The Centre, the Left and UK local elections

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1. ScottGN 1

   4 May 2018 at 12:43 pm

   Not a lot for Labour to get excited about so far…?
   • Bill 1.1

     4 May 2018 at 1:47 pm

     I think you may be mis-understanding.

     This isn’t about landslides or major up sets across the board.

     These local body elections might be usefully held up for comparison against the fortunes of centre left political parties who still cleave to Liberalism and that I’ve supplied some numbers for.
     • ScottGN 1.1.1

       4 May 2018 at 2:08 pm

       I don’t think I am mis-understanding.
       I see the BBC is reporting that Labour will hold onto Sheffield despite them losing seats in the wake of a row about tree-felling around the city.
       I’m not sure these very local elections (and it’s only England voting) are going to do much to bolster your argument.
       • Bill 1.1.1.1

         4 May 2018 at 6:08 pm

         As I’ve replied to Ad below. These local elections across a swathe of England (there should have been no reference to Wales out in the post) confirms the presence of a viable social democratic left in the UK.

         And think for a second on the endless negative headlines and stories that swirl around UK Labour – from charges of being antisemitic to being Russian stooges or ‘in bed’ with terrorism, to weak, incapable and indecisive …day after week after month.

         And yet…
2. Tony Veitch (not etc) 2

   4 May 2018 at 1:29 pm

   Don’t you mean Gordon Brown, Bill?
   • Bill 2.1

     4 May 2018 at 1:43 pm

     heh – yup. Changed. No idea who was half in my mind at the time.
3. Ad 3

   4 May 2018 at 2:07 pm

   The decline of the hard left in Europe is only partially attributable to the successful rise of the monetarist right (and now ethnic right).

   That decline in support is as much a fault of the left itself.

   The twentieth-century left’s narrative of the progressive and redistributive state rested precariously upon the conceit that “we” – reformers, Socialists, Communists, radicals – had History on our side: that our projects, in the words of the late Bernard Williams, were “being cheered on by the universe.”

   We still see that tired old righteousness when the next minority human rights story rears into the media. There’s no coherence to any of it, just a set of emoji buttons to push.

   Today we – either hard or centre left – have no such reassuring story to tell. That narrative absence is the discursive decline of the broad left to replace the narrative of the previous century.

   Only 18 years ago we barely survived a century of hard left statist doctrines purporting with alarming confidence to tell us what the state should do to remind individuals – forcibly if necessary – that the state knows what is good for them.

   There is no returning to all of that. And there is no new plan either.

   Here in New Zealand, in what you describe as centrism, Labour is popular because it has got both the policy and leadership and narrative mix right. UK Labour should pop over and figure out why they should learn from the Antipodes, not vice versa.
   • Bill 3.1

     4 May 2018 at 2:26 pm

     NZ Labour took the “third way” baton from the UK and ran hard with it. (Clark’s government) They’re still running.

     Meanwhile, all across the western sphere, Liberalism is being rejected by the electorate. Sometimes that rejection has arguably been at the pain of making a self injurious choice.

     Any party traditionally associated with the left (accurately or otherwise) that hasn’t woken up to what’s going on, is getting hammered at the polls as soon as an alternative pops up.

     Those numbers for traditional centre left parties in the post aren’t made up Ad.

     And if you think left thought rests on the idea of a state, then you have a very warped or narrow idea of what left is.
     • Ad 3.1.1

       4 May 2018 at 5:19 pm

       I have a pretty consistent view of the left Bill; it’s the left’s failure of imagination since the decline of the Soviet Union that is more to blame as much as it is the rise of the different versions of the right. Nothing to do with your definitions of how “liberal” or “liberalism” is defined from half a world away.

       Corbyn has nothing to teach us. He should sit down at our feet as we tell him what political success looks like. Including how to win elections and change a country for good.

       The results from the UK local elections today show that Theresa May has emerged entirely unscathed, Corbyn has launched no great gamechanger, and any “radical” project on either left or right continues to fail in the UK.

       The lesson to learn is that your version of centrism is actually best.
       • Bill 3.1.1.1

         4 May 2018 at 5:58 pm

         There was no “gamechanger” envisaged Ad – just confirmation that the game has changed and that a Social Democratic iteration of “left” has been established UK wide (the SNP obviously only cover Scotland).

         Nothing by way of “radical” in any of it.

         The Soviet Union was a failure of imagination by far too many a very long time ago. And that lack persisted through generations. As I’ve recounted before, there were only very small parties of celebration when the people of the USSR broke their chains and left the dungeon. Most of those in ‘the west’ who had said they were “left” suddenly “went to ground” or discovered that, really, they had been supportive of capitalism all along and started singing its praises.

         Liberalism and Social Democracy are merely different caretaker systems for capitalism. But one prioritises people and general well-being to a degree, and puts “the market” on a leash – so, y’know, much less bowing to market dictates like “fiscal responsibility” for example.

         Day 17 will be along presently 🙂
         • Ad 3.1.1.1.1

           4 May 2018 at 6:31 pm

           We Social Democrats await that day. 😊
4. ScottGN 4

   4 May 2018 at 6:23 pm

   The Lib Dems seem to have had the best of it though of course they’re coming back from a low base. Corbyn and May have essentially checkmated each other. And neither looks like appealing to enough voters to ensure a General Election victory.
5. Pat 5

   4 May 2018 at 6:29 pm

   Polarisation is problematic….the centre may well be on the wane but the system is still neo-liberal….the first to take the plunge opens themselves up to martyrdom…unless of course its one of major economies that flips first.
6. SPC 6

   4 May 2018 at 6:55 pm

   In the UK, a Liberal Democrat Labour coalition is in the wings (shared position on Europe) and if they enact electoral reform the days of Tory government may well end.

   The LD would the appropriate place for Blairite faction to move towards or otherwise they form their own minor party with electoral reform.

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