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Uyghur allegation escalation?

Written By: - Date published: 6:25 pm, February 6th, 2021 - 67 comments
Categories: China, making shit up, Propaganda, radio, uk politics, us politics - Tags:

Radio New Zealand carried a long story this week from the BBC of rape allegations in Xinjiang based on accounts from two Uyghur women Tursunay Ziawudun and Gulzira Auelkhan. Independent analyst Bernhard at Moonofalabama asks the question “Why do these Uyghur witnesses stories constantly change?

Bernhard goes into some detail about the changing stories form Tursunay Ziawudun and another woman Sayragul Sautbay. Ziawudun is now living in the United States and her story has been handled by the US-based Uyghur Human Rights project.

The accounts of both women, Sayragul Sautbay and Tursunay Ziawudun, have ‘evolved’ after they have been handled through a chain of organizations set up to propagandize against China’s anti-terror and development program in Xinjiang.

Like the Swedish organization which handled Sautbay, the U.S. based Uyghur Human Rights Project which handles Ziawudun is part of the infamous World Uyghur Congress, which is is not a grassroots movement, but a US government-backed umbrella for several Washington-based outfits that also rely heavily on US funding and direction. Today, it is the main face and voice of a separatist operation dedicated to destabilizing the Xinjiang region of China and ultimately toppling the Chinese government.

Gulzira Auelkhan has also spoken previously to media. Her complaints in March 2019 were that she was forced to work for less than the minimum wage, with nothing of the lurid detail in this latest report that as Bernhard says has the appearance of a bad porn script.

Bernhard cites the example of the testimony of Nyirah al-Sabah before the first Iraqi war. He says the claims by the women of rape in the re-education camps in Xinjiang are as believable as the ones Nyirah al-Sabah made about babies allegedly thrown out of Kuwaiti incubators:

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British NGO, which published several independent reports about the killings and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that “patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait’s nurses and doctors … fled” but Iraqi troops “almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die.” Amnesty International reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of “opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement”.

Nyirah al-Sabah was later shown to the the 15-year old daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. It is now cited as a classic example of atrocity propaganda.

The BBC says in its story that the accounts of the women could not be verified. This did not stop them or Radio New Zealand from spreading the filth. There is a propaganda war against China driven out of the US and the UK.

We can expect more of this from the BBC but we should expect better from Radio New Zealand. They should not be republishing unverified sources.

67 comments on “Uyghur allegation escalation? ”

  1. barry 1

    I am not going to say I don't believe the women, but there is always a problem with refugee testimony, in that they have every motivation to exaggerate. This was certainly true in the run up to the Iraq war, as the allegations against Saddam became more and more divorced from reality.

    As you say, they have likely been coached by the organisations that are looking after them. It is possible that their initial statements were not the complete story, as they may have had reasons for holding back. But (as with child abuse testimony) it is important to know how they have been interviewed and debriefed to stop contamination of the evidence.

    What is happening in Xinjiang is certainly of concern, and it does seem that there is an attempt to eradicate parts of the local culture. I have no doubt that people who resist brainwashing will be harshly treated.

    The evidence for this harsh treatment applying to everyone is very thin. The majority of people who have been in the camps have been released back into society and the sort of abuses described would be counterproductive.

  2. Incognito 2

    This raises the question whether the NZ Government is a victim or a perpetrator of this propaganda war against China.

    The truth is usually somewhere in the middle and probably changes its position depending on the circumstances, i.e. a moveable and fuzzy/nebulous target, and depending on whom you’re talking to …

  3. RedLogix 3

    There is only one way to resolve this – independent scrutiny on the ground that's trusted and authoritative. That the CCP have resolutely refused such access means they get no benefit of the doubt here.

    • Incognito 3.1

      Well, maybe they’re hiding WMDs or killer bats that unleash global pandemics and therefore don’t deserve our natural justice.

      • RedLogix 3.1.1

        The allegation is a serious one and deserves a serious independent investigation. Otherwise all we have to go on is uncorroborated claims and speculation – useless and harmful.

        Now if you were a detective dealing with such a case, and the accused totally refused to cooperate and even exercised their ability to prevent access to the crime scene – what conclusion would you draw?

        We have a name for it – obstruction of justice.

        • Incognito 3.1.1.1

          Sure, when did stop beating your wife or when did you last fuck your pig are also serious allegations. Many a witch-hunt has started with serious allegations. My point is, if is not clear to other readers, that these sorts of allegations can be used to create a no-win situation for the ‘accused’ and no matter what they do or say or don’t do or not say will get them off the hook by the ‘accuser’, which is precisely the intention. Simultaneously, we’re being forced to take ‘a position’ and ‘a stand’ under the motto ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us’. Regardless of what has happened or is happening with the Uyghurs, there are signs of populist propaganda and wedge politics going on and it is not the first time. So, who benefits and thus has a motive?

          • RedLogix 3.1.1.1.1

            I cannot but help note that if it was the USA (or any other western nation) being accused of these or similar crimes – there would rightly be a loud mob of people demanding we get to the truth of the matter.

            Yet somehow the CCP is getting the benefit of the doubt here I really cannot see it deserves.

            • Incognito 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Hypothetical they-do-it-too or what-if is not helping us move forward. Before you move in the ‘independent’ inspectors/investigators to ‘gather evidence’ and before you charge somebody of a crime, you’d need to first examine the facts. Besides apparently ever-changing victim/witness accounts of how many people, what do we have that we can look at? Please note that by “we”, I mean the NZ Government; there’s another “we”, which is people in the street, like you and me, who wouldn’t be able to recognise or identify an Uyghur if we bumped into one in Queen Street.

          • The Al1en 3.1.1.1.2

            Regardless of what has happened or is happening with the Uyghurs, there are signs of populist propaganda and wedge politics going on

            Yeah, that's terrible, won't someone think of the ruling elite's children.

            • Incognito 3.1.1.1.2.1

              Sorry, our borders are closed to international students.

              • The Al1en

                I know a place if they're in need of some ‘reeducation', regardless of what has happened or is happening with the Uyghurs

                • Incognito

                  I’m sure they love to hear from you so why don’t provide them with your full name and contact details here so that they can contact you? Lprent doesn’t like e-mail addresses in comments because it attracts bots but I’m sure we can make an exception in this case.

                  • The Al1en

                    Not me or my details, though I’m sure they already have them – I'm boycotting Chinese goods and services

                    • Incognito

                      I see, you’re a minimalist.

                      Do you want to enlighten us about what’s really happening with the Uyghurs or just spread innuendo?

                    • The Al1en

                      If you're posting stuff like

                      Regardless of what has happened or is happening with the Uyghurs

                      I doubt I'd really be able to enlighten you on anything.

                      Tell you the truth, I'm a little surprised you'd take such a position on such grievous matters such as mass incarceration, reeducation, abuse, forced sterilisation, stripping of religious freedom etc.

                      You may call it propaganda, as is your wont, but if even only half of the recent and historic claims are true it's a crime against humanity blunt appeasement won't provide cover for.

                    • Incognito []

                      You can interpret that in whatever way you like and as with pig fucker arguments, you have assumed that I have taken “such a position”. However, the intended meaning was to separate it, whatever it is, from any propaganda and dirty politics that might be taking place at the same time. In other words, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that they’re not after you, if you (still) follow me. Propaganda is propaganda, facts are facts, and these are not mutually exclusive contrary to popular opinion and ‘common sense’. Do you have any facts to share? If not to enlighten me, which you’ve already decided is an exercise in futility, but to fill in other readers.

                    • The Al1en

                      I think I'll just leave it with a much lower opinion of you than I had before.

                      Sorry to bother you with my populist propaganda and wedge politic humanity.

                      [RL: I’m going to step in here and politely point out that you were doing OK until the personal denigration. Chill.]

                    • Incognito []

                      It was never about your humanity or me. Another thread that didn’t go anywhere.

                      Our Government has already made up its mind, after seeing the same BBC report, or has it? Good on them, I say, our collective humanity is at stake here.

                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/jacinda-ardern-s-grave-concern-after-reports-of-systemic-rape-in-china-s-uighur-camps.html

                      Edit: I posted the comment before I saw RL’s moderation note.

        • francesca 3.1.1.2

          Which neutral organisation would you trust ?

          • RedLogix 3.1.1.2.1

            I'm not sufficiently familiar with the possible candidates to make a list, but ideally it would be UN based. Perhaps headed up by a tribunal including already respected individuals like Nils Melzer.

            And much would depend on the degree of independent access giving them, not just for a stage managed visit, but over time and without constraint. Full transparency is essential.

            In the modern world it's impossible to make everyone happy, but it must be possible to establish an entity with acceptable credentials and credibility.

    • Brigid 3.2

      "the CCP have resolutely refused such access"

      Who has been refused access, on what grounds, by whose account?

      • Adrian Thornton 3.2.1

        Good questions, it will be interesting to see those answered in full by our resident red scare proponents.

    • Mike Smith 3.3

      RedLogix is right about one thing – the best way to resolve this issue is for a respected and independent authority to visit Xinjiang and see for themselves. He is not right to say that the Chinese government has resolutely refused access. The Chinese government has invited the United Nations Human Rights Commissioner Michelle Bachelet to visit and as of last September her office is reported to be in discussions with them. The Chinese will have concerns over presumptions of guilt, similar to those they faced regarding the origins of the Covid virus in Wuhan. No doubt the issues will be resolved, but it may take time.

      • RedLogix 3.3.1

        The CCP is the accused party here – they should not get to vet or 'negotiate' with the investigation. Otherwise it's credibility is crippled from the outset.

        Pragmatically the least we can demand is complete transparency in any such discussions.

  4. Sanctuary 4

    It seems that the standard is well poised to provide the CCP with any number of stooges willing to engage in obfuscatory whataboutism. Presumably they'll be well rewarded with whatever constitutes dig biscuits for fools these days.

    • Incognito 4.1

      You’ve been on this site since its inception, as far as I can tell, and you know how it works and who owns the TS Trust. You also know that there are no “rewards” whatsoever for writing posts or comments here. Ask your TS mates – you know whom I mean. I find your comment mischievous and slanderous and I sincerely hope you won’t spread this kind of disinformation again about the site and/or its Authors.

  5. df 5

    Wow. This post seems to be very close to attempting to broadly discredit news of oppression of Uyghur by CCP. What's the motivation here? Holding media to account on their accuracy?

    • Incognito 5.1

      It seems you have a problem with reading comprehension. This is the first sentence of the OP, with my emphasis to make it clearer for you to understand what the OP is about:

      Radio New Zealand carried a long story this week from the BBC of rape allegations in Xinjiang based on accounts from two Uyghur women Tursunay Ziawudun and Gulzira Auelkhan.

      Capisce?

      • df 5.1.1

        That doesn't answer my question at all. But I wasn't asking you, was I? Step back buddy.

        • Incognito 5.1.1.1

          laugh

          Firstly, I’m not (your) “buddy” and maybe you want to try keeping your pretentious masculinity under control when you comment here, as it comes with a whiff of bad BO.

          Secondly, of course it didn’t answer your question at all. Your question was a loaded one based on a false premise. If I were to posit that you have almost stopped beating your wife and then asked the question as to what the motivation for that is, I would do what you did here.

          Thirdly, Mike might want to comment, but here on TS anybody can chime in at any time, as long as they don’t derail the thread. If you want a one-on-one conversation, you’re in the wrong place here; maybe start your own blog, yes?

          Capisce?

          • df 5.1.1.1.1

            Nope, not at all. Would be good to hear Mike's view but thanks for setting me straight on the rules around here. And to you…be careful on gender assumptions, it makes one look a little…unprogressive maybe. No doubt moderators will be watching you if you carry that sort of thing on.

            • Incognito 5.1.1.1.1.1

              The last thing I want is to be perceived here as “unprogressive” and I apologise for my characterisation of your comment. I look forward to more constructive contributions from you here in future.

              Ciao.

              • df

                Here is a constructive contribution which will be right up your alley, and Mike Smith's, too. Good 'ol CCP…such a great bunch to hitch your wagon to. Not doubt you will be commenting on the glorious work CCP is doing to keep their people safe BBC News – Cheng Lei: Australian journalist faces China spying charges
                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55975542

                • Incognito

                  I’m sorry to have to tell you that that is not a constructive contribution to the OP or to this thread. It is just an irrelevant link and a bunch of snide remarks with incorrect assumptions. You should have taken it to OM, IMO, because it comes across as flamebait.

                  If you cannot or don’t want to do better, maybe you should not comment under this Post, yes? It is more than a suggestion but I doubt you can or will read between the lines. However, I have a solution for that, which may cause serious and long-term adverse advents with you …

  6. Adrian Thornton 6

    " We can expect more of this from the BBC but we should expect better from Radio New Zealand. They should not be republishing unverified sources."…sorry pal but that horse as bolted long ago, RNZ has been spewing out pretty much verbatim US and UK propaganda for a long long time…just look at the latest Red scare propaganda involving the Liberal anti Putin pin up boy Navanly…turns out that Navalny is an extremist racist nationalist…last week’s interview with Kim Hill ‘Alexei Navalny vs Vladimir Putin’ with Anton Troianovski brushes over this in but a flash, now I ask you if Navalny had been ousted with these most outrageous racist attacks against Jews for instance or African Americans do you think Kim Hill would still just brush over that racism? I think not..Corbyn proved that…but as they were just some Eastern Europeans, they let it slide past so as to not get in the way of their anti-Putin agenda…not to mention they never covered Assange’s outrageous court case once, until it was over, however when the allegations of rape were swirling around they couldn’t get enough of that… the days of getting any balance or context from RNZ like this, are past…. RNZ National is now a radio station for older teenagers (afternoon shows) and lazy adults who can’t be bothered thinking for themselves (excepting the evening shows, which can be worthwhile for sure)….luckily Concert programme is still around.

    • francesca 6.1

      And Navalny is still ending out messages to his followers from his cell!!

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300222590/navalny-urges-russians-to-overcome-their-fear-in-a-note-he-sent-from-jail

      We hear nothing from Assange

      • Adrian Thornton 6.1.1

        Yes, so I see, it seems that the media has a large part of the population believing up is down and left is right on certain issues….even by people who you would assume could/would see through such obvious propaganda and/or fake news…but no, for reasons unknown they appear to gobble up the bullshit just as readily as the casual observer of current affairs…very sad and quite disturbing.

        • francesca 6.1.1.1

          Jim Mora once interviewed Dr Tim Anderson from Sydney University on Syria ..by mistake I can't help feeling

          Tim wrote "The Dirty War on Syria"having visited several times on his own fact finding missions

          Jim was flabbergasted , being such a creature of orthodox beliefs, he was quite unprepared ,as his only exposure to Syria was through approved media

          • Adrian Thornton 6.1.1.1.1

            Damn, missed that one…good 'ol Mora, he really is the quintessential middle NZ broadcaster of our time, no bucking the system from that guy…no siree.

              • Adrian Thornton

                Thanks, that right there is something quite rare and unusual, an actual counter narrative… I cannot remember the last time I heard one on RNZ, I frequently emailed RNZ asking for such a thing over the years, but have pretty much given up bothering now.

                • Incognito

                  Maybe it is the exception that proves the rule wink

                  I don’t like to write off people or institutions too soon as I’ve been shown to be wrong many times when I did that. I find it better to reserve judgment, which is easier said than done.

                  • Adrian Thornton

                    That sounds good in theory, but I am just too impulsive by nature I’m afraid. Though that being said I have been listening to RNZ for 40+ years, and used to really love it, so it has actually been a very painful process for me personally, watching it’s slow but always discernible decent into mediocrity (and worse) and especially listening to Kim Hill who was one of my media hero’s, slowly become a one dimensional talking head (on foreign politics) and who will never have on a serious counter narrative to the party line on her show these days 9for a long time)…I guess John Pilger saw through her back then…but I hung on for many more years trying to give them and her the benefit of the doubt..but that time of indecision has now well and truly now passed, well for me anyway.…sadly (and I really mean that)

                    • Incognito

                      I cannot comment on RNZ or Kim Hill. However, as a general observation, we change, people change. Long-term friendships dissipate, long-term marriages dissolve. Professionally too, it is easier to get on top of your game than to stay there, year in, year out. It can be painful to see/experience some changes but it is even more painful to refuse to accept and let go. Sometimes, I feel nostalgic and long for things in the past and if I give in, I can become melancholic. Much better to treasure the good memories of (the) good times and enjoy the good things in the present, I reckon. All good things come to an end, they say, but similarly, all good things have a beginning too. Think about it.

        • df 6.1.1.2

          You'll be pleased with Navalny's sentence though. See, the great Russian judiciary has set things straight. How conniving the powers in the west are, how gullible are their people. Fools!

          • Adrian Thornton 6.1.1.2.1

            I personally have no real deep interest in Russian politics, and less so about the fate of the racist hate monger Navalny; however I do have an interest in the way Russia and specifically Putin has been relentlessly demonized by western MSM over the past three years, as usual there are more parts to the puzzle than first meets the eye..maybe watch this to get a little more context on the subject, I know I learnt a thing or two.

            • Stuart Munro 6.1.1.2.1.1

              Putin was always a monster, and the media fell down on the job of reporting his adventurism in Chechnya and Ingushetia. The "demonization" you claim falls well short of the man.

              • Adrian Thornton

                As I have said to you on more than one occasion, I have no love of Putin, or anything he represents, especially his actions in Chechnya, however as I have also tried explaining to you on a few other occasions as well, that is not what I am talking about. If you are fine with your legitimate problems with Putin being co-opted for the political and corporate foreign policy agendas of the USA and her allies then fine, personally I choose my friends more carefully, preferably ones with a similar moral and ethical world out look that I have.

                • Stuart Munro

                  It takes more than a simple assertion to establish that Putin is indeed being coopted for such purposes, or the Uighur women for that matter.

                  People coerced into abusive situations like those the women describe are likely to suffer mental health problems on a par with PTSD, so that some variation in their stories or inconsistencies are not as damning as they would be from a reporter that merely observed such activity.

  7. Mike Smith 7

    Wang Wemin, China's foreign ministry spokesman, dealt with the BBC story in his regular interview on February 3rd and 4th. In the latter he provides some more information on the people whose names come up frequently in the anti-China stories.

    On a related issue in the state-led information wars, the UK media regulator OFCOM has now banned CGTN. the Chinese national overseas news agency. The Independent reports OFCOM saying:

    “We are unable to approve the application to transfer the licence to China Global Television Network Corporation because it is ultimately controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, which is not permitted under UK broadcasting law.”

    “We’ve provided CGTN with numerous opportunities to come into compliance, but it has not done so. We now consider it appropriate to withdraw the licence for CGTN to broadcast in the UK.”

    Ofcom revoked the licence of Press TV, the Iranian state broadcaster’s English-language outlet, in 2012, for breaches of the Communications Act.

    In 2019, Ofcom fined the Russian broadcaster RT £200,000 over “serious and repeated failures” to report with due impartiality on issues including the Novichok poisonings and the Syrian conflict.

    Seems to ba a pattern. As for Novichok, the deadliest poison ever that only Putin can authorise but never kills anyone to whom it has supposedly been applied, the one thing you can say about it with absolute truth is that it is proving indestructible in the western media.

    • francesca 7.1

      Well you have to admit, novichok is hugely effective as a propaganda device

      Like the hateful Chinese guards who bite as well as rape, poison sets the perpetrator beyond the human pale, worthy of horrified disgust .Why the wretches are evil I tell you and should properly be killed

      Both world wars had similar grotesque propaganda , to keep the populace in a state of hatred and fearfulness of the enemy.

    • Tiger Mountain 7.2

      There appears to be a flaw in the Navalny and other stories–this incredibly dangerous “deadly nerve agent” does not seem to bump anyone off, quickly at least–perhaps non fatal doses are administered to ensure maximum suffering for the recipient? or these outlaw compounds are unreliable to handle? or…we could be being had.

      Why should certain international media companies and services, unreliable and biased as hell on “Western” and local NZ matters, necessarily be believed on Russia and China? it smells of some sort of offical line/pundit confirmation bias.

      Mr Navalny is a Yale educated Finance capitalist, make no mistake. Maybe not an authoritarian, but no friend of the working class in reality. The positive thing in this is Russian people in action trying to enforce the democratic rights of speech and assembly.

    • Adrian Thornton 7.3

      "the one thing you can say about it with absolute truth is that it is proving indestructible in the western media." …that is a fact alright.

  8. Andrew Miller 8

    I’m assuming that the grotesque moral relativism underpinned the nauseating CCP apologia that The Standard trots out with monotonous regularity is driven by an anti imperialism of fools, but it’s stuff like this that makes so many people who’s politics lean left want nothing to do with ‘the left’.
    I’m also assuming this post won’t stay up, but at least who moderates these post will at least what utter contempt you deserve to be held in.

    • RedLogix 8.1

      Andrew. The Standard is a collective of authors – it's a mistake to think we all agree on all issues. Quite the contrary.

    • Adrian Thornton 8.2

      Andrew, I think many people whose ‘politics lean left’ in the past are now firmly planted in the centre…and I am not sure if you are aware of this but the Left and the Centre are two completely different political ideologies.

    • Incognito 8.3

      You are the second third one under this Post making an ignorant comment about this site and how it operates. Only a month ago, another ignorant fool made a similar comment and received an educational Moderation note from the SYSOP, Author, Commenter, and Moderator as well as Trustee of The Standard Trust. I highly recommend it to you:

      https://thestandard.org.nz/colin-james-looking-forward/#comment-1772974

      I noticed that you were already whinging & whining about this blog in 2012 in a highly similar way.

  9. observer 9

    This post is why I no longer comment on the Standard. No loss, perhaps, but I know I'm not the only one.

    My politics are certainly on the Left, and I'm happy to see debate here between positions within the broad NZ left (Greens and Labour on tax and housing and inequality, for example). I don't expect to agree all the time, and a very wide range of opinion is natural, and healthy.

    But deflecting for a dictatorship is not "left" or "socialist" or "progressive" or anything, except shameful. When people are oppressed – and brutally – it's morally bankrupt to shill for the oppressors.

    It's not good enough to say "authors have different opinions". Fascists have opinions. Racists have opinions. Trump fans have opinions. They don't get to publish on the Standard. And nor should apologists for torture. Ever.

    I can only hope that none of you or your loved ones ever suffer the atrocities that Mike Smith gladly defends. Nobody deserves that. Over and out.

    • Incognito 9.1

      FWIW, I always appreciated your comments and I do miss them and regard it as a loss.

      I can only hope that none of you or your loved ones ever suffer the atrocities that Mike Smith gladly defends.

      I’m surprised that you have misconstrued Mike’s Post. Frankly, I find it absurd to think that the OP was defending or being an apologist for the atrocities mentioned in the OP. This wasn’t a philosophical treatise how incest between two consenting adults is ok.

    • In Vino 9.2

      Well, we are lied to so often, aren't we? Proven lies that the British fed to their public about the Germans' behaviour in WW1 resulted in the British public being wary of the truth that was later being told to them about the Nazis.

      Same thing here. I have heard so many proven lies about, say, Vietnam delivered to us as truth, only to find out later it was bullshit. Are you sure you know whom to believe, Observer?

  10. Stuart Munro 10

    One might well humour the possibility that the victims the BBC reported were self-serving persons exploiting US funding, much as Chalabi is alleged to have been in relation to Iraq, were it not for an extended body of reports suggesting that China was essentially deculturizing Uighurs.

    This site seems to have plenty to report, though their perspective seems primarily religious.

    And this BBC report is from mid 2019.

    These kinds of reports did not characterize Hu's premiership – they seem to correlate with Xi. Taken together with the womens' stories it suggests that the Uighur program is no garden of sweets, and not something any progessive could support – only lickspittle lackeys of oppressive regimes.

  11. Subliminal 11

    At its heart, the western monetary system has become one of monopoly rent extraction. Debts from private banks are always against some already existing asset or infrastructure. This is the case both for the private sector and for governments. When a debtor defaults, the asset is taken over. In the case of governments, infrastructure and services are sold. The whole system is based on neoliberal austerity. Once the commons has been sold, it is rented back at ever increasing cost as a monopoly. The brutality of this system, which is glossed over by economic language, is extreme. It involves endless wars against any independence. It involves starvation sieges against the most vulnerable. It means a zero sum game whereby "winning" means someone else must "lose".

    China offers another possibility. Of course it is flawed and still open to corruption. But its an alternative and strong enough and definitely successful enough to be a "threat" to the US model. In a zero sum game there is only one winner. Everybody else are losers. Trunp embodies the zero sum mentality perfectly. The Chinese system involves public banking. Credit is used to build infrastructure and have the state run it. This eliminates monopoly rentiers and makes the cost of doing business much less. It frees money to raise the standard of living and education and health. It is inclusive and involves a win-win mentality. Internationally China can use its surpluses to help create infrastructure and other services for other countries. It does not pauper a country when they default on debt. How could they? The US and West wouldn't allow it. China, Russia and Iran are attempting to initiate a system of international payments that would not create one country dominant above another. This is at the heart of win-win.

    There are huge vested interests in the West with billions of money and some serious military hardware that do not want this to happen and have no qualms about the means that they use to prevent it. So its important to make sure that we arent just rushing headlong into another manufactured war against another manufactured enemy.

    Michael Hudson

  12. Obtrectator 12

    "As for Novichok, the deadliest poison ever that only Putin can authorise but never kills anyone to whom it has supposedly been applied … "

    Tell that to the family and friends of the late Dawn Sturgess of Salisbury, UK.

  13. ngatimozart 13

    The allegations against the CCP / PRC regarding the Uighur people in Xianjang are fairly correct and have been substantiated by CCP documentation that has been leaked. The CCP has a policy of forced assimilation of minorities into Han Chinese society with the objective of creating a homogeneous society subservient to the Party. In Xianjang it's doing this by imprisoning the Uighur population in concentration camps and stripping them of their cultural and religious identity. The intention is to erase the Uighur society, culture, ethnicity, and Islam from the PRC.

    Whilst this may not agree with your political world view, it is part of a process that has been ongoing since the PRC invasion of Tibet in the 1950s. There they have slowly but surely suppressed the Tibetan culture and identity. Now they are starting in Inner Mongolia, with all lessons in school now to be taught in Mandarin only. Until late last year most lessons were taught in Mongolian.

    This is not the actions of a democratic benevolent government, but the actions of an authoritarian, totalitarian state. To be true mainland China has never experienced democracy in its history, but they deserve far better than this latest incarnation of an imperial dynasty.

    Finally here in in Aotearoa NZ we all have the right and freedom to disagree with the government and what it says or does. We can say so publicly as often and as loudly as we like. We can question our leaders parentage, species, intellectual capability etc., without fear. However if we do that in the PRC, we would find ourselves arrested and off to a re-education camp for a long period of time. So think about that too.

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  • Five Country Ministerial Communiqué
    We, the Home Affairs, Interior, Security and Immigration Ministers of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States of America (the ‘Five Countries’) met via video conference on 7/8 April 2021, just over a year after the outbreak of the COVID-19 global pandemic. Guided by our shared ...
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  • Inspiring creativity through cultural installations and events
    Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Carmel Sepuloni has today announced the opening of the first round of Ngā Puninga Toi ā-Ahurea me ngā Kaupapa Cultural Installations and Events. “Creating jobs and helping the arts sector rebuild and recover continues to be a key part of the Government’s COVID-19 response,” Carmel ...
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  • Drug-testing law to be made permanent
    Interim legislation that is already proving to keep people safer from drugs will be made permanent, Health Minister Andrew Little says. Research by Victoria University, on behalf of the Ministry of Health, shows that the Government’s decision in December to make it legal for drug-checking services to operate at festivals ...
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    3 days ago
  • Better rules proposed for freedom camping
    Public consultation launched on ways to improve behaviour and reduce damage Tighter rules proposed for either camping vehicles or camping locations Increased penalties proposed, such as $1,000 fines or vehicle confiscation Rental companies may be required to collect fines from campers who hire vehicles Public feedback is sought on proposals ...
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  • Government backs Air New Zealand as Trans-Tasman bubble opens
    The Government is continuing to support Air New Zealand while aviation markets stabilise and the world moves towards more normal border operations. The Crown loan facility made available to Air New Zealand in March 2020 has been extended to a debt facility of up to $1.5 billion (an additional $600 ...
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  • Building gifted for new community hub in Richmond red zone
    Christchurch’s Richmond suburb will soon have a new community hub, following the gifting of a red-zoned property by Land Information New Zealand (LINZ) to the Richmond Community Gardens Trust. The Minister for Land Information, Damien O’Connor said that LINZ, on behalf of the Crown, will gift a Vogel Street house ...
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  • Pacific languages funding reopens
      Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio says the reopening of the Ministry for Pacific Peoples’ (MPP) Languages Funding in 2021 will make sure there is a future for Pacific languages. “Language is the key to the wellbeing for Pacific people. It affirms our identity as Pasifika and ...
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  • ERANZ speech April 2021
    It is a pleasure to be here tonight.  Thank you Cameron for the introduction and thank you for ERANZ for also hosting this event. Last week in fact, we had one of the largest gatherings in our sector, Downstream 2021. I have heard from my officials that the discussion on ...
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  • Strengthening Māori knowledge in science and innovation
    Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods has today announced the 16 projects that will together get $3.9 million through the 2021 round of Te Pūnaha Hihiko: Vision Mātauranga Capability Fund, further strengthening the Government’s commitment to Māori knowledge in science and innovation.  “We received 78 proposals - the highest ...
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    4 days ago
  • Government delivers next phase of climate action
    The Government is delivering on a key election commitment to tackle climate change, by banning new low and medium temperature coal-fired boilers and partnering with the private sector to help it transition away from fossil fuels. This is the first major announcement to follow the release of the Climate Commission’s ...
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  • Continued investment in Central Otago schools supports roll growth
    Six projects, collectively valued at over $70 million are delivering new schools, classrooms and refurbished buildings across Central Otago and are helping to ease the pressure of growing rolls in the area, says Education Minister Chris Hipkins. The National Education Growth Plan is making sure that sufficient capacity in the ...
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  • Two more Christchurch schools complete
    Two more schools are now complete as part of the Christchurch Schools Rebuild Programme, with work about to get under way on another, says Education Minister Chris Hipkins. Te Ara Koropiko – West Spreydon School will welcome students to their new buildings for the start of Term 2. The newly ...
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  • Independent experts to advise Government on post-vaccination future
    The Government is acting to ensure decisions on responding to the next phase of the COVID-19 pandemic are informed by the best available scientific evidence and strategic public health advice. “New Zealand has worked towards an elimination strategy which has been successful in keeping our people safe and our economy ...
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  • Supporting Māori success with Ngārimu Awards
    Six Māori scholars have been awarded Ngārimu VC and the 28th (Māori) Battalion Memorial scholarships for 2021, Associate Education Minister and Ngārimu Board Chair, Kelvin Davis announced today. The prestigious Manakura Award was also presented for the first time since 2018. “These awards are a tribute to the heroes of the 28th ...
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  • Global partnerships propel space tech research
    New Zealand’s aerospace industry is getting a boost through the German Aerospace Centre (DLR), to grow the capability of the sector and potentially lead to joint space missions, Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods has announced. 12 New Zealand organisations have been chosen to work with world-leading experts at ...
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    4 days ago
  • Government backs more initiatives to boost food and fibre workforce
    The Government is backing more initiatives to boost New Zealand’s food and fibre sector workforce, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced today. “The Government and the food and fibres sector have been working hard to fill critical workforce needs.  We've committed to getting 10,000 more Kiwis into the sector over the ...
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    5 days ago
  • Minister welcomes Bill to remove Subsequent Child Policy
    Minister for Social Development and Employment Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the Social Security (Subsequent Child Policy Removal) Amendment Bill in the House this evening. “Tonight’s first reading is another step on the way to removing excessive sanctions and obligations for people receiving a Main Benefit,” says ...
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  • Mental Health Amendment Bill passes first reading
    The Government has taken a significant step towards delivering on its commitment to improve the legislation around mental health as recommended by He Ara Oranga – the report of the Government Inquiry into Mental Health and Addiction, Health Minister Andrew Little says. The Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Amendment ...
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  • Whenua Māori Rating Amendment Bill passes third reading
    Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta has welcomed the Local Government (Rating of Whenua Māori) Amendment Bill passing its third reading today. “After nearly 100 years of a system that was not fit for Māori and did not reflect the partnership we have come to expect between Māori and the Crown, ...
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  • Trans-Tasman bubble to start 19 April
    New Zealand’s successful management of COVID means quarantine-free travel between New Zealand and Australia will start on Monday 19 April, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed the conditions for starting to open up quarantine free travel with Australia have ...
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  • Ngāti Hinerangi Claims Settlement Bill passes Third Reading
    Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little welcomed ngā uri o Ngāti Hinerangi to Parliament today to witness the third reading of their Treaty settlement legislation, the Ngāti Hinerangi Claims Settlement Bill. “I want to acknowledge ngā uri o Ngāti Hinerangi and the Crown negotiations teams for working tirelessly ...
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  • Independent group announced to advise on firearms matters
    Minister of Police Poto Williams has announced the members of the Ministers Arms Advisory Group, established to ensure balanced advice to Government on firearms that is independent of Police. “The Ministers Arms Advisory Group is an important part of delivering on the Government’s commitment to ensure we maintain the balance ...
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    6 days ago
  • Kiri Allan to take leave of absence
    Kiri Allan, Minister of Conservation and Emergency Management will undertake a leave of absence while she undergoes medical treatment for cervical cancer, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. “I consider Kiri not just a colleague, but a friend. This news has been devastating. But I also know that Kiri is ...
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  • Excellent progress at new Waikeria prison build
    Excellent progress has been made at the new prison development at Waikeria, which will boost mental health services and improve rehabilitation opportunities for people in prison, Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis says. Kelvin Davis was onsite at the new build to meet with staff and see the construction first-hand, following a ...
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    1 week ago
  • Expert panel proposes criminal limits for drug driving
    To reduce the trauma of road crashes caused by drug impaired drivers, an Independent Expert Panel on Drug Driving has proposed criminal limits and blood infringement thresholds for 25 impairing drugs, Minister of Police Poto Williams and Transport Minister Michael Wood announced today. The Land Transport (Drug Driving) Amendment Bill ...
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  • Covid-19 immigration powers to be extended
    Temporary COVID-19 immigration powers will be extended to May 2023, providing continued flexibility to support migrants, manage the border, and help industries facing labour shortages, Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi announced today. “Over the past year, we have had to make rapid decisions to vary visa conditions, extend expiry dates, and ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Covid-19 imgration powers to be extended
    Temporary COVID-19 immigration powers will be extended to May 2023, providing continued flexibility to support migrants, manage the border, and help industries facing labour shortages, Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi announced today. “Over the past year, we have had to make rapid decisions to vary visa conditions, extend expiry dates, and ...
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  • More support for mums and whānau struggling with alcohol and other drugs
    The Government is expanding its Pregnancy and Parenting Programme so more women and whānau can access specialist support to minimise harm from alcohol and other drugs, Health Minister Andrew Little says. “We know these supports help improve wellbeing and have helped to reduce addiction, reduced risk for children, and helped ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Ahuwhenua Trophy Competition Field Day – Tātaiwhetū Trust at Tauarau Marae, Rūātoki
    *** Please check against delivery *** It’s an honour to be here in Rūātoki today, a rohe with such a proud and dynamic history of resilience, excellence and mana. Tūhoe moumou kai, moumou taonga, moumou tangata ki te pō. The Ahuwhenua Trophy competition is the legacy of a seed planted ...
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  • Crown accounts again better than forecast
    The economic recovery from COVID-19 continues to be reflected in the Government’s books, which are again better than expected. The Crown accounts for the eight months to the end of February 2021 showed both OBEGAL and the operating balance remain better than forecast in the Half Year Economic and Fiscal ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • FIFA Women’s World Cup to open in New Zealand
    Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson and Economic Development Minister Stuart Nash have welcomed confirmation New Zealand will host the opening ceremony and match, and one of the semi-finals, of the FIFA Women’s World Cup in 2023. Grant Robertson says matches will be held in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington and Dunedin, ...
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  • 1 April changes raise incomes for 1.4 million New Zealanders
    Changes to the minimum wage, main benefit levels and superannuation rates that come into force today will raise the incomes for around 1.4 million New Zealanders. “This Government is committed to raising the incomes for all New Zealanders as part of laying the foundations for a better future,” Minister for ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New Dunedin Hospital – Whakatuputupu approved for fast track consenting process
    The New Dunedin Hospital – Whakatuputupu has been approved for consideration under the fast track consenting legislation.  The decision by Environment Minister David Parker signifies the importance of the project to the health of the people of Otago-Southland and to the economy of the region.  “This project ticks all the ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Next steps for Auckland light rail
    Transport Minister Michael Wood is getting Auckland light rail back on track with the announcement of an establishment unit to progress this important city-shaping project and engage with Aucklanders. Michael Wood said the previous process didn’t involve Aucklanders enough.                       ...
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  • Tourism fund to prioritise hard-hit regions
    The Minister of Tourism is to re-open a government fund that supports councils to build infrastructure for visitors, with a specific focus on regions hardest hit by the loss of overseas tourists. “Round Five of the Tourism Infrastructure Fund will open for applications next month,” said Stuart Nash. It ...
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  • Governance Group to lead next phase of work on a potential new public media entity
    A Governance Group of eight experts has been appointed to lead the next phase of work on a potential new public media entity, Minister for Broadcasting and Media Kris Faafoi announced today.  “The Governance Group will oversee the development of a business case to consider the viability of a new ...
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  • New funding to keep tamariki and rangatahi Māori active
    Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson today helped launch a new fund to provide direct financial support for tamariki and rangatahi Māori throughout the South Island who is experiencing financial hardship and missing out on physical activity opportunities. “Through Te Kīwai Fund, we can offer more opportunities for Māori to ...
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  • Single tāne, sole parent dads supported into papakāinga housing
    Six whānau in Pāpāmoa receive the keys to their brand-new rental homes today, in stage four of a papakāinga project providing safe and affordable housing in the regions. Minister for Māori Development, Willie Jackson congratulates Mangatawa Pāpāmoa Blocks Incorporated on the opening of three affordable rentals and three social housing ...
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  • Speech to Disarmament and Security Centre
    Kia ora tatou. It’s great to be here today and to get a conversation going on the disarmament issues of greatest interest to you, and to the Government. I’m thrilled to be standing here as a dedicated Minister for Disarmament and Arms Control, which I hope reinforces for you all ...
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