Why Labour thinks it can win again

Written By: - Date published: 1:30 pm, July 29th, 2008 - 54 comments
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Here’s a well-reasoned article by Therese Arseneau in which she canvasses the reasons behind Labour thinking it can still win.

She puts it down to: MMP, their ‘core vote’, voter mobilisation, National’s policies, Helen Clark herself and a bit of a mix of good management and good luck.

Definitely worth a read.

54 comments on “Why Labour thinks it can win again”

  1. Fascinating and deeply disturbing.

    “more New Zealanders identified themselves as Labour supporters than National supporters.” Given the damage Labour and the left have done to the economy and future growth prospects it looks like nothing less than a crisis will galvanize Labour or National into making the necessary changes. Boiled frog anyone ?

  2. outofbed 2

    “Given the damage Labour and the left have done to the economy”
    yeah those really LOW unemployment figures and high growth kiwisaver and the Cullen fund has really damaged the economy.
    There is that tiny little crisis on the horizon though I think it may have something to do with climate change
    You watch the Green vote shoot upwards when there is no ice at the North pole in Sept/Oct 😉

  3. Edosan 3

    Yeah, I predict a lot of undecideds will flock towards the greens towards the election. Though they have to get the campaign right. And, if the assumptions in this article are correct,it may come at labour’s expense.

  4. lprent 4

    Bryan: How exactly has Labour damaged the economy? You seem to have quite an obsession about it that doesn’t appear to be supported by any ‘facts’ that you’ve presented on this site over the months. Personally I’d say that you have been torn to pieces so many times that I’ve lost count.

    In my political lifetime all major damage has been done by the Nat’s on almost every conceivable long-term measure you want to take.

    Quote simply the Nat’s have proved themselves to be totally inadequate at doing anything with positive long-term implications. It doesn’t matter if it is Muldoon, Bolger, or the current pretender – they all seem to be short-term thinkers about what is required for sustained economic growth.

    Please, when you answer, could you please desist from linking to meaningless peanut graphs. You can prove anything if you look at small (and very selective) data samples with no data attribution. Hell – most of your linked graphs are somewhat short on even the basic – axes detail. They are the type of crap that I’d give a credulous marketeer as a pep up just before sending them on a hopeless sales mission (I don’t think even they would be convinced).

    Then at least we’ll be able to let some of the commentators here (including me) to help tear your wee obsession to something like reality.

  5. Aj 5

    There is almost certainty that the ice melt will be less than 2007. Nevertheless green core support should hold over 5%

  6. Rob 6

    On the day that you just got another pasting in the polls you try and gain some solace from that!! Give me a break talk about clutching at straws!! You really are a desperate lot. What about the fact that there is more than likely going to be a low vote turn out for Labour this will have a much bigger impact on the Labour Party vote than anything else.

    The boys in blue will be out in force as they want to get rid off the Fabian Socialists as quick ass possible. Will be a record vote for National 70 seats in the house may be understated.

    Bring on the Election as soon as possible please!!

  7. outofbed 7

    I just looked at the latest Herald Poll it seems to have a sample size of 660 people if you take off the 14.3% of undecided
    would it not be more informative to say
    of the 770 people asked 47.5% preferred Nats 25% Labour and 5% Greens
    with 14.4% don’t know. or have I read it incorrectly?

  8. Higherstandard 8


    “You can prove anything if you look at small (and very selective) data samples with no data attribution. ”

    I agree completely, this is the point I was trying to make to SP on the last couple of “fact” threads he has posted but to no avail. C’est la vie.

  9. lprent 9

    HS: Some of the datasets are tortuous to dig into. SP also usually gives links to the sources where they are online. Unfortunately there is still quite a lot of interesting data that is offline especially as you go back into the 90’s and 80’s.

    Steve does actually try to get decent data. What he really needs is to get some access to some serious data sets at the level of the census data at mesh block levels and a full knowledge of SPSS or the like, or other goverment collected data. But that is pretty well restricted to researchers.

    So he is restricted to the published summary data with all of their varied assumptions. You can usually rely on the comments to refine his technique on subsequent occassions (at least those that don’t accuse him of nefarious deeds and get the writers protective chop). The real question has to be is why isn’t more of this type of data published? Best source I’ve run across has been Brian Easton’s site and some of that is OLD.

    Which is more than I can say for most of Bryan’s offerings. The last few that I followed the link down from BS had about 3 points on a thick-line graph with minimal axes and no link to the dataset.

  10. Higherstandard 10


    Agreed – you’d think it wouldn’t be that hard for the Department of Stats and similar bodies to drop the last 30 years or so of data into a database so people could make up their own minds and access it easily much as the RBNZ does.

  11. Phil 11

    The good doctor makes a strange assertion about MMP. Her argument boils down to ‘labour and it’s allies got more votes than national and it’s allies”… well, duh…

    Her comments on FPP’s ‘penalisation’ of Labour are also unfounded. Three times in NZ’s history a Gov’t recieving less votes in total than the opposition has won the day.
    Is this a sign of gerrymandering or penalisation? Not in the slightest. It all comes down to the introduction or impact of a third party taking votes disproportinately from either Labour or National. Social Credit did it twice in the 60’s / 70’s (to the benefit of each party once, IIRC) and NZF in the 90’s.

  12. Rob 12

    Wasn’t it great to see John Key stand up to Winston today and say he wouldn’t accept any closed doors meeting with him about his election spending. He believes he has to tell the public what he has done with those funds they have a right to know.

    What a statesman so well done tell me who was who pledged open and honest government was it Helen?

    Do you think the public have a right to know or were they just meaningless words on a pledge card paid for by the tax payer.

    Welld one John must be Crosby Textor idea again keep it up the good work gain the Political high ground the tipping point has been well and truly reached.

  13. Rob – you’re a cock.

  14. Rob 14


    Sometimes the facts can hurt a bit don’t worry about it you will get over it.
    There is an old saying

    Deliver what you promise promise what you deliver if you have no idea of doing it don’t pledge it.

  15. If by “fact” you mean the fact you are a cock then yes, yes indeed the facts can hurt.

    Oh an rob – do you really think fruity aphorisms are going to make you look like less of a cock? If you do then bro’ you couldn’t be more wrong…

  16. Higherstandard 16


    You missed a perfect opportunity for a rejoinder about an ass, Sod was very kind in setting himself up and you just let it go … ah well.

  17. Phil. In 20 FPP elections from 1935 to 1993, Labour won more votes than National twice but didn’t govern. When you include all parties (signficant minor parties Values, Social Credit, NewLabour, Greens, Democratics were or are all of the Left), the Right only outpolled the Left only twice (1949, 1951) but it won ten of the elections thanks to FPP> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_New_Zealand

    And that’s only the actual votes placed – the fact that two big parties inevitably dominated FPP meant many on the Left (and the Right) were completely disenfranchised.

  18. HS – the thing with folk like Rob is no matter how much time you spend schooling them they will always be stupid.

  19. randal 19

    ditto bryan spondre…his unsubstantiated diatribe against the government at post 1 is infantile bluster and it seems like the electorate has worked out the national party lies already in time for the vote that counts.

  20. Matthew Pilott 20

    Rob – do you want to know where a lot of National’s money, kindly donated by the Waitemata Trust, came from? Or are you lying when you’re talking about the ‘moral high ground’? Do you think the public ‘have a right to know’ or are you going to continue with your line, exposed over recent times, that you have no morals, are unable to tell when you are lied to, and lack the ability to think for yourself?

  21. Rob 21


    That’s fine but none of their Donors have come out and questioned it for that reason and that reason alone Winston must say where he spent the money. Especially when he has claimed to be squeaky clean. If National was in the same situation I would expect someone to front otherwise it smells fishy. You just cant attack the media hope it Will go away and not answer questions. Every day it goes on it will hurt Labour and H/C is doing nothing to shut it down.

  22. Matthew Pilott 22

    Rob, if National was to claim the ‘high ground’ it would not be in the position where massive amounts of funding with some pretty ominous links are floating around. The Hollow Men has some good info if you really don’t want to be fleeced… There is scarce ‘moral high ground’ as far as I’m concerned, it is certainly not occupied by National!

    All you are complaining about is that a donor said the money was for an election, and it’s not clear that the money went towards the election. The donor can clear this up, but you’ve got nothing to claim ‘H/C is doing nothing to shut it down’ – she has no right or authority to do so. What you seem to be calling for is actually an abhorrent abuse of power, or a gross immoral action, and it disturbs me that you think nothing of it.

    Every day Key refuses to state “I will not go into a coalition agreement with Winston Peters” he is in the same boat as Clark, so a lot of people find it a joke seeing Key getting high & mighty about it! I presume you’re not one of them.

    Thanks for replying directly to my comment though, Rob, and not coming up with a point that has nothing to do with the original series of comments. Long may it continue.

  23. Anita 23


    Wasn’t it great to see John Key stand up to Winston today and say he wouldn’t accept any closed doors meeting with him about his election spending.


  24. Anita 24

    Found it. Rob, untrue again.

    He said he would only be prepared to take up a briefing, if it was offered, on a “no strings attached” basis.

    “I’m not interested in a secret briefing from Winston Peters,” he said.

    Key is happy for a closed door meeting as long as he can tell anyone he likes whatever he likes about whatever Peters does or says.

    Have you considered actually being truthful?

  25. RedLogix 25

    I am still wondering why a businessman like Robert Jones could not have clarified this whole matter by producing a simple checkbutt.

  26. She’s a bloody good lecturer too!

  27. Anita 27


    Jones says he has both a copy of the cheque and a receipt from Wayne Peters.

    If you listen to it (I’m not sure I’d recommend it : ) – doesn’t Wayne Peters sound like a sedated Winston? 🙂

  28. vto 28

    RedIllogix, Sir Robert did even better than “producing a simple checkbutt” – he produced a receipt.

    Why can’t somebody say what the $25,000 was spent on – that would be a more realistic clarification.

    [lprent: Perhaps you should ask on a blog that understands the NZF thinking? That would be….. Well it is unlikely to be here – read our About.
    Guess you’ll have to wait until Winston and NZF tell you.]

  29. dave 29

    Whoever the Maori Party goes with will be the Government. If they go with no-one, National will govern if they get 47%.

    It’s that simple. Policy, leaders and nice smiles are irrelevant.

  30. Swampy 30

    “the fact that two big parties inevitably dominated FPP meant many on the Left (and the Right) were completely disenfranchised.”

    The fact is that the two big parties still dominate – it’s reality, get used to it. All the small parties are flakes. MMP is the electoral system of flakes.

  31. Swampy 31

    The Hollow Men is a lot of unsubstantiated bluster, bluff and speculation that would not stand up in a court of law, let alone the court of public opinion.

    [lprent: Actually I think it is you with the unsubstantiated bluster. As far as I’m aware there isn’t a single defamation case against Hager or his publishers. The first defence in those types of cases is that they stated the truth. That could explain why there have never been any cases brought.

    Doesn’t making a stupid cock up statement like this make you feel at all embarrassed?]

  32. Swampy 32

    MMP is the electoral system for political junkies, i.e. the Left, therefore it is indeed biased.

  33. outofbed 33

    love this at kiwipundit

  34. Swampy taken your pills today? I fear for your health bro!

  35. lprent: Given that even Colin Espiner on his Stuff blog has indicated his belief that “The Standard” is a Labour Party run blog there really is no point me responding.

  36. bill brown 36

    Whoa – EVEN Colin Espiner – well that’s it then we’d better all go home

  37. Um – if it’s Labour run then why does it attack Labour?

  38. r0b 38

    The Hollow Men is a lot of unsubstantiated bluster, bluff and speculation that would not stand up in a court of law, let alone the court of public opinion.

    Hah! That’s the best laugh I’ve had in weeks.

    Meanwhile, in other news, Don Brash resigned as leader of the National Party, completely coincidentally on the day before The Hollow Men was published, so as to pursue his keen interest in gardening.

  39. Bryan. Colin just had heard it was, after all morons like you are constantly trying to smear us because you’re afraid of us (no-one attacks the Hive or interest.co.nz because you’re irrelevant). When I talked to him and told him about The Standard, he accepted we aren’t Labour funded or directed.

  40. Stephen 40

    The Hollow Men is a lot of unsubstantiated bluster, bluff and speculation that would not stand up in a court of law, let alone the court of public opinion.

    The reason why Hager and his publisher drowned in a sea of libel suits.

  41. lprent 41

    Stephen: Ah I can’t remember any defamation/libel/slander suits. Just a lot of injunctions attempting to stop the publication of the book.

  42. Stephen 42

    Sorry i was being sarcastic! haha, ahh talking by typing…

  43. lprent 43


    Given that even Colin Espiner on his Stuff blog has indicated his belief that “The Standard’ is a Labour Party run blog there really is no point me responding.

    It isn’t, and Colin Espiner doesn’t have sufficient information to make that a determination. Do you have a link to that?

    But in anycase, if you believe that, then why in the hell do you bother dropping these annoying links on the site?

  44. lprent 44

    Stephen: Saw that – I was just being lazy.

    Couldn’t be bothered finding the idiot who made the original claim that you quoted. So I responded to yours.

  45. Stephen 45

    Undertones and overtones flying everywhere, but no one is catching them.

  46. lukas 46

    July 30, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Stephen: Ah I can’t remember any defamation/libel/slander suits.

    Just like Ian Wisharts book

  47. Matthew Pilott 47

    Just like Ian Wisharts book

    Mmm and that’s why Clark resigned a few months back. I suppose if someone who wasn’t already a Frothing Tory read it, they might consider pulling Wishart up on some of his ‘theories’, but I don’t thnik that’s happened yet…

  48. Matthew Pilott 48

    Just like Ian Wisharts book

    Mmm and that’s why Clark resigned a few months back. I suppose if someone who wasn’t already a Frothing Tory read it, they might consider pulling Wishart up on some of his ‘theories’, but I don’t think that’s happened yet…

  49. lukas 49

    Would help if the “hollow men” actually had a decent print run.


    3000 books isn’t the largest print run in the world

  50. Stephen 50

    As far as I know, the vast majority of stuff in Wishart’s book was nothing new. I believe two investigations were done on something Howard Broad allegedly did many years ago (was in Wishart’s book, I think?), but both turned up nothing.


  51. Stephen 51

    Would help if the “hollow men’ actually had a decent print run.

    Help with what?

  52. Phil 52


    I missed your reasoned response to my comment in the midst of all this hagar/wishart circle-jerking from both rabid sides of the divide.

    Anyway, a couple of points;

    Looking back on those third parties, by todays standards they’re probably all ‘left’ – some of them I’m not sure of, so will have to take your word that none were old fashioned versions of ACT.
    However, I suspect that as the political spectrum has moved back and forth over the intervening period, claiming ALL their supporters as left of centre (at the time) is a big call that I doubt stacks up. Social credit definitely took votes off both major parties. But, trying to put an actual number on where those voters might have gone, absent of Social Credit on the ballot, is going to be impossible.

    Secondly, and this is a more Machiavellian argument, Labour and National both knew/know how FPP worked. If one side couldn’t find a way to bring together it’s fragmented ‘allies’ into one cohesive party, then quite frankly that’s their problem – not the electoral system. It’s a bit like saying; The AB’s are on paper a better rugby team, but still lost to the Wallabies on the basis of strategy. Therefore, we must change the rules of rugby.

  53. Phil. You change the rules if they are unfair and disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Kiwis every election.

    Why should the side that can organise into the broadest tent party win every election regardless of whether or not it is oppoed by a majority of voters? Democracy is meant to be an excerise in having the collective will of people reflected in the governing of society – you’re comments are missing that underlying value.

    Both by allowing more viable parties and creating coalition governments as a norm, MMP ensures that more parties supporteed by more of the public have an active say in running the country far better than FPP ever did and ever could. that’s why there was a grassroots movement to replace FPP and it was only opposed by the oldguard, the monied elite who nearly always ruled under FPP. that’s why there’s no grassroots movement to replace MMP, only the same old reactionaries with the money, this time backing National.

  54. Phil 54

    “You change the rules if they are unfair and disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Kiwis every election.”

    The best metric I can think of for determining the extent of disenfranchisation (is that a real derivation of the word?) would be the official electoral turnout. Since 1981/1984, the turnout has trended DOWNWARDS, with the introduction of MMP doing nothing to change that.

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  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    6 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago

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