Daily review 19/10/2023

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1. adam 1

   19 October 2023 at 6:58 pm

   Große Lüge

   doublethink

   or just the

   BIG LIE

   War and dehumanization are going hand in hand at the moment.

   The question is, will you buy it?
2. SapphireGem 2

   19 October 2023 at 7:21 pm

   Interesting poll showing that the majority of respondents do not support ACT’s race baiting, divisive idea of having a referendum on the Treaty: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/newshub-reid-research-poll-reveals-if-kiwis-want-a-referendum-on-the-treaty-of-waitangi.html
   • Peter Kelly 2.1

     19 October 2023 at 8:49 pm

     Yes SapphireGem. We are about to find out if Luxon is prepared to create civil unrest in order to become PM. Since the Treaty process was established in 1975 there has been ongoing discussions, hours of legal argument, and many court rulings; to now expect Maori to roll over and have all their gains destroyed by Seymour’s outlandish claims would be naive and disastrous for us as a country.

     If ACT think the court rulings are incorrect they need to do the research and challenge them in court, not try and override due process with a political stunt. Is Luxon prepared to destroy the rule of law for political power?
     • SapphireGem 2.1.1

       19 October 2023 at 9:40 pm

       I don’t believe Luxon would ever hold a referendum on the Treaty, as the societal fallout and disarray from doing so would be huge and destructive.

       Seymour cynically campaigned on something he knows won’t happen, solely to appeal to people’s irrational resentment of Maori, and other groups, such beneficiaries and public servants.

       Cheap and easy votes stemming from people’s intellectual laziness and scapegoating of certain sectors of society.
   • Michael P 2.2

     20 October 2023 at 9:43 am

     Yea what worries me the most about the election is what ACT is going to demand (and what they will be given) in return for their support. Not so much on the Treaty referendum as I can't see that happening, but in other social and economic policy areas.

     For example, ACT want to track how beneficiaries spend their money, presumably to then move to a system where beneficiaries are only allowed to spend money on certain things. This is despicable.

     NZFirst want to bring in a compulsory 'work for the dole' scheme where beneficiaries have to do community work to get their benefits. (I'm not totally against this for example people on the jobseeker benefit as long as they are paid at least the minimum wage and any hours they do are paid on top of the standard benefit)

     Anyway, in the above scenario would the National party see either of these as acceptable in order to get support from either party?
     • Anne 2.2.1

       20 October 2023 at 9:56 am

       By far the most sinister of those two proposals is the ACT one. Indeed it is further evidence ACT are modern day Nazis in the making. It would only be a matter of time before the policy was extended to include other sectors of society who for one reason or another had to rely on government financial support. With the kind of policies the Right are advocating those numbers are only going to dramatically increase over time.
     • adam 2.2.2

       20 October 2023 at 7:27 pm

       For example, ACT want to track how beneficiaries spend their money, presumably to then move to a system where beneficiaries are only allowed to spend money on certain things. This is despicable.

       No, abject stupidity. It was trialed in Australia and the outcomes were – utter failure. Not just a fail, but a absolute, complete, total fail.

       The question is, are the national party stupid enough to let what they will know will fail, become policy.

       Time will tell.
     • SPC 2.2.3

       20 October 2023 at 7:50 pm

       NZFirst want to bring in a compulsory 'work for the dole' scheme where beneficiaries have to do community work to get their benefits. (I'm not totally against this for example people on the jobseeker benefit as long as they are paid at least the minimum wage and any hours they do are paid on top of the standard benefit)

       They want term limits and then only paying the money in return for community work (one presumes they mean for those with work capability) – up to around 20 hours a week and paying dole plus the related costs of such employment. The ILO has expectations in this area and had a close look at what was going on here back in 1999.

       A better option would be provision of community work for those on the JS Benefit who did not have any employment (neither part-time or casual), so they could earn some extra. Maybe an option of internship with an employer (workplace training leading to employment in the industry sector) or community work.

       A labour force available for post flood clean up, clearing of tracks and waterways (flood prevention) is of value in most areas. It would back up efforts to have labour directed to seasonal harvest work and farm jobs.

       (Peters may be influenced by Muldoon's PEP era approach,

       https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/89046197/a-community-at-risk-of-being-forgotten
3. joe90 3

   19 October 2023 at 8:05 pm

   Weed for the win!

   .

   Pot Users Had Significantly Lower Covid-19 Mortality

   The analysis determined that cannabis users had significantly lower mortality compared to non-users (2.9% compared to 13.5%). Cannabis users also had significantly lower rates of complications associated with Covid-19, such as intubation, acute respiratory failure and multiorgan failure.

   “On univariate analysis, marijuana users had significantly lower rates of intubation (6.8% vs 12%), acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) (2.1% vs 6%), acute respiratory failure (25% vs 52.9%) and severe sepsis with multiorgan failure (5.8% vs 12%). They also had lower in-hospital cardiac arrest (1.2% vs 2.7%) and mortality (2.9% vs 13.5%).”

   https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2023/10/13/study-finds-cannabis-users-had-better-covid-19-outcomes/?sh=32f076521eb1
   • bwaghorn 3.1

     20 October 2023 at 7:02 am

     Well I smoked it till I was 25, and was very close to losing my mind by the time I got strong enough to say no more, it is harmful to some, and addictive to alot.
     • Bruce 3.1.1

       20 October 2023 at 8:56 am

       Well I'm 70 still enjoy the richness of life it has provided, The Beatles, George Carlin,etc etc etc and dream of how much better the future could be with without reefer madness. Imagine, Giving peace a chance.
4. Jilly Bee 4

   19 October 2023 at 8:10 pm

   I was sitting in our local Unichem Pharmacy this afternoon which is attached to our Medical Centre today waiting for a few repeat prescriptions to be made up. I started chatting to an elderly woman (which I am as well!) sitting along side me and she asked what I thought of the election result. I was a bit reticent about mentioning my Labour political membership so I just said that I was not happy that we were going to miss the fees free medicines we can now able to access and I also doubted that the winter energy payment will be continued. To my surprise she agreed with me and said she voted for Labour this time around. I was then summoned to pick up my package – and said as I left that it was nice chatting with me. It made my day as we live in a bluer than blue electorate – our MP is the chap who threatened Shanan Halbert – nuff said.
   • Patricia Bremner 4.1

     19 October 2023 at 8:40 pm

     Yes Jilly, we are still out there. It will be interesting to see what journalists report now.

     Surely some will see the light, and report on the 'doings" and 'non-doings' of the Lux-Sey-Win stitch up. Pop corn at the ready.
   • Louis 4.2

     20 October 2023 at 2:18 pm

     Nice. Thanks for sharing that Jilly Bee.
5. Rolling-on-Gravel 5

   19 October 2023 at 11:43 pm

   I hope for us to find the light at the end of the tunnel sooner rather than later.

   Sometimes I feel rather ill in my stomach, metaphorically.

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