web analytics

The Greens & Dirty Politics

Written By: - Date published: 7:25 am, August 24th, 2014 - 20 comments
Categories: greens - Tags:

The NZ Herald poll made a certain amount of sense.  Sure they’ve probably over-estimated National’s current support as they always do (see DimPost’s poll work), but National down more than 5% and Labour not making traction in the wake of Dirty Politics shouldn’t be surprising.

The media script is as always: Labour do something wrong, Labour bad.  National do something wrong – terrible politicians.

We had Paddy Gower saying if someone looked at Labour’s emails we’d find the same thing, despite the fact that they don’t (nor indeed anyone but National) have anything like WhaleOil.  The Standard was breathlessly named, but anyone taking a cursory glance will see the difference.  No giving civil servants details out and having death threats for leaks they didn’t do for a start…

National’s defences of “Labour do it too” – even if they were untrue – wouldn’t have helped convert the vote to the red box.

And the Greens?  They were much more front-footing the issue.  Labour has difficulty going negative given they’ve chosen to focus on Vote Positive.  So a gap opens for the Greens and they took it, with their official complaints and media presence.

And with their never having been in government, guaranteeing they’ve not used such dirty tricks, their track record of “clean green”, not wanting to play dirty, and their having been in parliament long enough to not come across as completely naive – it’s no wonder they are more the recipients of National’s drop.

NZ First – with Winnie’s record of finding corruption when in opposition – will also gain, and probably a little for the Conservatives too.  Like in 2002 when Nicky Hager’s Seeds of Distrust dropped Labour’s support it didn’t go to National, but third parties.  Probably not ACT this time – they’re hardly the anti-corruption party now, nor United Future, as Dunne’s done.

Labour meanwhile have to try and get their Vote Positive through the crowded Dirty Politics media.

20 comments on “The Greens & Dirty Politics ”

  1. Jackal 1

    Although a few solid statements wouldn’t go amiss, I also think David Cunliffe should generally stay on topic and push Labour’s vote positive messaging. The next Prime Minister of New Zealand needs to show that he’s focused on policy, because Labour really does have a lot of great initiatives that many Kiwis are still unaware of.

    Perhaps Phil Goff and David Shearer are more suited to be criticizing the National party over their black-ops activity? Labour need to be careful however because many New Zealanders aren’t yet aware of the details and extent of John Key’s dirty politics.

    Strangely enough, National is trying to counter the Greens by saying they’ve already been in Government with Labour. Yesterday, Environment Minister Amy Adams even said it on The Nation. It’s a pity the MSM is allowing them to get away with such an obviously disingenuous narrative.

    • Colonial Viper 1.1

      I think you’re spot on. This is not the time for Labour to act and attack like the Opposition. It is time for Labour to act and lead – like the Government in waiting.

    • Chooky 1.2

      Jackel +100…Phil Goff is very effective in attack mode as is David Shearer…Goff is aggressive and to the point and outraged as he should be over the John Key’s misuse of the SIS to attack and undermine him ….Shearer has gravitas

      Labour should unhitch their attack dogs onto John Key and his black ops and let them off the leash

      (imo Goff and Shearer were not good as the Leaders of the Labour Party…. this is best left to Cunliffe with his clean positive policy brand image ….but they would be good exposing the Dirty Tricks of John Key’s NACT…and we need them!…NOW)

  2. Ad 2

    It’s vital that there’s a strong Green Party in parliament. But, just because they can get short term gain from attack politics, doesn’t mean they should.

    Greens have built a hard won reputation on being clean and green – cleanly playing the policy not the man, and green in their political innocence by not compromising.

    Selling that reputation for a 5 point bump makes great tactics with 4 weeks to go, but its the wrong call for the Green Party overall. What would Jeanette and Rod do?

    • @ ad..

      ..but there also comes a time when they must speak up..

      ..it is the current elephant in the room..

      ..silence is not an option..

      ..and issuing demurring tutt-tutts! is not playing ‘dirty politics’..

      ..it just confirms in voters’ minds that there is no way the greens wd engage in such low-rent behaviour…

      ..and that is a good thing..

      ..and as for yr final-question..hard to answer definitively..

      ..but i cd imagine rod donald letting-rip in a situation like this..

      ..he wouldn’t be going and offering john key a flower..

      ..wd he..?

    • Colonial Viper 2.2

      I think the Greens signage and now their TV ad have all been a bit off-key. As it were. Attacks messages against National are well and good – earlier in the year. Now they should be positioning themselves as the party bringing back clear, unambiguous, positive principles back to a NZ politics sullied by John Key.

      • Karen 2.2.1

        I think the Greens have made a serious mistake with their billboards and TV ad. Last election their billboards were outstanding, this election they are messy, hard to read, and the message is hard to understand at a glance. The TV ad is a a turnoff for many people.
        A Swedish friend said that the Greens in Sweden had their worst result ever when they used a dying seal on their billboards. While I don’t think the impact will be as great here, I think if the Greens had a poster like their 2011 one they would pick up more votes from the uncommitted voters.

        • cricklewood 2.2.1.1

          I’d agree with that previously the hoardings were striking with what i’d call aspirational imagery and messaging.
          This year the hoardings are far to busy to read especially when driving and the imagery is more negative. Definitely no where near as good as previous efforts…

          • AmaKiwi 2.2.1.1.1

            +1

            Busy pictures don’t work on busy roads. Both would be better off with two word signs: Vote Green, Vote Labour.

        • Molly 2.2.1.2

          Many people are concerned about the state of our waterways, and that has been confirmed in polls. I don’t know whether that will make a difference – how many Swedes were concerned about seals before the billboards? – but it is an image that has an immediate context.

          Given that the Greens have steadily grown their percentage in the polls, perhaps it is just a case that once people start voting Greens they are unlikely to shift parties. In that case, the change from aspirational might appeal to those who want to know exactly how things are going to improve. And they gently pick up part of another demographic.

    • Murray Olsen 2.3

      Dirty politics is when you throw shit at everything, not when you try to stop it being thrown. I salute the Greens for taking action on the probably criminal behaviour of the Key regime. Labour, on the other hand, is being too weak on this.

  3. Foreign Waka 3

    The National government will sacrifice all other income revenues such as tourism for those cows that pollute the environment at a rate that NZ will sit on a mountain of excrement in 20 years time. The amount of health issues, loss of other income etc will be dramatic and the farmers who perpetrate this as being OK are the very land gentry that is using the land as their way of getting rich at the expense of everybody else. The RMA is in place to protect that little bit that is left and is once more attacked by the same people who don’t give a damn about the majority that has to life with fecal and urine in the water ways.Why would they? They are just interested to export as much of the dairy as they can and that doesn’t need any other person in the population to be there.
    One of the sticking points is the cost of irrigation. It should be paid for by farmers in the same way as the little guy has to pay for drinking water via rates. To say that this is not the case is just another lie that is being perpetrated.
    It is so obvious who is running the affairs of this county that it will be an uphill battle to change the way the destruction path is being set. Environmentally and democratically.

  4. Dingbat 4

    The real winners from Dirty Politics will be NZ First as for disaffected National voters Labour or Green is a step too far. By voting NZ First they will send a message of their dissatisfaction at the behaviour of National politicians, staffers and bloggers but will enable their party to still lead a government supported by Winston.

    Of course this will not be ‘business as usual’ for National but they will remain clinging to power. The only way to stop this happening is for someone on the left to turn the light on to NZ First and expose their flaky set up. Of course this is unlikely because Labour and the Greens imagine they will get support from Winston post election and so they are unwilling to upset him. However, if NZ First receives over 5% of the vote, they will remain in opposition.

    • Foreign waka 4.1

      It is very clear that Mr Peters will stay independent and will give his vote issue by issue to the National government. At no point, ever(!) will he take sides with the greens and certainly not with with labor. He is by nature a blue rinse men and it is very very obvious to anybody who likes to look.
      Here is my prediction: Nat 45%, NZ First 5%, Conservative 2% and vola’ you know who will be in government.
      I am a green voter and would rather see the green Party having a large say in environmental impact issues. Similarity, I am all in favor for Labors policy of Capital gains tax in order to stem speculation. A small country like NZ would otherwise be left with derelict housing stock that needs to be raised to the ground and rebuild. All with – yes you guessed it – taxpayer money. The fraud that is going on is so obvious, that even the very young have cottoned on to it and don’t doubt for a minute that they know how and how much.
      All I can say is good luck and god defend NZ.

  5. crocodill 5

    So, let me get this straight, The Greens telling the truth about what has happened and when it happened and who was doing it is “negative”?

    I see.

    Fragile little pussy cats those Nats, huh? They’ll smear and dig dirt in ways that’d make your eyelids curl up, but factually describe what they’re doing and they cover their ears and shout negative? A vote for National is a vote for cowardice.

    So why would any Labour supporter say The Greens message is “negative”? Could it be regret and shame, knowing full well poverty increased under several of their watches, too? Tough, Labour, you had more than a few chances, at least have “the balls” (that was what Goff said, yeah?) to take your portion of the responsibility. People died as a result, and still are, you’re living it fat and large. Quit your privileged snivelling. It’s not good enough to offer one option, with the alternative being slow death, and then say people with no resources, support or power can “choose”.

    The supreme irony of the Greens message is that I couldn’t help feel that I was watching (except for the rivers and stream bit) an old Labour Party election ad. I hope that isn’t a warning about who’ll they’ll become.

  6. alwyn 6

    The Greens are the only one of the three biggest parties that have got better results after the release of this book. They might have done even better if Metiria had refrained from trying to make something out of her specious police complaints.
    In the June herald poll National were on 50.4%, Labour on 30.5% and Greens on 10.7%
    In the August poll, after the book came out, National were on 50.0%, Labour on 25.2% and the Greens on 13.7%.
    I’m not sure that Labour will be too happy with that. Perhaps they have become tarred with getting to close to the hackers.

  7. tricledrown 7

    It would really funny if the hacker turned our to be a National insider!

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      It’s very likely that National Party insiders are involved to some degree. BTW you used the term “the hacker” as if it were one person wholly responsible for getting Hagar the info. I think it may also be a small group maybe 2-3 people.

  8. Mike the Savage One 8

    Yes, the Greens have only to gain in this scenario, and that is hope for the left, as they deserve to get 15 or more percent of the vote. As for ACT:

    “Probably not ACT this time – they’re hardly the anti-corruption party now, nor United Future, as Dunne’s done.”

    Hah, yes, I saw a bit of their election campaign video, where Jamie Whyte and his partner walked on the huge farm land of ACT’s biggest donor.

    Those that know a bit about this, will have all proof that ACT is simply a party of mercenaries serving the interests of the rich and asset wealthy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Gibbs
    http://www.gibbsfarm.org.nz/about.php

    Jamie Whyte is nothing but a bought off puppet to serve his masters.

  9. tricledrown 9

    MikeTSO Gibbs claims all his artists are pro ACT winners I doubt even 1 of these artists would right wing let alone ACT
    The con artist gets conned by artists poetic justice their !

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Celebrating the Entry Into Force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons
    [Opening comments, welcome and thank you to Auckland University etc] It is a great pleasure to be here this afternoon to celebrate such an historic occasion - the entry into force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. This is a moment many feared would never come, but ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Supporting disabled people to stay connected
    The Government is providing $3 million in one-off seed funding to help disabled people around New Zealand stay connected and access support in their communities, Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni announced today. The funding will allow disability service providers to develop digital and community-based solutions over the next two ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Voluntary saliva testing offered to quarantine workers from Monday
    Border workers in quarantine facilities will be offered voluntary daily COVID-19 saliva tests in addition to their regular weekly testing, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. This additional option will be rolled out at the Jet Park Quarantine facility in Auckland starting on Monday 25 January, and then to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Next steps in firearms buy-back
    The next steps in the Government’s ambitious firearms reform programme to include a three-month buy-back have been announced by Police Minister Poto Williams today.  “The last buy-back and amnesty was unprecedented for New Zealand and was successful in collecting 60,297 firearms, modifying a further 5,630 firearms, and collecting 299,837 prohibited ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Public Housing Plan announced
    The Government has released its Public Housing Plan 2021-2024 which outlines the intention of where 8,000 additional public and transitional housing places announced in Budget 2020, will go. “The Government is committed to continuing its public house build programme at pace and scale. The extra 8,000 homes – 6000 public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Prime Minister congratulates President Joe Biden on his inauguration
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated President Joe Biden on his inauguration as the 46th President of the United States of America. “I look forward to building a close relationship with President Biden and working with him on issues that matter to both our countries,” Jacinda Ardern said. “New Zealand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Jobs for Nature funding will create training and employment opportunities
    A major investment to tackle wilding pines in Mt Richmond will create jobs and help protect the area’s unique ecosystems, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor says. The Mt Richmond Forest Park has unique ecosystems developed on mineral-rich geology, including taonga plant species found nowhere else in the country. “These special plant ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Pre-departure testing extended to all passengers to New Zealand
    To further protect New Zealand from COVID-19, the Government is extending pre-departure testing to all passengers to New Zealand except from Australia, Antarctica and most Pacific Islands, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “The change will come into force for all flights arriving in New Zealand after 11:59pm (NZT) on Monday ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Bay Cadets learn skills to protect environment
    Bay Conservation Cadets launched with first intake Supported with $3.5 million grant Part of $1.245b Jobs for Nature programme to accelerate recover from Covid Cadets will learn skills to protect and enhance environment Environment Minister David Parker today welcomed the first intake of cadets at the launch of the Bay ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Cook Islanders to resume travel to New Zealand
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Mark Brown have announced passengers from the Cook Islands can resume quarantine-free travel into New Zealand from 21 January, enabling access to essential services such as health. “Following confirmation of the Cook Islands’ COVID ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Supporting communities and landowners to grow employment opportunities
    Jobs for Nature funding is being made available to conservation groups and landowners to employ staff and contractors in a move aimed at boosting local biodiversity-focused projects, Conservation Minister Kiritapu Allan has announced. It is estimated some 400-plus jobs will be created with employment opportunities in ecology, restoration, trapping, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Border exception for some returning international tertiary students
    The Government has approved an exception class for 1000 international tertiary students, degree level and above, who began their study in New Zealand but were caught offshore when border restrictions began. The exception will allow students to return to New Zealand in stages from April 2021. “Our top priority continues ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Tiwai deal gives time for managed transition
    Today’s deal between Meridian and Rio Tinto for the Tiwai smelter to remain open another four years provides time for a managed transition for Southland. “The deal provides welcome certainty to the Southland community by protecting jobs and incomes as the region plans for the future. The Government is committed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New member for APEC Business Advisory Council
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has appointed Anna Curzon to the APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC). The leader of each APEC economy appoints three private sector representatives to ABAC. ABAC provides advice to leaders annually on business priorities. “ABAC helps ensure that APEC’s work programme is informed by business community perspectives ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt’s careful economic management recognised
    The Government’s prudent fiscal management and strong policy programme in the face of the COVID-19 global pandemic have been acknowledged by the credit rating agency Fitch. Fitch has today affirmed New Zealand’s local currency rating at AA+ with a stable outlook and foreign currency rating at AA with a positive ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Additional actions to keep COVID-19 out of NZ
    The Government is putting in place a suite of additional actions to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, including new emerging variants, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “Given the high rates of infection in many countries and evidence of the global spread of more transmissible variants, it’s clear that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 19 projects will clean up and protect waterways
    $36 million of Government funding alongside councils and others for 19 projects Investment will clean up and protect waterways and create local jobs Boots on the ground expected in Q2 of 2021 Funding part of the Jobs for Nature policy package A package of 19 projects will help clean up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Government acknowledges 175th anniversary of Battle of Ruapekapeka
    The commemoration of the 175th anniversary of the Battle of Ruapekapeka represents an opportunity for all New Zealanders to reflect on the role these conflicts have had in creating our modern nation, says Associate Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Kiri Allan. “The Battle at Te Ruapekapeka Pā, which took ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Better care for babies with tongue-tie
    Babies born with tongue-tie will be assessed and treated consistently under new guidelines released by the Ministry of Health, Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. Around 5% to 10% of babies are born with a tongue-tie, or ankyloglossia, in New Zealand each year. At least half can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago