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Class and grace.
During a rally in Charlotte, N.C., this Friday, 16-year-old climate activist Greta Thunberg drew thunderous applause after shutting down a heckler who interrupted her speech.
“I think if you want to speak with me personally, maybe you can do it later,” Thunberg said before the crowd broke into cheers and chants of her name.
The heckler, who can be heard off camera yelling an unintelligible screed, seemed to back off after Thunberg called her out.
Watch the moment below. The relevant portion begins at about the 4:30 mark of the video:
https://deadstate.org/greta-thunberg-fires-back-at-heckler-if-you-want-to-speak-to-me-personally-we-can-do-it-later/
Greta must have had an appendix provided as mandatory part of each stage managed talk she's involved in now.
Greta is being used as a human shield. The adults and corporates behind her are clearly identifiable.
While you’re providing recs to watch your hero in action. I'm sure you can also locate the vids where she clearly had no script and was unable to mount a coherent response to simple questions.
Easy to locate Joe. I'm sure you know the vids I'm referring to.
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rubbish – Greta is a hero and you are just envious. She is very brave to stick to the science when her haters just want to attack her personally – weak little humans her enemies are
Gee One Two, for us readers that aren't following Thunberg as closely as you and you think joe90 are, how about providing actual links instead of vague insinuations?
One two believes Greta thunburg is a personification of why you don’t vaccinate
That's just barely scratching the surface of one Two's interesting beliefs. Trust me.
Facebooks most valuable customer 9/10 months this year
If you're looking for a weak person, look for someone that is slapping Greta.
Those that want to strike the messenger have no reply for the message.
She's a kid saying "Please take a close look at this."
We should.
More a case of progressive identity crisis IMO, David.
For those who are watching on, indeed cheering on while a child is used by adults and is backed by large corporate industry.
I would agree that those who aim disapproval at Greta, are pointing in the wrong direction.
Listening to an exploited kid on an issue as complex and important as this, witnessing as 'policy' is coerced out by staging of the message, is simply a reflection of how far gone we are.
You should avoid speculating on what you reckon my beliefs are, Climaction.
I don’t recognise your handle. Been commenting here long?
Long enough….
to know how to use the search function.
something you could do with google to provide even a shred of evidence Greta is a lizard person
now boyan slant, there is a climate hero
Great conversation had here on the elephant in the room…
The Center Cannot Hold Off Climate Catastrophe
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-center-cannot-hold-off-climate-catastrophe/
About now, eighty one years ago.
https://twitter.com/ticiaverveer/status/1192890830350168067
so next year will be the 82nd anniversary…don't forget to remind everyone.
you'd prefer people forget?
Same happening right now in Xijiang with the Uighurs, in that great communist country, China. reminds me of Animal Farm: all are equal, just some are more equal than others.
And same happening as in 1938: the world ignores it.
Yes the Nazi instigated overnight rampage that happened on 9 November 1938 is awful, disgusting and revolting. Thanks joe90 for reminding us.
I am saddened that Israel with it's deep understanding of the psychology behind such inhumane actions failed to sign the letter to the U N Human Rights Council condemning the Chinese treatment of the Uighur people.
We can be proud that NZ did.
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/190708_joint_statement_xinjiang.pdf
+1 Israel seem to have lost any sense morality, they sink further and further into the darkness with every passing year.
In Seattle, the Amazon-backed candidate loses and the socialist wins.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/09/seattle-amazon-kshama-sawant-socialist-elections
Go the underdog.
Racist attitudes 'whitewashed' modern philosophy. What can be done to change it?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-10/modern-philosophical-canon-has-always-been-pretty-whitewashed/11678314
Food for
thoughtcontemplation.On Nat candidate Luxon's evangelical church: http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/11/chosen-to-rule-what-sort-of-christian.html
Also in the Koru Lounge of life…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/117274169/christopher-luxon-knows-that-in-the-koru-lounge-of-life-everythings-a-transaction
Perhaps, just perhaps, the MSM is beginning a proper assessment of the Shonkey government,
"How ought history judge the contribution of John Key? You put your finger in a glass of water, you take it back out. What gap is left behind?"
A refreshing read.
If the glass is not full, there is no gap. No history remains save swirling for a while.
If the glass is full, then the ullage is equal to the volume of the finger and to the rate at which it is inserted and withdrawn…….it's all something about fat fingers, making a splash and ending up wasting more.
Was John Key rather a show-off doing dive-bombs in the pool of history?
Billionaires panic.
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1192842595677982721
The billionaire tax calculator – https://elizabethwarren.com/calculator/ultra-millionaire-tax
He's tRump sans the racism.
https://twitter.com/federicca/status/1192593117708509190
He opposes legalizing marijuana and criminal justice reform; used the "gateway drug" argument.
He's against investing in tech education in public schools because -get this- "we invest in computers and then they're used for porn and to plagiarize homework" , verbatim.
I could spend a whole thread just on this but there's more to cover.
He's against minimum wage and regulation around income and aid for poor Americans who have to hold several jobs just to make ends meet
Literally said "you can't train people to do tech jobs, they're just not wired that way" when asked about tech education to mitigate job loss because of AI advances
He ranted for several minutes about younger generations wanting to retire (?) and how that makes things hard on the economy #okboomer
at some point said "women all of a sudden have opportunities now" so there are 2 bread winners in every family…
Sorry Mike, ALL OF A SUDDEN?
And finally, he said "we need to go back to how things were done in Clinton days, when he'd get 3 democrats, 3 Republicans and take them golfing, then go lock themselves in a room, close the door, smoke cigars and make all the decisions" (all men implied)
In conclusion, pls don't.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1192593117708509190.html
I've been as critical of Barry Soper as much as anyone else here in the past, but this time he's right on the money over the Winston Peters over-payment saga:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12283407
I refer in particular to this segment:
That is my view as well. This was an overtly political act of attempted electoral sabotage. Most likely from within the National party or its staffers. It is unlikely to have been public service staff in MSD etc. They would have known full well that it was a criminal offense for them to expose this information.
I suspect that it was also politically idiotic. It probably didn’t do much good in diminishing the NZ First vote, and we have seen remarkably similar tactics used before. It was very obvious what was going on.
If anything, it probably helped the NZ First vote, as the only people who’d have been irate about it were already National voters.
It made it pretty damn sure that the NZ First politicians had vivid memories of dealing with untrustworthy arseholes in 1998 and 2008 when it came to coalition talks. Even the NZF MPs who’d been leaning towards a National coalition would have been aghast at the level of political cynicism that it displayed. Who’d want to deal with a party with fuckwits like that in it.
What's the point being made there? That the staffers shouldn't have told their CEs?
No. That the MSD and SSC chiefs should not have told the two ministers. The pension over-payment to Winston Peters had no impact on their portfolio responsibilities so there was no requirement to tell them.
The leak came from National within 24 hrs of Jacinda Ardern becoming the leader of the Labour Party. That was no coincidence.
the timing aside, I can't tell what is reasonable re CEs telling the Ministers because I don't know how this compares to other situations.
Since there was no necessity for the CEOs to advise their ministers of an operational matter such as an over-payment to another parliamentarian then why did they tell the ministers? Doing it only a few weeks before a general election makes it worse.
If on the other hand they had information which would impact on the ability of the ministers to carry out their portfolio responsibilities then it is incumbent on them to tell the ministers. The over-payment was not one of them.
No matter how they dress it up, it had to be a politically motivated action on the part of the CEOs concerned.
Or they did not trust their own agency's staff to avoid blabbing to the media, and their Minister to be blindsided by that. The subsequent inquiry showed that would not have been not a valid belief.
Oh and I’d welcome the ‘no surprises’ policy being consigned to the rubbish bin of history. Toxic.
So, they preferred someone from National leaking it rather than a public servant. Yes, it's possible.
Oh what a tangled web…………………..
They are only responsible for their staff embarrassing their minister.
How the heck am I still alive? Just luck I guess, and the fact the 2011 earthquake hit Christchurch instead of Wellington. I was in an office in the Terrace at the time.
I wonder if that BNZ/State building (Aon) is affected…always had a dodgy feel going down there.
There was an anecdote from Tim Shadbolt many years ago, when he was talking about working on building sites in Auckland. IIRC, it went along the lines of:
… when pouring the structural concrete into the forms around the rebar, sometimes it would take so long to get the mixed concrete to the upper floors it had started setting. Because they didn't use vibrating wands back then, it was only when they removed the forms that they realised that there were big voids in the pour. So, they packed the voids and plastered them over.
From my recollection, he said that many multi-towered builds in Auckland at that time had problems with the concrete structure.
This is from so long ago, I can't remember if I read it, but I have a feeling it was a radio interview.
Something very strange about this story – certainly got the anti 1080's energised – post after post after link on facecloth.
Very strange indeed as some of the rat carcasses look like pet rats rather than bush rats.
Council poison operation at the dump? Escapee pet rat went out with the rubbish and set up and interbred with the locals….
Don't think the offspring would stay white over generations though. I wondered if they'd lost their hair in the river.
Pretty much everything washes up bald if they've been in the tide long enough.
Yep, corpses in rivers often lose patches of hair. If those rat corpses truly come from over 100km up the Buller river, I'd be a little surprised there aren't reports of rat corpses lining the riverbanks all the way down. Corpses of other animals are a fairly common sight on riverbanks after floods.
Modern landfill and waste management practices mean that most people don't get to observe the rats, cats and other wildlife at the dump any more. You get some interesting hybrid rats, occurrence sort of in line with popularity of pet rats at the time, and some pretty flash cats. They stow away in a rubbish bag or wheelie bin and away they go. The surviving cats usually make their way home but the rats become part of the local population. We're near a bridge between our dump and town and have a cat a month pass through.
I see lots of dumped cats in odd places too (unbelievably people take cats out to the bush to dump them).
Totally believe there are hybrid rats out there, but I think interbreeding won't yield pure white offspring.
I saw a pure black rabbit in the wild the other day, which was pretty cool.
Hmmm, just learnt something. Pet, or fancy rats are usually Rattus norvegicus, which can be locally rare in NZ, generally Rattus Rattus is dominant, although there could be a population at the Westport dump. So, if a population became established, say at Westport dump after they stowed away in a household's rubbish, they would become self sustaining, rather than interbreed with the locals. Also from that link, "Rats are pets that are allowed in Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry in the Harry Potter series." Which would have given a recent surge in popularity. R. Rattus can be domesticated too but doesn't have white forms.
Black rabbits are cool, there's a population near us that does the odd black one, and they don't seem to move far from their home.
Sounds more like Brodifacoum than 1080 to have birds and fish associated. But wave action will sort flotsam by density, whether that's rocks, gold or dead things, so quite natural for all the dead things that got washed down the river in a fresh to get washed up on the same bit of beach.
Probably went something like a rat poisoning operation up a nearby river, animals would seek water when they are dying and die within flood zone, a good rain after a good dry period, dead things get washed down river and up onto beach.
BTW, brodifacoum is probably nastier than 1080 as it hangs around for a very long time, 3 year exclusion for game animal recovery .
Surprised no one has owned up yet because it looks like a bit of a win against the rats – I suppose the tests will show which poison got them – your scenario makes sense to me.
There's a line in the story that reeks of spin:
reports of dead fish and birds, along with the rats, were not consistent with the way 1080 is understood to work
They assume the rats are 1080 kills, but have to pretend it is not responsible for contemporaneous bird kills.
I though the fish and birds fed on the rats and that killed them – toxicology tests will hopefully help clarify in this regard
They may have, 1080 is quite broad spectrum – originally an insecticide after all.
Hmmm, they were found on North Beach, the Westport rubbish dump is right next to the lagoon that meets the sea at one end of North Beach, brodifacoum makes its victims very thirsty, 1080 doesn't. Brodifacoum is also very toxic to birds and fish, 1080 is less toxic to birds and fish than to mammals. I reckon Graeme's probably onto it with his comments above.
Could well be true – but it's more a matter of what's in use nearby than relative toxicity. The pellets used to kill a possum of up to 4kg will always suffice to kill a kea of up to 1kg. Stuff provisionally attributes the kill to 1080, though carcasses are being collected for testing – we shall find out eventually.
They assumed nothing. "may have".
Basically, they go "there are all these dead rats. Poison would be likely, as predators eat the rats. We did a poison drop a hundred miles away, it might be that, but other factors which I have not seen directly are inconsistent with our poison drop."
This is so stupid imo – keeping good relations? wtf?
ok what has this cat done
Between hedgehogs and cats, sounds like the dotteral area needs a guard with a BB gun.
Who has authority to do pest control on that area?
Pretty sure it's against the law to shoot domestic cats.
Not if you do it properly.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/killing-neighbours-cat-technically-not-cruelty-rspca-says
Also a cat isn't counted as property in the same way a dog is, largely because you don't have to register them.
A neighbouring bird fancier killed damned nearly every cat in the street. And as they were on his property he did so legally, too.
I remember an old fella in CHCH that would kill any cat seen in his tiny veggie garden, and he wasn't shy about announcing it.
This suggests there are still legal issues with killing someone else's cat,
http://nzala.org/when-your-animal-is-harmed/
That doesn't say it's legal to kill someone else's cat.
I know dogs are specifically alowed to be shot under the dog control act. At the very least, there would be a defense of property excuse for cats.
Or announce a poison drop in the nesting area – even if there's no poison, that'll make the owners control their moggy.
Normally I'm not too worried about cats, but this is an endangered species.
There was another case reported recently with endangered sea birds (not sure if same species). The kills were mainly from feral cats in an area where there were also house cats. The story was that they were having trouble killing the feral cats because of the house cats. This is not a hugely difficult problem to solve (eg have shooting nights twice a month that the community knows in advance is happening). So before we get to the locking cats up thing, maybe we should look at the range of solutions available and what is appropriate to each situation.
Locking cats up is pretty difficult for many people. I couldn't do it with mine. Think the number of people that have kids and an indoor/outdoor life where doors and windows are left open routinely. Not only is it cruel to lock up cats that are used to being outside, it's a really big ask to expect people to change their lives that much.
It seems reasonable to establish cat free areas over time, using natural attrition to achieve that, where there is a high need. But that one cat isn't responsible for that species being endangered and there's a fair amount of hypocrisy in NZ over this issue, where cats are seen as an easy target but we still want to keep on with our habitat destroying ways and not put money into predator fencing or paying people to do ground control.
So we let it wipe out the colony because muffy is an outdoor cat?
no, get better strategies than reactionary 'lock up your cats'.
or actually more like, get better strategies rather than hand wringing about cats. The other case is a clear example of the problem being humans. Probably this one too. Generic locking up the cats is the lazy arse approach.
Except in this case a particular cat is the main threat. So what are the "better strategies" in this specific case?
Strategy would depend on that particular situation and none of us here know what that is. eg what is the owner like? What's the relationship between the owner and the conservationists?
What's the distance between the house and the nesting site? Is the nesting site amenable to a predator fence?
Lots of things to take into account.
The better strategies comment was to point to the problem of knee-jerk 'lock the cats up'. If that one cat gets locked up and nothing else changes what happens to the birds when a feral cat or other wild predator turns up?
well, the feral ones can be shot.
is that happening? As I said elsewhere in the thread, in the other recent situation about beach nesting birds, they weren’t controlling the feral cats because of the house cats. That’s not a hard situation to fix, so why aren’t we? I think the whole anti-cat thing is a problem and we should instead be looking at how cat owners and conservationists can work together in the context of better planning. Also mentioned was the hypocrisy. NZ loves to love its birds, but we are still actually quite bad at land management for that.
Given that they're filming the nest, another option would be to watch the cat kill a chick and charge the owners with killing a protected species because of their negligence. That'll filter out the domestic cats really quickly.
I’m sensing a fair degree of cat antipathy (or apathy) rather than a strong commitment to good conservation design. One problem with this approach is that it will lessen support for conservation among cat owners (who are legion and passionate) and we already have too much vegan, anti-predator control culture on the rise as it is.
I'm a fan of systemic, nuanced approaches at a broad level.
But this is a specific colony that might not exist in a couple of years due in no small part to specific, identified, individual animals with known owners.
To me, this discussion is like a kid in ED with a grossly infected cut. Sure, we can and should look at preventing injuries and providing equitable access to primary healthcare. That might be very useful and could help many children in the future. But right now this kid needs debriding, cleaning and antibiotics as soon as possible (barring any contraindications).
Cats used to be classed as wild animals, unable to be trained. Whereas dogs are trainable and there is onus then on the owner to train and control them, apart from being able to be shot if found on anyone's farm.
interesting
It takes a while for cats to train their humans.
lolna. Had to feed a friend's cat last weekend. There was some food outside for it on the washing machine, but it was looking like it couldn't get up that high so I found a low table and shifted his food and water to that.
Apparently he was just being lazy and I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I was vary quick to be trained 🙂
More things to make you go hmmmm. Bannon, Stone, Wikileaks and probably Trump lies under oath to Mueller …
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/steve-bannon-says-trump-team-saw-roger-stone-as-access-point-to-assange/
Home?
These things will find their way to the KSA.
U.S.-Turkish relations have plunged to a new nadir. In the past month, a senior Republican senator has suggested suspending Turkey’s membership in the NATO alliance, while the secretary of state implied a readiness to use military force against America’s wayward ally. In these circumstances, U.S. nuclear weapons have no business in Turkey. It is time to bring them home.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/its-time-get-us-nukes-out-turkey-92081
Nope, not a cutesy video of a beluga playing fetch.
It's probably former captive Hvaldimir, who's thought to have escaped a Russian military program.
Hvaldimir is alone, malnourished, injured, and roams the seas looking for food and attention from people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvaldimir
sums it up –
whale playing fetch = fake news
whale escaped from military facility = true news
dirty humans
shit's getting real
He was fissen ta git rowdy.
https://twitter.com/ALostrich/status/1193284652976541697
My mind would need to be in an extraordinary place for me to consider Trump a valuable President. I continue to be amazed that some do. Don't these people have family and aspirations?
Come now, these people are admirably open-minded. So open-minded the breeze whistles as it passes through.
What will the reaction be when the real one is deflated?
Probably depends a bit on how that deflation comes about. But that whistling breeze will likely turn stormy, with lightning and thunder quite probable.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/8/28/17789510/bike-cycling-netherlands-dutch-infrastructure
This is a really good read about how they make cycling work in the netherlands (and they don't wear helmets !)
Kia Ora 1 News.
We need all the money we can spear to mitigate Global Warming. Wasting money on moving the Port of Auckland up North is dumb. They should go with the most economic choices move more fright to Tauranga and more up North and keep the Auckland port going I think is the best model
'' I "" if you don't Wai Te tipu tipu they won't grow up to their best potential.
Our honest Scientists have been predicting that Reality for the last 20 years it good that the Australian authorities are planning ahead and evacuating Te tangata
Yes Te Mama great contributions to our society need to be recognised and honoured.
The toxic people are the ones harassing Eco Maori.
Ka kite Ano
We have to change the way we behave and minimise our carbon usage immediately the sooner we start the less disruptive it will be to the way we live. The longer we take to act the more drastic targets we will have to set in reducing our carbon footprint.
Cutting the speed of ships has huge benefits for humans, nature and the climate, according to a new report.
A 20% reduction would cut greenhouse gases but also curb pollutants that damage human health such as black carbon and nitrogen oxides.
This speed limit would cut underwater noise by 66% and reduce the chances of whale collisions by 78%.
UN negotiators will meet in London this week to consider proposals to curb maritime speeds.
Ships, of all sorts and sizes, transport around 80% of the world's goods by volume. However they are also responsible for a significant portion of global greenhouse emissions thanks to the burning of fuel.
Shipping generates roughly 3% of the global total of warming gases – that's roughly the same quantity as emitted by Germany.
While shipping wasn't covered by the Paris climate agreement, last year the industry agreed to cut emissions by 50% by 2050 compared to 2008 levels
Ka kite Ano link below.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-50348321
While I was farming I noticed to that in summer the grass growth was fast in the shade. I posted a story thee other day that makes a good case to have solar panels mounted 7 foot high on wooden poles and wooden frames it great logic
Renewable Energy Gives Farmers Another Reason To Love It
As if the case for renewable energy needs any more making, along comes a new study showing that wind and solar power are good for the water table and they could help farmers survive periods of drought, too. That’s especially big news for California. The state has suffered through a series of droughts, leading to unsustainable use of its underground water resources by farmers and other users. But wait, there’s a weird hydropower angle in there, too Ka kite Ano link below.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/11/11/renewable-energy-gives-farmers-another-reason-to-love-it/amp/
Kia Ora 1 News.
Hopefully the School reform will improve the education for all tamariki but especially the lower classes.
All the big construction projects should that are planned should help businesses confidence in Aotearoa.
Ka kite Ano
Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News
The Whakatane Council is just flickering the buck they are the ones who made a mess of the election process.
I agree with Te Wahine Maori Mana is being down trodden and that has a negative effect on people I see it everywhere in Aotearoa times are changing for the better Ma Te Wa.
Its great to see people getting confidence to help other people less fortunate than them.
I think that the chances to our schools will help lift all tangata whenua tamariki and Pacific tamariki climb higher up their ladders of life.
Good call my Tamariki used to paddle in Horouta waka aka club I think that they deserve some recognition they have been cleaning up for years now.
Ka kite Ano
I say our native bat's needs to be saved we have to save there habitants and invest in their protection in Waikato they are our Taonga build those whare for them to.
Ka kite Ano
Kia Ora Breakfast.
The Kiwi hatching are cute Aotearoa was the whenua of the Titi.
All the new infrastructure spends needs to have goals of lowering our carbon footprint.
The new laws of the miscarriage of justices being sent back to the courts by a commission is great it will save innocent tangata being locked up.
All our tamariki need to feel and be safe at school.
Insurances are sold to Te tangata with the myths that the many paying premium spreads the risk for the cost of a desaster on the shoulder of the many but reality is they cheery pick the risk. They put profits before Te tangata wellbeing.
Ka kite Ano