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Why Islam is incidental.

Written By: - Date published: 12:21 pm, May 26th, 2017 - 133 comments
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A thought provoking piece in today’s Guardian from Arwa Mahdawi that is absolutely worth the two minutes of your time it would take to read in its entirety. It begins…

There are lots of ways to be a disaffected, disenfranchised young man. You can spout anonymous abuse online. You can shoot up a school. You can bomb abortion clinics in the name of being pro-life. You can kill black people peacefully praying at church, in the name of white supremacy. You can murder teenagers singing joyfully along at a pop concert, in the name of Isis and Allah.

What you are called, when you do those things, varies. Sometimes you’re a criminal. Sometimes you’re a terrorist. Sometimes you’re a mental health statistic. How you are treated, when you do those things, varies…

The piece goes on to touch on killings motivated by notions of white supremacy before focusing on the case of Devon Arthurs, a white supremacist turned Muslim who allegedly stabbed his white supremacist flatmates because they were planning terrorist attacks. The prevalence of attacks in the US that are motivated by notions of white supremacy, and the lack of money, policy and training geared towards confronting it, is looked at before the piece concludes…

Arthurs is a timely reminder that the road to extremist violence can take many paths but it often starts from the same place: notions of threatened masculinity and feelings of worthlessness and humiliation.

Arthur’s metamorphosis from a neo-Nazi to an Islamist should remind us to eschew the narrative of a Clash of Civilizations that is often pressed on us and, instead, interrogate more universal sources of anger.

The interplay of many socio/economic and psychological factors can result in vulnerabilities that can then be exploited to create a fanatic. Who is exploiting, or in what name the exploitation is occurring, is somewhat incidental when placed alongside those underlying factors. Surely then, our focus as a society ought to be on eradicating the conditions that enable fanaticism, and ceasing any actions that might be pushing any of those underlying conditions in a negative direction.

As a footnote, I’m somewhat heartened by some of the more spontaneous, people centred reactions that are being reported in the aftermath of the Manchester Arena bombing. Maybe someone needs to tell those in authority that the sun may well be setting on their day of hate and fear.

 

133 comments on “Why Islam is incidental. ”

  1. McFlock 1

    Nice post.

    Sometimes I get the impression that it’s often more difficult to stop teens and young people killing themselves or others than it is to get them to do it, regardless of the flag they fly. Sigh.

    • Bill 1.1

      There is that. Notions of being six foot two and bullet-proof riding shot-gun on a head full of righteousness goes a long, long way…

    • weka 1.2

      I also thought nice post.

      re your comment am thinking about the youth suicide rate and how it’s probably higher than we realise because the guys ostensibly having accidental deaths (e.g. road accidents) aren’t in the suicide stats. We are so bad at giving young men in particular a suitable rite of passage into adulthood that makes them feel worthy, and that on top of the socioeconomic issues and the end of the world is upon us thing that I think younger people feel in quite different ways than us oldies.

      Every time, I think this is about community. It’s the worst thing about the last 30 years, the push to end the connections that make us feel like we belong and that we matter. I expect the solutions to terrorism in particular are complex and varied, but it’s hard to not see community rescue as underlying it all.

      • gsays 1.2.1

        Hi weka, I think you are correct with the lack of rites-of-passage for our young men.
        A friend of mine in northland does a bit of this work.
        Very powerful for all concerned.

        At the risk of ruffling feathers… I do have a problem reconciling community and identity politics (at least my understanding of it)

        Great communities I have been involved in, there is a distinct lack of self, me, mine.

        • weka 1.2.1.1

          You and I use the term identity politics differently I think, or we see it differently. For me identity politics is inherently about solidarity. So that fits into community very well. We include everyone, rather than excluding people on the basis of identity (gender, ethnicity, body ability, etc).

  2. Et Tu Brute 2

    Would it be fair to say then that white supremacy is also incidental? The common denominator then is toxic masculinity and socio-economic problems.

    • mordecai 2.1

      No. Both existed in the depression, and didn’t result in people blowing people up.
      The common denominator in virtually all terror activity today is Islam. Stop avoiding the issue, and we may be able to do something about preventing it spreading.

        • mordecai 2.1.1.1

          “The Bath School disaster, sometimes known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 …”

          “The Great Depression was a severe worldwide economic depression that took place during the 1930s. The timing of the Great Depression varied across nations; in most countries it started in 1929 and lasted until the late 1930s.”

          Got your timelines out a bit eh?

          • McFlock 2.1.1.1.1

            oh well, joe mentioned boeing 247 anyway.

            • mordecai 2.1.1.1.1.1

              Come back when you can find dozens of them, and I might take some notice.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                No, you wouldn’t. You’d clutch even harder at your rote-learned hate speech.

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1.2

            And everything before the Great Depression was all roses and light:

            However, for many Americans, the 1920s was a decade of poverty. Generally, groups such as African-Americans, women and farmers did not enjoy the prosperity of the Roaring Twenties. More than 60 per cent of Americans lived just below the poverty line.

        • mordecai 2.1.2.1

          Gee that’s a huge list, compared to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

            • mordecai 2.1.2.1.1.1

              “Basque nationalism is rooted in Carlism and the loss, by the laws of 1839 and 1876, of the Ancien Régime relationship between the Spanish Basque provinces and the crown of Spain. ”

              Back to school.

              • joe90

                Catholic, through and through.

                • mordecai

                  “Carlism (Basque: Karlismo; Catalan: Carlisme; Galician: Carlismo; Spanish: Carlismo) was a traditionalist and legitimist political movement in Spain seeking the establishment of a separate line of the Bourbon dynasty on the Spanish throne. “

                  • joe90

                    So much like the post’s title, Catholicism was incidental, too.

                    • mordecai

                      Incidental? Not even relevant. Unlike terrorists who do their bidding while yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’!!

            • reason 2.1.2.1.1.2

              ” Believe in “terror” and Isis wins. Believe in justice and Isis is defeated.” https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/manchester-attack-muslim-islam-true-meaning-a7754901.html

              For a modern religious horror story …….. it’s hard to go past the Catholic church ….mainly the fascist, Catholic, extremist Ustasha http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/backin.htm

              “The murder methods applied by the Ustasha were extraordinarily primitive and sadistic ” … God and Croatia

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqNje12b21s

              “In Bosnia… the Croatian fascists began a massacre of Serbs which, in the whole annals of World War II was surpassed for savagery only by the mass extermination of Polish Jews.” [End quote]

              The above quote was repeated by all versions of Encyclopedia Britannica from 1971 until 1987.” ….

              The past reaches forward to the present …. with Nato re birthing these Nazis … Karl du fresne plays a role as a racist pro war tub thumper ….and gives us the modern echo of Nazi dehumanization. http://www.tenc.net/letters/dufresne.htm

              “I especially urge you to read the interview in which Cedomir Prlincevic explains why Albanians fled Kosovo during the NATO bombing in 1999. It sheds much light on how great powers foment racist terror and demonize the victims of terror in the Balkans and elsewhere.” …. Jared Israel

              • RedLogix

                And just in today:

                Gunmen opened fire on two buses and a truck carrying Coptic Christians in Minya, Egypt on Friday, killing at least 26, including children. Some 26 people were also injured in the attack.

                The group of between eight and 10 gunmen approached the convoy in three four-wheel-drive pickup trucks before opening fire, according to local media reports and the Egyptian Interior Ministry.

                https://www.rt.com/news/389798-egypt-coptic-christians-killed/

      • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.3

        Bigot has gun.

        • mordecai 2.1.3.1

          FWit uses words he doesn’t understand.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.3.1.1

            Ugh ugh! Gun go bang! Bigot like gun! Ugh! Ugh!

          • gsays 2.1.3.1.2

            Hi mordecai, head over to daily review and check out the story about the businessman giving food away because of his religious beliefs.

        • keepcalmcarryon 2.1.3.2

          I think the tenor here is unneccesarily PC – Mordecai is pointing out an unpleasant reality – islam has an extreme incarnation which is a big issue.
          Wahhabist islam as being preached, funded and spread by the saudis is a big part of the problem, its dumb to pretend extreme islam is not a contributing factor.
          another good huffpost article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

          ““Saudi Arabia has not stopped its interest in spreading extreme Wahhabism. ISIS…is a product of Saudi ideals, Saudi money and Saudi organizational support, although now they are making a pretense of being very anti-ISIS.”

          In fact, Saudi blogger Raif Badawi’s wife, Ensaf Haidar, made a similar observation about her husband’s flogging: “the Saudi government is behaving like Daesh [a derogatory Arabic term for ISIS].” About 2,500 Saudis are thought to be in ISIS’ ranks.

          Ensaf Haidar’s quip exposes a deeper truth. One could reasonably argue that the House of Saud is simply a more established and diplomatic version of ISIS. It shares the extremist Wahhabi theo-fascism, the lack of human rights, intolerance, violent beheadings etc. — but with nicer buildings and roads. If ISIS were ever to become an established state, after a few decades one imagines it might resemble Saudi Arabia.”

          “Although the Wahhabi curriculum was modified after the 9/11 attacks, it remains backward and intolerant. Freedom House published a report on the revised curriculum, concluding that it “continues to propagate an ideology of hate toward the ‘unbeliever,’ which include Christians, Jews, Shiites, Sufis, Sunni Muslims who do not follow Wahhabi doctrine, Hindus, atheists and others.” This is taught not only domestically but also enthusiastically exported abroad.”

          Remove funding, close the madrassas and stop their hate message from reaching the vulnerable would be very sensible.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.3.2.1

            its dumb to pretend extreme islam [sic] is not a contributing factor.

            Yeah thanks for that. Obviously leading criminologists must be dumb too.

            You want to smear this bullshit all over yourself, be my guest, just don’t imagine you’ve discovered a persuasive reality-based argument.

            I can’t decide whether you and the rest of the parrots are genuinely convinced by it, or whether you just find an excuse for bigotry too difficult to resist. It would be an interesting academic study if it weren’t for the extra deaths it fosters.

            Perhaps it’s just cowardice: you don’t want to examine the actual causes of terrorism because you are afraid to learn that anyone (including you) is capable of perpetrating it.

            • keepcalmcarryon 2.1.3.2.1.1

              No refutation of the quotes I see OAB.
              Ease up on your bigotry calls you are becoming a parody of yourself.
              I dont think any keyboard warriors should go around accusing each other of cowardice it just adds to the stupid.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                I didn’t refute your quotes because attempts to understand/explain hatred as a consequence of ideology are futile: ideology is incidental, which is the theme of the post.

                I didn’t accuse you of cowardice: I said it might be a reason why people prefer not to look at the actual causes of terrorism too closely.

                Yeah, I’m all for denying oxygen to hate groups, and we have enough homegrown ones to worry about before we can go advising other people how to close theirs down.

                Not mention the care required: Don Brash preaches hate and lies behind a veneer of concern. Are we going to criminalise his hate speech too? How exactly does it work?

              • mordecai

                “No refutation of the quotes I see OAB.”
                You seriously didn’t expect any. Bloke is a troll, whose only response is ad-hominem.

      • Et Tu Brute 2.1.4

        What about the Oklahoma City bombing or the shooting of abortion doctors?

        • mordecai 2.1.4.1

          That’s why I said ‘virtually’ all.

          • Et Tu Brute 2.1.4.1.1

            Yeah but you can’t have a root of ‘virtually’ all violence. Then it isn’t a root. It is just doing a half-arsed attempt to find a root. You need to dig deeper – hence toxic masculinity and socio-economic problems. Whether Islam or white supremacy is incidental.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.4.1.1.1

              incidental

              ^^^this

              Now, what possible motivation could a right wing bigot have for not wanting to examine eg: toxic masculinity and socio-economic problems?

              What could it be?

              • weka

                lol.

                I’d also like to know how people see toxic masculinity being solved.

                • Sabine

                  well its fairly simple

                  remove birth control
                  remove legal abortion
                  promote abstinence until marriage (only applies to the girls)
                  promote marriage young
                  promote child bearing as a duty to god, husband and fatherland
                  pay women less and lesser
                  prevent women from climbing the corporate/working world
                  remove social nets that predominantly serve single parents and their children (and yes, there are single fathers but they are not the majority – even tho they too suffer hardship equally)
                  remove publicly provided healthcare

                  basically make the survival of women and their children dependent on man, such as it was before the pill was made freely available to women married and unmarried and the arrival of the Domestic Purpose Benefit, and you will see Men restored to their right full place on the head of the table (Headship) who will be served joyfully and meek, Of course, by his spousal unit (helpmeet),

                  And then you have restored Men to their rightful place, just under God, and then toxic masculinity is not to be discussed anymore, and bloodied women and children will just have to learn to be ‘quieter’ around Dad when he comes home from work, all tired and such.

                  oh, and to add, in the US of A and places as such, remove any pretense that humans a darker shade then white have rights. They don’t and the faster they learn the better it is.
                  Cause thats the beef with these little fuckwits.

                  The guy from jemen, palestine, iraq, etc actually has a reason to be fucked up.

                  The little white boys in the US? IF they can’t get a job, if they can’t get laid, if they can’t hustle to make some cash, how come that the others can? Oh, its because they are the white working class with economic issues and if the blacks, latinx and womens were just to go back to 1951 all would be good.

                • The New Student

                  Give our young men an outlet. Useful rites of passage. Something to channel all that energy that they have.

                  Something that builds their confidence and experience, instead of tearing it down.

                  Something that ALL can access, regardless of socioeconomic background. But I suppose that’s impossible

                  • weka

                    sounds good to me. What did you have in mind?

                    • Grafton Gully

                      Urbex, rock climbing, caving, ocean swimming, tramping, trail running, mountain biking, paragliding, sailing, base jumping, wrestling.

                    • weka

                      nice. I reckon some non-sporty things for the less sporty too. Geek stuff for the geeks, that kind of thing.

                    • keepcalmcarryon

                      Yes Grafton Gully, also hunting, fishing, kayaking, diving, the list is immense.
                      Get away from the urban prison and out burning off that energy, learning life skills along the way.
                      edit: yes Weka absolutely.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      This is Sparta!

                      No, wait…

                      What to teach young men? Same as everyone else: whatever they want to learn plus some basics that everyone gets.

                    • weka

                      It wasn’t about what to teach young men, it was how could society provide useful rites of passage for them transitioning to adulthood. And while I think having choice and learning how to make good choices is part of that, I also think that the elders have a responsibility to not just leave young people to it like they currently do.

                    • keepcalmcarryon

                      “What to teach young men? Same as everyone else: whatever they want to learn plus some basics that everyone gets.”

                      Seems to be working in our feminised schooling system ? Predominance of female teachers and teaching methods favouring female learning styles. A great way for males to start out feeling less able and confident.
                      That certainly is a balance that needs redressing now you mention it OAB, and a chance for more positive male role models at school.

                      [Aw gawd. Seriously? Don’t. You want to run this stuff, then do it on Open Mike.] – Bill

                  • Bill

                    Freedom would be nice. (Hmm – maybe a bit too socialist that one.)

              • Draco T Bastard

                He knows damn well that the policies that he supports brings it about and so he has to deny that truth.

            • keepcalmcarryon 2.1.4.1.1.2

              I dont like your toxic masculinity line, it sounds anti male.
              There are female suicide bombers too.
              We have a huge suicide problem amongst our young men which is never talked about, to me part of the reason is positive identity amidst constant negative male stereotypes. Give our boys and young men good role models and let them celebrate being men instead of constantly expecting them to apologise for it.
              Maybe you arent implying anything intentionally.

              • McFlock

                Well, I don’t know about “constantly apologising” for being male, but I think the role models and positive identity are good points.

                I tend toward the Marxist theory of alienation, where the system artificially makes individuals view each other as commodities.

                People (especially those who are further alienated because of cultural, social, or poverty reasons) look for communities to join and ways to become more than themselves. Become chosen, become loved, become respected, become famous, become powerful, make a splash. And then those folks (mostly male) encounter a cult recruiter, bomb maker, whatever. Or they just branch out on their own with an assault rifle or what have you.

              • greywarshark

                If the males are just being men and behaving in a positive way, there is nothing to apologise about.

              • weka

                I’m not a huge fan of the term ‘toxic masculinity’ myself, but I think the point here is to have a way to differentiate between what you describe (good role models, celebrating men, positive identity) from what society imposes on young men in particular that works against them (a whole bunch of negatives, and ways of behaving that become problems).

                • RedLogix

                  Totally agree with what you are saying here. No quibble with the notion of toxic masculinity at all. The problem for too many young men is a paucity of positive models to replace it with … which leaves them in an empty, deprived place that all too often feels ‘anti-male’.

                  Keep in mind the correlation between Rogernomics and the almost quadrupling on the young male suicide rate over the subsequent five years or so. More than anything else young men need to be demonstrate to themselves that they can be successful at something. Almost anything. Masculinity is an essentially performative act; deprive them of that opportunity, that purpose, the ability to define themselves in their 20’s … and there are always bad consequences.

                  Whether they take it out on themselves, or others.

            • mordecai 2.1.4.1.1.3

              Toxic masculinity and socio-economic problems cannot account for your examples, so by your logic they are not a root either.

      • Bill 2.1.5

        The common denominator in virtually all terror activity today is… fucked up people – not Islam or anything else – unless you want to argue that some forms of terror activity are carried out by people who aren’t fucked up in some way. You want to go there? I’m thinking not.

        So, what’s fucking them up?

        (Note – I’m not really so interested in what’s exploiting their fucked uppedness)

        • weka 2.1.5.1

          “So, what’s fucking them up?”

          And, once someone is fucked up, what can we do about it?

          • Bill 2.1.5.1.1

            Well, obviously it’s exploitable. So one thing would be to exploit it favourably as it were. Like I said up the top somewhere, six foot two and bullet proof allied with a head/heart full of motivation goes a long way.

            edit – which is to say, restore a sense of worth and purpose and well being that works both for them and for society. (Can you see the obvious barrier to that?)

            • weka 2.1.5.1.1.1

              I don’t know what that last sentence means.

            • weka 2.1.5.1.1.2

              I can see lots of barriers to that 🙂 Socio-economics, neoliberal capture of society, break down of community and family, identity conflict, lifelong socialisation. Perhaps you could be more specific.

              • Bill

                No. That was basically where my thoughts were on that – that we live in a culture/society that disempowers swathes of people – that diminishes and divides humanity.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  So practically speaking, we can take steps to significantly reduce inequality, and the resentments and divisions it fosters.

                  If there’s little that can be done about bigotry, bigots can still be denied a ready source of easy recruits.

                  • weka

                    yes, and I think that in order to have the political and social power to reduce inequality, we need to build bridges between opposing groups of people. If it were just a matter of us lefties knowing what do to we’d never have had neoliberalism ;-). So how do we convince enough of NZ for instance that the way to create wellbeing in society to via equality?

                    It’s why I found the US election debate so hard going. Lots of division, very little attempt to find ways to connect. I’m still wondering what’s happened to so many people in the US who aren’t political or left wing.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.5.1.2

            There are some good things happening in Pakistan. Not so much in the UK, where the ‘prevent’ strategy has become a toxic brand.

        • mordecai 2.1.5.2

          “So, what’s fucking them up?”
          Islam.
          Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.
          Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”
          Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

          • Sabine 2.1.5.2.1

            ever fucking read the bible?

            • mordecai 2.1.5.2.1.1

              How many Christians are using the Bible to justify killing tens of thousands of people?

              • McFlock

                Well, let me start the list off with George W Bush.

              • Dv

                Eg crusades.

                • mordecai

                  …were acts of warfare against invading/conquering armies, and were centuries ago.

              • woodpecker

                you for one

              • katipo

                Well I hazard a guess quite a few “Christians” had a hand in a lot of these post 2001 deaths…
                *Over 370,000 people have died due to direct war violence, and at least 800,000 more indirectly
                *200,000 civilians have been killed as a result of the fighting at the hands of all parties to the conflict
                *10.1 million — the number of war refugees and displaced persons
                *The US federal price tag for the post-9/11 wars is about 4.8 trillion dollars
                *The wars have been accompanied by violations of human rights and civil liberties, in the US and abroad
                *The wars did not result in inclusive, transparent, and democratic governments in Iraq or Afghanistan
                http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/

          • Bill 2.1.5.2.2

            So the kid in Birmingham or London or wherever, who has never read the Quran, is fucked up because of stuff written in the Quran. 🙄

            • RedLogix 2.1.5.2.2.1

              No the fucked up kid in Birmingham was happily exploited by fucked up fundies for their own political purposes.

              There are two components to what happened in Birmingham; absolutely one relates to alienated, dis-empowered young men like Abedi who terribly prone to being derailed into committing deranged acts. In that respect I totally agree with almost everything said so far.

              But this does not, cannot erase the political aspect; that fundamentalist Islam is a real political movement with values and aims antithetical to almost all notions of modern, liberal society.

              • Bill

                But this does not, cannot erase the political aspect; that…

                Sure. But as said elsewhere, toxic ideologies are ‘ten a penny’, and to hold whatever of them up as the only thing in the cross-hairs doesn’t get us anywhere, and often enough sets us back a step or three, eg – the ideologue who’s views harden when challenged logically, or the co-radicalisation that can emerge from such a focus.

              • mordecai

                Indeed.

            • mordecai 2.1.5.2.2.2

              It isn’t just knowledge of the Koran, it’s indoctrination of it’s twisted contents.
              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi-took-twisted-revenge-love-islam/

      • the pigman 2.1.6

        Actually, the common factor in terrorism and its perpetuation is “misrecognition” – the driving factor behind disconnection from civil society that enables terrorism’s perpetrators to “split” groups into good/bad.

        It’s no surprise that since 9/11 and the “War on Terror” began, the rate of deaths caused by terrorism has increased ten-fold.

        People like you, mordecai, perpetuate this cycle because you gleefully engage in misrecognition of the Other by saying “Duuh… Islam BAD.” To which those angry young men look at your society, from which you exclude them, and say “Derrp.. civil society BAD!”

        And so the bloodshed continues and escalates.

        • mordecai 2.1.6.1

          Bollocks. What utter drivel. Acts of terror in the name of Islam have been performed since the 7th century. It is a primitive death cult in whose name people were murdering innocents long before 911.

    • Bill 2.2

      Would it be fair to say then that white supremacy is also incidental?

      Yes. Toxic ideologies are “ten a penny”. Our time would be better spent on eradicating the conditions that act as spring-board for them, rather than just constantly decrying their toxicity.

      Also. When was the last time you ran into an ideologue and changed their mind or world view by dint of reasoned debate/argument? I’ve run into a few in my life, and I’ve never known that approach to yield results. If anything, it can tend to harden their stance.

      Then there’s the whole danger of tarring entire groups of people with the same brush. If I run around spouting Islamophobic stuff, I’m helping to create or maintain an atmosphere that some will see or use as an excuse to kick in the heads of people just because they’ve walked out of a Mosque, or dressed in a particular way, or whatever.

      • RedLogix 2.2.1

        I’m sorry but what you are saying here is akin to describing the Holocaust as ‘fucked up behaviour by a number of authoritarian, prison camp militia’ … and relegating political Nazism as ‘incidental’.

        • Bill 2.2.1.1

          What were the underlying factors that gave rise to fascism and nazism?

          Unless none existed, then yes, their rise is incidental to those underlying conditions…ie – it could have been something else equally or even more heinous that rose in their stead.

          The Holocaust on the other hand was a direct result of Nazism having risen.

          edit – Because of underlying factors, Nazism rises, because Nazism rises, the Holocaust happens.

          • RedLogix 2.2.1.1.1

            I’ll reply here. Simply put … if only a small fraction of what the Yazidi people report about ISIS (the currently most visible incarnation of fundie Islam is true) then minimising such an ideology as ‘incidental’ frankly gives me the creeps.

            Don’t misrepresent me here; what you are saying about ‘underlying causes’ resonates very strongly with me. Yet here are some of the characteristics of ALL extremist ideologies:

            1. Totally against any compromise with the other side and intensely demonise them
            2. Entirely sure of their position.
            3. Advocate and sometimes use violence to achieve their ends.
            4. Highly polarised down racial, nationalistic or cultural lines
            5. Deeply intolerant of dissent within their group.

            ISIS and all the other nutter Islamists tick all these boxes in bright neon highlighter.

            My primary political model is Eric Blair. Here is a man who understood and wrote about underlying causes more intimately than any other in his age. Yet he also stood defiantly against both Fascism and Stalinism, both ultimately political manifestations of that authoritarianism which paints such broad streak down the underbelly of humanity. And I strive to resist in all it’s forms.

            I get the logic of your argument Bill. It makes good sense to shift the focus of the debate away from a seductively superficial demonisation of Islam. But we are all shaped by our experiences, and like Psycho Milt, I’ve been too personally and closely exposed to the intolerant, bigoted and dangerous aspects of fundamentalist Islam to give it the free pass you seem to be happy to hand out here.

            • Bill 2.2.1.1.1.1

              The ideology in and of itself, can be any ideology that finds a way to hook into people and encourage them to do heinous shit. The precise characteristics of the ideology are irrelevant.

              That’s not to minimising the real world effects of any given ideology or giving out any ‘free passes’.

              Wahhabism as it exists in Saudi Arabia where it’s, I was going to say institutionalised, but I guess it actually is the establishment – has now extended its influence to encompass regions of Syria and Iraq and Libya and the Yemen, and is akin to any heinous ideology that gains and extends power (eg – fascism or nazism or state communism).

              And the question isn’t about whether a ‘free pass’ is being given or not -of minimising the real world consequences of that extension of power (in this case) through the ME and N. Africa, but about understanding how it manages to export to ‘the west’ and hook into people.

              That doesn’t happen in a vacuum. It’s not people experiencing some spontaneous “change in consciousness”. There are reasons and/or circumstances that enable it to happen.

              And the ideology can be Wahhibism/Salafism, or it can be white supremacy or whatever…it’s all the same in the context of people ‘being hooked in’ – ie, there is something wrong here, with us, with our society that we should be paying attention to.

              • RedLogix

                Fair enough … I think we’ve managed to converge the conversation to within touching distance.

          • John 2.2.1.1.2

            Hitler was very Pro-Islamic in his quotes “The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France”.

            Islam allied with the Nazi’s with Gran Mufti Amin al-Husseini who met Hitler in 1941. Below is from the Islamic hadith.

            “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).” – Sahih Muslim, 41:6985

            Khalid al-Hud al-Gargani of Saudi Arabia said Muhammad acted the same exact way as Hitler in driving the Jews out of Arabia just as Hitler drove the Jews out of Germany.

            Bosnian Muslims fought in the Nazi Waffen-SS. 16 Islamic countries currently ban Israeli Jews from entering their country.

  3. joe90 3

    Before someone says the Muslim community needs to do more, this.

    The missed opportunities to catch Abedi were beginning to mount up last night. The Telegraph has spoken to a community leader who said that Abedi was reported two years ago “because he thought he was involved in extremism and terrorism”.

    Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, said: “People in the community expressed concerns about the way this man was behaving and reported it in the right way using the right channels.

    “They did not hear anything since.”

    Two friends of Abedi also became so worried they separately telephoned the police counter-terrorism hotline five years ago and again last year.

    “They had been worried that ‘he was supporting terrorism’ and had expressed the view that ‘being a suicide bomber was ok’,” a source told the BBC.

    Akram Ramadan, 49, part of the close-knit Libyan community in south Manchester, said Abedi had been banned from Didsbury Mosque after he had confronted the Imam who was delivering an anti-extremist sermon.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/security-services-missed-five-opportunities-stop-manchester/

    • North 3.1

      Well spotted with that link Joe90. The likes of Mordecai offer far less sensible comment. Exacerbate hatred first then look for the practical ‘right-now’ answer. Which given the exacerbated hatred will likely be unefficacious or misdirected or too late as might be thought re the latest perpetrator.

      On a lighter note (horrifically) there’s not much that’s helpful about Trump’s “Losers!” input. Looks too much like Trump strutting past Trump Tower in a world where all that ulitmately matters and all that works is bellicose executive dictate. Soundbite from the ‘Greatest Show On Earth’, the campaign. Whom amongst world leaders having the power to make input really believe that’s the way to go ?

      Really.

      • joe90 3.1.1

        The likes of Mordecai

        Terror attacks are intended to provoke hysteria and overreactions and fuckwits like mordecai oblige the perpetrators with their hysteria and overreaction.

    • Bill 4.1

      I actually get a bit depressed over this ‘expectation’ that the Muslim community should constantly offer up a loud voice of condemnation. It kind of plays into the superficial analysis that yes, maybe terrorism does actually arise from something inherent to Islam.

      • McFlock 4.1.1

        Sometimes it seems to me that it’s the groups of people who insist that Muslims should constantly condemn “Islamic” extremism who also get outraged when, say, Cunliffe addresses men’s violence against women.

        Dissonance can be a funnything, I guess.

    • Seems like a lot of communities should condemn like pretty much all of them/us

    • Tony Veitch (not the partner-bashing 3rd rate broadcaster 4.3

      http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

      Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!

      Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defence of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

      • Bill 4.3.1

        You just linked to a hate site, why?

        • Gabby 4.3.1.1

          Is it a hate site or a disagreeswithbill site?

          • Bill 4.3.1.1.1

            By all means, go have a look. No-one’s stopping you.

            As well as rabidly anti-Islamic tosh, it does throw in a bit of anti-Catholicism around the origins of torture. I guess that was their idea of balance. Please don’t take that suggestion seriously – I’m being sarcastic.

            Seems they’re in the business of building up, not just an anti-Islamic Christian mneme, but a Protestant one to boot.

            • Tony Veitch (not the partner-bashing 3rd rate broadcaster 4.3.1.1.1.1

              Yes, you are correct, Bill, I should not have linked to that particular site – but I wanted to point out that Islam sanctions lying to non-believers.

              I have no doubt that many many of the imams who condemn violence in the name of Islam are genuine – but they are allowed to lie!

              I should have quoted directly from the Quran, but didn’t have time.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 4.3.2

        Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so

        So do Christians.

        Low-life politicians tell lies too.

        I missed the part where you demonstrated that eg: John Phillip Key’s behaviour can be smeared onto all New Zealanders.

        • John 4.3.2.1

          Christianity is much less of a threat today then Islam. Jesus Christ wasn’t a illiterate tribal warlord who spread the faith by the sword like Muhammad was & Christianity today certainly doesn’t think its okay to kill apostates who leave the religion unlike Islam still does.

          Many ex-Muslims fear for their lives in the West because as soon as their family, communities find out about their apostasy they either exile them or kill them.

          Several stories of Muslim migrants in the West are violently attacking & even killing homosexuals.

          52% of British Muslims believe homosexuality in the UK should be illegal.

          One Syrian woman who fled to Germany after she was gang raped was stabbed to death by her own Islamic family who branded her “unclean”.

  4. adam 5

    Two for one in the Philippians as we speak, with both side resorting to violence http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/philippines-army-arrives-islamic-state-linked-militants-go-rampage/

    I get that the president there is trying to sort out the economic nightmare the country is in which feed extremist. For a country with such high levels of poverty I’m surprised this has not happened sooner.

    A colleague of mine is from the same Provence and she was freaking out last night as the army went in, she had a good point. Whilst the army and violence may end this current crisis, violence means nothing for the future of people, who think they have no future. If you have nothing to lose, then nothing is lost. (paraphrasing her, not a direct quote)

  5. Theresa May’s War on Terrorism was most probably launched to look tough for the elections. It would have been launched without thought for the fact that whilst the U.K. is an American lackey and funds and arms despots, if those weapons are then turned on the U.K. it only has itself to blame.

  6. Adrian 7

    This may be bullshit but I have read somewhere that the most common investigators thing find in the home of young Brits like Abedi is a copy of Islam for Dummies.
    These attacks are more about anger and revenge for who knows what slights.
    I don’t even know if it is a book.

    • Bill 7.1

      The book thing’s irrelevant.

      Hell, for those that burn down mosques and what not, maybe an internet history that always contains trash like that linked to by Tony Veitch (not the partner-bashing 3rd rate broadcaster) at 4.3 above.

  7. Lara 8

    The most common attribute of mass killers? Close to 98% male.

    But we’re not allowed to talk about that now are we Bill. And others.

    Men on the left don’t like it.

    • keepcalmcarryon 8.1

      The grown ups are talking about it (“toxic masculinity”) above if you’d care to join in.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 8.2

      98% male

      ^^^this too.

      • keepcalmcarryon 8.2.1

        Put your stilted gender stereotypes aside and open both eyes.

        https://warontherocks.com/2015/12/femme-fatale-the-rise-of-female-suicide-bombers/

        “The number of women involved in suicide bombings is increasing, partly due to groups like Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, the Taliban, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). These groups are using women to commit attacks against security forces and local populations. States should be concerned about female suicide bombers’ role in creating instability. ”

        “Throughout history, women have participated directly and indirectly in extremist organizations. According to a study conducted by Yoram Schweitzer, between 1985 and 2006, female bombers committed more than 220 suicide attacks, representing nearly 15 percent of the overall number of such bombings.”

        “Studies suggest that women comprised 30 percent of the LTTE, 30–40 percent of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and 40 percent of Peru’s Shining Path”

        So, women increasingly used as bombers , averaging 15% of bombings to 2006 and increasing (who knows what percent now?).

        Interesting to note http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10576100801925695?src=recsys&journalCode=uter20

        “A log-linear analysis found that female suicide terrorists were motivated more by Personal events, whereas males were motivated more by Religious/nationalistic factors. Females were equally likely as males to be recruited through peer influence, exploitation, or self promotion, whereas males were more likely to be recruited as a result of religious persuasion. The results highlight the need for continued research into female terrorism”

        • Bill 8.2.1.1

          Perhaps Lara was referring to what we might term criminal acts in the context of civil society as opposed to acts in war zones or acts of terrorism? I dunno and she might enlighten you, but then, I suspect she just dropped in to ‘poop and go’.

          • keepcalmcarryon 8.2.1.1.1

            She plucked an easily googled statistic off the web that I believe refers to mass killing gun violence in america and is irrelevant regarding a terrorist bombing in the UK.

            She probably isnt aware most bombings happen in countries where there isnt a women only gym.

          • Lara 8.2.1.1.2

            To some extent you’re right Bill.

            I was referring to acts outside of war.

            And if we want to include the Kurds we could claim women are responsible for much more violence.

            And I’m not “pooping and going”. So much as disillusioned with the conversation here at TS. And the left in general.

            So I rarely read it, and almost never comment anymore.

            • Bill 8.2.1.1.2.1

              I get the disillusion and sorry for making the assumption. The solution is to shape to some extend – via submitting posts (as opposed to comments). 😉

        • Stuart Munro 8.2.1.2

          Your point is slightly diluted by Al Shabaab meaning ‘the Boys’.

  8. Tui 9

    Islam is the only religion that protects women from rape!

    • John 9.1

      Nonsense, explain Rotherham & all the mass sexual assaults by Muslim Asylum seeker men across Europe towards Women,Girls.

      Women in the Islamic world when raped get stoned to death as rape is considered adultery under Islamic law.

      Islam doesn’t protect Women it oppresses them. A woman’s testimony is worth half of a man & women inherit half of the inheritance compared to a man in Islam.

      Gender segregation with women sitting at the back of room at Islamic meetings & praying separately to men.

      Go look at how women dressed in Iran before the Iranian Islamic revolution compared to now. Iranian women used to dress just like western women do today.

      Women go to jail for reporting rape in Islamic countries.

      Muhammad had sex slaves (Concubines) who were the wives of the men he killed.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.1

        This is just like the responsibility you bear for Christian rapists like the Parker-Hales gang, Skipton, Schollum and Rickards. Let’s bomb you.

  9. NZJester 10

    More people have been killed in the US by Christian Terrorist, White Supremacist, and so-called militia groups than have been killed by Muslim Terrorists. When you look at how many were killed in the 9/11attack by Muslim Terrorists and know that they didn’t even come close to the numbers killed over the decades by the Christian Terrorist, White Supremacist, and militia groups, you have to wonder why there is not more focus on tackling their own homegrown terrorists in the US the majority of whom claim to be Christian.

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    1 week ago
  • Covid and free speech
    by Don Franks Some commentators have likened the struggle against Covid 19 to the world war experience. To those of us not alive in those times, that comparison can only be academic. What the anti virus battle reminds me of much more is an industrial strike. In my twenties and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Angry Blowhards”
    In today’s Herald, their excellent columnist, Simon Wilson, takes to task those “shouty” people whom he further describes as “angry blowhards”. They are those whose prime reaction to the pandemic is anger – an anger they seamlessly (and perhaps unwittingly) transfer from the virus to the government. The basis for ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Looking Forward To 2022.
    Future Tense? Okay, so that’s where we are in 2022. Living in a New Zealand where all the usual rules of politics once again apply. And, guess what? Jacinda’s government, once again, isn’t doing very well – not very well at all.LET’S PLAY A GAME. Let’s pretend we’re half-way through ...
    1 week ago
  • Gordon Campbell on Covid mandates, and the Covid pill
    The cliché about “living with Covid” will not mean life as we’ve known it, Jim. Vaccination is fast becoming a condition of employment, and also a requirement to participate in aspects of social life, such as travel, attending bars, cafes, and concerts etc. These protective measures enjoy a high level ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 12 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Prof Alan Bollard, Professor of Practice at the School of Government, Victoria University of Wellington; Chair of the Infrastructure Commission: “NZ Politics Daily” provides a great public service – a quick and unbiased way to check policy announcements and analysis every morning.” Anyone can sign up to NZPD ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Legal Beagle: A submission on the COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2)
    I have made a submission on the COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2).In preparing it, I looked at the Hansard for the first reading debate, and got name-dropped as someone likely to make a submission. So, of course I did. I focus on a small bit of the ...
    1 week ago
  • Hard News: More tales from the Medicinal Cannabis Scheme
    You may have read last week that two years after the publication of regulations for medicinal cannabis – and three years after the enabling legislation – two local products from a local manufacturer have finally met the minimum quality standards for prescription. You may also be interested to know that ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Real action requires government
    Over the weekend someone pointed me at a journal article on "The Poverty of Theory: Public Problems, Instrument Choice, and the Climate Emergency". Its a US law journal article, so is a) very long; and b) half footnotes (different disciplines have different norms), but the core idea is that the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Not doing our bit
    Last month the US and EU announced they would push an agreement to cut methane emissions by 30% (from 2020 levels) by 2030 at the upcoming climate change conference in Glasgow. The good news is that New Zealand is looking at joining it. The bad news is that that won't ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Delta’s Week Of Doom.
    Classic Shot: Are the Prime Minister’s formidable communication skills equal to the task of getting her government’s anti-Covid campaign back on track?IF JACINDA ARDERN thought last week was bad, the week ahead promises to be even worse. Sixty community cases of Covid-19, one of the highest daily totals so far ...
    1 week ago
  • Urgent measures needed to allow the safe re-opening of Auckland schools
    Dr Rachel Webb, Dr Jin Russell, Dr Pip Anderson, Dr Emma Best, Dr Alison Leversha and Dr Subha Rajanaidu* In this blog we describe the range of urgent measures that are needed to facilitate a safe return to schools in Auckland and other regions of the country where there is ...
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    1 week ago
  • Children live online more than ever – we need better definitions of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ scree...
    Kathryn MacCallum, University of Canterbury and Cheryl Brown, University of Canterbury   The pandemic has fundamentally altered every part of our lives, not least the time we spend on digital devices. For young people in particular, the blurred line between recreational and educational screen time presents new challenges we are ...
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    1 week ago
  • Putting Aotearoa on the map: New Zealand has changed its name before, why not again?
    Claire Breen, University of Waikato; Alexander Gillespie, University of Waikato; Robert Joseph, University of Waikato, and Valmaine Toki, University of Waikato   Our names are a critical part of our identity. They are a personal and social anchor tying us to our families, our culture, our history and place in ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Yes, of course festival organisers will follow the law on vaccination
    On Tuesday 5 October the New Zealand Government announced that proof of COVID-19 vaccination would be a requirement to attend large events this summer.It took a few days for event owners to absorb the information and understand the implications. By the end of the working week, most of the big ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 11 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Jim Hubbard, Cartoonist “NZ Politics daily is a go to for cartoonists, or should be.  Political reporting enmasse like this gives cartoonists and political junkies a smorgasbord to get their teeth into. Essential and I daresay vital reading for those who care about the future of NZ.” Anyone can sign ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • 2021 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #41
    Listing of articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, October 3, 2021 through Sat, October 9, 2021 The following articles sparked above average interest during the week: VFX Artist Reveals how Many Solar Panels are Needed to Power the ENTIRE World, Will you fall ...
    1 week ago
  • The Night of Parmenides: accepted
    A bit of good news on the writing front. My 3900-word short story, The Night of Parmenides, has been accepted by SpecFicNZ for their upcoming Aftermath anthology, to be published in early 2022. This is my first published short story to be explicitly set in my home-town of ...
    1 week ago
  • The Virus, the Politician, and the gang member
    . . . . . References Newshub Nation: Gang leader Harry Tam denies Winston Peters’ claims he helped infected woman breach COVID boundary, sparking Northland lockdown Te Ao News: ‘Apologise!’ Mob leader slams Peters’ Covid, Northland allegations Stuff media: Covid-19 – Search for contact of Northland case ‘extraordinarily frustrating’ CNBC: ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Rapid kits, responses, and openings: watch motivations, or catch something worse with Covid…
    Last week was probably a high point for many armchair “experts”, fresh from their high after some deep inhaling of the various musings and fumings, of an actually very smug, and very insualted John “Things all work for me…” Key, former Prime Minister and FOREX trader, had blitzed the ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • Bollocks
    It would appear we have an unwelcome presence in town.Positive wastewater results had been detected in Hamilton and Palmerston North on October 6 and 7. There are 26 cases in hospital, seven of these are in ICU or high dependency units (HDU).One of the people in hospital is in Palmerston ...
    2 weeks ago
  • World-leading?
    So, the Herald has found someone, as we can see from today’s issue, who is able to explain why we should not claim to have been “world-leading” in our response to the covid epidemic. It seems that we have been kidding ourselves when we celebrated our low total number of ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Why Is Labour So Frightened Of “Mr Stick”?
    Force Multiplier: Why are Ardern and her ministers so loathe to put a bit of stick about? The “emergency” legislation eventually enacted to authorise the measures needed to combat the Covid-19 pandemic failed to confer upon the New Zealand Government the unequivocal authority that subsequent events showed to be so ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The Need for an Updated Strategic Approach to Covid-19 Control in Aotearoa NZ
    Prof Nick Wilson, Dr Jennifer Summers, Prof Michael Baker* The NZ Government appears to have drifted into an unclear strategic approach to Covid-19 control. In this blog we outline one potential way forward: a regional strategic approach that considers “regional suppression” and “regional elimination”. To maximise the success of this ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago
  • Mairon: The Actual Source for the Blasted Name
    Long-time Tolkien geeks – or those bemused enough to run across a certain internet phenomenon – might know that ‘Sauron’ is not actually the real name of the Lord of the Ring. ‘Sauron’ is just an abusive Elvish nickname, meaning ‘the Abhorred.’ Sauron’s actual name, at least originally, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Forced Re-entry
    The elimination of Covid strategy is not so much defeated but changing circumstances means that policy has to evolve. Our elimination stance was never sustainable or at least it would not be until the rest of the world also eliminated Covid-19. Elimination of the virus was a strategy we adopted ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 weeks ago
  • Repeal this unjust law
    Yesterday the Supreme Court ruled on National's unjust "three strikes" law, and found that the sentence it required was (in the case in question) so disproportionate as to "shock the conscience" and violate the Bill of Rights Act ban on disproportionately severe treatment or punishment: The Supreme Court has ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Preparing for the flood
    The Christchurch City Council has published new "coastal hazards" data, indicating which places are under threat from sea-level rise. And its not good news: Parts of Christchurch and Banks Peninsula are likely to become unhabitable [sic] as the city council figures out how to adapt to sea level ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The Virus, Not The Government
    I wonder if Mike Hosking ever reads the paper in which he appears so regularly? If he does, he might have noticed a report in today’s Herald about the problem that could face churches in Auckland if a vaccine passport becomes mandatory for those wishing to attend church services. The ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago

  • Guaranteed MIQ spots for health workers
    The Government is changing the way managed isolation is co-ordinated for health workers, guaranteeing 300 spots a month for the health and disability sector. “Our world-class workforce is vital in rebuilding the health system and dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic,” Andrew Little said. “Whether it’s bringing doctors or nurses in ...
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    14 mins ago
  • Govt helps to protect New Zealanders digital identities
    Making it easier for New Zealanders to safely prove who they are digitally and control who has access to that information is one step closer to becoming law, Minister for Digital Economy and Communications, Dr David Clark said. The Digital Identity Services Trust Framework Bill passed its first reading today ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    31 mins ago
  • Red tape cut to boost housing supply
    New building intensification rules will mean up to three homes of up to three storeys can be built on most sites without the need for a resource consent New rules will result in at least 48,200 and as many as 105,500 new homes built in next 5-8 years Bringing forward ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago
  • Nationwide business partnership grows conservation jobs
    Further Government support for New Zealand’s longest-standing sustainable business organisation will open up opportunities for dozens of workers impacted by COVID-19 to jump start a nature-based career, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. Partnering to Plant Aotearoa, led by the Sustainable Business Network (SBN), is a collaboration with iwi, hapū and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Zealand increases climate aid contribution
    Government commits $1.3 billion over four years to support countries most vulnerable to the effects of climate change At least 50 percent of funding will go to the Pacific as it adapts to the impacts of climate change The increase means New Zealand now meets its fair share of global ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Super Māori turnout for Super Saturday
    Māori have put a superb effort into mobilising to get vaccinated over Super Saturday, with thousands rolling up their sleeves to protect themselves, their whānau and communities from COVID-19, Associate Health Minister Peeni Henare says. “It was absolutely outstanding that 21,702 Māori got vaccinated on this one day alone with 10,825 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Language assists Tagata Niue to thrive
    Despite the uncertain times we face with the challenges of COVID-19, our cultural knowledge, values and language remain constant, helping us progress towards goals in life, said  the Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio. This year, the Niuean community in New Zealand decided on the theme, “Kia tupuolaola e ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand Ambassador to France announced
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced the appointment of Caroline Bilkey as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to France and the OECD. “Aotearoa New Zealand and France have a shared history, and enjoy a strong, collaborative partnership. This includes a strong trade and economic relationship, a shared commitment to support ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Govt welcomes nurses’ pay settlement
    The Government is welcoming news that a new employment agreement for nurses working in public hospitals has been settled. “I am very pleased that the hard work of the Nurses Organisation and District Health Boards has led to a settlement that both can support,” Health Minister Andrew Little said today. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Judge of the High Court appointed
    Māori Land Court Judge Layne Harvey has been appointed a Judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Harvey graduated with an LLB from the University of Auckland in 1992 and commenced employment as a law clerk with Simpson Grierson in Auckland that same year. In 1997 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Kiwis to have their say on plan to reduce waste
    New Zealanders are invited to have their say on proposals for a new waste strategy and options for new waste legislation. “Reducing waste is one of the issues all New Zealanders – especially younger Kiwis - care deeply about,” Environment Minister David Parker said today “New Zealand is one of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Next steps in action plan for indigenous rights kicks off
    Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson has today meet with more than 30 national Māori organisations in an online hui, kicking off the process to develop a plan for New Zealand to implement the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (the Declaration). The previous National Government signed ...
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    6 days ago
  • Iwi-led housing solutions build homes for the future
    Whai Kāinga, Whai Oranga will open on 20 October, to receive applications for investment through Te Tūāpapa Kura Kāinga – Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and Te Puni Kōkiri The $730m fund combines investment from Budget 2021 ($380m) and the Māori Infrastructure Fund ($350m) - the largest investment seen ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • E whakarite ana Te Kāwanatanga i ngā tūāpapa mō twhakamaumahara ki Te Petihana Reo Māori ka t...
    I te rā nei, i pānuihia e te Minita mō Manatū Taonga, ko Carmel Sepuloni, rāua ko te Minita Whanaketanga Māori, ko Willie Jackson, ā tērā tau, ka whakanuia rawatia te 50 o ngā tau mai i te whakatakotoranga o te petihana mō te Reo Māori me te huanga mai ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • E whakarite ana Te Kāwanatanga i ngā tūāpapa mō tewhakamaumahara ki Te Petihana Reo Māori ka t...
    I te rā nei, i pānuihia e te Minita mō Manatū Taonga, ko Carmel Sepuloni, rāua ko te Minita Whanaketanga Māori, ko Willie Jackson, ā tērā tau, ka whakanuia rawatia te 50 o ngā tau mai i te whakatakotoranga o te petihana mō te Reo Māori me te huanga mai ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Government green lights rapid antigen testing
    Some of the country’s largest businesses have put in an order for 300,000 approved rapid antigen tests for their workforce, after working at pace with the Government on a new scheme unveiled by Associate Minister of Health and Research, Science and Innovation Ayesha Verrall. A coalition of around 25 businesses ...
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    6 days ago
  • Government lays foundations as Māori Language Petition commemorations take shape for 2022
    Taiaha hā! Taiaha hā! - Te kairangi o te reo hoki mai ki taku tikanga, ki taku taumata, ki taku reo, ki taku ao. He reo whai tikanga, he reo whai mana, he reo whai tangata koe. Ki te whāngaihia te reo Māori he ao tēnā, ki te kore he ...
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    6 days ago
  • Major contract awarded to power NZ Battery investigation
    A consortium of specialist firms has been awarded a major contract to advance the New Zealand Battery Project’s feasibility investigation into a pumped hydro storage scheme at Lake Onslow, the Minister of Energy and Resources Megan Woods has announced. “This contract represents a major milestone as it begins the targeted ...
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    6 days ago
  • Additional Funding for Foodbanks and Social Agencies
    The Government has approved $13.55m from the Covid Response and Recovery Fund to support foodbanks and social sector agencies, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni has announced. “Foodbanks and social agencies across Auckland are doing a great job supporting their communities and the Government is today providing them with more ...
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    7 days ago
  • Generating a new generation of guardians
    The Government is supporting a Whakatōhea-led project undertaking landscape scale restoration in forests and around vulnerable rivers within the Eastern Bay of Plenty, Minister of Conservation Kiri Allan says. “The Whakatōhea Tiaki Taiao project will employ four people to undertake pest and weed control, ecosystem restoration and monitoring over three ...
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    7 days ago
  • Parts of Waikato, Northland staying at Alert Level 3
    The parts of Waikato that have been in Alert Level 3 and Northland will remain in Alert Level 3 for a few more days, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. Auckland remains at Alert Level 3, Step 1. “Based on the latest public health information, ministers have decided that ...
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    7 days ago
  • New courthouses for Tauranga and Whanganui
    The Government is moving ahead with new courthouses in Tauranga and Whanganui, which the Justice Minister says provide an opportunity to redesign court facilities that help put victims at the heart of the justice system. “These courthouses are part of the 10-year infrastructure investment plan to restore and modernise Ministry ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech on the launch of the consultation on the development of the Emissions Reduction Plan
    Tēnā koutou katoa. Ngā mihi o te ata. Earlier this month Save the Children wrote to me with their most up to date analysis on the impact of climate change. What they said was that children born in Aotearoa today will experience up to five times as many heatwaves and ...
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    1 week ago
  • Opportunity to shape NZ’s first Emissions Reduction Plan
    The Government is inviting New Zealanders to inform the country’s first Emissions Reduction Plan with the release of a consultation document containing a range of policy ideas to decrease the country’s emissions, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Climate Change Minister James Shaw announced today. The Emissions Reduction Plan will set ...
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    1 week ago
  • Convention on Biological Diversity COP 15, Virtual High-Level Segment
    Kia ora koutou katoa. I want to thank China for hosting this critically important Conference of the Parties. We are all here for the same reason. Biodiversity loss, and the ongoing degradation of nature, are accelerating at an unprecedented rate. These losses are causing irreparable harm to our planet’s ability ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government books show resilient and strong economy
    The end of year audited Crown accounts released today show the Government’s health led approach to the COVID-19 pandemic has protected New Zealand’s economy. “On almost every indicator the accounts show that the New Zealand economy has performed better than forecast, even as recently as the Budget in May. It ...
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    1 week ago
  • ​​​​​​​Health system is ready for assisted-dying law
    The health system is ready for the implementation of the End of Life Choice Act when it takes effect next month, making assisted dying legal in New Zealand, Health Minister Andrew Little said today. The law received 65.1 per cent support in a public referendum held alongside last year’s general ...
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    1 week ago
  • Taking a lead in threat to curious kea
    Reducing lead poisoning of kea, the world’s only alpine parrot and one-time New Zealand bird of the year winner, is the goal of a two year project being backed by the Government’s Jobs for Nature programme, Minister of Conservation Kiri Allan says.  “Lead poisoning is a serious threat to this ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government provides certainty to working holiday and seasonal visa holders and employers for summer
    The Government will extend Working Holiday visas and Supplementary Seasonal Employment (SSE) work visas for six months to provide more certainty to employers and visa holders over the coming summer period, Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi has announced. “This offers employers and visa holders the certainty they’ve been asking for going ...
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    1 week ago
  • Lower card fees good for businesses, consumers
    The Bill to help lower the cost of the fees retailers get charged for offering contactless and debit payment options is another step closer to becoming law, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Dr David Clark said today. “COVID-19 has changed the way we spend our money, with online and contactless ...
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    1 week ago
  • Mandatory vaccination for two workforces
    High-risk workers in the health and disability sector to be fully vaccinated by 1 December, 2021, and to receive their first dose by 30 October School and early learning staff and support people who have contact with children and students to be fully vaccinated by 1 January, 2022, and to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Fund allows more Pacific community led vaccinations
    The Government has made $1.1 million available through ‘The Prepare Pacific Community Vaccination Fund’ to directly support Pacific community-led initiatives towards increasing vaccinations, said Associate Minister of Health, Aupito William Sio. “The best way to protect our communities from COVID-19 is through vaccination. “We need to explore every avenue to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Small business at heart of economic recovery across APEC region
    The Minister for Small Business says support for small and medium enterprises will remain ongoing as the Asia-Pacific region moves through response and recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. Stuart Nash today chaired a virtual summit from Wellington for the APEC Small and Medium Enterprises Ministerial Meeting (SMEMM). “APEC Ministers responsible ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Restrictions on abortion medication lifted for health practitioners
    Abortion services can now be provided in primary care, meaning people can access this care from someone like their trusted GP and in a familiar setting, Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. “By lifting some restrictions on the funded medications used for early medical abortions, more health ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Record day for Māori vaccinations
    More than 10,000 vaccinations were administered to Māori yesterday, the highest number in the vaccine campaign so far, Associate Minister of Health (Maori Health) Peeni Henare announced. There were 10,145 doses administered across the motu yesterday this is almost equivalent to the population of Hāwera. The doses are made up ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Statement on Joint Cooperation in Agriculture between Ireland and New Zealand
    8 October 2021 - Dublin, Ireland Agriculture plays an important role in the economic, social, environmental, and cultural wellbeing of Ireland and New Zealand. We are focused on increasing the productivity, inclusivity, and resilience of our respective primary sectors. As agri-food exporting nations, we also share a commitment to a ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Northland to move to Alert Level 3 tonight
    Northland will move to Alert Level 3 restrictions from 11:59pm tonight following recent information on the risk presented by the positive case initially tested in Whangarei earlier this week and confirmed in Auckland yesterday, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said. The person is now in an Auckland Managed Isolation Quarantine ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Prime Minister's Christmas Card Competition
    It’s that time of year again! If you’d like to help design the Prime Minister’s official Christmas card, here’s how to take part: Draw, paint, sketch or craft an image you’d like to see on the front of this year’s Christmas card. It can be anything you want – a traditional ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Speech : Pacific Public Sector Fono – Friday 8th October 2021
    Greetings and Acknowledgements and Warm Pacific Greetings to one and all. It’s a privilege to be able to join with you this afternoon and share some remarks on how important you are to our communities throughout Aotearoa, and across the Pacific region. COVID-19 has been described as a one in ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Pacific Public Sector Fono – Friday 8th October 2021
    Greetings and Acknowledgements and Warm Pacific Greetings to one and all. It’s a privilege to be able to join with you this afternoon and share some remarks on how important you are to our communities throughout Aotearoa, and across the Pacific region. COVID-19 has been described as a one in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago