The web of deceit

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1. Saarbo 1

   1 August 2013 at 7:43 am

   At some stage the leash needs to released from Mr. Cunliffe. Now would be a good time I think.
   • North 1.1

     1 August 2013 at 8:15 am

     Saarbo – TINA !

     Had it happened months and months ago we wouldn’t be seeing RM’s latest figures.

     In parliament and generally ShonKey Python routinely behaves like a Kings College snot, strutting around a Middlemore without Otahuhu College right next door.

     ShonKey Python must constantly thank his lucky stars that it didn’t happen months and months ago.

     Sadly the longer it doesn’t happen the longer ShonKey Python has to corrupt the nation’s values, morals.
     • insider 1.1.1

       1 August 2013 at 12:57 pm

       That’s what was said months and months ago about the previous latest shock horror revelation that was apparantly the end of the earlier media honeymoon that would finally see the final realisation of the NZ public just what a hollow man Key is, which would be reflected in the polls over the next few months.

       Rinse and repeat.
   • Hami Shearlie 1.2

     1 August 2013 at 10:28 am

     +1
2. Galeandra 2

   1 August 2013 at 8:28 am

   Shearer still unconvincing- he seems not to have grasp of his material and momentarily ‘loses’ important points so that they are then delivered underwhelmingly. He cannot extemporise convincingly and is unlikely to improve in future.
   • vto 2.1

     1 August 2013 at 8:34 am

     Yep, its inbred and unable to change and everybody knows this.

     What a bunch of ostriches.

     It puts me way off pushing mine vote Labour’s way when the all of them stick their heads in the sand, or rather, they are willing to lose this next election to assure themselves of a place in the certainty of the following 2017 election. That sort of action is equal to the bullshit that Key’s lot get up to – personal ends ahead of the nations. Scum.

     It seems from the outside that the Greens are the sole bunch of people in Wellington with principles. That’s where I is heading…….

     2c
   • Colonial Viper 2.2

     1 August 2013 at 8:49 am

     Robertson does a much better job…if that counts for something. Once you put up picture boards, things must be getting serious 🙂

     After listening to Robertson again, he should NOT have gone with a laundry list of shit about Key, he should have stuck to the point around Key ordering data around the personal non-Parliamentary phones of Vance to be released.
     • Mary 2.2.1

       1 August 2013 at 11:04 am

       Robertson’s performance in the House yesterday looked woefully inadequate straight after watching Norman’s. Robertson didn’t look a leader at all.
   • Chooky 2.3

     1 August 2013 at 9:00 am

     @ Galeandra +1
   • wyndham 2.4

     1 August 2013 at 9:40 am

     Yes, Galeandra. You have described exactly a major flaw in Shearer’s delivery. Just when the flow of his argument becomes convincing, he seems to “lose it”, flounders and the whole momentum is lost. I despair of this man ever becoming competent in any verbal contest with Key. (And probably anyone else !)
     What is so frustrating is that the wealth of material currently available with which to attack Key is being wasted.
   • insider 2.5

     1 August 2013 at 1:04 pm

     You can hardly blame shearer for looking unprepared when his policy people get him to launch policies like “$300k family homes in Auckland” that turn out to be one bedroomed apartments, and foreigner unfriendly house buying rules that hadn’t even considered that half the foreigners it was supposed to exclude can’t be excluded, and electricity policies that his right hand man had dismissed a few years before.

     He is fronting ill thought through positions and people are noticing, hence the poll results. Garbage in, garbage out. What else do you expect.

     Note that I doubt putting an ex journalist in charge will fix that. too much risk of kneejerk responses and more veneer policies with fatal flaws.
   • David H 2.6

     2 August 2013 at 8:33 am

     Watching these 3 clips, I cringed when Shearer started, and he didn’t disappoint, 40 odd seconds in there he goes tripping over his words again. HOW can we have confidence in ANY politician when they can’t even string a coherent sentence together ?
     • ropata 2.6.1

       3 August 2013 at 12:41 am

       I don’t think Shearer’s style is a problem, John Key isn’t a great orator either, he is barely coherent most of the time.

       Speech difficulties didn’t affect the popularity of world leaders like George VI, Moses, or George W Bush.
       • srylands 2.6.1.1

         3 August 2013 at 12:50 am

         It is not his diction that is the problem. It is what he says. But I hope very much he stays.
3. Chooky 3

   1 August 2013 at 8:57 am

   @ vto ….moi aussi

   Just wish Winnie and the Greens would bury the hatchet and be friends…would be a big step forward….

   And I know the Greens want to be nice to all refugees, political or otherwise ….but I do think they have to take a more realistic stand on economically motivated boat people

   ….otherwise we will get waves of them …Their issues are best sorted out in their own countries of origin …the Greens should be putting their efforts there….especially where there is the subjugation of women leading to lack of independence and huge unsustainable overpopulation…..

   It is counter to and the muddies the Green message( a Greenie who wouldnt vote Green on this site described it as “ignoring the elephant in the room”)….NZ cant stand too much overpopulation.We can not take all the economic refugees in the world…Ahmed Zaoui is one thing, a genuine political refugee of moral courage and an asset as a new citizen of NZ….But the potential for mass immigration of economic refugees is another….the Green Party needs to clearly distinguish the two issues.
   • bad12 3.1

     1 August 2013 at 11:12 am

     ‘Economically driven boat people’ yeah i know Russell just hasn’t seen the problem of all those boat people pouring ashore,

     Mind you, when i come to think about it nor have i, this might have something to do with the little fact that such a problem does not exist and is highly unlikely to ever do so, exist that is,

     My advice to you, find the user- manual, locate your wing-nut, give it a half dozen sharp turns to the left…
     • Chooky 3.1.1

       1 August 2013 at 1:25 pm

       @ bad 12…… thanks .for the advice!……well I am not the only one who thinks this way…that it could be a problem for the future …..and I know it puts off some people who would vote Green
     • Murray Olsen 3.1.2

       1 August 2013 at 9:58 pm

       I watch out for them every time I go fishing. Haven’t seen a single boat yet.
       • Weta 3.1.2.1

         2 August 2013 at 8:44 am

         Murray, you might find a bunch of long-lost vikings bearing down over the horizon in a foul mood after being at sea too long.

         Either that, or Admiral Zheng He’s fleet ..

         “from 1421 to 1423, during the Ming Dynasty of China under Emperor Zhu Di (朱棣) the fleets of Admiral Zheng He (鄭和), commanded by the Chinese captains Zhou Wen (周聞), Zhou Man (周滿), Yang Qing (楊慶), and Hong Bao (洪保), discovered Australia, New Zealand, the Americas, Antarctica, and the Northeast Passage; circumnavigated Greenland, tried to reach the North and South Poles, and circumnavigated the world before Ferdinand Magellan.”
         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1434_-_The_Year_a_Magnificent_Chinese_Fleet_Sailed_to_Italy_and_Ignited_the_Renaissance
4. Craig Glen viper 4

   1 August 2013 at 9:32 am

   Norman was good, Robertson ok, Shearer unconvincing as evident by the slow hand clap by his nearest and dearest.
5. tracey 5

   1 August 2013 at 9:34 am

   I think we take 750 refugees a year.
6. Bill 6

   1 August 2013 at 2:07 pm

   Wtf did Shearer say there? Did he just decry the fact that ‘NZers’ have lost confidence in spy agencies? And then did he go and blame that on John Key’s behaviour? So…nothing really wrong with the spy agencies – just John Key’s behaviour?! Any reason we should be anything but suspicious of spy agencies and seek to keep them under the highest degree of scrutiny and hold them to the highest degreeof accountability? According to Shearer in that clip…no. ‘Proper’ behaviour on the part of any Prime Minister is the beginning, the end and at the heart of any spy agency issue.
7. Not Another Sheep 7

   1 August 2013 at 11:47 pm

   The most significant point by Robertson was that of the loss of Democracy not just another opportunity for supposed Labour supporters to critique flaws in persons. Crucial to every citizen is their democracy and now more than ever is the time for all New Zealanders to look at exactly what they believe NZ democracy was supposed to be. I believed that we lived in a state of democracy closest to the definition of ‘pure’ democracy ie. participatory democracy more than any place in the world. This form encompasses more than believing being able to vote is democracy- that’s Zimbabwe. NZ was also a place for a while too where this democracy was more than ‘representative’ democracy where citizens let their representative’s form Policy and Laws for them. ( to once being world leading for its example of progressing rights of all humans , with the right also to challenge , protest, consult etc too to deliberate shutting the people out). Russell Norman then also reiterates the decline of Rights, a serious state of affairs that should make all sit up and say with the rapid law changes racing through Parliament over such a short time, with a National government swiftly shutting down participatory rights of citizens, how many more means of participation are these “elite” then willing to deny citizens to progress the advantages of just a few?
   Dame Anne Salmond said that “a healthy democracy requires the active participation of citizens in public life and in public debates [because without it] democracy begins to wither and becomes the preserve of a small, select political elite”.
   The Law Society response and then submission to the United Nations’ Human Rights Council is a serious indicator of the loss of democracy; I believe it comes about because never before in this NZ democracy that others have shaped and that we knew even just a few years ago have we become a Nation of subversive oppression delivered stealth fully because we voted for it? Significant is the way “Urgent” Parliament sessions pass Laws as a more common method now. A direct and deliberate block to the Rights of citizens to participate.
   Some recent examples of this oppression denying citizens rights and abilities to participate for the better of all and furthermore for all to thrive( not just the “elite”) are outlined by Associate Professor Richard Shaw http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/8980949/Time-to-get-a-grip-on-politics-for-our-own-good. They are just a few in erosions to NZ Democracy; not conspiracy theories but factual happenings…. keep them poor, keep them dumb, keep them powerless as possible AND then take away rights for citizens to challenge what “WE” say is legal or truth.
   I wonder how many sheep NZ really does have aside from the four legged woolly ones ? How many Nat voters have even begun to think of the full scope and implications of mass data collection from their own personal lives without reason or due suspicion or cause? How many of the business world have thought of the safety of their data with a Government agent that not only can’t stop hackers but CAN’T keep data safe…ACC, WiNZ, IRD, Vance and Dunne’s forays ??? How many law firms for example and yes You the client should be worried as ‘data’ is digitally sent around and has the potential to be abused to interfere with the process of Justice?

   And where might the SPIES look for the subversives to track on the Government’s behalf? Right here on The Standard of course… (tongue in cheek but wouldn’t be too surprised of any moves this Government makes anymore…)

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