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mickysavage - Date published:
1:48 pm, December 18th, 2024 - 47 comments
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The HYEFU has been released and the results are pretty ugly.
There is a big dent in the tax take with tax revenue estimated to be down $13 billion over a four period. Who would have guessed that putting the handbrake on construction and infrastructure projects and culling tens of thousands of public service jobs could have resulted in this?
And borrowing for tax cuts for landlords will mean that core crown debt will go up. And I thought these cuts were meant to be fiscally neutral.
The return to surplus has been put off by a couple of years.
And the Government is trying to skewer the statistics by excluding anticipated increases in ACC liabilities from the calculation of the OBEGAL which shall from now be known as the OBEGALx. It will remove ACC deficits from the calculation and make the figures better.
Treasury has opposed the move and the opposition have accused her of creative accounting.
From Radio New Zealand:
“She’s adopting a measure entirely of her own creation in order to try and make the deteriorating financial situation that she has created look less bad than it is,” Labour leader Chris Hipkins said.
“This appears to be an attempt at creative accounting, to make things appear better than they are, in terms of what the government’s exploring there,” said Green Party co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick.
Labour’s Barbara Edmonds has pointed out that overseas the experience is that Austerity does not improve GDP growth.
From Radio New Zealand:
“If you have a look at the budget policy statement, it continues to say there will be more spending cuts and there will be more to come in the future,” she told Morning Report.
“So, she’s only left $700 million available at her next budget to pay for everything outside of health.”
Edmonds doubled down on her claim it is an example of austerity, and pointed to previous governments’ debt trajectory.
“Not just Labour the last term, but you look at National, the government borrowed for crisis, for the GFC, for the Canterbury rebuild, for Covid, that’s why governments have borrowed, she said.
“This government has borrowed for tax cuts, interests deductibility, tobacco tax breaks.”
Instead, Edmonds wants to see continue investment house building programmes, hospital upgrades, and infrastructure, instead of borrowing for tax cuts.
Meanwhile Nicola Willis Willis has promised more austerity. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
She is also yet again trying to blame the last Government.
Which is really odd because the deterioration is from her budget figures presented earlier this year.
This shows yet again that the right are appalling managers of the economy. Even if they think that they can do no wrong.
AbigailX, sounds like a dancers private address.
We certainly need a sugar plum fairy, rather than the continued trashing of the public service, the wider economy and the misallocation of resources.
https://archive.li/knqln#selection-3959.0-4018.1
Her excuse
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/financial-measure-and-capital-allowance-updated
Of course it is her own Captain Ahab like obsession with getting to a budget surplus (and using the wrong approach), that is the reason why she removed the item from the books.
Treasury speak
2021, against the idea because the ACC deficit placed constraint on the government spending level.
2024, for the idea, as Willis does not understand Keynesian economics and needs to be helped to get to the budget balance before she does too much damage.
A bit bloody late mate – this will be years of damage.
"Treasury has opposed the move…"
I don’t think your 2024 comment is correct, that they are for the idea.
I'm not a huge fan of Treasury, but I'll give credit where it's due.
It has, and did so in 2021.
This time.
A bit obtuse. Sure.
Presumably, it thinks it can so manage a future Labour government to add the ACC deficits (next few years at least) to its budget and self constrain its spending (“2026-2029”).
The concept is ACC being self sufficient and not dependent on government support, and having surplus and deficit years (asset value and outgoing variables) unrelated to the government accounts.
National is fixated on the budget, the broader picture is asset to debt – but are ACC assets, government assets?
I'm probably totally wrong here, but wasn't it national that cut the ACC portion of the car registration some time back saying that the forward projections for the money was all included and it wasn't necessary to have the "extra" at that time. It was argued it wouldn't work and clearly it hasn't.
2015?
https://www.hughson.co.nz/accs-levy-reductions/
As for ACC. Nationals cuts in levy rates over the years*** has led to a deficit that is to be removed from the new OBEGALx budget.
https://www.ird.govt.nz/income-tax/income-tax-for-individuals/acc-clients-and-carers/acc-earners-levy-rates ***
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/527644/acc-needs-to-cover-1-billion-revenue-hole
https://www.interest.co.nz/insurance/131234/acc-minister-matt-doocey-reveals-big-hikes-acc-levies-and-announces-review-scheme
Accurate, Willis now talks of infrastructure done cheaper (as per the Dunedin hospital etc).
Again from
https://archive.li/knqln#selection-3959.0-4018.1
The reason for the multi-year capital allowances was to synch the process with the 5 yearly reviews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Infrastructure_Commission
Me, before the election.
Open class warfare, the corporations need their greed feed and we are in the way.
Me too Adrian. Notice Belladonna missing in action!! We said it would lead to lay offs and hardship.
No government has been prepared to make the structural changes to NZ tax, welfare, health spend and superannuation that are required to address the cluster of icebergs that is waiting to sink NZ.
What…
You want us to be Amurikkka?
Even Russia is not like Amurikkka and has stuff like Healthcare..
I think you may need an enema
[I think you may be an enema. Don’t come back – Incognito]
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Yes. No Government since the 1980's have funded them, to the level required to keep the country functional.
QFT
Am currently in Oz. Heard on the radio here the other day of a family recently returned to Oz (Sept 24) after attempting to return back to their homeland NZ. This is the second time they have fled NZ (first in 2011) went back in 2020. But again a Nat led govt has made life so difficult they have had to leave. Same for my family here – they are now Oz citizens and no way are they returning back home.
Willis says she will balance the budget, won't have to borrow for tax cuts
https://ch.pinterest.com/pin/197595502377553194/
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PinochioWillis don't you dare look in my direction"I'm still waiting for Willis to fall on her sword like she promised pre-election if she didn't deliver what she promised.
This is a serious crisis.
At negative 1% GDP growth for the last year, unemployment is going to skyrocket.
Many of our nieces, nephews and rellies are coming out of high-school or Uni and there's just nothing for them right now.
Any job opportunity we can introduce them to in this next 2 months is precious to them.
plenty of jobs coming onstream – mining, charter school teachers, cotton picking …
[Support your claims with some evidence, e.g., how many teacher positions are “coming onstream” for charter schools. You’re starting to sound like a troll – Incognito]
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Currently, I keep hearing 'expert' predictions of unemployment peaking middle of next year.
Can't see it. There appears to be nothing happening in the NZ economy in local business or export profits. I am anticipating that inflation is going to level out. Interest rates will drop and there will still be nothing local worth investing resources or effort into.
The government can't even stimulate the economy because they locked themselves into a austerity drive.
What they are relying on is outside investment for their building infrastructure projects. But I can't see the returns in it for investors when they can look forward into a stagnant demographics of a rapidly aging population.
This is going to last for years and years. Akin to 1983-1990 with large scale industrial collapse, but without Visa rates at 22%, second mortgages at 27%, or sharemarket crash.
Nor any trade partner uplift from Australia, China, or UK. Other than tourism to specific regions.
Unless one has massive Kiwisavers, we are all about to get our individual futures altered.
Austerity?
Willis is spending more than Grant Robertson and running a $14 billion annual deficit. The problem is not a lack of government spending.
Economist Robert MaCulloch published the Treasury Table Forecast Statement of Cash Flows with sharp commentary.
This shows that National is proposing to borrow at least as much and probably more than Labour.
https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/yes-labour-recklessly-borrowed-100-billion-national-s-now-doing-the-same-how-finance-minister-wi?postId=1e995109-fc15-4527-97ab-4e442e4ab556&utm_campaign=d12123ca-0c29-4ad1-bfea-74291d7f8a30&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=c25a9910-fab4-498a-9c90-fdbd006cfcb1&cid=84b14b2f-1514-44a1-920e-2a9e5d2eb416
Our children and grandchildren are going to be left servicing all of this debt if we can't cut costs or raise substantial new taxes.
The C of C NACT planned to get money off foreign property buyers (stamp duty). They did not compensate for this not going ahead (when they needed NZF to rule).
1.5% stamp duty on locals buying property over $2m (similar to the Oz rate at that value).
2.progressive tax on companies – rate of 33% for large banks (form of windfall profits tax used in the USA on larger corporates until Trump).
That part done. And not hard.
3.1% mortgage surcharge on landlords owning an existing property (rest of mortgages zero rated).
A new way to incentivise sale and investment in new builds. Economic growth and falling property values, what is not to like?
4.Move towards the international tax regime standard.
a.bright-line test (CGT) on rental property, no time limit. No avoiding it.
b.1% pa wealth tax (over $2m). The money paid in, a credit on future estate tax liability. To increase income flows now.
c.gift duty restored (removed by Key)
d.estate tax brought in now (removed by Richardson).
Then it is possible to maintain public services and invest in the infrastructure of a first world modern nation state.
But what they'll probably do is raise GST to 20%!
A regressive tax that hits the bottom feeders harder than the elite – so in the CoC M.O.
Such selective biased bollocks!
Whose children and grandchildren are you talking about? The rich’s offspring will inherit the asset and other wealth tax-free and will still pay less than their appropriate share in overall tax.
Why didn’t you mention lifting productivity that could and should cover a large of the tax bill through company taxes?
Essentially, you’re fear-mongering that the average Kiwi will have to carry the heavy load of the tax burden, and the irony of that truth is grating.
Economics is not accounting.
Borrowing Billions for 'tax cuts' and 'landlords dignity' = corrupt idiocy
Who would have thought?
So Austerity takes money out of circulation. I guess there could be times when that is appropriate, but during or causing a recession is not one of those times
I think Muldoon used to call it "the velocity of money" as in the amount of times money would be spent and respent in an economy – now austerity, mass layoffs and "saying the sky is falling" pushes that velocity and economic activity down.
That's the technical economics term for it, and is also why more money to the poorest e.g. beneficiaries has the highest multiplier effect, because they spend it as they get it.
A simple example around tax multipliers is buying milk means GST immediately flows back to the gov't, some of the money goes to buying the milk from Fonterra who bought it from farmers, so all the staff along the way pay PAYE and then GST on items they buy with their wages etc.
We learned about that in Economics 101.
The government makes a dollar and puts it into circulation. Then, each time the dollar changes hands, tax is paid back until, after so many circulations, all of it has returned. I think from the government point of view, each time the dollar changes hands it is only worth what is left after the last lot of tax was taken off, so we are counting the number of times until the whole dollar has returned and you can never get more than the original dollar back.
It still confuses me, but I do remember the accompanying message very clearly, that things like this made managing the government books very different from managing household or business budgets, and governments that drew more than a passing comparison were either naive or playing on the general publics naivety.
As I recall.
It's amazing how much the received wisdom is set in stone, resisting all evidence. "Trust the Nats, they always do money good. Forget history …".
If Ardern were still PM she would now be lambasted by "experts" for not having the great financial wisdom of a great business mind like … well, Christopher Luxon. Make him PM, he'd know what to do!
Whatever failings the last lot had (and they did), you'd have to wear bright blue blinkers not to see that this lot have chosen the wrong medicine and the patient is getting sicker.
But Luxon is the politician of the year (Barry Soper … yes, seriously). Amazing.
When you've spent the previous 3 years talking down the economy, you shouldn't be surprised if it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
That means YOU National and your relentless negativity.
YOU are responsible, and yet you blame everyone else.
The problem that Treasury and the C of C may have to face is this.
Those on floating rates and others renewing their term loans and thus having lower repayment costs, may not spend the money.
Many will consider saving the money because of the risk one of them will lose their job. This saving might tide them over till a new job is found.
Such is their household accounting (provision for a risk) and the impact of this on the wider economy – this is what the move to a more market orientated small government economy looks like.
That's exactly what happens and is why recessions can take years to properly break out of if they are deep (and individual economic scarring can be unrecoverable).
Recession caused by National's reckless spending and borrowing.
Spending for tax cuts to landlords and for the rich which the country couldn't afford.
Unnecessary multi-billion dollar highways, tunnels and by-passes.
That is the REAL reckless spending.
Spending to keep people alive and employed is not reckless spending and for National and ACT to say it does should consign them to a special place in hell.
The tax cuts have evidently been reckless and plain stupid.
But what multi-billion dollar highways, tunnels and by-passes have been done? They are talking about it but not has been delivered has it?
AI Overview
The National Land Transport Programme (NLTP) is expected to manage $32.9 billion in funding from various sources. This is a 35% increase from the 2021–2024 NLTP.
My point is they haven't delivered shit. They are all talk.
Be fair, James – Nicola has 'delivered' a decision to make a decision about new ferries in March.
"Government is trying to skewer the statistics by excluding anticipated"
skewer -> skew