Who’ll run John’s boot camps?

Written By: - Date published: 3:22 pm, January 30th, 2008 - 69 comments
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wacko.jpgThe Army has said it doesn’t want to run National’s boot camps – they prefer to train people who actually want to be there. So the question now is who do they plan to get to do it? They’re not saying much at the moment, but Key’s new policy does leave the door open for the Tories’ other pet project: private prisons. Surely the same outfits must be in the running to operate John’s bootcamps?

The firm the last National government contracted to run private prisons in NZ was none other than the infamous Wackenhut, although they’ve since changed their name to GEO Group, so damaged is their reputation.

Especially for young people, Wackenhut has become a byword for inmate abuse including high profile stories of rape and brutalisation of young people.

Apparently:

Wackenhut CEO George Zoley said after a CBS Television report exposed the repeated rape of a 14-year-old girl at a Wackenhut juvenile jail and two guards were found guilty, ‘It’s a tough business. The people in prison are not Sunday-school children.’

John hasn’t told us yet who he plans to put in charge of his boot camps, but I think it’s time he started giving us some answers.

69 comments on “Who’ll run John’s boot camps?”

  1. mike 1

    The army do what the govt of the day tells them to do….

  2. Tane 2

    They may have to under Key, but I doubt they’ll have much success:

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2008/01/boot-camps-dont-work_29.html

    John will probably have to go the way of the private sector if he doesn’t want to ruin the army’s successful voluntary schemes and risk the political fallout. I doubt he’ll need much pushing to do so.

  3. lawyer dude 3

    I hope that dog in the picture has been micro-chipped, charged with assault on a human being and has bail refused? Dog pound boy!
    This case could be heard on the same day that Jimmy Mason flicked his preschool children’s ears.A preventive measure – so they spill onto to the road on their new bicycles that dad brought them for Christmas.
    Forget the boot camps beacuse men go straight to jail and do not collect $200 when passing go.
    Give it a boot Robbie and come on Australia.

  4. outofbed 4

    The army do what the govt of the day tells them to do

    Like go to Iraq or maybe Iran ?

  5. Billy 5

    lawyer dude, you’re Dad, aren’t you?

  6. insider 6

    If you read the speech JK did not say the army would be doing anything. He only said they “may” be part of a programme – not will or must.

    “These programmes will be run by specialist providers with a proven track record of getting troubled young people back on the straight and narrow. The Army may work with others to provide these programmes. “

  7. lawyer dude 7

    Billy don’t be a hero,don’t be a fool with your life,lala,no I am not dad whoever he is? My dad was shot in desert storm.

  8. Billy 8

    As if further evidence was required…

  9. mike 9

    a bit like the IRD saying they are too busy to administer the enforced welfare of WFF payments.

  10. lawyer dude 10

    Circumstantial or factual evidence Billy the kid?

  11. Sam Dixon 11

    On morning report and the news last night, the organisers of current programmes (some based at army camps but not run by the army) designed to help youths in danger of slipping into crime or welfare dependenency said “yes our programmes work but onyl because they are voluntary, we’re not designed to take serious violent offenders, and the courses would fail if you forced such people to attend”

  12. Billy I think people are just ignoring him. I like to see his as some strange kind of dadaist accent or lacuna.

  13. lawyer dude 13

    Robinsod nice descriptive language.Have you thought about doing a law degree? I was in the army and I enjoyed boot camp with other soldiers.

  14. I think TVNZ or TV3 could run the boot camps and treat it as a reality TV show (a la Bad Lads Army, a hilarious humiliation of English Chavs, who were offered the starring roles as part of their sentences). It would be like the stocks of yesteryear: public humiliation and payback time.

  15. Name 15

    programmes (some based at army camps but not run by the army) designed to help youths in danger of slipping into crime or welfare dependenency said “yes our programmes work but onyl because they are voluntary, we’re not designed to take serious violent offenders, and the courses would fail if you forced such people to attend’

    and they’re voluntary why? Because the filthy socialists won’t fund them. True story, unlike much of the left wing crap posted here.

  16. BeShakey 16

    This speech seems so weird to me. The best explanation I’ve seen is that Key is trying to take NZFs core vote, to get rid of them. Might be good for him if it works (although I doubt that all of NZFs vote would fall in behind the Nats), but it could backfire badly if they make it back in. Labour/Greens/Progessives/Maori/NZF would be pretty close to a majority, certainly a big enough block to cause the Nats a lot of problems if the Nats were in a government that had a few wobbles.

  17. lawyer dude 17

    “I think TVNZ or TV3 could run the boot camps”

    No thank you – because we are trying to keep the children off the dam drugs!

  18. MikeE 18

    You do public sector prison guards are capable of atrocities too.

    The difference is the examples you’ve given have been in the states, whereas we have our very own dodgy ones in the south island, as have been profiled by Bomber on Tumeke.

  19. lawyer dude 19

    Yes bomber is correct the gangs run the South Island prisons.Provable Fact .

  20. Insider said: “If you read the speech JK did not say the army would be doing anything. He only said they “may’ be part of a programme – not will or must.”

    On Breakfast this morning, after being repeatedly asked by Paul Henry, he eventually said “yes, the army will run the boot camps” with rather a firm emphasis, implying “put up or shut up.” And it’s no wonder the army would resist such measures, given that they have a 92% rate of reoffending. See Goff’s Press Release on that here: http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/military training proven not work young offenders goff

  21. lawyer dude 21

    Mind you Maria, the army are currently deployed in 16 different countries and most get straight into work after basic training.Six weeks,then one the outta here bird.
    Solve two problems with one stone?

  22. gobsmacked 22

    Key’s trick is:

    1) Promise a lot of problem-solving investment (education, crime, transport, general infrastructure, etc)

    2) When asked (which he rarely is, by our dozy media) where the money is going to come from, airily suggest private funding, or some kind of “partnership”

    3) Hope that nobody asks the obvious follow-up: what are the incentives for private, profit-driven providers to do the hard stuff? And what are the consequences?

    So far, it’s working.

    Can’t we just make him PM now and fast forward to the fallout in 2009, when the emptiness of all this is exposed? We might as well.

  23. lawyer dude 23

    My good mates at Burnham said the army could well do with a much needed injection of personal.They reckon the kids that run foul of the law are usually the ones that excel in the army comradely atmosphere.
    The army fills a vacuum absent for so many young men.Better than prison as that feeds addictions etc.. The Army lifts their self esteem levels and gives them a sense of achievement.

  24. Sam Dixon 24

    Name, they’re voluntary because that’s what works getting kids on the cusp of falling off the rails who want to do soemthing better and giving them the opportunity (I understand the govt funds the courses)

    lawyer dude – Did you give you mates at Burnham an injection of something personal?

  25. lawyer dude 25

    Sam Dixon, no I didn’t and I will rise above your sordid insinuations.

  26. Michele Cabiling 26

    Sam Dixon wrote: lawyer dude – Did you give you mates at Burnham an injection of something personal?”

    DOn’t judge others by your standards. May I remind you LD was in the NZ Army, not the NZ Labour Party.

  27. 1) Promise a lot of problem-solving investment (education, crime, transport, general infrastructure, etc)

    Gobsmaked – that’s number 2. Number 1. is create the impression of a problem by repeating misinformation until it is seen as indisputable fact.

  28. AncientGeek 28

    ‘sod: It surely is. I get more than a little tired of the repetition. Even the advertising industry is moving away from it because they find it turns people off.

    Michele: I was in the army too, and not that many years after CMT ended. It was hilarious listening to the difference between some civilians bemoaning the abolition of the draft, and the NCO’s and officers saying how great it was to work with volunteers.

    We don’t have armed forces as a social service, they are there to prepare for worst-case scenarios. It is difficult to do that while having to waste effort on short-termers.

  29. Robinsod 29

    Hi guys, I think you’ll find most of the folk backing this belong to the Kiwiblog right:

    http://newzblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/the-kiwiblog-right/

    Yeah, I know I’m a link-whore but if it’s good enough for Tony Milne…

  30. lawyer dude 30

    robinsod,how does one make a comment at the blog No Right Turn?
    I am having problems connecting?
    Care to explain?
    Thank you

  31. Robinsod 31

    Oh you are so having problems connecting, dad.

  32. lawyer dude 32

    Sorry robinsod I am not your dad.

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  33. Robinsod 33

    Don’t be sorry dad. I’m certainly not.

  34. Well maybe a little…

  35. burt 35

    “Who’ll run John’s boot camps?”

    Why of course it will be the unemployed Mallard & Benson-Pope. Where there any cases of people being slapped, punched or having tennis balls jammed into their mouths in Wackenhut?

  36. lawyer dude 36

    Trevor gave David a boot up the rectum and John went berserk as Chester kissed Sue, while Nandor said goodbye when a kamikaze pigeon shat in Helen’s eye.

    Give us a kiss robinsody
    xxx

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  37. Spectator 37

    how does one make a comment at the blog No Right Turn?

    It’s easy. Find the blog’s RSS feed, open up the relevant entry, click on “Post a new comment” and type in the comment you wish to make. I’ll even make it easy for you and post a sample link: http://syndicated.livejournal.com/no_right_turn/1482187.html.

  38. Y’know dad the most memorable comment I’ve ever seen made on a blog was your “I caught aids from a monkey in a wetsuit” post. It just popped up randomly in the middle of a debate, everyone ignored it and carried on. It was one of the truly sublime and absurd moments in the history of blogging. You are a true situationalist dad – it’s almost a shame you’re banned.

  39. lawyer dude 39

    Good night dude. Another day tomorrow bro.
    It’s a funny ol’world .

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

    lprent – actually this is relatively almost pleasant

  40. insider 40

    I see chris Trotter described the standard as “the Labour party blog” on TV1 late news and said even you guys had dissed HC’s speech. Your fame spreads

  41. outofbed 41

    So if it is a Labour party blog
    Why would it diss HC speech ?

    I mean its run from the 9th floor isn’t it ?

  42. AncientGeek 42

    insider: I didn’t think that the Dull post ‘dissed’ Helen Clark’s speech. IrishBill as a poster or commenter makes no secret of his leanings, he’d like labour to move faster in the direction they’re going, and for that direction to be communicated more effectively.

    They’ve got good policy and are taking the country in the right direction (albeit more slowly than I would like them to) but they fail to communicate that to ordinary New Zealanders. They are very good governors but increasingly they are looking like they are all substance and no style. Ironically they are facing an opposition that is totally the reverse.

    That doesn’t sound to me like ‘dissing’ – horrible word. Probably, like you, Chris didn’t actually read or engage his brain over the post. Just superficially looked at the headline.

    captcha: the Robot
    (I think it is a vile canard – should have happened to Michele).

  43. AncientGeek 43

    Talking about words. I loved the ‘wingnutosphere’ in Russell Browns HardNews today. Don’t know if he coined it or it came from elsewhere. But it is a wonderfully appropriate description of the behavior of some blog commenters.

    And finally, a local blog posted an obscene photoshopped image of a political figure yesterday that went beyond the usual petty misogyny of the wingnutosphere. A handful of the usual suspects gathered to snicker. Would they be proud to show that image to their mothers, wives and daughters? Or to the parishioners of the conservative church where one of them holds a position of responsibility?

    A bit further down is also classic, and extremely accurate.

    Of one thing you can be sure: if the “other side” had done a tenth of this you wouldn’t be able to hear yourself think for the screaming from Kiwiblog. But that, of course, would be different.

  44. Russell was too sensitive to link to the wingnut blog in question, but I think the blogger deserves to have his anything-but-hilarious antics brought before a wider audience, who can then form their own assessment of his character: here it is. Warning: not work-safe! Oh, no indeed.

  45. lawyer dude 45

    Psycho Milt is your typical lefty liberal moonbat.These creatures are corrupt, nannying, annoying and irrational pests that are soon to be on the eradication list .

    I am a wingnut and I can be tightened and loosened at any time by my conservative operator which is handy in the war against moonbats incorporated .

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  46. AncientGeek 46

    Interesting…. A couple of links on the two terms from a site called “Mother Tongue Annoyances” who has a go at the terms moonbat and wingnut.

    There are enough links off there and subsequent links off wikipedia to satisfy anyone. It is interesting that moonbat has been used for extremists on either side.

  47. burt 47

    Eddie

    insider said:

    I see chris Trotter described the standard as “the Labour party blog’ on TV1 late news and said even you guys had dissed HC’s speech.

    So why have so many people been banned for asking questions about the Labour party involvement in this blog? Applying the leftard logic – If a lefty like Trotter said it – it must be true!

  48. Monty 48

    Oh dear – helen and the Labour MPs will be in even more of a foul mood today – three out of three say Key is the winner. Add to this the polls by NZ Herald and Stuff and it looks like Clark has been routed, whipped, and humiliated. I have yet to read a positive review of Clarks speech even from their most fawning supporters such as could be found on official Labour Party Blog.

    And then imagine my joy last night when Trotterski rounded out on Clark as well.

    Looks like you unionists better save your pennies this year because I think the “education funds” will be cut about November 2008 leaving unions short on funds for the next decade.

  49. Looks like you unionists better save your pennies this year because I think the “education funds’ will be cut about November 2008 leaving unions short on funds for the next decade.

    Thank you. It may be complete bullshit, but it does remind employees why they’d be mugs to let a National govt in this year.

  50. My god Monty – you are a boring bugger. I seem to recall seeing this attack line somewhere before. You’re not from Hamilton are you?

  51. Monty 51

    Sod – sometimes comments bear worth repeating – although I am impressed that you remember my comments – I have to say none of yours make any recollection to me.

    And from hamilton?? please – I avoid the place at all costs – no I am pleased to say I live in Mount Victoria and I love it – Hamilton is full of ignorant Labour voters

  52. Mt Vic – that would be a Wellington Central. Last time I checked that was a Labour seat…

  53. Monty 53

    Yes – I have been cursed all my life to live in Labour Seats – except of course when Pauline Gardiner and then Richard prebble won Wellington Central.

    Still – I will do what I can to ensure my fellow Mt Vic resident and general good guy Stephen Franks wins Wellington Central at the next election. I think it will be good for Wellington and good for NZto have Stephen back in Parliament.

    A little lack of posts today – maybe because you socialists do not want to admit that Key won the opening round of the 2008 election campaign and trying to work out how to put a positive spin on it all.

  54. lawyer dude 54

    Of course Key won the opening salvos for 2008.Boot camps beat stale woffle anytime.Boot camp the witch that said the warm weather and a full moon makes guns kill people.

    Robinsod -stand at attention boy.Liarbour Platoon forward march into the minefield. Left,right,left,right……

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  55. Tane 55

    Hey Monty, na we just have jobs to do. I’d love to have more time to blog, but well, you know how it is.

  56. r0b 56

    Nah Monty, we socialists are working. We can’t all have a job like yours (real estate agent isn’t it?)

    Key only “won” if you score things on the dogwhistle scale. Scoring on substance, Clark wins by a country mile. I’m not unhappy with that outcome. When push comes to shove, I’m confident that the electorate will vote for substance over “style”.

  57. lprent 57

    insider: At least you asked the question slightly differently this time. So I’ll answer sort of nicely once more…

    Chris is a nice guy, is definitely left-wing, but has been a long time away from the NZLP. Over the years he has criticized the NZLP as often as he has praised it, especially in the days when New Labour and the Alliance were very active. Being left or in the labour movement does not mean supporting the NZLP (as he’d be the first to tell you).

    Now as an ‘insider’, your questions really should be – would he have any idea if the site was run by the NZLP. Or was he just talking off the top of his head? Or would I as sysop know, bearing in mind that I run the nuts and bolts?

    So to answer your implied question, yet again. There are NZLP supporters helping with the site (like me). But it isn’t run by the NZLP. Have you read our About page.

    It is just some of the trolls who prefer to never listen, and who appear to be too dumb to come up with original ways of asking that question (look at burt quoting you – that was almost clever).

    We like discussion. But to have trolls doing the “I want icecream, Icecream, ICECREAM” trick of a child is a total pain to all but their their proud parents. We’d like it if you applied some thought about it. This site isn’t really for children. It is here for an adult discussion. I’m starting to get annoyed with it, and I don’t read comments a lot.

    It is usually a bad idea to annoy a sysop, especially a technical one, if you want access.

    Lynn

  58. rOb – I think you’ll find Monty’s correct title is “slumlord”. Please apologise and retract that “real estate agent” slur….

  59. r0b 59

    Robinsod, right you are then, I withdraw and apologise!

    (By the way, I don’t recall Monty’s profession for sure, it was just a vague memory from an earlier thread.)

  60. lawyer dude 60

    “This site isn’t really for children.”

    Really Lynn?

    Did you mean to say that this government isn’t really for children, as the poll at the NZ Herald today has Key at 75% approval rating for his opening salvo.

    Kind regards soldier of fortune

    [admin
    Nicely quoted out of context – rephrase
    This site isn’t really a place for childish behaviour
    ]

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  61. lawyer dude 61

    Is this an R18 Labour Party only site?
    I blame the hot weather and full moon .

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  62. Monty 62

    Of course there is no way you lefties will ever admit that Key won – Clark lost. Her hastily written speech with policy on the hoof has been an abject failure.

    And please do not insult me by acusing me of being a real estate agent. As a proud bog irish catholic from a working class (west Coast) background, I would rather vote for Winston than demean myself by being a real estate agent – I am in the property business but that is about all can say or you socialist prejudice will judge me for being a capitalist scum.

  63. Dad, you’re forgetting to remove the spaces from in front of your punctuation again.

  64. I stuck up for you Monty.

  65. lawyer dude 65

    Psycho,,,,, you are forgetting that your make up is all messed up because your arrogance and deceptive spin doctoring days are coming too a rapid closure.
    Get a life Miss Mitty……………………..

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  66. Billy 66

    Monty, are you John Minto?

  67. r0b 67

    Of course there is no way you lefties will ever admit that Key won – Clark lost.

    The result I’m after, Monty, is for New Zealanders to win.

    Her hastily written speech with policy on the hoof has been an abject failure.

    Oh please, that policy was a long time making.

    And please do not insult me by acusing me of being a real estate agent. As a proud bog irish catholic from a working class (west Coast) background, I would rather vote for Winston than demean myself by being a real estate agent

    Wow – touchy! What’s wrong with REAs Monty? They’re just out there serving market forces. I thought you like capitalism?

  68. Pablo 68

    Monty’s against real estate agents cos they help his tenants exploit him. The poor downtrodden owners of investment property should rise up and throw off the shackles put on them by renters.

  69. My estate is filled with rentboys !Shackles I say !

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