The Dogs of War

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1. Ad 1

   31 January 2018 at 9:32 pm

   Not reasonable to compare North Korea to Bush and Iraq.
   The UN resolution violations from NorthKorea are over decades, and accelerating.

   I have no solutions and am not proposing war.

   Personally I am surprised Japan has been so restrained.
   • Anon 1.1

     31 January 2018 at 10:59 pm

     Japans military is constrained to local defense, they require the US military for any action at distance from their borders. Also, Japan is pretty close – in a conflict either side firing nukes would be a huge problem for them, so probably they’re just not insane.
     • Exkiwiforces 1.1.1

       1 February 2018 at 12:29 am

       Old Abe, is trying to change the Japanese Constitution to allow the Government to deploy combat troops overseas on deployment without the need of having a UN Mandate and even then its only for Non- Combat troops in a Non Combat role.

       But one could look at, if there was conflict on the Korean Peninsula then Japan could see this as a direct threat to its country with out the need to violate its constitution if the Nth Korea attack first, but it maybe a different story if Trump wacks the North first.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     31 January 2018 at 11:13 pm

     The UN resolution violations from NorthKorea are over decades, and accelerating.

     Possibly but were they even valid?

     Please note: Since the DPRK dropped out of the NPT the international community has no legal right to sanction them for developing nuclear weapons or nuclear power.

     The international community has no right to sanction them for developing missiles to defend themselves at all.
     • McFlock 1.2.1

       1 February 2018 at 12:12 am

       Nuclear missiles are an existential threat to every nation within range. Every nation with nuclear weapons is like being in a bar and pointing a gun at everyone around them. And yes, I include the yanks in that.

       As to NK specifically, I suspect it’ll go the way of Romania. Whether large powers sticking their fingers in will prolong it like in Syria (again including all large powers in that, including the US as well as Russia and Turkey), the pessimist in me says yes. So there will probably be a locally-used home-produced nuclear weapon.

       But who knows what the fucking yanks will do on a good day. I can see why China and Russia would be cool with a highly oppressive and slightly nutty buffer state, but the yanks? It’s whether some folks smell money, the military wants to prove they can actually win a war, the executive branch need a distraction or the folks who smell money a re campaign donors… Who knows? Trump might just press the red button if Fox over-egg it one morning.
       • Exkiwiforces 1.2.1.1

         1 February 2018 at 1:22 am

         Yep, when one looks at the bigger picture as this could really blow up in the Yanks face big time. As I see the China going to the aid of the Nth as China has said in the pass and of late that it will go to the aid of the Nth if the US and Allies attack first. Russia will make its move East at the Baltic States, Finland and possibly Sweden as old Putin wants to rebuild the old Russia Empire, while at the same time I can see China making a move on Taiwan and on the South China Sea to disrupt Taiwan’s, Sth Koreas and Japans Sea Lanes of Commination (SLOC) and this will have far greater effect on NZ’s trade to the greater Asian region. God only knows what the Middle East will do? Possibly Israel and the house of Saud might have a crack at Iran or the other way round? then that will be a real shit fight of a war.

         All because the China, Russia and Iran know that the Yanks and some degree her Allies can’t fight a two front war let alone a multi- front war. All 3 countries know the US, Western Nation and her Allies their Critical Vulnerabilities (CV’s), but some countries will do better than others as they still trained the old fashion way in Field craft, battle craft and bush craft skill sets etc than the Yanks do.

         Little old NZ will get suck into this whirlpool of a shit fight either way as a result of the lost decade in 90’s towards the NZDF and short terms politics of both Political Parties towards the NZDF, Foreign affairs and Trade Polices. A few chickens will start coming home to roost sooner or later starting with the NZDF or Foreign Affairs then Trade will follow in 3rd place and i’ll leave everyone else to work out what the 4th and 5th place getters will be.
       • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1.2

         1 February 2018 at 2:10 am

         Nuclear missiles are an existential threat to every nation within range.

         I didn’t say that they weren’t. I was pointing out that there’s no legal right to sanction the DPRK for developing or having them.
         • McFlock 1.2.1.2.1

           1 February 2018 at 12:35 pm

           Really? What law says countries must trade with DPRK?
2. Lloyd 2

   31 January 2018 at 11:47 pm

   I haven’t noticed the North Koreans building airbases on reclaimed islands in the South China Sea.
3. Stuart Munro 3

   1 February 2018 at 12:13 am

   Better on the whole to follow South Korea’s lead on the issue – they’re better informed, and they have the most to lose. They’ve said before that a unilateral US strike exceeds the behavior they will tolerate from an ally.
4. Jackel 4

   1 February 2018 at 3:07 am

   It’s all talk, I just can’t believe even the Americans would be this stupid.
   • Draco T Bastard 4.1

     1 February 2018 at 3:45 am

     Considering that they’ve been in almost constant war since their founding what makes you think that?
5. Wayne 5

   1 February 2018 at 11:43 am

   Notwithstanding the Trump rhetoric, the situation is not remotely like Iraq 2002.

   In my view there is almost zero chance of a major war over Korea. Ultimately the US will live with a North Korean bomb. Any negotiated deal will be about ICBM’s capable or reaching continental US. The North Koreans will abandon that goal if they got some advantage out of negotiations. After all a bomb that threatens South Korea, and more particularly Japan, is almost certainly is an effective deterrent against unilateral US military action.

   The military equation is not as nearly as favourable as Iraq 2002. North Korea would not collapse like Iraq. It would be a bloody fight and probably would not even succeed.

   In 1950 the Chinese intervened on the side of the North and pushed the US and allies back to the 38th parallel. The US can’t be sure that in extremis the Chinese might do the same again. The alternative of a “surgical” strike would almost certainly fail to deal with all the North Korean nuclear weapons. So poor options in either case.

   Trump’s rhetoric is all about getting North Korea to talk about the things that matter to the US, the ICBM’s. He might yet succeed on that.
   • Exkiwiforces 5.1

     1 February 2018 at 12:58 pm

     Actually Wayne, China has said publicly that if North Korea attacks the South they are on their own, but the flip side to that if the US and it’s Allies wack the North first then China will come to its Aid as every country has a right to self defence against any aggressor and has the right to call for help. There also the Chinese and North Korea self defence security treaty which I can’t recall its name, but was signed back in the 60’s in case if Nth Korea was attacked by the US and it’s Allies.
   • SPC 5.2

     1 February 2018 at 8:28 pm

     The North Koreans would only give up nuclear missiles (that could reach USA) when American forces leave South Korea (and the air defence missiles with them).

     This is their leverage.

     That leaves the North and South to turn the historic cease-fire into a peace arrangement.
6. Philg 6

   1 February 2018 at 3:26 pm

   Aren’t wars always started by false flags, and deceptions? The notion of ‘they started it’ makes as much sense as a front row brawl.
7. SPC 7

   1 February 2018 at 8:40 pm

   This is not about war it is about how the USA deals with something it cannot stop (North Korea getting the capacity to launch a nuclear strike on the USA).

   As China has vetoed a military strike on North Korea, there are only two outcomes.

   1. the USA withdraws its military from Korea (including the latest air defence missiles) and the North and South develop a permanent peace in place of the cease-fire. The China will love this option.

   2. the USA keeps its forces in South Korea, and deepens the presence of the latest air defence missiles there and in Japan. Sells more weapons to the neighbours of China (maybe Taiwan as well). The China will hate this option.

   Trump is begging for bi-partisanship because he wants to share the defeat with Congress.
8. Eco Maori 8

   1 February 2018 at 8:59 pm

   This war mongering is not just about North Korea’s nuclear weapons this is all about Donald trumps public ratings crashing in the USA and around the World. This idiot does not care who he destroys /The Worlds people /economiy. All he cares about is holding onto the unbelievable power that he wields over everyone on papatuanuku and avoid impeachment get a second term as president. What better way is there to rally the American people behind him than to start a war and who gives a shit about who they kill.The people that are backing Trumps WAR CRY have vested interest IE Northop Grumman/Lockheed Martin /Bae Systems /General Dynamics/Raytheon /Boeing to these organizations lives don’t matter one bit this is there God $$$$$€£¥₩ YOU see everyone on papatuanuku is a slave to the USA Except the 1%. USA biggest export is the green back we all have to use the US dollar to trade in export imports it’s obvious that every transaction a % is payed to have the privilege /forced to use the greenback.
   So all the USA has to do is print more dollars to boost it economic power this action diminishes the wealth of the rest of the World .P.S. I don’t think Trump has worked out how the reserve currencies work lol . I Say the rest of the country’s around the World has a obligation to tell America that we have had enough of this bullshit WAR everytime a US president want to boost his pockets or his public ratings full stop.

   https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlwenH0_kLvO6bbCRdjH1eERYGW7pBCgd
   Here’s Nomam Chomsky view on our futures reality

   12:21
   Noam Chomsky – The Most Dangerous Organization in Human History
   Chomsky’s Philosophy
   https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=38s&v=O34JM4Xdf3g&itct=CBQQpDAYAiITCNTF3POehNkCFSSNWAodHOII5jIGcmVsbWZ1SMeNtuiqsPuK5AE%3D

   Ana to kai
9. Eco Maori 9

   1 February 2018 at 9:11 pm

   This is interesting

   http://news.bitofnews.com/the-9-most-powerful-weapons-manufacturers-in-the-world/
10. Eco Maori 10

    1 February 2018 at 9:43 pm

    Do we really want to let America to imposes there society living standards on US THE REST OF THE WORLD. HERE A LINK TO SHAMELESS USA this is a eye opener watch episode 11 that’s what I tried to link to.

    https://putlockertv.se/watch/shameless-8.z1wow/2884nl

    Ka kite ano

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