point being that there is a natural alliance between climate activism and anti-capitalist activism so it is unsurprising that a pro-capitalist, anti-climate action grouping were able to be more visible in their protests.

    • weka 2.2
      16 October 2022 at 11:01 am

      agree. I'm still pissed that it was an anti-mandate protest that occupied parliament grounds for three weeks instead of climate/eco activists. This is why I support those two young women, they are doing something.

      • arkie 2.2.1
        16 October 2022 at 11:54 am

        I support them because previous protests at the adjoining National Portrait Gallery convinced that gallery to end their 30 year association with BP.
        Direct action works:

        Energy giant BP’s sponsorship of the National Portrait Gallery is to end, following years of protests against the funding.

        BP has backed the gallery’s prestigious portrait prize for more than 30 years.

        In 2019, past winners were among the artists who called on the gallery to cut ties with the firm, and protesters covered themselves in oil at the venue.

        Pressure group Culture Unstained called the news “a major win for the campaign against fossil fuel sponsorship”.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60476760

        • Belladonna 2.2.1.1
          16 October 2022 at 7:41 pm

          However, it looks as though it will be a major loss for the artists involved in what was the pre-eminent international portraiture award.

          From your quoted link:

          "It's not clear how the competition will be funded in the future, with arts organisations and corporations tightening their belts due to the pandemic."

          Given that it's been suspended for 2021 & 2022 because of a rebuild (I expect, also because of Covid) – and now with the economic crisis – it seems most likely that the Award will simply slip into history.

          Not that the protesters care. After all, what does art matter…

          • Incognito 2.2.1.1.1
            16 October 2022 at 8:06 pm

            Not that the protesters care. After all, what does art matter…

            And you know that because …???

            https://cultureunstained.org/

            Tainted money is better than less money, right? After all, it is pretty legal, isn’t it?

            Neoliberal self-righteousness is the worst form there is.

            • Poission 2.2.1.1.1.1
              16 October 2022 at 8:16 pm

              Just Oil and ER are funded by tainted oil of the worst kind,by the entitled heirs of Getty and Rockefeller.This let professional filming of the events,the conditions were though no unlawful act could be undertaken ( Significant requirement due to US legislation and Tort laws,the former coming with federal time the latter with life on skidrow)

              https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1581313000685727744?cxt=HHwWgMCjyfjy-fErAAAA

              • Incognito …
                16 October 2022 at 8:31 pm

                Another Faustian pact? Mercenaries for hire? A Western First-World variant of so-called Jihadi Brides? What else did they promise and had they been promised: unlimited sexual pleasures in the Afterlife? In other words, #theydidittoo?

                Anywho, what has this got to do with Culture Unstained?

                • Poission …
                  16 October 2022 at 8:46 pm

                  The protest involving the two children with learning disabilities was funded by foreign oil money,as all threads evolve to a point,which is part of the set of the post,whether it is a blind evolutionary wall is merely a matter of taste.

              • weka …
                16 October 2022 at 9:08 pm

                Shellenberger appears to be pro-fossil fuels to support civ. The line you are repeating here is a RW narrative designed to prevent transition.

                This from long time climate activist Cindy Baxter,

                https://twitter.com/cindybax/status/1581476217877733376

                https://twitter.com/pepperraccoon/status/1581477916189200384

                https://twitter.com/cindybax/status/1581493589439262720

                https://twitter.com/pepperraccoon/status/1581500313390895106

                https://twitter.com/cindybax/status/1581506705694695424

                • Poission …
                  16 October 2022 at 9:39 pm

                  Shellenberger was a proponent for keeping Nuclear in California,which Newcombe has now said is necessary to meet California peak load,

                  He is also correct in the problems caused by the German Greens in allowing Europe to be held to economic ransom by Russia,due to their desire to retain Russian FF rather then Nuclear,and the enhancement of biomass which still produce carbon,and yet gets carbon credits.

                  He does provide engineering solutions,which seems to be lacking with the likes of Baxter.

                  • weka …
                    17 October 2022 at 10:11 am

                    Sure, he has an anti-transition position and opposes the system change needed to prevent climate collapse.

                    He does provide engineering solutions,which seems to be lacking with the likes of Baxter.

                    She's not an engineer, why would she be providing engineering solutions? She was pointing to an obvious problem in the lines being run and her argument was coherent.

                    We can't engineer our way out of this crisis via BAU, although obviously engineering is a crucial part of transition.

                    • Poission …
                      17 October 2022 at 5:56 pm

                      Engineering solutions do provide an outcome for a sustained society,promoting the munting of an economy for what has essentially become eschatological reasons will not.

                      Sweden has essentially just broke ranks with Germany and the lowlands by implementing a policy for fossil free electricity,(removing renewable from the frame) which will include nuclear as well as wind solar and hydrogen.

                      They have removed themselves from the intergrated EU mandate by simplifying the code (and removing ambiguity) and also allowing the pricing to be controlled in Sweden not Germany,by removing increased (unbuilt )capacity in the interconnector until Germany lowers its prices,essentially like Norway they are not going to subsidize the Germans.

                      Here we are in deep financial trouble with the highest current account deficit (outside emerging markets), high fiscal spending,which is not generating export$$ to reduce our 1/2 trillion in overseas liabilities,rising interest rates,

                      Whilst our energy projects are doable,they have big price increases factored in at present,due to the poor thinking of the Gvt.

                  • pat …
                    17 October 2022 at 6:11 pm

                    "They have removed themselves from the intergrated EU mandate by simplifying the code (and removing ambiguity) and also allowing the pricing to be controlled in Sweden not Germany,by removing increased (unbuilt )capacity in the interconnector until Germany lowers its prices,essentially like Norway they are not going to subsidize the Germans."

                    Do you have a link?

            • Belladonna 2.2.1.1.1.2
              16 October 2022 at 8:20 pm

              I know that because the protesters have done nothing to enlist the support of the organizations which are funding them – to replace BP as funders for the Award.

              From the beginning, Just Stop Oil has also enjoyed substantial funding. As well as ongoing crowdfunding, Dale Vince, the millionaire founder of green energy company Ecotricity, said he gave them £10,000. Vast amounts more came from the US: the Climate Emergency Fund, a philanthropic fund set up by Aileen Getty, gave them “hundreds of thousands”, its director told the Guardian.

              https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/15/it-was-terrifying-stop-oil-activists-on-the-new-battle-against-fossil-fuel

              Getty would be an ideal sponsor. But activism is apparently more important than art.

              We all survive on 'tainted money' – capitalism is evil, after all /sarc/

              The benefit pay cheques that the majority of these protesters use for their day-to-day living – are directly funded by taxes on the evil corporations that they despise. If tainted money is good enough for the protesters, why should the artists despise it?

              • Incognito …
                16 October 2022 at 8:57 pm

                You are wrong because you are too lazy to check & think and prefer lazy stereotypes & generalisations and kneejerk reactions that you can type (i.e. copy & paste) quickly and post here on this forum masquerading as informed intelligent debate.

                https://cultureunstained.org/ethicalsponsorship/

                Capitalism is as evil as a doorknob. It is the self-righteous justification for actions & behaviour that have negative consequences, on balance, that one could label ‘evil’ if one really wants to drag this down to that simplistic level where no solutions can and will ever be found.

                The benefit pay cheques that the majority of these protesters use for their day-to-day living – are directly funded by taxes on the evil corporations that they despise. [my italics]

                You made all of that up, didn’t you?

                Getty would be an ideal sponsor. But activism is apparently more important than art.

                According to the tweet in Poission’s comment @ 2.2.1.1.1.1, Getty’s money is tainted too coming from “decadent heirs”, FFS.

                Activism is a means/medium, as is Art, and they can and do cross-over more often than you seem to realise; Vincent van Gogh knew this.

                • Belladonna …
                  16 October 2022 at 9:16 pm

                  Um – no. Benefit pay cheques come from taxes – which includes company taxes as well as, of course, the transactional taxes paid to (for example) fill your car up with petrol (as well as buying leather, milk and all the other products the activists despise)

                  https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-shopping/fuel-duty

                  Or does filtering it through the government magically wash the money clean?

                  If Getty money is sufficiently 'clean' for activists to accept – then, presumably, it's sufficiently 'clean' for artists.

                  Your link on 'ethical sponsorship' doesn't appear to give any examples of this actually happening. It's simply a hit list of organizations where they've succeeded in stopping sponsorship from 'tainted' sources.

                  • Incognito …
                    16 October 2022 at 9:43 pm

                    Thank you so much for your lesson on Tax and basic economics.

                    You asserted 2 things, among a few other minor distractions:

                    1) The benefit pay cheques that the majority of these protesters use for their day-to-day living

                    2) The benefit pay cheques … are directly funded by taxes on the evil corporations [my italics]

                    You did not back-up your 1st claim.

                    The 2nd claim is pertinent nonsense, of course, because there’s no direct line from one company paying tax to a beneficiary receiving a cheque. The absurdity is clear when one thinks this through; a single tax receipt can spoil the whole of the government coffers and make all recipients of government money/funding receiving tainted dirty contaminated money. Through the electronic global banking system, this spreads like a virtual virus to put billions of people in the same boat. Now that would be truly evil!

                    You didn’t look very hard, did you?

                    https://cultureunstained.org/examples-of-best-practice/

                    • Belladonna …
                      16 October 2022 at 9:58 pm

                      Having a policy on ethical sponsorship does not equal actually gaining any sponsorship.

                      Still not seeing any examples on your quoted website of these organizations successfully replacing 'tainted' sponsorship money with alternative sources.

                      Yep. Filtering tainted money through government hands magically cleans it. Just like inheriting money from tainted sources magically cleans it.

                      Given that (so far at least) I've not found any of the arrested protesters reported to be employed – and many of them have proudly stated that they've given up work or study to protest – it seems highly a reasonable assumption that their chief form of income will be a benefit.

                    • Incognito []
                      17 October 2022 at 9:00 am

                      There were plenty of examples listed, you just don’t want to see and accept it, which is called wilful denial.

                      For example, one is the Royal Court Theatre. If you go there, click on the following link, and scroll down to its corporate sponsors and supporters you’ll see examples you don’t want to see and know about.

                      https://royalcourttheatre.com/support-us/our-supporters/

                      So, you accept that there is no direct line as far as specific tax to individual benefit goes. Good.

                      Your assumptions about protestors being unemployed and therefore beneficiaries are no more than biased preconceptions and lazy stereotypes and remain unfounded. Sad.

                      When you assert things and confirm that you didn’t make them up you can expect to be asked to support your claims.

          • arkie 2.2.1.1.2
            16 October 2022 at 9:33 pm

            Art matters, for sure, but does the Art World? Artist's would much rather be able to just make work, with no need to appeal to the tastes(?) of exceedingly wealthy individuals who only see their art as yet another commodity to be hoarded:

            Billions of dollars of art changes hands every year with little or no public scrutiny. Buyers typically have no idea where the work they are purchasing is coming from. Sellers are similarly in the dark about where a work is going. And none of the purchasing requires the filing of paperwork that would allow regulators to easily track art sales or profits, a distinct difference from the way the government can review the transfer of other substantial assets, like stocks or real estate.

            …

            Still, there is no question the art market has exploded in value and scope from the sleepy days when its customs were created. Paintings routinely sell for $10 million, $20 million, often as much as the penthouses in which they hang. Though the profits from art sales are subject to the robust capital gains tax on luxury goods of 28 percent, the I.R.S.’s ability to track who is accurately reporting windfalls is something of a struggle. Even figuring out who sold what is a hurdle. Half the purchases are in private, not at public auction, so many prices never become public.

            Recent studies have projected substantial tax evasion by the richest Americans, which led to President Biden’s plan to boost audits. While there is no evidence of widespread cheating involving art, experts say it’s clear the secrecy of the market creates vulnerabilities for an enforcement system that rarely conducts audits and relies heavily on the willingness of collectors to make plain their profits.

            “The only ones who know,” said Khrista McCarden, a professor at Tulane Law School who specializes in the tax code, “are you, the art gallery and God.”

            https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/arts/design/money-laundering-art-market.html

            • Belladonna 2.2.1.1.2.1
              16 October 2022 at 10:23 pm

              Yeah, I have a problem with works of living artists being re-sold for vast sums, while the artists themselves don't benefit.

              Perhaps something like a copyright – where the artist gets a fixed percentage of each sale (and the original owner has to register the change in ownership, and price, or is liable to the tax dept for fraud).

              That's not a worked out policy – and I'm sure there are fish-hooks not covered – but it's the general idea.

              It's a bit different with older works. Pretty hard to justify a residual interest in a Degas or Van Gogh. Although, author's estates benefit from copyright for (I think) 70 years after death. Which seems like a useful yardstick.

              • arkie …
                16 October 2022 at 10:26 pm

                The UK already has such a law:

                Authors of original works of art are entitled to a royalty each time one of their works is resold through an art market professional.

                https://www.gov.uk/guidance/artists-resale-right

                Ours will be modelled after theirs and come into effect in 2024:

                Painters and other visual artists whose work is resold will get 5 per cent in royalties under a new scheme set up as part of the European Union (EU) and United Kingdom (UK) trade agreements.

                https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/arts-minister-carmel-sepuloni-visual-artists-to-get-resale-royalties-by-2024/YWEA74H7LWADHKBURB5CAW6V44/

                • Belladonna …
                  16 October 2022 at 10:33 pm

                  Excellent. Bring it on NZ!

                  Gosh, that’s an unanticipated benefit of the trade agreements.

                  But, why wait until 2024? It can’t be difficult legislation to write (I’m sure it will just be a copy of the UK one) – and is unlikely to be controversial in the House (or, at least, I would hope not!)

                  • Belladonna …
                    16 October 2022 at 10:44 pm

                    The, perhaps slightly controversial, bit might be:

                    It would be managed through a non-government, not-for-profit collection agency, which after initial establishment and operational costs would become self-sustaining through administration fees from the royalties set through regulation.

                    Why not through the existing IRD?

                    All 'commercial' (as in making a living out of selling art) artists must have an IRD number – and it would seem like a very straightforward exercise for the auction house to simply dispatch their 5% to them via the existing tax refund system.

                    The article doesn't make it clear how (or if) private sales will be covered by the legislation. If it is a copy of the British one, then probably not….. Pity. It's a big loophole.

              • Incognito …
                17 October 2022 at 9:21 am

                It is really tough to make a living as an artist, especially when young and unknown. Relatively few find work in their line of work, to start with. I feel for those young spirits who have passion and creativity in abundance but are crushed by disappointment and worse; the pandemic has given quite a few a killer blow.

                The following is just an indication of the ‘state of the art’:

                At the bottom of the list was creative arts, whose average graduate salary came in at $47,000.

                The lowest paid of these were performing artists, who had an estimated average income of $34,100.

                After graduation 59 per cent of people with performing arts degrees found employment in their industry.

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125587619/the-toppaying-industries-for-university-graduates

  3. Molly 3
    16 October 2022 at 10:07 am

    "I’ve seen a lot of criticism of the action and the two young people, I have yet to see alternatives for acting now with the urgency and power needed."

    Well, the simple answer is that this action is also not "acting with the urgency and power needed". It's performative frustration that not all have the same priorities as those doing the action. At least – it appears that assumption to be the case.

    The reality is – they are working amongst circles where everyone thinks the same, has the same knowledge base, and the same desire for transition – so everyone else becomes 'the other'.

    The other – must be – ignorant, irresponsible and wasteful. Why do they continue to do things like drive (perhaps in an EV) to get around? (they must be stopped), drink milk? (they must be shamed), look at art? (how wasteful of time and appreciation).

    What is the intention here – to bring people on board to the same view?

    Or to shame people?

    The performative nature of this (and other ill-advised target actions) puts people off – learning more, and entering discussions. In fact – where are community discussions and information sharing organised by such groups? Providing people with information and space to learn and understand takes much more time, and requires much more effort and engagement – but the change is more likely to be permanent and the impetus for political change will slowly grow.

    There is a bravery that comes from such actions. But it is a self-directed bravery, that makes such protestors feel like they are putting themselves on the line for their cause.

    The targets that would make such performances more valid – and useful in drawing positive attention to the urgency – would be directed at the decision makers and companies that have – and continue to – make decisions that prevent effective transition away from oil.

    I can recognise their commitment, but I don't believe they will have the outcomes they intend.

    • weka 3.1
      16 October 2022 at 11:03 am

      Well, the simple answer is that this action is also not "acting with the urgency and power needed". It's performative frustration that not all have the same priorities as those doing the action. At least – it appears that assumption to be the case.

      Why are you making those assumptions?

      What's the problem with performance? Political ctivism has a long tradition of this.

    • weka 3.2
      16 October 2022 at 11:13 am

      The reality is – they are working amongst circles where everyone thinks the same, has the same knowledge base, and the same desire for transition – so everyone else becomes 'the other'.

      The other – must be – ignorant, irresponsible and wasteful. Why do they continue to do things like drive (perhaps in an EV) to get around? (they must be stopped), drink milk? (they must be shamed), look at art? (how wasteful of time and appreciation).

      What is the intention here – to bring people on board to the same view?

      Or to shame people?

      She didn't say any of that though. She talked about the cost of living crisis and linked it to oil. They're an activist group focused on stopping oil extraction, which is a crucial and urgent aspect of transition.

      Dunno about shaming people, if people feel shame when confronted with the reality of the situation perhaps that's for them to work through. It's kind of like Pāhekā feeling shame when learning about NZ history.

      I didn't hear her say people were bad for looking at art or driving cars. They're talking about the industry.

      As for intention, I think you'd have to listen to JSO or the two women themselves. But change doesn't always come from calling people in. Sometimes laying down a challenge is necessary. Activists have been calling people in for decades, and we're just running out of time.

      I can guarantee that this post will get more reads and more replies than the ones I write about transition and proactive pathways. Imo, this is because while people know CC is a thing, few people are willing to make the kind of change necessary. Also imo, those that are fighting for the life of the planet and/or humans have a right then to act according to their conscience.

      What grinds my gears is that in all the criticisms of this action, I've yet to see any clear alternatives being presented. What I'm seeing is people objecting. I don't have a problem with the objections, and people need to work through those. I have a problem with the lack of plans or commitment to change in other ways, especially when negating the actions of others.

      • Molly 3.2.1
        16 October 2022 at 2:09 pm

        "What's the problem with performance? Political ctivism has a long tradition of this."

        Weka, I understand both why they do it, and why you admire it. I just don't, myself. And I am someone who has for a long time made submissions, on the priority of transitioning and live in a household where decision making is influenced by this awareness.

        I personally believe that the sustainable change in people's perspective and sense of urgency is unlikely to be formed in such a way. There may be people who are inspired to look further, and come away with a passion for change. Unfortunately, I think those numbers will be offset by those who use such actions to dismiss any discussion or thought.

        If – however – I am wrong, and such protests create change, then I will be very pleased to be wrong.

        Dunno about shaming people, if people feel shame when confronted with the reality of the situation perhaps that's for them to work through. It's kind of like Pāhekā feeling shame when learning about NZ history."

        That's another problem being created that's divisive in design

        "What grinds my gears is that in all the criticisms of this action, I've yet to see any clear alternatives being presented."

        I did actually mention a couple of other approaches:

        "In fact – where are community discussions and information sharing organised by such groups? Providing people with information and space to learn and understand takes much more time, and requires much more effort and engagement – but the change is more likely to be permanent and the impetus for political change will slowly grow."

        "The targets that would make such performances more valid – and useful in drawing positive attention to the urgency – would be directed at the decision makers and companies that have – and continue to – make decisions that prevent effective transition away from oil."

        Look, as I said above. I will welcome being wrong on the effectiveness of such protests. Whatever is said, they can protest however they like – I'm sure they are receiving responses from the public we are not privy to, which may be encouraging. I'm only posting my response to such actions and the reasons I recognise for that response.

        • RedLogix 3.2.1.1
          16 October 2022 at 7:03 pm

          weka's brand of activism would have us either reduce standards of living or populations (or both) – neither of which have anything much to do with improving climate outcomes.

          The clear alternative is that weka refuses to understand is that engineers everywhere are busy working toward improving energy efficiency and reducing carbon intensity. In reality there is only one pathway to zero (or even negative) carbon, but the green activists would sooner the planet die than pursue this.

          • Robert Guyton 3.2.1.1.1
            16 October 2022 at 7:13 pm

            Our way of life will change, or population already is reducing (so you taught us way back, RedLogix).

            Beaver away, engineers of the world, and while you're doing that, take head of what the likes of weka are saying to you!

            • Poission 3.2.1.1.1.1
              16 October 2022 at 7:28 pm

              The German and european way of life will change because they listed to the Greens,and traded E=mc2,for ch4,co2.Nox,SO2/4.

              The same amount of money spent replacing Nuc. with some solar,wind,but mostly gas and biomass,which are both carbon emitters is telling,as is the refusal from Sweden to share its investigation into Nordstream with Germany,citing intelligence reasons.

          • weka 3.2.1.1.2
            16 October 2022 at 8:59 pm

            Your first sentence is close but misses the opportunity to improve aspects of society in a powerdown transition, including sharing wealth more evenly.

            Your second paragraph tells an outright lie. I understand what engineers are doing. If I see you lying again about my beliefs and politics I will ban you from my posts.

            There's been a longstanding position on TS to not harass authors or make shit up about their arguments. For obvious reasons. You can make your points without misleading statements about what I think or what my motivations are. But I've had enough and you've had enough warnings.

  4. Incognito 4
    16 October 2022 at 11:31 am

    I’d like to think that Vincent himself would have approved.

  5. AB 5
    16 October 2022 at 11:45 am

    Yep – I get the analogy behind the protest. If you recoil in horror at great art being destroyed, why don't you do the same to a whole planet being wrecked?

    So I have no problem with these brave kids – wish I had as much courage.

    But really, we already know the answer to the question they are posing – "money". None of us makes a living from a painting hanging on a wall. All of us make a living and keep ourselves entertained by contributing to destroying the planet. Life without money is misery followed by death. Planetary destruction – well maybe it won't be that bad, maybe everyone's exaggerating, maybe NZ will be OK, maybe tech will save us, maybe we should get a great business guy like Luxon to sort it out for us?

    I don't see this political impasse being shifted or unstuck by attention-grabbing protests, that whatever the passion behind them, simply restate the obvious.

    • X Socialist 5.1
      16 October 2022 at 4:18 pm

      ''So I have no problem with these brave kids – wish I had as much courage.''

      Those brave kids are no better than ram raiders in Auckland. But unlike rammers they have an excuse for their actions. And they are better dressed. The damage these girls potentially could have caused (NZ145 million paintings worth) would be equivalent to 100 years plus of ram raiding. Maybe more.

      I think humanity needs an evolutionary jump in brain power and morality for things to change. Humanity isn't capable of such a jump at this moment. So protests and ram raids it is.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1.1
        16 October 2022 at 5:09 pm

        Extant societies won't adopt effective corrective measures voluntarily, so more inequality, fossil fuel exploration/use, “protests and ram raids it is.” If our politicians addressed the root causes in a bipartisan fashion, rather than beating each other up about symptoms, e.g. ram raids, then maybe – but, as you illustrate, it's hopeless.

        The very best we can expect is that Govts keep most citizens as comfy as possible for as long as possible while our overshoot civilisation collapses. Won't be pretty…

        https://www.footprintcalculator.org/home/en

        • X Socialist 5.1.1.1
          16 October 2022 at 5:33 pm

          Reading your comments a picture of a vey ill patient in bed, being observed by a doctor, comes to mind. The doctor pulls the blankets up a little towards the patients chest, puts a straw into the patients mouth for him to feebly suck one mouth full of water, pats him on the shoulder and gives a near imperceptible head shake towards the attending nurses. One nurse moves towards the end of the bed and attaches a sign that reads: ''Do not resuscitate!''

          Yes, it's not going to be pretty.

          • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1.1.1.1
            16 October 2022 at 5:53 pm

            Yes, it's not going to be pretty.

            As the OP shows. climate change activists continue to communicate the idea that it hasn't been OK for some time, and that it's getting less OK by the minute.

            Many moderately well off pro-status quo types cling desperately to the delusional notion that everything is and will be 'OK', while a few very well-off individuals are susceptible to the con that they can secure an alternatiove future.

            Apocalypse Wow: Inside the luxury doomsday bunkers designed to protect the global elite [5 Oct 2022]

      • Tony Veitch 5.1.2
        16 October 2022 at 5:21 pm

        So while we wait for this "evolutionary jump in brain power and morality" to occur, let's just sit back, shrug our collective shoulders, and watch the planet burn!

        Full marks to those young kids – showing us oldies how to effectively protest!

        • X Socialist 5.1.2.1
          16 October 2022 at 5:50 pm

          No, of course not. Do whatever you can. We all should. The problem is to save planet earth everyone must move in the same direction action wise. That is not possible at the moment because human kind is at different stages of evolution and understanding.

          Maybe our dying planet isn't dying, but renewing itself? Having grown tired of waiting for human remediation it's decided to force our evolutionary jump by giving humanity no choice but to evolve on the trot if we want to survive.

          I don't know, but either way as DMK says, ''it won't be pretty.''

  6. Robert Guyton 6
    16 October 2022 at 3:38 pm

    I think they should have thrown, glued and stayed mum.

  7. Maurice 7
    16 October 2022 at 4:04 pm

    Delicious!

    Heinz Tomato Soup …. factory processed; big farming produced; supermarket sourced …… OIL used at every step

  8. Stuart Munro 8
    16 October 2022 at 6:15 pm

    A harmless protest, and effective PR.

    But although the aims are positive, I'm not sure it meets the standards of effectiveness a good protest aims for.

    It is no easy thing to change hearts and minds – and more so, when major economic interests are lined up on the side of the status quo.

    The energy and creativity of the Yippies achieved such a change. It may be that some of their methods are due to be tried again.

  9. Robert Guyton 9
    16 October 2022 at 7:08 pm

    "I'm not sure it meets the standards of effectiveness a good protest aims for."

    And what might they be then and set by whom, I wonder?

    Youthful protest in the weeks, months, years to come might well be outside of those "standards" set by the protesters of yesterday-year (us) 🙂

  10. Robert Guyton 10
    16 October 2022 at 7:53 pm

    I see.

    So nothing like the message from the women who souped the painting.

    • Belladonna 10.1
      16 October 2022 at 8:23 pm

      Your only criteria for effectiveness was International attention.

      I was pointing out that there are plenty of messages gaining international attention.

      You might want to re-think your criteria.

      • Robert Guyton 10.1.1
        16 October 2022 at 8:45 pm

        I mentioned only one. Drawing attention to critical issues is another. These 2 women succeeded in doing that (here we are, on the other side of the world, discussing their actions and the issue they.want us to focus on). Trying to talk-down the effectiveness of their methods and the importance of the issue they are championing seems…churlish, to me.

        • Tony Veitch 10.1.1.1
          17 October 2022 at 5:43 am

          seems…churlish, to me.

          But ultimately what climate deniers (and they come in all shades of denial) do!

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  • Where on a Computer is the Operating System Generally Stored? Delving into the Digital Home of your ...
    The operating system (OS) is the heart and soul of a computer, orchestrating every action and interaction between hardware and software. But have you ever wondered where on a computer is the operating system generally stored? The answer lies in the intricate dance between hardware and software components, particularly within ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How Many Watts Does a Laptop Use? Understanding Power Consumption and Efficiency
    Laptops have become essential tools for work, entertainment, and communication, offering portability and functionality. However, with rising energy costs and growing environmental concerns, understanding a laptop’s power consumption is more important than ever. So, how many watts does a laptop use? The answer, unfortunately, isn’t straightforward. It depends on several ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How to Screen Record on a Dell Laptop A Guide to Capturing Your Screen with Ease
    Screen recording has become an essential tool for various purposes, such as creating tutorials, capturing gameplay footage, recording online meetings, or sharing information with others. Fortunately, Dell laptops offer several built-in and external options for screen recording, catering to different needs and preferences. This guide will explore various methods on ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How Much Does it Cost to Fix a Laptop Screen? Navigating Repair Options and Costs
    A cracked or damaged laptop screen can be a frustrating experience, impacting productivity and enjoyment. Fortunately, laptop screen repair is a common service offered by various repair shops and technicians. However, the cost of fixing a laptop screen can vary significantly depending on several factors. This article delves into the ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How Long Do Gaming Laptops Last? Demystifying Lifespan and Maximizing Longevity
    Gaming laptops represent a significant investment for passionate gamers, offering portability and powerful performance for immersive gaming experiences. However, a common concern among potential buyers is their lifespan. Unlike desktop PCs, which allow for easier component upgrades, gaming laptops have inherent limitations due to their compact and integrated design. This ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Climate Change: Turning the tide
    The annual inventory report of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions has been released, showing that gross emissions have dropped for the third year in a row, to 78.4 million tons: All-told gross emissions have decreased by over 6 million tons since the Zero Carbon Act was passed in 2019. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago

  • How to Unlock Your Computer A Comprehensive Guide to Regaining Access
    Experiencing a locked computer can be frustrating, especially when you need access to your files and applications urgently. The methods to unlock your computer will vary depending on the specific situation and the type of lock you encounter. This guide will explore various scenarios and provide step-by-step instructions on how ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Faxing from Your Computer A Modern Guide to Sending Documents Digitally
    While the world has largely transitioned to digital communication, faxing still holds relevance in certain industries and situations. Fortunately, gone are the days of bulky fax machines and dedicated phone lines. Today, you can easily send and receive faxes directly from your computer, offering a convenient and efficient way to ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Protecting Your Home Computer A Guide to Cyber Awareness
    In our increasingly digital world, home computers have become essential tools for work, communication, entertainment, and more. However, this increased reliance on technology also exposes us to various cyber threats. Understanding these threats and taking proactive steps to protect your home computer is crucial for safeguarding your personal information, finances, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Server-Based Computing Powering the Modern Digital Landscape
    In the ever-evolving world of technology, server-based computing has emerged as a cornerstone of modern digital infrastructure. This article delves into the concept of server-based computing, exploring its various forms, benefits, challenges, and its impact on the way we work and interact with technology. Understanding Server-Based Computing: At its core, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Vroom vroom go the big red trucks
    The absolute brass neck of this guy.We want more medical doctors, not more spin doctors, Luxon was saying a couple of weeks ago, and now we’re told the guy has seven salaried adults on TikTok duty. Sorry, doing social media. The absolute brass neck of it. The irony that the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 day ago

  • Jones finds $410,000 to help the government muscle in on a spat project
    Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 day ago

  • Again, hate crimes are not necessarily terrorism.
    Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 day ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
    Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    2 days ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
    It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    2 days ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
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    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
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    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Backbone, revisited
    The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
    Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
    Buzz from the Beehive Point  of Order first heard of the Oceans Secretariat in June 2021, when David Parker (remember him?) announced a multi-agency approach to protecting New Zealand’s marine ecosystems and fisheries. Parker (holding the Environment, and Oceans and Fisheries portfolios) broke the news at the annual Forest & ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Bryce Edwards writes  – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
    Citizen Science writes –  Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
    One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    5 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
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