The European Super League – a proposal that has united Britain

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1. Enough is Enough 1

   20 April 2021 at 9:29 am

   This won't happen.

   It's a power play but can't succeed due to the massive opposition from politicians, royalty, former players, managers, UEFA, the Premier League, FIFA, all other English clubs, and most importantly the fans.

   Two of the best European teams in Bayer Munich and PSG are keeping well clear of it meaning not all of Europe's elite are being over run by greed.
2. mickysavage 2

   20 April 2021 at 9:33 am

   Good post Nick.

   NZ Rugby selling part of the All Black franchise to US hedge fund Silver Lake also leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

   When you think about it something that was constructed and built up by communities has been privatised and is being made the bastion for the wealthy.

   This is wrong.
   • Adrian 2.1

     20 April 2021 at 10:37 am

     The Silver Lake deal is a shit deal, it grants SL 15% of AB income ad infinitum, a sum the the ABs would be able to bank on their own in 6 or 7 years. The supposed attraction is that SL would expand the income, but that must be at the cost of many more games, the even greater loss of players from provincial games and the huge cost to players health and well being. Soccer players play a lot more games but honestly it's a pretty soft-cock game with even a casual side-eye glance rendering the recipient incapable of even standing while writhing in mock pain in a performance befitting a Hollywood callup.
     • Phil 2.1.1

       20 April 2021 at 12:47 pm

       The Silver Lake deal (15% equity stake for $465m NZD) means they value the brand equity of the All Blacks at approximately $2.2b USD – in the same ballpark as Arsenal FC, not far behind Man City and Chelsea… that's a hilariously overpriced value and the NZRFU should be laughing all the way to the bank at how far over the odds Silverlake is paying.
     • Gosman 2.1.2

       20 April 2021 at 2:06 pm

       Or they could look to raise the value of the brand by doing things differently not necessarily more of the same.
   • Nic181 2.2

     20 April 2021 at 12:37 pm

     I agree wholeheartedly Mickey. To the extent that I will not watch the All Blacks play if it goes ahead, as I did during the 1981 Springbok tour. That occurred for political gain and backfired. Privatisation of the All Blacks is purely for economic gain but it has the same bad smell!!
     • millsy 2.2.1

       20 April 2021 at 2:10 pm

       One could argue the All Blacks were effectively privatised when NZRFU (as it was known then), sold their TV rights to New Corp, and 99% of rugby in this country was put behind a paywall.
       • Gosman 2.2.1.1

         20 April 2021 at 2:27 pm

         You could also argue the NZRFU found a way to pay their players so they all didn't leave for other teams or sports.
     • Gosman 2.2.2

       20 April 2021 at 2:26 pm

       Are you happy to see the players get paid to play for the All Blacks and do you want them to receive a competitive salary compared to if they played for club sides in the Northern hemisphere?
   • Gosman 2.3

     20 April 2021 at 2:03 pm

     Why is selling part of the All Black brand to a private equity company a bad thing?

     The alternative is that better funded club sides in the Northern Hemisphere raid the top talent of NZ Rugby and the Super Rugby NZ and All Blacks atrophy due to lack of top players.

     Would you prefer to see that?
     • DS 2.3.1

       20 April 2021 at 3:02 pm

       The NZRFU already gets around that via one simple policy.

       If you leave New Zealand to play overseas, you aren't eligible for All Black selection. A top rugby player is thus pissing away their All Black career if they go to England, France, or Japan, which is why it is something that people do at the end of their careers.

       Sure, it means that financially these players take a hit by staying in New Zealand, but for a top rugby player in this country, being an All Black outweighs that. Believe it or not, people are motivated by things other than money.
       • Gosman 2.3.1.1

         20 April 2021 at 3:13 pm

         That has only worked because the differential between NH and All Black salaries has not been massive. You only have to look at the situation in Australia and South Africa to realise that equation can change and then many of your top talent choose to go offshore.
         • DS 2.3.1.1.1

           20 April 2021 at 3:31 pm

           Wee difference… there is a cultural value attached to the All Blacks in New Zealand that does not hold with the Wallabies in Australia.

           Hell, if people were only motivated by money, why were people playing for the All Blacks at all during the amateur era, when they could easily switch to rugby league? Answer: because rugby union was this country's secular religion.
           • Phil 2.3.1.1.1.1

             20 April 2021 at 6:44 pm

             … if people were only motivated by money, why were people playing for the All Blacks at all during the amateur era, when they could easily switch to rugby league?

             An absolute fuck-ton of players switched from union to league in the 90's! Ridge, Ellis and Kirwan are three I can name off the top of my head, to say nothing of the fact that the professional game was enough of an attraction that entire domestic amateur networks underneath it in NZ and the Pacific Islands have swept rugby completely off the map for many communities.
             • In Vino …

               20 April 2021 at 9:01 pm

               Ridge, Ellis and Kirwan all went as their All Black time was finishing, just as current All Blacks leave for France, UK, or Japan as their time is running out.
               • Gosman …

                 21 April 2021 at 7:25 am

                 Matthew Ridge was in his early 20's when he switched and was being groomed by the All Black management to take over as the preferred Full Back from John Gallagher. The All Blacks sufferer immensely when both he and Gallagher went to Rugby League. The fact they had to rely on Kieran Crowley in the role for the 1991 World cup was one of the reasons the Wallabies were able to defeat them.
3. Pat 3

   20 April 2021 at 9:40 am

   Forget about politics and sport not mixing, (big) money should be kept out of sport….but its too late.
   • Gosman 3.1

     20 April 2021 at 2:04 pm

     You seem to want a return to the days of amateurism where players were denied the chance of making money from being a top sports person.
     • Pat 3.1.1

       20 April 2021 at 6:13 pm

       Pretty much…what good has making it a business done?
       • In Vino 3.1.1.1

         20 April 2021 at 9:03 pm

         And why should a mere sports-lover have social value? Panem et circenses…
       • Gosman 3.1.1.2

         21 April 2021 at 7:27 am

         It's allowed a lot of players from disadvantaged backgrounds to make a good living from their talent.
         • Pat 3.1.1.2.1

           21 April 2021 at 8:04 am

           Has it?…some perhaps, but at what cost? (and assume you are speaking in a NZ context)….only a handful at the very top make significant sums over an extended career (most are short and not greatly rewarded) and many of those appear to have both financial and life difficulties. The sporting bodies are perpetually broke and seeking further financial support and the grass roots are shrinking at an alarming rate….as is interest.
4. Peter 4

   20 April 2021 at 10:38 am

   The FA should simply cut the clubs free. "You want to play in other competitions for other money and masters? Go for it."
   • Sanctuary 4.1

     20 April 2021 at 3:29 pm

     The trouble is that is an empty threat. FIFA is hopelessly corrupt and will be easily brought off by this new break away competition, so it’ll just be the FA as the Europeans will fall into line soon enough.

     Look at Manchester United – it has over one billion followers world wide, and generated over 1.2 billion NZ in revenue in 2019. The "club" is now simply a giant corporate business that won't care if it loses a few million English fans in return for millions of new fans in the rest of the world – it wouldn't surprise if in 20 years the entire club is moved to Shanghai or Beijing.

     http://www.china.org.cn/sports/2019-09/25/content_75242413.htm
5. mpledger 5

   20 April 2021 at 11:23 am

   Have to edit the title…

   "The European Super League – a proposal that has united British Men"
6. Sanctuary 6

   20 April 2021 at 11:27 am

   For anyone who follows Novara Media and British football, the wonderful Ash Sarkar will be interviewing the trenchant Lawrence McKenna at 7am tomorrow morning NZ time live on Novara's youtube channel.

   I am guessing it will be great viewing.
   • Pierre 6.1

     22 April 2021 at 5:11 am

     That discussion available to watch here for other readers, and Ash Sarkar deserves the recommendation!

     Edit: link the Downstream show, not TyskySour
7. nzsage 7

   21 April 2021 at 3:17 pm

   Capitalist greed deserves such outrage, just a shame that outrage is focused on football alone and not on all aspects of life where such behaviour massively impacts ordinary people.

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