The media in 2015

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1. Paul 1

   29 December 2015 at 12:46 pm

   10 steps to fascism.
   Naomi Wolff.

   8. Control the press

   Italy in the 1920s, Germany in the 30s, East Germany in the 50s, Czechoslovakia in the 60s, the Latin American dictatorships in the 70s, China in the 80s and 90s – all dictatorships and would-be dictators target newspapers and journalists. They threaten and harass them in more open societies that they are seeking to close, and they arrest them and worse in societies that have been closed already.

   You won’t have a shutdown of news in modern America – it is not possible. But you can have, as Frank Rich and Sidney Blumenthal have pointed out, a steady stream of lies polluting the news well. What you already have is a White House directing a stream of false information that is so relentless that it is increasingly hard to sort out truth from untruth. In a fascist system, it’s not the lies that count but the muddying. When citizens can’t tell real news from fake, they give up their demands for accountability bit by bit.

   http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSoyO8zuwCU

   Other steps include:

   1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy ( terrorism since 2001)
   3. Develop a thug caste ( Glucina, Slater, Hosking, Henry, Lusk. )
   4. Set up an internal surveillance system ( revealed to us by Snowden)
   5. Harass citizens’ groups (problem Gambling foundation….)
   7. Target key individuals ( Mike Joy, John Campbell, Nicky Hager….)
   9. Dissent equals treason ( “get some guts” over Iraq….)
   10. Suspend the rule of law ( Canterbury)

   Key is not a moderate.
   He represents an extreme right ideology.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.1

     29 December 2015 at 3:23 pm

     Key is not a moderate.
     He represents an extreme right ideology.

     QFT
     • Tautuhi 1.1.1

       30 December 2015 at 11:39 am

       Too much Natzi interference in the media?
     • Redbaiter 1.1.2

       30 December 2015 at 12:07 pm

       Key is not a moderate.
       He represents an extreme right ideology.

       Yeah, more people in govt, more debt, more expenditure, more even than Helen Clark.

       All the hallmarks of an extreme right wing zealot.

       FFS…!!
       • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2.1

         30 December 2015 at 12:20 pm

         Of course they are: no matter how much lip service you pay to small government, the inevitable result is always the opposite.

         What exactly was Jason Ede for again?

         Not to forget that centre-right governments the world over always need more prison guards and uniforms and willing hands to open and close the gates.
         • Redbaiter 1.1.2.1.1

           30 December 2015 at 12:40 pm

           Key has taken NZ and the Nats so far left there’s no real political argument any more.

           That is why current affairs/ political shows are dying out.

           There’s nothing to watch or listen to other than silly inter-socialist bickering.

           A complete lack of discussion on real policy.

           Notice what a boost Trump has given to US media, with debates drawing more viewers than ever before?

           Because Trump brings something new to the table.

           In NZ its the same old socialist mashed potatoes every night.

           You guys on the extreme left have, with John Key’s far left help, succeeded in closing down political debate to such an extent that NZ politics is now a complete and utter bore.

           Well done.
           • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2.1.1.1

             30 December 2015 at 12:49 pm

             Your lower lip is trembling. Whining noises emerge. Someone mentions the yawning credibility chasm that engulfs ‘small government’ advocates, you go all to pieces, and the result is that stream-of-consciousness waffle.

             Take some personal responsibility for a change. Your policy prescriptions achieve the exact opposite of the rhetoric that accompanies them. It’s never too late to admit it and apologise.
           • Kelly-Ned 1.1.2.1.1.2

             30 December 2015 at 2:22 pm

             Key? Left? Far left? Really? Yeh right!!
             I think you have lost you sense of direction!!
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               30 December 2015 at 2:36 pm

               Redbaiter affects an “extreme right” belief set, whereby Key must be a leftie because his government provides (after a fashion – mostly via flailing incompetence and corruption) some social services.
             • Redbaiter …

               30 December 2015 at 2:59 pm

               I think anyone saying that Key is far right really has a mental problem.

               I’ve already explained above how by means of the size of govt, expenditure and debt NZ is further left today than it ever was under Helen Clark.

               It is the opposite of what anyone far right would have done.

               If Key was far right he would have cut the public service numbers by at least 30%, reduced govt expenditure to at least 75% of what it was under Clark and been at least concerned with paying off NZ’s $100 billion worth of debt.

               He hasn’t done any of this. Because all he is is Helen Clark in a suit.

               He’s Barack Obama’s best golfing buddy for Chrissake.

               You need to read some of that old commie Erich Fromm, who said-

               “The fact that millions of people share the same vices does not make these vices virtues, the fact that they share so many errors does not make the errors to be truths, and the fact that millions of people share the same form of mental pathology does not make these people sane.”

               I repeat, it is insane to classify the champagne socialist John Key as “far right”. He is a weak and ineffective typically far left socialist leader interested only in his own ambitions.
               • ropata …

                 31 December 2015 at 1:15 am

                 Key isn’t libertarian right, he’s authoritarian right.
                 http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014

                 But compared with the corporate puppets running the US government, perhaps JK appears left to those who spend too much time watching Alex Jones
                 http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
               • Chris …

                 31 December 2015 at 12:09 pm

                 Key is further to the right than the most radical ACT party supporters. The difference is that he knows fast wholesale reform doesn’t work so it’s all by stealth, mostly via gradual but steady and deliberate shift in cultural values, shutting down dissent, dumbing down of citizens role in shaping political/cultural/economic direction etc. If Key could achieve this overnight he would.
           • Tautuhi 1.1.2.1.1.3

             30 December 2015 at 3:17 pm

             Red what are you smoking?
             • tc …

               31 December 2015 at 2:19 pm

               The usual shit designed to inflame and enrage….the handle says it all.
   • North 1.2

     30 December 2015 at 9:29 am

     The ‘muddying’ has become the ‘New Black’. Emblematic of that Hosking sighs and Henry snorts in belittling attack launched on those who demur. To demur on virtually any score is characterised on a scale from not-cool to risibly stupid to utterly outrageous. Forget the occasional sharp word directed Key’s way. That’s ‘balance’. Notionally, Key offers us the opiate of ‘a beer’ with his self-made fifty mill’. “Oh Wow ! I just know it’ll rub off !” Meanwhile dark shit is creeping.

     The methodology was always ready and waiting. Why else was Key ‘imported’ in the early 2000s ? Forget the false political provenance constructed to impart credibility making the rise explicable. 13 years old, thumping the state house kitchen table – “I’m gonna be prime minister one day”. Yeah right !

     No…..this gauche, characterless figure was brought here to do a job. To normalise surrender to the quintessential greed of those who own and direct corporatism. To make that the ‘New Black’.

     A very, very unhappy picture which once I’d never have believed. Seems patent now, sadly.
     • Paul 1.2.1

       30 December 2015 at 9:47 am

       Key is the front man for the extreme right, promoting the expansion of the neo-liberal ideology in New Zealand.
       • Tautuhi 1.2.1.1

         30 December 2015 at 11:46 am

         The sale of NZ Inc to corporate interests is almost complete we only have the housing stocks and farmland to go? Neo liberal economics and experiment has been very successful for the chosen few here in NZ who have been the primary beneficaries of State Asset Sales.

         However the majority of New Zealanders are oblivious to what has been going on, Winston Peters is the only politican who has stood his ground on this issue from day one. Are we a better country from the sale of State Assets – NO !!!
         • One Anonymous Bloke 1.2.1.1.1

           30 December 2015 at 12:23 pm

           There’s a very very obvious solution to that problem.
     • Invisiphilia 1.2.2

       30 December 2015 at 7:27 pm

       What a well constructed and poetic comment!
2. sabine 2

   29 December 2015 at 12:54 pm

   Don’t watch the shit box. Essentially that is the key. Don’t listen to radio, cause frankly the days of good music DJ’s are gone, and you might aswell just stream. If a movie is needed, there are dvd’s, downloads and the movie theaters.

   but the shit box? why would anyone turn it on?
   • Bill 2.1

     29 December 2015 at 2:25 pm

     All that’s fine and I basically agree with the sentiments and thoughts, but…and it’s quite a big ‘but’…when information is fragmented, non-descript and puerile, how do we ever get beyond this bullshit of no-one really knowing anything or understanding anything and of our unaccountable ‘masters’ getting away with selling soap as they stack up piles of very bad shit everywhere?

     At least when it was traditional for families to sit down to watch the 6 O’Clock snooze, there was a degree of, if not accountability for individual acts, then an on-going attempt to justify the wider political underpinnings and direction of society.

     Now, well…what a thoroughly fucked up state of affairs it is when ‘the powers that be’ don’t even really have to bother their heads with any vaguely informed propaganda. Could it be that the art of control has finally been honed and perfected through the roll-out of fragmented chaos and nonsense?
     • sabine 2.1.1

       29 December 2015 at 5:43 pm

       i think first needs to come the disconnection from the noise. I remember well the times when we all sat and watched the 8:00pm news at home and then would discuss the events shown.

       By allowing ourselfs some quiet time and a noise free environment, and maybe a book or two we can gather our thoughts and re-calibre our morals and our needs and our wants.
       As really this is what is out of whack, wants have replaced needs, and in order to get what we want we do away with morals, and then suddenly we get leader like Greed is Good Reagan, History won’t judge cause i am gonna be dead then Bush the second, she has a tantalising ponytail Key. And normally people would see them for what they are, and even if they did, its good, the tv says so, the radio says so heck even the internet said so, the video games say so, the end justifies the means. and winning is everything even if it costs the planet or the business or the country.

       So yeah, first step is to kill the shit box. Refuse to watch the garbage. there is always downloads, independent news and such online.

       The powers that are never bothered about appearances in the first place, the only thing now is that they are not hiding their contempt any more, but instead are preaching to their followers that it is ok to despise and vilify others, make fun of the disabled, ridicule and insult the beneficiary (even if that is family or elders) and so on and so on. It allows them to hide the fact that they are the only ones winning, but for some at least depending on the group that they are in they too can abuse and control. (And that is one reason i believe this current government is so glib about domestic violence…..its the biblical ownership of chattel belonging to the head of the household thing….)
       • Bill 2.1.1.1

         29 December 2015 at 6:34 pm

         Okay.

         So I killed the ‘shit box’ as you call it some years back. I take sweet fuck all to do with most msm beyond reading some UK newspapers to get a feel for what the latest crap is….what I mean by that is that I’m a kind of dispassionate observer of most of what they report. (Yes, I’ll try to drill into some stuff by searching this here net and applying whatever capacity for critical analysis I possess) Add to that my ‘world view’ or politics is mostly based on personal experience and just thinking things through, rather than being based on books or grand political theory.

         But most people, and not necessarily through choice, never had or will have the space or time that befell the likes of me – that allowed me to form or develop a reasonably independent and critical evaluation of the world.

         Most of us ‘receive’ our views or opinions and are then bound by our acceptance or reactive rejection of whatever is placed in front of us.

         So what’s the way forward when no-one has time and all that’s presented is smash? Is this going to be our lot….?

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxVNydFrBqc

         Or lecturers not going to Otago University because of some obviously bollocks ‘newsboard’ message (Yes, I read it and it really was obvious bullshit)

         http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/286418/police-receive-tips-on-otago-university-threat

         Or 1000 schools in Los Angeles being shut down for much the same bullshit reason?

         http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12052028/Los-Angeles-closes-all-schools-due-to-electronic-threat-live.html

         And we run and we run because….well, because we’ve a fucked capacity with which to evaluate the world because all we feed one another is shit and soap?
         • greywarshark 2.1.1.1.1

           29 December 2015 at 10:33 pm

           More shit than soap. Mud wrestling is equal or perhaps superior as a subject for the front page of a newspaper while the world is bombed into obscurity.
     • One Two 2.1.2

       29 December 2015 at 6:35 pm

       Could it be that the art of control has finally been honed and perfected through the roll-out of fragmented chaos and nonsense?

       Yes

       The techniques have been developed over an extended period of time and honed aggressively over the past 60 odd years

       Knighthoods to the likes of Crosby serve to substantiate the existence & perceived success of the operations waged against the human psyche
   • David H 2.2

     31 December 2015 at 10:47 am

     Well a 42″ is great for shooting things on. But watch actual Free to air tv? Only the kiddy shows for my 4.5 year old. They have taken off all morning shows and filled all channels up with infomercial crap from about 10 am. Great now all the children are home on holidays (Thank who/whatever it’s fine) So turn on the shit box ? yep to play movies for my son.
3. Paul 3

   29 December 2015 at 1:00 pm

   Shadows of Liberty

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SAUborWbPw
4. Paul 4

   29 December 2015 at 1:14 pm

   Our ‘impartial’ broadcasters have become mouthpieces of the elite
   George Monbiot

   ‘If you think the news is balanced, think again. Journalists who should challenge power are doing its dirty work.’

   ‘Those entrusted to challenge power are the loyalists of power. They rage against social media and people such as Russell Brand, without seeing that the popularity of alternatives is a response to their own failures: their failure to expose the claims of the haut monde, their failure to enlist a diversity of opinion, their failure to permit the audience to see that another world is possible. If even the public sector broadcasters parrot the talking points of the elite, what hope is there for informed democratic choice?’

   http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/20/broadcasters-mouthpieces-of-elite-balanced-news-journalists
5. Paul 5

   29 December 2015 at 1:18 pm

   John Pilger.

   ‘We all live in an information age – or so we tell each other as we caress our smart phones like rosary beads, heads down, checking, monitoring, tweeting. We’re wired; we’re on message; and the dominant theme of the message is ourselves. Identity is the zeitgeist. A lifetime ago in ‘Brave New World’, Aldous Huxley predicted this as the ultimate means of social control because it was voluntary, addictive and shrouded in illusions of personal freedom. Perhaps the truth is that we live not in an information age but a media age. Like the memory of Mandela, the media’s wondrous technology has been hijacked. From the BBC to CNN, the echo chamber is vast.’

   http://johnpilger.com/articles/is-media-just-another-word-for-control

   ‘Why has so much journalism succumbed to propaganda? Why are censorship and distortion standard practice? Why is the BBC so often a mouthpiece of rapacious power? Why do the New York Times and the Washington Post deceive their readers?

   Why are young journalists not taught to understand media agendas and to challenge the high claims and low purpose of fake objectivity? And why are they not taught that the essence of so much of what’s called the mainstream media is not information, but power?

   These are urgent questions. The world is facing the prospect of major war, perhaps nuclear war – with the United States clearly determined to isolate and provoke Russia and eventually China. This truth is being turned upside down and inside out by journalists, including those who promoted the lies that led to the bloodbath in Iraq in 2003.

   The times we live in are so dangerous and so distorted in public perception that propaganda is no longer, as Edward Bernays called it, an “invisible government”. It is the government. It rules directly without fear of contradiction and its principal aim is the conquest of us: our sense of the world, our ability to separate truth from lies.

   The information age is actually a media age. We have war by media; censorship by media; demonology by media; retribution by media; diversion by media – a surreal assembly line of obedient clichés and false assumptions.’

   http://johnpilger.com/articles/war-by-media-and-the-triumph-of-propaganda
   • RedLogix 5.1

     29 December 2015 at 5:25 pm

     – a surreal assembly line of obedient clichés and false assumptions.’

     Christ on a bike … Pilger can write.
6. Paul 6

   29 December 2015 at 1:29 pm

   Chris Hedges
   The Myth of the Free Press

   ‘The mass media blindly support the ideology of corporate capitalism. They laud and promote the myth of American democracy—even as we are stripped of civil liberties and money replaces the vote. They pay deference to the leaders on Wall Street and in Washington, no matter how perfidious their crimes. They slavishly venerate the military and law enforcement in the name of patriotism. They select the specialists and experts, almost always drawn from the centers of power, to interpret reality and explain policy. They usually rely on press releases, written by corporations, for their news. And they fill most of their news holes with celebrity gossip, lifestyle stories, sports and trivia. The role of the mass media is to entertain or to parrot official propaganda to the masses. The corporations, which own the press, hire journalists willing to be courtiers to the elites, and they promote them as celebrities. These journalistic courtiers, who can earn millions of dollars, are invited into the inner circles of power. ‘

   http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_myth_of_the_free_press_20141026
   • ropata 6.1

     31 December 2015 at 1:21 am

     Great links Paul, keep em coming
     • Paul 6.1.1

       31 December 2015 at 8:10 am

       Helps me remember there is still sanity in the world.
       • Paul 6.1.1.1

         31 December 2015 at 9:04 am

         This cartoon sums it up.
         http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2015/12/going-sane.html
7. Stuart Munro 7

   29 December 2015 at 1:30 pm

   I wonder how the Right would cope if the Left used Lusk’s playbook for a bit – incessant hyperaggressive fact free invective on everything right of centre. Might not be effective but very theraputic.
   • CR 7.1

     29 December 2015 at 4:20 pm

     The right would pull out a big-ass can of “Labour does it too” and forever refer back to the example, to justify their own nasty behaviour.

     Better to be true to ourselves and continue to rise above it.
     • mickysavage 7.1.1

       29 December 2015 at 5:14 pm

       Key did use the line that Labour did it too when talking about Dirty Politics. He did not care that it was not true …
8. NZJester 8

   29 December 2015 at 1:30 pm

   I guess the Brownshirts like Slater an co are becoming a liability to the National Socialist Party and their days are numbered.
9. thechangeling 9

   29 December 2015 at 1:39 pm

   Cunliffe’s speech was damn good. Wasn’t on the main stream TV news was it? It covered too much that was thought provoking and relevant rather than emotive, sensationalist or headline grabbing.
   • Hami Shearlie 9.1

     29 December 2015 at 4:05 pm

     Agreed, possibly the best political speech in 2015! Must have had many squirming from many parties!
     • Anne 9.1.1

       29 December 2015 at 4:48 pm

       And the saddest part… Cunliffe was subsequently demoted although I have no idea whether that speech contributed. I’m waiting for an opportunity to speak to someone who might be able to shed some light on that Caucus demotion.
       • RedLogix 9.1.1.1

         29 December 2015 at 4:56 pm

         Most interested as well Anne.

         This almost permanent wedging of the left in the country is all that keeps Key in power. It’s not an accident, it’s the result of careful political and media management by Key and his enormous team of minders.

         Whether the Labour caucus has been coerced into being complicit, or whether it’s been covertly co-opted is something I’ve often wondered about. Certainly the blatant right-wing panic over Cunliffe’s brief ascendancy can only be read as one big fat tell.
         • Anne 9.1.1.1.1

           29 December 2015 at 6:09 pm

           This almost permanent wedging of the left in the country is all that keeps Key in power. It’s not an accident, it’s the result of careful political and media management by Key and his enormous team of minders.

           Bang on! But the moment some of us dare to suggest such insidious machinations, we are accused of being deranged conspiracy theorists – sometimes from those who are also [supposedly] on the Left of the spectrum. And the more the supporting evidence piles up, the louder the screams of “conspiracy, conspiracy” become.
           • Sacha 9.1.1.1.1.1

             29 December 2015 at 7:11 pm

             We do not need conspiracy to explain ongoing political incompetence from Labour’s back office and caucus, sadly. Not as exciting an explanation but easier to solve when that party is ready.
             • Invisiphilia …

               30 December 2015 at 7:38 pm

               The problem as I see it is partly one of funding. The Labour Party won’t attract corporate money of course because they are for the workers and for more freedom of the press. under the Nats NZ has become the back yard playground of the US. There is no way in hell they will let an independent thinker such as Cunliffe lead the way.
         • tracey 9.1.1.1.2

           30 December 2015 at 11:52 am

           Agree 100%
         • Ad 9.1.1.1.3

           30 December 2015 at 8:22 pm

           Cunliffe’s comprehensive defeat (electorally, in activists, and in caucus) rules out any strong leftward shift in Labour or coalition for at least a decade.
           • Stuart Munro 9.1.1.1.3.1

             31 December 2015 at 1:39 am

             Meh – prior to Key the Gnats weren’t going anywhere for decades – but a few months later everything changed.

             Strong leftward shifts could readily come from:

             A global economic crisis

             Success of any kind by Corbyn, SNP, Trudeau, or Sanders.

             Disaffection – third termitis

             Decapitation – tragic loss of Gnat leadership to campylobacteriosis, leptospirosis, trichinellosis, scale rot, or the rage virus

             A public response to the naming of the Gnat equivalent of Hastur the Unspeakable

             Just to name a few
10. joe90 10

    29 December 2015 at 2:04 pm

    Sounds familiar.

    What these people so dear to us fail to understand is that Fox News is not only uninterested in being fair and balanced; it is also uninterested in being a reliable source of news. That’s because Fox News is playing a zero-sum political game in which every major news story is an opportunity to use their viewers as pawns to advance the power and agenda of the most extremist ideology of the Republican Party.

    http://www.autostraddle.com/this-is-how-fox-news-brainwashes-its-viewers-our-in-depth-investigation-of-the-propaganda-cycle-297107/
11. Ad 11

    29 December 2015 at 2:21 pm

    +100 mickey

    Ryan was on form there, and instructive for an Opposition.
12. BM 12

    29 December 2015 at 2:39 pm

    There is a policy vacuum because John Key has redefined what government is.

    Government is no longer politics, it’s management.

    Have a look at this picture of what is considered good management, John Key ticks most of these and it’s why he’s so successful.

    http://iforce.co.nz/i/w0cgn3qm.mo4.jpg
    • thechangeling 12.1

      29 December 2015 at 4:25 pm

      Except they’re all superficial ideas even more so the way Key extorts them.
    • Ad 12.2

      29 December 2015 at 4:42 pm

      Don’t be fooled.
      He’s achieved much, just more quietly.

      His policy secret is English.
      • BM 12.2.1

        29 December 2015 at 6:42 pm

        Best way to do it.
        Boil those frogs.
        • tracey 12.2.1.1

          30 December 2015 at 11:55 am

          Yes but again you showed you operate from a shallow position BM. There is no policy vacuum as you suggest just policies being enacted while using other issues as smokescreens to let them through largely unnoticed.

          So at 12 you say there is a policy vacuum and give your reasons or evidence and then at 12.2.1 you agree he has achieved much *but quietly). So there is not a policy vacuum
      • Stuart Munro 12.2.2

        29 December 2015 at 6:47 pm

        Yep – but none of it in the public interest or loyal to NZ.

        He’s a high performing traitor.
    • Pat 12.3

      29 December 2015 at 10:14 pm

      and management for the corporates, not the populace
    • North 12.4

      30 December 2015 at 10:18 am

      You may not realise it BM but your comment exemplifies the methodology designed to advance that always sought – normalisation of surrender by the many to the interests of the few. And Lo……you do it in faux technical, wise person standing back, terms. Further exemplification !
      • tracey 12.4.1

        30 December 2015 at 11:57 am

        I agree, BM is an archetypal example of a precise and orchestrated strategy of manipulation by this Government. That he doesn’t realise it is nothing to do with him being stupid or voting national but the result of a deliberate plan. Of course, it has been pointed out to him a few times and he continues, as is his choice. But he is the perfect absorber of propaganda
        • McGrath 12.4.1.1

          30 December 2015 at 2:56 pm

          That’s a bit of a call to suggest that National have undertaken some evil Machiavellian scheme to convert BM (and the public in general). What happened to simple ‘Freedom of Choice’ between the various political parties? To say otherwise insults the intelligence of the voters.
13. Tautuhi 13

    29 December 2015 at 5:37 pm

    MSM is absolute shite here in NZ, we are fed tripe on a daily basis, the Key cheerleaders in the Nanny Herald makes you wonder whether they are on the National Party Payroll, since Muldoon in the 70’s this country has been steered down the wrong path. However these politicans are put on pedestals by the media, critical investigative journalism is dead in NZ.
    • RedLogix 13.1

      29 December 2015 at 6:29 pm

      MSM is absolute shite here in NZ

      QFT

      The comparison with Australia is stark. Sure The Australian and The Herald Sun are awful rags, but at least there is real balance elsewhere.

      Frankly the sooner The Guardian, for all it’s faults, can be persuaded to take an interest in NZ the better.
14. bjmarsh1 14

    29 December 2015 at 7:09 pm

    Your pants were dropped when you said this : “While on the left we celebrated the fitting conclusion of the right’s attempt to manipulate the media for their benefit the basic fact is that overall the media has been damaged and is worse off because of what has happened. There has to be a better way.”
    You immediately showed your approach and political context.
    For the record, I consider that the Government should ask for a Royal Commissioner to investigate the political bias of the Main Stream Media in New Zealand as well as the syllabus of the academic institutions who train them so as to identify the extent of the infiltration of those institutions by socialist doctrine. The MSM enjoy some special privileges in law, but those privileges exist solely at the will of the people. It is timely for the majority of MSM journalists to understand they have gone too far, and reflect on the alternatives. The pursuit of truth, integrity, examination of the position of all sides in a controversial subject and down right honesty is needed from our “overseas owned” media. Think about it?
    • Anne 14.1

      29 December 2015 at 7:32 pm

      Do correct me if I have got the somewhat confusing comment wrong bjmarsh1, but are you trying to say that:

      Paul Henry,
      Mike Hosking,
      Paddy Gower,
      the JK fan club at the Herald in particular John Roughan
      Claire Trevitt
      Tracey Watkins
      Fran O’Sullivan
      to name just the better known.

      are a bunch of left wing socialists?
      • mickysavage 14.1.1

        29 December 2015 at 8:01 pm

        😀

        I had to let that comment through …
        • In Vino 14.1.1.1

          29 December 2015 at 10:56 pm

          Yes, excellent riposte to a comment of drivel.
          “Socialist doctrine infiltrating our institutions?” O di immortales! I think this guy must look under his bed every night for Reds. And imagine that he sees them.
      • North 14.1.2

        30 December 2015 at 10:50 am

        Oh Jesus. B… J.. Marsh1 – ‘something must be done about the infiltrating SOCIALISTS…..!’

        Another exemplification of the power of the methodology to which BM has fallen……delivery more tyrannical in pitch than BM’s though.

        You could swallow amendment of the Evidence Act could you BJ ? Detractors then bound to cough up all when dragged before Key’s Stasi ?
        • One Anonymous Bloke 14.1.2.1

          31 December 2015 at 7:45 am

          BJMarsh’s witch hunt is already in progress throughout the public sector. I have no doubt that the evidence act will need to be amended, where defunding the justice system doesn’t get the desired results.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 14.2

      30 December 2015 at 8:24 am

      Define ‘Socialist doctrine’.

      Your proposed Royal Commission would be a biased and pre-determined farce. This can easily be seen by the fact that its terms of reference are so constrained.

      Since I doubt your ability to ‘think about it’, I’ll simply note that Micky Savage’s opinion is backed by specific and easily verifiable examples, and yours: assertions and invective, which after all, is all you’ve got 😆
    • tracey 14.3

      30 December 2015 at 12:01 pm

      ” I consider that the Government should ask for a Royal Commissioner to investigate the political bias of the Main Stream Media in New Zealand as well as the syllabus of the academic institutions who train ”

      Please provide the kind of examples you would use to persuade Parliament to issue the enquiry.

      Like this one for example

      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/276812/more-scientists-complain-of-gagging

      oh, wait a minute…
      • One Anonymous Bloke 14.3.1

        30 December 2015 at 1:01 pm

        Criticising the government is Socialism. Presenting evidence that contradicts government messages is Socialism. Expecting ministers to be accountable is Socialism. Freedom of speech and assembly are Socialism.

        The rule of law is Socialism.
        • ropata 14.3.1.1

          31 December 2015 at 1:39 am

          whereas disinformation, exploitation, cronyism, and covert control of the levers of government are the hallmarks of Capitalism, especially the dirty version practiced in NZ since 1984
15. Incognito 15

    29 December 2015 at 11:07 pm

    ”Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past”

    This quote by George Orwell comes to (my) mind upon reading this post. National has made it more than an ‘innocent’ habit to blame Helen Clark and the previous Labour Governments for all sorts, even when they are blatantly and factually wrong. It is as if they are trying to rewrite History, i.e. “controlling the past”.

    National, John Key in particular, dominates (in) the MSM as well as (on) blogs but possibly less so (on) Twitter although it/he always seems to be the subject of conversation. John Key has something to say on almost anything, no matter how trivial it seems; this is mirrored by people like Paul Henry and Mike Hosking, for example, and they take up all air time (Michelle Boag?), suck up all oxygen (Michelle Boag?), and create a lot of noise (take your pick). In some way, this is akin “controlling the present”.

    While on Orwell, does anybody agree that many Ministers and the PM practice “doublethink” and “doublespeak”? Even John Key’s ‘moments of amnesia’ could be considered “doublethink”. This “doublethink” evidently extends to many who think John Key is the best that’s ever happened to NZ, to many journalists and others who work for MSM (the usual suspects), and to the well-known army of John Key sycophants and adorers (some of which do comment here on TS often in their usual and thus so predictable drive-by shooting style).

    Are these good examples:

    1) Making KDC and his “little henchmen” look like the bad guys and thereby exonerating National from everything presented in The Moment of Truth?

    2) Making Nicky Hager look like a criminal and thereby getting off DP scot-free?

    3) Accusing the Opposition of being supporters of rapists and thereby appearing to be doing the right thing regarding Kiwis (but not a single rapist!) detained on Christmas Island?
    • tracey 15.1

      30 December 2015 at 12:03 pm

      Clark pretty much dominated the media in her time as PM too.
      • Incognito 15.1.1

        30 December 2015 at 4:57 pm

        You could well be right although I don’t remember her being quite as omnipresent as John Key. I also don’t remember anything like the overwhelming and almost suffocating sycophantic support National and John Key are enjoying in the media though it could be that I have a selective memory.

        Many of the workings and machinations of the current National Government show similarities with the previous Labour-led ones, which is not really all that surprising. Just like there are many similarities between mice and elephants, in reference to a comment by fisiani yesterday.

        For some light reading on mice and elephants try How Much Elephant Is In That Mouse? and Mouse to elephant? Just wait 24 million generations.
        • Tracey 15.1.1.1

          30 December 2015 at 5:21 pm

          I dont recall her having sycophantic media support the whole time but as PM she got lots of air time and “go to” by media. She wasnt much on private radio stations but was at least once on radiosport.
        • Tracey 15.1.1.2

          30 December 2015 at 5:21 pm

          I dont recall her having sycophantic media support the whole time but as PM she got lots of air time and “go to” by media. She wasnt much on private radio stations but was at least once on radiosport.
    • Tautuhi 15.2

      30 December 2015 at 4:24 pm

      It will be a Crosby Textor brief chew up as much oxygen as possible and create diversions and distractions, I wonder whether Lynn Crosby will be knighted here in NZ as well as the UK.
      • Incognito 15.2.1

        30 December 2015 at 5:04 pm

        “Doubleknighted” is something possibly even Orwell hadn’t thought of, i.e. knighted for services not delivered to society and mankind. I like it!
16. Wainwright 16

    30 December 2015 at 12:24 am

    Great post but god it’s boring bashing on the Twitter types. Little did it in his conference speech too, diminished the power of everything he said around it.
    • ropata 16.1

      1 January 2016 at 10:53 pm

      twitter is the opposite of the MSM dinosaurs, it’s a stream of collective consciousness, and it makes traditional media look extremely stodgy
17. Whispering Kate 17

    30 December 2015 at 8:49 am

    Was watching Al jazeera this morning on TV, the terrible flooding in South America and York in the UK. A resident of York was telling a roving reporter that the city had been promised extra funds for flooding prevention and it had been insufficient. He said that Cameron the PM had been praising/boasting on TV how wonderful and efficient the troops were and the Government agencies – Police etc, at assisting in the rescue of citizens from their homes etc – but the PM had not been admitting they had been systematically undercutting funds towards future flooding and was not providing what was necessary – the citizen was saying that you never hear the truth from the Government and literally it was just hollow words people heard. The problem is world-wide with our information via MSM.

    Citizens will be bringing back the old printing presses and going underground with their news. Uprisings will be much harder to achieve by the disgruntled in our modern times as the crowd control mechanisms are too sophisticated and lethal. We’re all f…….. if you ask me. Its going to take someone very talented to tackle the right-wing control of the media in our times. Children are also being brain washed in schools right through to Uni level as well so I believe the rot has set in.
18. Smilin 18

    30 December 2015 at 9:59 am

    “The police raid on Nicky Hager reached an appropriate conclusion, at least for now, with Justice Clifford determining that the police behaviour was “fundamentally unlawful”. I expect there will be appeals but I predict that the basis of the decision should survive as the breach was too egregious.”
    As I read that the contention level from surmising how Key is over it I feel is something we should keep an I on as to how he will try to pervert the legality of the decision in the future .
    His govt has already eroded much of what we have in basic legal standards
    • Tautuhi 18.1

      30 December 2015 at 11:53 am

      Still haven’t heard anything on Jason Eade hacking the Labour Party website, does he still work in the Beehive with the National Party?
      • tracey 18.1.1

        30 December 2015 at 12:04 pm

        he resigned the friday before our last election…. but of course it wasn’t announced til Monday
19. kingslander 19

    30 December 2015 at 11:01 am

    shades of the nazis
    ;
    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
20. tc 20

    31 December 2015 at 2:27 pm

    RNZ is fixed already so great place to park Campbell, Forbes etc as they starve it of appearances and keep that lot away from the air anyways unless harmless out of cycle stuff.

    The shows that can damage them are fronted by friendly sorts like gluon and suze and in the big scheme it’s not impacts muddle NZ.

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