I’ve just come from a WINZ (Work and Income New Zealand) office out in East Auckland, I often go as an advocate for people on welfare. I do this because I know going it alone, mostly, means you will be denied entitlements, often leave empty handed and likely, humiliated. The person who I supported today, I will call Emma (most people on welfare would rather stay anonymous when I ask if I can write about them). Emma, had had her benefit sanctioned because she was unable to attend a few scheduled appointments with her WINZ caseworker. We discovered later that an IRD (Inland Revenue) error was at the centre of this ordeal.
Over the last year Emma, has undergone two major surgeries: one on her neck, another on her elbow, leaving her in constant pain and on heavy pain meds. On top of this, a few years ago she was diagnosed with early onset arthritis in addition to injuries to her nerves and spine. Her ongoing health issues make working incredibly hard because she can’t predict when she will have good days and when she will be stuck at home in chronic pain. She still can’t lift anything heavier than a milk jug, can’t sit in a fixed position for any period of time, and suffers from insomnia that will often keep her awake for 40 hours or more. That’s when the seizures start. Her health issues impact and compound her mental health which just adds to her brain fog. Depression, the physical pain and the concoction of pills Emma is on to control her physical pain, make it hard to think clearly and just remember day-to-day things – like those all important WINZ appointments.
Between all the physical and emotional hurdles which Emma faces every-single-day of her life, she missed six scheduled appointments at WINZ. She was operating under the information she’d previously been given; that she needed to submit a medical certificate every three months and have a yearly review. Emma didn’t realise she wasn’t in compliance and as such, her benefit was sanctioned and cut to the bone. Resulting in her missing rent, having no money for food, and barely managing to get by. Because what better way to kick someone in the guts who is already struggling, than to to cut them off economically?
I want to say right now, right here: I feel welfare sanctions are a cruel form of (economic) punishment which are punitively administered for the smallest slights of ‘bad behaviour’. Which include (but are not limited to): forgetting or being unable to make a scheduled appointment, failing a drug test (seriously, don’t tell me *you* as a fully employed person, has never ever smoked a bit of dope, dropped a pill in the weekend, or downed a wine or three every other night), and refusing to take a job that may or may not be suitable for you.
If you want to get a welfare sanction lifted you are required to go and plead your case, to whatever caseworker has been assigned to you at the next available appointment. Either that or risk missing even more rent payments and then in turn, risk joining the 40,000 people in Aotearoa, who are homeless and living on the streets.
The WINZ appointment we had wasn’t exactly the worst I have attended. I’ve had caseworkers out right lie to me, make up WINZ policy, and actively yell in my face for calling them out on their bullshit and lies. It is always luck of the draw when it comes to WINZ: will the caseworker have empathy or will sociopathy be their preferred state of being? Who knows? But luckily this particular caseworker operated from a place of semi-empathy and reinstated her benefit with back-pay. When I asked for a food grant for Emma, the casework granted it without forcing us to jump through moral hoops. Being poor is now an individual and moral issue; not a structural or state issue.
I am just going to put-it out there and get all radical: No one in this damn country should be forced to beg for food. However, every single day those on welfare are forced to do just that; beg for their most basic entitlements. Only a few weeks ago RadioNZ reported that over 200 million worth of WINZ entitlements had been denied to tens-of-thousands of beneficiaries,
“The figures were in a report obtained by Newsub’s The Nation under the Official Information Act.
It showed 150,000 beneficiaries and low income families were not getting payments totalling $200m a year that they were entitled to.”
More often than not when I ask for a food grant the caseworker will demand the person in need of food justify why they deserve it and ask what happened to any extra dole money they had. Oh, I don’t know? Lack of dole cash might have something to do with the cold, hard, and shitty fact that WINZ payments are so low it barely pays rent let alone guarantees the basics like: food.
I talked to a sole mum on WINZ a few months ago who had recently discovered dumpster diving. She was so excited about it all because as she told me “I now have food security. I know I can find food no matter what. My family will not go hungry.” Ya’ fucking know our country is fucked when a sole mum is finding hope at the bottom of a trash can. And food security means going through bins at the backs of gourmet supermarkets like Farro to avoid going hungry.
In the end we got a food grant, we re-instated Emma’s welfare payments and got back-pay. We still have to go and print out some IRD material to get everything fixed up, which it seems WINZ can’t manage in an office full of printers. I am hoping tonight she has a tiny bit of economic breathing space. But what worries me the most is the despair and the sheer terror so many people I support at WINZ are feeling, this includes Emma. She bluntly summarised to me, her experiences with WINZ:
“Constant, exhausting terror, dulling your cognitive abilities because you’re in perpetual fight/flight mode.”
On the way home from WINZ, Emma told me she had come up with a ‘Plan B’ if she couldn’t sort out the WINZ sanctions. This plan was simple in execution: she was going to take her own life. She told me she didn’t want to “come across as dramatic” but she couldn’t see any other way out of it.
I understand what I just typed is heavy and hard; suicide is always a tough and painful subject. But I think we need a compassionate and public conversation around the very real and deep trauma that our State Social Systems are causing so many people. Like, forcing people to live off so little they are picking food out of a bin to gain food security is not okay. It is not fucking okay that every damn time I go to a WINZ office, caseworkers are actively making up policy. Even the ‘semi-empathetic’ caseworker we got today, still, lied and told Emma it was part of her “WINZ obligation that [she] come for an appointment once a month.” That isn’t true. Tonight, I spoke with an ex WINZ caseworker, who told me,
“What we [WINZ caseworkers] did to beneficiaries was awful… we were encouraged to dehumanise them.”
It is not okay that nearly everyone I have advocated for at WINZ, has broken down in tears during appointments and have often been close to a panic attack. Most people I advocate for at WINZ unanimously tell me it is a humiliating and utterly defeating experience.
Being poor, being unemployed, being on welfare, being down on your luck, or struggling with serious health issues like Emma… doesn’t make you less than; it doesn’t suddenly make you sub-human. The fact I even have to type those words as a reminder that, regardless, of what economic and social position you hold, you are still a human being, makes me incredibly sad.
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Should “I was just following National Party orders” be a defence against charges of human rights violations?
Sadly, the regime was as just as cruel and judgemental under the last Labour government.
There has been a culture of coldness for some years, but Labour never applied the harsh sanctions that National has imposed, it also made it harder to speak to WINZ workers easily by forcing appointments weeks in advance..it is all about keeping the public at bay and on the phone. I can never understand why WINZ has never employed trained social workers to deal with disabled, distressed, confused clients, to much to ask eh? It shows us the official culture and I am not a particularly harsh critic of WINZ workers, it is the system that is tough.
+1
When I first came into contact with the system it was the Ministry of Social Welfare. The shift to Work and Income NZ (1990s) was significant and a potent symbology of what was to come.
The idea that a state should make some provisions available to ensure a level of welfare for everyone in society runs counter to ideologies that rest on notions of “opportunity” and “personal choice”.
Both NZ Labour and National adhere to such an ideology.
The best that can be hoped for, as long as that remains the case, is that an occasional dumpling will be provided with the gruel that’s unwillingly dished up to society’s “undeserving poor”.
See. Bill English apparently doesn’t know what Jim Bolger meant when he said “neo-liberalism” had failed (I guess it’s just the natural order to Bill) and Jacinda Ardern echoing that refrain, reckons that “neo-liberalism” has nothing to do with economic settings, but that it ‘just happens’ to people.
We’s kinda fucked while that mentality or degree of stupidity makes government level economic decisions that have consequences for people.
“Sadly, the regime was as just as cruel and judgemental under the last Labour government.”
I don’t think so. Labour certainly did some shitty stuff and need to be held to account for that, but the Bennett reforms took things to a whole new level.
No, it wasn’t. It was less cruel and judgemental. They’d break your arms, but at least they wouldn’t stab you.
I had cancer in 1997… took me til about 2003 to be fit for work… had a job for about 5 years which I had to leave because a new manager at the place bullied me and it got to the point where I couldnt sleep much, and hardly ate… I resigned, and moved towns back to Invercargill… I went and saw WINZ, and they asked why I left the job. I showed them a record of the stuff I’d been put through, and they put me on sickness benefit for 6 weeks with an option for more, if my GP thought it was needed, due to stress…
I eventually found work for 30~ hours a week, and WINZ topped my pay up depending on my wages… I then found after a couple of years a full time job, and WINZ were helpful, and told me what I could claim to help start my job… this was about 5 years ago…
I had heard some bad things, but generally about certain case managers, and that in general, I was fairly happy with how I was treated
Roll on a year ago, and a friend was sick, and had to get forms from the doctor dropped into WINZ, so I offered… I got a 2 minute interrogation at the door by the security guard as ‘You’re not on the appointment list’… followed by a wait of a couple minutes in a queue inside, to be ‘greeted’ by a woman who it seemed just by me being there was ruining her day (she didn’t know me from Adam)… her tone changed when I explained I had just finished work, and was running an errand for a friend who was sick…
Meantime, the way several staff had talked to people there had concerned me… it was pretty degrading
No. As a sentient human being, there should come a point when your conscience — that nagging little voice in the back of your skull that informs you when you’re being shitty to other people — has raised such a howling cacophony of outrage, that you’ve no choice but to pull the pin and say, “No. I will not do this thing anymore. Because it’s wrong.”
I say ‘should’ because it’s frankly astounding that so many people are seemingly able to tune out that voice.
cf: the Lerner and other experiments: we’re all susceptible, uncomfortable as that thought is.
The ideology is that the individual who needs help is somehow defective, and so needs strict monitoring and control. The effects are shameful.
The same thinking underlies Bill’s shiny new the ideology of ‘social investment’. It gives the gloss of science to some very old Victorian prejudices – we will identify the defective individuals early on and give them ‘support’.
It is intended to specifically suppress the thought that maybe the individual is not defective at all (or becomes so only in response to prolonged stress) and that it’s the economic system that needs attention.
“I am just going to put-it out there and get all radical”
The sad thing is that basic human decency is now radical in our society.
Yes, if you advocate for the humane treatment of other people, you’re a leftie, a loony, a communist, an agitator, a trouble-maker and part of the infamous ‘rent-a-mob’ National enjoy dismissively referring to whenever citizens band together to protest some new draconian outrage.
You can see by the way national ran this organization that humane is not in the neo liberal’s dictionary’s
Compulsory viewing on the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahWgxw9E_h4
My reckons is that Chloe is writing some really good shit around this these days. Her (your, if you’re reading this thread) “Beyond the Election: on solidarity and building communities of compassion” being a case in point.
That aside, I’m getting the impression that many, many people are now feeling able to cast aside the ‘cloak of shame’ this society has forced them to wear with regards being poor and seeking a degree of welfare via state mechanisms.
If you think Labour will be any better you are dreaming as who brought in WFF to make so many of the population a beneficiary But of course they are not benes, just on WFF.
Why not comment off the back of what I actually say/write, rather than throwing ‘any old stuff’ up in response to my comments?
Everytime a beneficiary has a negative experience with WINZ and ends up in tears and has panic attacks it is just another layer of negative experience to them that compounds over time into post stress trauma. I know from personal experience with a family member that it sets back their recovery of whatever predicament they are in – illness, unemployment. They panic each benefit day their money won’t be there to support them. It just is a never ending horror story for them.
To hear from Chloe that a person she was advocating for was contemplating ending it all isn’t unusual, in fact it is a daily event in this country and why wouldn’t these persecuted people not feel like finishing it all. We have experienced this in our family with suicide attempts, one which we didn’t think our loved one would recover from.
If there is a Goddess looking after us, please let her kick this pack of heathens out of Government. There is a very good editorial in the Herald today about tribalism and how devotees of any one ideology will wear blinkers and refuse to accept anything negative about their favoured political party – I know this to be true with people I know who cannot accept or will listen to anything negative about this corrupt administration we have in right now.
WINZ needs a new culture of empathy, please let it be soon.
+100!
Hear hear Kate, well said.
Really well said Kate
The cynic in me says a dead beneficary is seen as a reduction in people on the benefit…
Tolley says MSD does not keep stats on how many WINZ clients take their own lives. Makes me wonder why not.
The Ministry of Health have that information even if MSD don’t.
They probably don’t have records of who are WINZ clients though. I’m guessing they list occupation and lots of WINZ clients will have their occupation as their part time job, not beneficiary.
I disagree Kate as we need to change National …they are already have come a fair way to the left pushing ‘the left’ to extremities.
Some more pushing/encouragement and they could keep the country on an even keel while looking after those in need better.
While a government of national unity with nats plus lab could be an solution .
The country needs the experience and common sense of National with a levening of compassion.
I will continue to support National as I have done since ACT proved its worthlessness until I see sense in the ‘left’ and not just feelings.
Rage at the injustices perpetrated by case managers should not obscure the fact that the country needs to be economically successful to look after its people and the people need to show responsibility to justify that care.
There is no alternative……we’ve heard that lie for 35 years.
And you still believe it.
Oh well……
Of course there is an alternative but one must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I started thinking about this around 1963 when I came upon Bill Sutch’s writing … in those days as a renter I was mainly interested in housing but as I looked and saw our society develop I have ideas on numerous aspects of life … The Responsible Society.
Ditch neoliberalism.
There is no baby.
Just fetid stagnant toxic bathwater that needs to be rid of after 33 years.
+1
I do not know what all this ‘neoliberalism’ means but I do believe that if Roger Douglas started it when he saved the country from the Muldoon disaster he did good but unfortunately a guy came along for a cuppa and the moderating social side was not implemented.
Black or white or in this case blue or red is not an answer of any value but a meld of good economic policy which works with the world we have to deal with coupled with a more compassionate welfare system which is not valued by those running it on how much they save but how well people are treated.
This happened a couple of months ago.
The person involved, turned ups to her WINZ appointment on time and was waiting. Because WINZ actively discourage having your children there, she had paid someone to mind her two preschoolers.
Whilst sitting in the waiting area she was able to see the case manager who she was supposed to see (open plan office). This person just carried on working and my friend was left waiting. She spoke to the receptionist and asked if she could phone the case manager to tell her her appointment was here.
The receptionist phoned three times and the case manager never picked up the phone.
After an hour my friend had to leave to pick up her children.
Later that day she got one of the shitty threatening emails from WINZ pointing out the ramifications for missing appointments!
Turns out the case manager had turned the ringer off on her phone. So more time wasted and more money for babysitter. And they wonder why they are hated so much… or do they?
Sounds like WINZ needs to implement an NPS system and if the WINZ employees are union members insist of a performance management program.
what’s NPS?
Are you a sociopath?
If the case manager (and her desk) could be seen from the reception area, then why on earth didn’t that dozy receptionist simply walk over there??
On the Herald online this morning there was an article about a woman who committed suicide the day after she recieved a letter saying she was to be prosecuted over recieving benefit over payments amounting to $20,000. This was despite WINZ knowing that she suffered from depression and had been suicidal. Sorry cant link to it as it disappeared very quickly.
Welcome to Nationals Brighter future that delivers for New Zealanders as long as your white and wealthy.
She also did not owe any money, it was a WINZ error.
Did you see the article as well? It disappeared really quickly
Nah, still there.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11928817
Sounds like Bennett has a lot to answer for.
+1000 … see my 5/10 at 10.26 above.Bennett got brownie points for saving money rather than doing a good job for people
Lots of people on benefits consider Plan B, just remove themselves and not have to worry about the welfare system and their own survival.
I wonder how many homeless are in this category? Got so sick of the hoop jumping and degradation they decided at least homeless they were in control of life decisions?
A very large majority tracey.
Also many just simply cannot manage the paperwork.
Form filling can be a terrifying experience for many, and especially so for dyslexic.
But added to that, is the continual rise of housing (and even basic shelter), and the fact that this is no longer given a heavy weighting in the calculation of the CPI. Given the fact that benefits were cast in 1991 at 80% of what would constitute, even then, a subsistence level of living, it is obvious that benefits nowadays, are completely inadequate for even a sub-standard level of living in this country.
It occurs to me that Labour managed to create a Radical Revolution for the benefit of the Economy back in ’84, so, given their regret and repeatedly declared separation from neo liberal ideology, how about Labour running on a platform of Revolution for the People??
Why not have a clear policy where they state..this is what happens at WINZ under National, this is what we will do to dismantle that culture and policies within 6 months of gaining power.
How hard could that be, whats stopping them spelling these things out?
Maybe these are the issues that would attract the missing voters.
You have it in one. Also why no increased taxes for the super rich? I see that’s off the table and why not an emphatic “no” to the TPPA? To my mind they might call themselves Labour but they are a long way from the Labour party I remember as a kid.
Because since 84 the brainwashing that if you just work harder you will make lotsa money has taken hold?
Must be brainwashing because you only have to look to see it’s not true.
Tracey – I think that the true philosophy was: “If you just work harder at immoral profit-gouging, you will make lotsa money.”
But for some strange reason, the full version got shortened.
Yep the current government have in my opinion been helping to dig this country’s grave over the last nine years but it started way back in the 1980’s when this neo liberal shit first turned up on the scene. The burning question is will an alliance of Labour/Greens/NZF do better? I would hope so but that’s a case of wait and see (assuming it happens at all).
Personally I do feel we need a total revamp of our political system and in particular an end to the Westmonster model which allows these pricks free reign to pretty much do as they like once elected.
Yes they will do better, but not enough. The difficulty here is that NZF are pro-punitive measures, and Labour are not yet willing to speak up for beneficiaries as a class, and the Greens probably didn’t get enough MPs to make major gains on mending welfare. So we will see some improvements but they will be a reprieve rather than the big shift that is needed.
I agree with the neoliberal analysis, and Bill’s above to an extent (I still think the Greens could have shifted the current economic system enough to make it viable had they had more MPs, but that’s moot now). The hope for me is that a welfare movement will arise that continues what Metiria Turei started.
They will tinker, not change radically.
They need to sound like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxKS81rBywc&itct=CAoQpDAYCCITCLbc8q781dYCFc94KgodolAG9jIHcmVsYXRlZEidqf-9sOq3hls%3D
I can only hope that, whether Government or Opposition we have at least ten out of the same mould as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq1q0-wWaUM
I used to have terrible panic attacks before and after and some staff are hopelessly inadequate human beings. On the other hand, I’ve dealt for some time now with a case manager who is a very nice, attentive, sympathetic and capable person. That comes down to their personal qualities, but they make it clear that they’re under pressure from above. The system forces inhumanity and callousness.
Also, my current fairly positive experience is largely due to the fact that I’m permanently on Fluoxetine.
I take enough of that so that I’m only chronically depressed instead of clinically depressed I tried taking a higher dose but it gets hard to get much sleep when there are imaginary people banging on your door most of the time when you nod off .
I have advocated at WINZ (or whatever stupid name they have from time to time) for a number of people. It is my impression that WINZ are even more incompetent and ridiculous under a National government.
One of their clients was alleged to owe $25,000 and they were going to prosecute her. By going carefully through the rules I managed to get the amount reduced to a few thousand. She had been paid slightly over the $80/week limit while helping disabled children for years.
Another client started work and had been overpaid a benefit by a small amount, about $50. He paid in cash and got a receipt. WINZ sent him a bill every month for many months. Phoning them did no good. They threatened his credit record. I sent a letter and a copy of the receipt to the chief WINZ accountant in Wellington, with a CC to my MP. The demands stopped. Truly WINZ is incompetent and out of control.
And those damned appointments. I went to WINZ to tell them that I now had a boarder and could no longer claim the Living Alone Super allowance. They said I would have to make an appointment to tell them that. I refused, and handed them the form that I had filled out, which they accepted. As some of you may know, I am much more aggressive than most WINZ clients.
We need an organisation with advocates like the Combined Beneficiaries Union which seems to have disappeared.
We should have a public prosecuter place a legal case against WINZ for delilection of duty to it’s public clients due to a lack of their duties under the “public servant Act” code.
Here is the legal interpretation of the function of a public servant.
Government consists of “public servants”; – these who are our ‘public servants’ should firstly be serving the needs and ‘interests’ including aspirations of their employees who are ‘the public’
Public service’. 2 :a service rendered in the public interest
So according to the legal requirements of these ‘public servants’ they are legally required to serve the public interests firstly and not their own needs right?
Here is the proof;
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/public%20service
Webster dictonary
Definition of public service
1 :the business of supplying a commodity (such as electricity or gas) or service (such as transportation) to any or all members of a community
2 :a service rendered in the public interest
3 :governmental employment; especially :civil service
I fear that Labour, if they get into power, with a coalition, will not radically change the culture of WINZ. There hasn’t been much policy concerning WINZ coming from them and the Greens, as far as I can ascertain, are the only party which will keep them honest.
What will it take to make this department called WINZ become a caring and understanding department for people who are vulnerable – I am speaking of the disabled, mentally unwell, people who cannot work. Prior governments have abandoned them and left them to the mercies of rental landlords and living on the streets. Its no wonder the suicide rate is so high, its shameful.
Families are left to shoulder the burden and its a burden they lovingly take up, inexperienced as they are, but what’s to happen when these parents finally are no longer there to care for their loved ones. We once had a society where one could rest in peace knowing their loved ones were cared for.
IMO NZ has become a shitty place to live in.
Not long after the Neo lib government started to get into the swing of how it was going to run down welfare, a woman with an adult son who was mentally incapable of coping on his own, decided to do the decisive thing and not leave him to the merciless grinding system that the government was adopting if she died and he was left with no-one to love and care for him. So she killed him and herself, deeming that it was better to end their joint lives together while they were still reasonably happy, rather than live on with her in fear of his not having suitable, sensitive care.
“I fear that Labour, if they get into power, with a coalition, will not radically change the culture of WINZ”
Is it still free to ‘write to your Congressman’ – Stonewall, MP, Parliament Buildings, Wellington – no stamp needed?
And keep nagging every last miserable constituency representative until their days are made uneasy.
The whole social welfare set-up is a mess. The total disconnect from ‘market forces’ that keep bumping up the costs of living -even thriftily- until more is going out to Feed the Beast than is coming in to feed the present and future.
The horror and shame of having to seek any scraping assistance beyond the threadbare basics; the ethos and culture that demands you be totally destitute, with few to no ways out of the pit – it has got to go. Preferably before the ‘world of work’ really starts to change.
While we’re at it – recognise that the present round of ‘monopoly’ has nearly ended: most people have been forced out and the spectators are looking for a better game to play. Let’s make it happen – for as many as want to.
Yep, it’s a cultural problem. The attitude of the average WINZ worker is that it’s their money and anyone who walks through the door is out to steal it from them. Personally, I blame Christine Rankin and her “zero-tolerance” towards benefit fraud, for it.
What’s needed is an independent oversight authority (even a new branch of the court system populated by district court judges) where people can go and make complaints against WINZ, free of charge, and have decisions by WINZ reviewed.
Yes it is a cultural problem dating back to 1990 at least when I boarded a beneficiary and they told me of the ‘war’ between the department and those it ‘helped’.
I was on the dole for a short time back then after one staff accepting my financial position and paying me the full amount somebody else sent me a letter cutting me back to $7pw. … “You are getting much too much” but without any details.
I despise WINZ with a passion.
Back in the 90’s I got my benefit cut off at least four times due to “clerical” mistakes and each time it took at least a month before it was reinstated with full back payment. That means at a least a month with no income. Fortunately I had a very understanding landlord.
And every WINZ worker I’ve known personally has had the attitude of “what a shitty job I’ve got I had a guy come in demanding $1000 for an engagement ring … whinge whinge moan moan.” Well whoop-de-do. Police have to put up with being sworn at and spat on and you don’t hear them bitching about it.
Yeah fuck the cunts.
I wrote a post on an article on The Daily Blog which , is similar in vein.
I would invite you to read what Kim Isaac wrote as an article.
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https://thedailyblog.co.nz/…/guest-blog-kim-isaac-the-reality-for-single-mums-dads/
I dont give a fuck what the circumstances are… quite frankly , … what I do give a fuck about is the way fellow New Zealanders and New Zealander-esses are being treated by the wimps at WINZ.
Wimps at WINZ ,… whats that in acronyms? , … hang on ,… WAW. There you go. Sounds a lot like WAR. WAR on the fucking poor. Wimps at WINZ.
Think of that next time you think of Nationals little toadies. WAW. WAR on the poor.
Fuck em.
And in light of the 63% in favor ( unscientific poll @ Stuff ) of the teachers strike posited at Rotorua today , – I’d say many of these WINZ fuckers need to do a bit of soul searching for the reasons they are even in that line of work. Waiting on the weekly cheque?, … marking time in a secure govt job?
I like this little number from Kevin Bloody Wilson.
I’m still not sure which side I agree with ,.. the Kid ?, … or Miss Brown.
All I know is both of them show a pair. I think I side slightly more with the kid because he’s only 6 years old. And showed bushwackers ‘guts ‘ . Tellin’ it like it is. I like gutsy people who talk in plainspeak . Like Chloe King. Either way I reckon certain WINZ heads are shittin bricks that a Labour / Greens / NZ First govt is coming in.
Heads are fucking going to roll if they do , – if not ?… heads are fucking going to be pulled the fuck in.
This ones for you , ‘ Wayne ‘ . Enjoy the Trade Union references… scumbag.
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I feel sad, angry and ashamed of our government.
Winz arrogance policy
Outa Sight Outa Mind
Across the board from the cradle to the grave