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mickysavage - Date published:
12:42 pm, November 8th, 2024 - 14 comments
Categories: Christopher Luxon, david seymour, Maori Issues, maori party, national, national/act government, same old national, the praiseworthy and the pitiful, uncategorized, you couldn't make this shit up -
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The Bill has been introduced.
As I said recently even the introduction of the bill has been controversial. It was brought forward and introduced earlier for one or more of three reasons:
Whatever the reason the change is deeply disrespectful to Māori .
David Seymour claims that controversy about the change is much ado about nothing. Of course he would say that. But everything about this bill appears to be as aggressive as possible so there being an innocent reason for the change does not wash.
The Waitangi Report has not held back as shown by this scathing passage from its latest report about the bill.
From the report:
We found that if this Bill were to be enacted, it would be the worst, most comprehensive breach of the Treaty / te Tiriti in modern times. If the Bill remained on the statute book for a considerable time or was never repealed, it could mean the end of the Treaty / te Tiriti.
The Crown’s process to develop the Bill has deliberately excluded any consultation with the Māori Treaty / te Tiriti partner. The Cabinet paper rejected the duty to consult Māori as a ‘novel reading of the Treaty’ by the courts and the public service. The Cabinet paper also rejected the ‘partnership interpretation’ of the Treaty / te Tiriti. Thus, due to unnecessarily truncated timeframes and the Crown’s rejection of the Treaty / te Tiriti partnership, Māori have been excluded altogether from this Crown rewrite of the principles. This has been the case even though there are two parties to the Treaty / te Tiriti, and the grant of kāwanatanga in article 1 is limited by the Crown guarantee of tino rangatiratanga in article 2. We do not accept that the Crown’s duty to consult Māori is a ‘novel reading of the Treaty’ ; it would fly in the face of almost 40 years of jurisprudence and previous Crown acceptance of this duty. We found that the Crown’s process to develop the Bill breached the principle of partnership, the Crown’s good faith obligations, and the Crown’s duty to actively protect Māori rights and interests.
This exclusion of Māori from any say in a process to abrogate their fundamental rights is extremely prejudicial. The impacts will not fade for a long time even if the Bill does not proceed beyond the select committee. Any trust or goodwill earned by Treaty settlements is under threat. The Māori–Crown relationship is being damaged, as officials have repeatedly advised.
To all of those who claim there is no certainty about the meaning of the Treaty can I invite them to read the report. It contains an excellent summary of what the treaty provisions mean. Claims that we need the Bill because there is confusion about what the treate means is disingenuous. The only confusion I can see is amongst those who wish to change the treaty into a historical relic.
These are the individual principles contained in the Bill:
Principle 1
The Executive Government of New Zealand has full power to govern, and the Parliament of New Zealand has full power to make laws,—
(a) in the best interests of everyone; and
(b) in accordance with the rule of law and the maintenance of a free and democratic society.Principle 2
(1) The Crown recognises, and will respect and protect, the rights that hapū and iwi Māori had under the Treaty of Waitangi/te Tiriti o Waitangi at the time they signed it.
(2) However, if those rights differ from the rights of everyone, subclause (1) applies only if those rights are agreed in the settlement of a historical treaty claim under the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975.Principle 3
(1) Everyone is equal before the law.
(2) Everyone is entitled, without discrimination, to—
(a) the equal protection and equal benefit of the law; and
(b) the equal enjoyment of the same fundamental human rights.
The principles do not vary too much from the original leaked principles with the exception of principle 2 which appears to be even more restrictive. Maori will only enjoy treaty rights if they have already been established by a treaty settlement.
And principle 3 only reflects current human rights. It adds nothing to existing jurisprudence.
This is a summary of what the Waitangi Tribunal says about the individual principles:
If the Government was prepared to start to improve iwi relationships then it would get Parliament to resolve to refer the matter to the Waitangi Tribunal for a formal report back. The Tribunal could then say to Parliament directly whether in its opinion the bill is contrary to the principles of the Treaty although its views are pretty clear.
But given all that has happened so far there is no chance of this happening.
National and NZ First are going to stand to one side as Act attempts to ignite a disgraceful race debate for political gain. Shame on them all.
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I agree with the critique re principle 1. It merely asserts state sovereignty – the British version assumed to prevail in the 19th century. Imperial hegemony will only get you so far when there's no longer an empire!
Principle 2 seeks to limit collective rights to those historical agreements by iwi & hapu that don't limit individual human rights. Obscure & opaque enough to confound all readers, I suspect. I'm not confident I grasped it fully.
Principle 3 seems to restate the obvious. Dunno why Seymour felt the need to do so. Still, folks will compete to extract maximal entertainment value from the sideshow…
As to 2, the constraint proposed was "chieftainship" could not be
1.more than other New Zealanders have on their land.
2.and was limited to the iwi settlement of a historical treaty claim under the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975.
(which poses the risk that that 2 could be more than allowed 1, it could be reduced back – see customary fishing claims, the plans to limit this to 5% of the coast etc).
The WT simply notes the Treaty is a historical document, and explains its current relevance.
Most pertinently, it was between Crown and Maori.
(No one proposes to re-write the Bill of Rights or Magna Carta, simply because of developments since).
The fashion of a revival of Hunn Report era like assimilationism being irrelevant.
But hey don't worry – National won't support it past its first reading.
Oh really?
Who can trust those b…s to keep their word?
They might just be playing everyone for fools until the last moment.
Luxon will come up with some weak excuse like "the bill now makes sense to us so we have decided to support it………
Yes, Mike the Lefty, that aspect really worries me. I would love to join the Hikoi, but I'm getting rather more limited with my physical 'getting around' and have become rather more of a keyboard warrior in my dotage. I'll wait and see what that Luxflakes will do to see if I can get stuck in with further action, my style.
Jilly Bee the Hikoi will be stopping off at many Marae on the way. You can drop in for a rally.
Most Marae will be accessible – and everyone is welcome.
Link to the stops.
https://toitutetiriti.co.nz/pages/hikoi-mo-te-tiriti-2024-information-page
Cheers Jilly Bee, same here. I to have gone that way, support The Labour Party, The Standard, Nick Rockel, Mountain Tui, Bernard Hickey and Gerard Otto, who in their various ways comment on things missed by the Press and TV. and I blog.
To see Seymour say on Breakfast there was not much opposition to his Treaty Bill.
What??? So having frightened all TV1 staff with a $30 million cut he comes on!!
The MP is a fabricator first class.
Thanks to Adam 3.1.1 below. I will support in Rotorua.
Can I just say this is the most dog shit piece of crap I've ever encountered.
I've been in brawls with neo-nazis and been stab by a skinhead. I have to say, this is worse.
Whatever the reason the change is deeply disrespectful to Māori .
… without wanting to state the obvious, the bill itself is deeply disrespectful to Maori, so changes like this are only to be expected…
Luxon says it's just a random thing, but if it is the chances were slim and it's an exceedingly fortunate change.
Have to keep this simple. That's what Seymour does, sticks to the easily sold myth that democracy is equal.
But democracy is not equal. Access to democracy is not equal and RW political entities trade on that inequality.
Arguing complicated points of meaning of Te Tiriti is what Seymour wants. He's framing tidying up confusion as the reason for his racist bill.
Need to be more direct and keep tying Seymour to rewriting Te Tiriti, people understand that and its something he finds very difficult to combat which is why he gets so angry when people say it.
100%
Can't have patches at Hikoi mō te Tiriti. More Whina Cooper, less 501.
If gang members are visible as gang members, Seymour and his wealthy, racist backers will have a field day.
Swastika flags ok, though, and would make a similar point.
Seymour ok with swastikas
Seymour once explains that he wants the Crown Treaty with Maori subordinated, not just in the norms of parliamentary governance when there is a right wing (unbridled settler regime) government, but to a nullity by writ of a referendum.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-plan-to-spring-into-action-for-toitu-te-tiriti-protest-convoys-start-in-northland-tomorrow/DVMDP4KGCRD2NHIPLCVL5MYBLY/