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1. Jenny 1

   3 January 2013 at 5:25 pm

   While the Greens and Labour jostle for position and the Nats and ACT openly pimp our land and seas to the fossil fuel big boys.

   The only prominent and experienced MP who made a serious contribution and spoke up on climate change was kicked to the back benches and told to shut up.

   We seriously need a Climate Churchill who refuses to shut up and play the Business as Usual game who continually demands action from his parliamentary colleagues no matter the personal cost.
   • Andre 1.1

     3 January 2013 at 6:05 pm

     Time we put our need to have “stuff” behind us . Time to have a government that is supposed to protect its people from itself ,for the greater good not individual self enrichment .100 million years of evolution. and we have achieved a level of self indulgence that will not give our grand children a future that is as good as ours ? I watched the climate debate in parliament .If you did, you will know who our leaders of the future are. AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM.
     • Jenny 1.1.1

       3 January 2013 at 7:13 pm

       ‘

       “The Dolphin and the Dole Queue” David Shearer Cunliffe speech, delivered, 23 June, 2012

       Sure, we will have to both protect dolphins and shorten dole queues, which is what you will be expecting from the title of this speech.

       But actually, the nature of this crisis is far deeper and more fundamental than the standard environment-economy trade-off thinking might suppose. The coming crisis threatens more than just marine biodiversity. The species we are trying to save could be our own.

       David Cunliffe

       [lprent: Fixed typo. 😈 ]
       • karol 1.1.1.1

         3 January 2013 at 7:25 pm

         Isn’t that meant to be ‘David Cunliffe speech”?
         • Jenny 1.1.1.1.1

           3 January 2013 at 7:41 pm

           Oops. Talk about embarrassed.
       • karol 1.1.1.2

         3 January 2013 at 7:31 pm

         It was an excellent speech from Cunliffe, but no more prominent or visible to the general public than the Green Party MP speeches (in and out of the House, questions for oral answer, and press releases on climate change over the last couple of years.
         • Jenny 1.1.1.2.1

           3 January 2013 at 8:14 pm

           It was an excellent speech from Cunliffe, but no more prominent or visible to the general public than the Green Party MP speeches…

           karol

           I disagree. This was a signature speech, in that it came from a (until recently) prominent front row Labour Party MP. As such it’s significance cannot be underrated.

           David Cunliffe is a Labour Member of Parliament, which is New Zealand’s traditional alternate ruling party, meaning his words carry so much more significance. (embued as they were at the time of the possibility of they’re becoming government policy).

           I doubt there has been a more prominent and visible speech of greater significance from any New Zealander, inside or outside of parliament on climate change. (Not least because at the time it was given prominence in The Standard).

           It’s just a shame that it hasn’t been recently repeated.
           • karol 1.1.1.2.1.1

             3 January 2013 at 8:17 pm

             Outside TS, some other left wing blogs, local ZNLP members who attended the speech, and other NZLP members, who in the general NZ public were aware of Cunliffe’s speech? Very few I would think.

             I don’t think it has been any more visible to the general public than the long term and continuing Green Party stuff on the climate and environment.
             • Jenny …

               3 January 2013 at 8:51 pm

               Outside TS, some other left wing blogs, local ZNLP members who attended the speech, and other NZLP members, who in the general NZ public were aware of Cunliffe’s speech? Very few I would think.

               karol

               What other speech, by any other MP on the climate, been carried by the TS and other left blogs?

               By that measure it was significant.

               To raise, and possibly win, the climate change debate inside the Labour Party is also significant.

               Admittedly, this has not become a raging debate in the public eye. But there are many conservative forces doing their damnedest to prevent that possibility. (Not least within the Labour Party).
           • handle 1.1.1.2.1.2

             3 January 2013 at 9:20 pm

             “the possibility of they’re becoming government policy”

             You really need to learn how MMP works, Jenny. Notice all that Act party policy being enacted by the current government?
             • Jenny …

               3 January 2013 at 9:54 pm

               Policy that the Nats are quite comfortable with.
       • Neoleftie 1.1.1.3

         4 January 2013 at 7:26 am

         I can see why cunliffe got demoted, realist honest poli who is bold staing time for a new direction a system change, a new way, time for the beltway to provide some leadership.
         Shall we start the bring back cunliffe club
         • Jenny 1.1.1.3.1

           4 January 2013 at 6:01 pm

           Shall we start the bring back cunliffe club

           Neoleftie

           Are you volunteering?

           What would your BBC club look like? What would it do?

           Could BBC circulate a petition amongst all Labour Party members?

           Could BBC members address LECs and lobby MPs?

           Could Green Party members and MPs join the BBC?

           Could they sign the petition?

           Should a BBC petition, be an online petition, open to everyone?

           Could this sort of activity create the groundswell that would swamp the ABC?
           • Jenny 1.1.1.3.1.1

             4 January 2013 at 10:17 pm

             The BBC vs the ABC

             BAU vs CCCs

             Survival vs extinction.

             The lines are drawn.

             “You ask, what is our aim?
             I can answer in one word.
             It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.”

             Winstone Churchill
2. johnm 2

   3 January 2013 at 6:00 pm

   My ten cents worth! It’s such an immense issue one feels like a pygmy in addressing it. I’m no expert but looking at all the reports on the Internet about Climate Change, Yes it’s happening and its worsening. This is a catastrophe for the whole biosphere : People, Plants, animals everyone. The organising principle explaining how and why is Gaia formulated by Lovelock. The Climate is potentially dangerously changeable and the action of the whole biosphere has been to stabilise atmospheric composition to facilitate all life by sequesterring Co2 in the form of coal, gas and oil over hundreds of millions of years. We have upset that balance and triggered a positive feedback by digging up said carbon reserves and burning them for energy to power our lifestyles.

   I’m not worried on one level cause I’m 64 and don’t have children and won’t be around for the forecasted high average temps by 2030 2050 etc. But nevertheless I’m saddened I’d like to leave this World knowing that all its life has a rosy future of benign stability, yeh I’m a European romantic who grew up with Beethoven, Mahler, Wagner all of whom expressed intense spirituality in the natural World.
   The World is everything, without it we would not exist one second. Again so sad we have abused it so and now it’s too late we’ll have to suffer the consequences along with the trees animals plants and all other life forms, it is a true tragedy of immense scale. As Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”.
   • Jenny 2.1

     3 January 2013 at 7:26 pm

     ….It’s such an immense issue one feels like a pygmy in addressing it.

     johnm

     What you say is true for you, johnm, is true for everyone. An immense issue requires an immense response.

     New Zealand led the world on votes for women,
     New Zealand led the world on Social Welfare,
     We led the world in opposing apartheid sport,
     We led the world in opposing nuclear weapons,
     What other country is better positioned to tackle climate change?

     If not us, then who?
     If not here, then where?
     If not now, then when?

     Leadership is the missing ingredient.
     • Andre 2.1.1

       3 January 2013 at 8:04 pm

       Jenny.. We are so well positioned to be the example to our fellow man. As you noted and more. NZ is a new nation ,we haven’t destroyed enough yet, to not change . The Hobbit would have nothing on our ability to earn a living with this as our hallmark . Passion in a leader is a prerequisite ..
       • Jenny 2.1.1.1

         3 January 2013 at 8:55 pm

         Absolutely
   • Rogue Trooper 2.2

     4 January 2013 at 8:39 pm

     Amen (hell on earth)
3. Steve Wrathall 3

   3 January 2013 at 6:07 pm

   “…the size and strength of the storm bore the hallmarks of …” Hurricane Donna of 1960, Hurricane Carol of 1954, the Great New England Hurricane of 1938, the New York Hurricane of 1893, and the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821.

   Thankfully few died thanks to most people’s access to personal cars and good roads. If the warmists had had their way, taxed people out of their cars, and the victims were reliant on public transport (which was the first to fall over) thousands would have died.
   • Andre 3.1

     3 January 2013 at 6:51 pm

     Missing the point . maybe if we the rich had space ships . we could run away with are middle finger raised in a salute .While the 350,000 Bangladeshi etc wave goodbye and say thank you……… We as one planet spend billions on science and all we do is say this cannot be true cos my back paddock is fine .
     • RedLogix 3.1.1

       3 January 2013 at 7:09 pm

       hehe Andre … perfect.
     • bad12 3.1.2

       3 January 2013 at 7:57 pm

       I don’t think the first paragraph of the comment above you misses the point at all,

       A super-storm, mega-hurricane or what-ever you want to call it hits New York which is unusual, BUT, that’s just weather, if in the next 5-10 years New York were to become a regular victim to such storms then that is definitely a change in the weather pattern,

       ”bears all the hall-marks of the New York hurricane of 1893”, Global climate change??? not if it’s a one off, once in a 100 years weather event???, quite possibly…
       • Macro 3.1.2.1

         3 January 2013 at 9:16 pm

         you might like to read this
         http://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricane-sandy-climate-connection.html
         basically it looks at how AGW amplfied the storms impact. Whilst the other extreme weather events of the past all had devastating essentially localised impacts, Sandy was unique in a number of ways, including:
         a. and exceptionally low air pressure,
         b. a record breaking storm surge.
         c amongst the most highest energy levels of all tropical cyclones on record at 222 trillion Joules – about 3.5 Hiroshima Bombs.

         Noting that the Earths Oceans are now warming at the rate of around 2 – 3 Hiroshima Bombs per second http://www.skepticalscience.com/Breaking_News_The_Earth_is_Warming_Still_A_LOT.html – every second every minute every hour everyday every year and will do so into the foreseeable future. It is highly conceivable that more and even greater storms than Sandy are to be the new norm.
     • The Al1en 3.1.3

       3 January 2013 at 8:03 pm

       “maybe if we the rich had space ships . we could run away with are middle finger raised in a salute”

       Tories in space, just what the cosmos needs. 😆
       • Andre 3.1.3.1

         3 January 2013 at 8:06 pm

         Giggle…..
     • Steve Wrathall 3.1.4

       4 January 2013 at 8:52 am

       So climate alarmism comes from Uranus?
       • mike e vipe e 3.1.4.1

         4 January 2013 at 4:46 pm

         Steve Wrathall you would know having your head buried in the sand or up yours so deeply you are’nt even in the loop you remind me of that very good drama ‘ life on Mars’ .
         Your thinking is not evidence based as with those dinosaur cops who just bullied everyone into submission to get a conviction!
         The latest research coming out of the US,s Antarctic scientific research shows the Antarctic ice shelf is melting by up to 1/3 or in your language one tird!
         Keep it up your a dying breed of dinosaur denialist that puts forward pathetic evidence that has no scientific backing!
         Their have been more large severe cyclones hitting a wider area of the US since 1998 than in the previous 200 years corresponding with the massive exponential increase of human created greenhouse gases.
   • MrSmith 3.2

     3 January 2013 at 8:01 pm

     Yes Steve where well aware things have happened before, if you had been paying any attention at all you would know this is how we now know that because of fools like you we are on track to change the plant at a speed at which the human race won’t be able to adapt.

     Anarchy will eventually prevail, so be prepared children.
4. karol 4

   3 January 2013 at 6:43 pm

   Well 2013 has already started with the flooding in the UK, and Aussie doing a sudden switch from cool and wet, to extremely hot.
   • xtasy 4.1

     3 January 2013 at 7:52 pm

     There was also very bizarre weather so far this Northern Hemisphere winter in Europe and Eurasia.

     In parts of Central Europe it was before Christmas so unusually warm, so that they had 20 degrees C in Munich, over 15 degrees in Berlin and similarly mild temperatures on one day, so people were out in summerwear and beer-gardens in Munich opened to crowds.

     Just a thousand or so kms to the east, it was a totally different situation, where in Russia, Ukraine and the Balkans it was so freezing cold like it had not been for decades, in some places not for over a hundred years. Many froze to death, some had to vacate uninhabitable cold homes, traffic came to a standstill, and in Siberia they had up to 60 degrees C minus.

     The last winter in NZ was quite cold for a change, and as far as I heard, it was largely due to massive amounts of bits of melted ice from the warmer Antarctic floating around the Sub Antarctic oceans for months, leading to cooler seawater temperatures. It was a bit like cocktail ice in a drink, I suppose.

     Massive changes lie ahead for coming centuries, and generally it will get warmer, sea level will surely rise, but in other areas it may also get colder than usual. Rainfall and snowfall will vary, freak storms will occur, and we just had another one over Samoa a couple of weeks ago, being very destructive.

     Remember also the higher number of small, suddenly occuring “twisters” in Auckland and other places in New Zealand now.

     But who actually does adjust their lifestyles, who drives less, who starts cycling or using public transport. Yes, some do, but most are too comfy with what they do and will not change until they are forced to, grudgingly, that is the main problem, especially here in car mad NZ.
     • bad12 4.1.1

       3 January 2013 at 8:06 pm

       The ‘freak storm’ over Samoa was nothing unusual, Samoa has been subject to being directly hit by around 3 of these storms a decade since records were compiled way back in 18 something or other…
     • Andre 4.1.2

       3 January 2013 at 8:09 pm

       I have … your turn now and your mate , Easy as
       • xtasy 4.1.2.1

         3 January 2013 at 8:33 pm

         Hah, I am living a very frugal life, do all to conserve energy, as much as I can, have not had a car for years now, and use public transport.

         So, yes, my turn did come many, many years ago, I am waiting for the hundreds of thousands of others around me to follow, but whom I see day in and out to carry on, as if there is no problem to worry about at all.
         • Jenny 4.1.2.1.1

           3 January 2013 at 9:15 pm

           Isolated individual responses, though commendable, will likely have little effect. This crisis, probably more than any other in history, requires collective action coordinated by the state. Before the enormity and the scale of this problem, individuals are powerless.

           Is such a response possible?

           History says, yes.
           • Andre 4.1.2.1.1.1

             3 January 2013 at 9:49 pm

             Jenny what do you think would be the best course for us to take?
             • Jenny …

               5 January 2013 at 6:26 am

               Jenny what do you think would be the best course for us to take?

               Andre

               In my humble opinion we need to stop coal.

               (Short answer)

               I will try to give a long answer your question the best I can in the short time before I have to go to my slavey job. I will have to do this in two parts. The following essay, is part 1/.

               This is the first part, in which I will try and argue for what we should do.

               The second part on how we can achieve this. To follow at some time in the near future.

               Part 1 What should we do?

               To understand the best possible course of action we could take. We need to look at the problem realistically, and then break it down. We need to identify the one thing we could do, that would make the biggest possible difference.

               NASA planetary science and climate director, James Hansen has identified coal as “the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on our planet.”

               http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/02/16/203701/james-hansen-coal-greatest-threat-civilization-all-life-on-our-planet/

               If we want to solve the climate problem, we must phase out coal emissions. Period.

               James Hansen
               Coal & Climate Disaster

               So stopping coal must be our priority, that is if we are serious about stopping climate change.

               Greenpeace have a saying: “Think Globally, Act Locally”

               Globally, coal is the number one cause of climate change.

               But, not locally. Unlike the rest of the world coal is comparatively little used here. This makes it easy for New Zealand to phase out coal completely.

               I will argue “This is the single most significant contribution that we can make to the fight against climate change.”

               To understand why, we need to make another calculation based on the facts.

               On the global scale of greenhouse gas emissions from all sources, including agriculture, (our biggest emitter). New Zealand emits a grand total of 0.2% of the world’s total.

               If New Zealand could magically stop all our total emissions of greenhouse gases tomorrow, it would barely slow the runaway global climate train one bit.

               Our biggest contribution will be to show the world that a modern industrial country can comprehensively rid itself of coal and still maintain a decent standard of living.

               Sir Peter (professor), Gluckman the chief science adviser to the Prime Minister’s office agrees. On the government website Sir peter writes; “New Zealand is a small emitter by world standards – only emitting some 0.2% of global green house gases. So anything we do as a nation will have little impact on the climate – our impact will be symbolic, moral, and political”

               That “symbolic” impact, needs to be something big, something great, something that will grab the world’s attention.

               New Zealand needs to become the first country in the world to completely ban coal.

               Becoming the first, first world country to ban coal will have an impact on the world, that no population or political leaders in countries finding themselves ravaged by drought or superstorms could ignore.

               People would demand if they can do it, Why can’t we?

               We need to make it illegal to use coal, we need to make it illegal to mine coal, we need to make it a criminal offence to trade in coal. To invest in coal, to import it and most importantly to export it.

               Is this too extreme?

               Not at all. We had once in this country, a huge and thriving asbestos industry, directly employing hundreds of workers. A lot of New Zealand houses were clad in asbestos sheeting known as Hardie Planks and there was a thriving export market in it, (mainly to the island nations). New Zealand had open cast asbestos mines and factories supplying this industry.

               It is now completely illegal to mine, to trade, to import, to export asbestos. And not just here but around the world.

               Coal arguably kills and will kill more than asbestos.

               On this basis it is hardly an extreme argument to call for it’s complete eradication and banning.

               So what’s stopping us from banning coal?

               The only thing stopping us is the political will to do so.

               Part 2, will be how we build that political will.
               • SHG (not Colonial Viper) …

                 6 January 2013 at 2:36 am

                 The single most important contribution that any person can make to the fight against climate change is simple:

                 Have no children.
                 • Bill …

                   6 January 2013 at 7:27 am

                   If global warming was a population problem, then you’d have a point. But it isn’t. It’s a resource use problem. Most of the world’s population doesn’t contribute much in the way of carbon emissions. Car drivers do. People who fly in planes do. People with homes full of electrical gizmos do. People involved in varioous production and service industries do. When it’s broken down, it becomes clear that the resource use of a fairly small proportion of the world’s population lies at the heart of the problem. You could exterminate billions of people and not make any difference to carbon levels at all. Or you could radically alter the profligate lifestyles of a minority of the world’s population (probably inclusive of you and me) and stop this shit in its tracks.
                   • Jenny …

                     6 January 2013 at 7:38 am

                     You could exterminate billions of people and not make any difference to carbon levels at all.

                     Bill

                     The current plan.
                   • Jenny …

                     6 January 2013 at 8:29 am

                     To which I might add:
                     “The current plan”, – of the elites.

                     With a new baby on her hip, Naomi Kleine says;

                     “I’d Rather Fight Like Hell”

                     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/12/13

                     Naomi Kleine challenges the Left:

                     ….Climate change has the ability to undo your historic victories and crush your present struggles. So it’s time to come together, for real, and fight to preserve and extend what you care most about — which means engaging in the climate fight, really engaging, as if your life and your life’s work, even life itself, depended on it. Because they do.

                     SHG‘s misanthropic spite brings to mind Bob Dylan’s words condemning the elites:
                     “You throw the worst fear that can ever be hurled. The fear to bring children into the world.”

                     Of course access to safe reliable birth control and contraception and sex education should be part of the mix. No rational human being could deny it. But, as Bill so ably points out, pointing to overpopulation as the root cause of climate change, is a deeply cynical ploy that lets those really responsible for climate change out of the dock and frames those least responsible.

                     As Naomi Kleine says:

                     “Climate change is the human rights struggle of our time”
                   • SHG (not Colonial Viper) …

                     9 January 2013 at 3:56 pm

                     Or you could radically alter the profligate lifestyles of a minority of the world’s population (probably inclusive of you and me) and stop this shit in its tracks.

                     What’s the carbon footprint of a citizen of a wealthy 21st-century Western industrialised nation across that person’s entire lifetime?

                     Answer: a lot.

                     Do you know how to remove the burden of that person’s carbon footprint from the environment? Don’t conceive that person.

                     It’s not rocket science.
                 • Colonial Viper …

                   9 January 2013 at 4:02 pm

                   Do you know how to remove the burden of that person’s carbon footprint from the environment? Don’t conceive that person.

                   You didn’t think of volunteering for your own programme? Selfish bastard.
           • xtasy 4.1.2.1.1.2

             4 January 2013 at 1:51 am

             Jenny: Problem is, the people, the sum of individuals who bother to cast their votes, they put governments into place, who then run the state sectors and agencies.

             As I mention in some comments below, poorly informed people, not served well by media, manipulated, ill-informed and seduced by political players, who just want voters to put themselves into power – on promises nothing that will hurt them will be done, such people as voters actually keep the status quo!

             Fact is: Most people want to keep things as they are, so they can drive in cars everywhere, do not pay more for petrol, can maintain their quarter acre lifestyles, and they do NOT want to pay extra taxes for implementing what needs to be done.

             So awareness must change, information must be presented and communicated, education is needed, and that is not happening enough.

             Even with that, I fear, most will not want to get rid of their cars, most won’t want to use buses or trains, and in the end, people are likely to only change, when prices for petrol and else will force them to change.

             Foresight is not what I see much of, whether in individuals or as a collective measure.

             So it is all a bit of a catch-22, is it not?
     • bad12 4.1.3

       3 January 2013 at 8:21 pm

       The stand-out words in your above description of the cold in Russia,Ukraine, and, the Balkans, would have to be, ”it was so freezing cold like it hasn’t been for decades, in some places not for 100 years”,

       Not Global Climate change then…
       • xtasy 4.1.3.1

         3 January 2013 at 8:31 pm

         bad12:

         Nonsense, of course it is a sign of global climate change.

         I only picked that current extreme weather in Eurasia for an example, as it is fresh information. It was either last summer, or before, where in Eastern Europe it was also unbelievably extremely hot, due to a severe heatwave, which caused droughts, destroyed much crops, led to a grain export ban in Russia, killed hundreds and which was very unusual also.

         Heatwaves, same as the odd extremely cold weather, have become much more frequent there, but on average, the extremes are more towards the heatwaves, less so the freezing cold weather extremes. That clearly indicates more proof of global warming.

         It is happening all over the world, that is in Asia, Europe, North America, Africa, Australia, and also, but maybe a bit less so, in South America and in New Zealand.
         • bad12 4.1.3.1.1

           3 January 2013 at 8:51 pm

           So what was the extreme cold 100 years ago then???, Scotch Mist???…
           • xtasy 4.1.3.1.1.1

             4 January 2013 at 12:40 am

             bad12

             You adhere to selective views and picking just bits that you think may serve your position.

             Put things into context, please.

             One exceptionally cold winter spell during general warming and increased heat-waves does not disprove global warming.
             • bad12 …

               4 January 2013 at 8:01 am

               Selective views which serve my position, what position is that???, seeing as i have indicated no position either way you have in your own mind assigned me to a position that i may or may not hold,

               The recent New York ‘super-storm’ while unusual is not an unheard of occurrence,as i said above, IF in the next decade New York regularly attracts similar storms then that would definitely indicate ‘climate change’,

               The recent Samoan ‘super-storm’ is entirely ‘normal’ for the area, Samoa being the direct recipient of such storms on a irregular basis that averages out to 3 such events a decade,

               The ‘climate’ on the Planet Earth has always changed, from ice-age to no ice-age has been a repetitive event over millions of years and i have never attempted to refute such,

               The difference being that where you (appear) to believe that man can and does have a marked effect upon such changes to the climate i am less than convinced…
               • xtasy …

                 4 January 2013 at 2:22 pm

                 bad12:

                 From your comments so far I can certainly come to conclude, that your “position” is that of a climate change or global warming SCEPTIC.

                 Hence my comments. Being a sceptic is to me a position of sorts, even if it may leave open a clear positioning like “pro” or “against” at present, it certainly means you so far throw doubt on actually increasingly proved scientific evidence.

                 And I am convinced that man has due to the unprecedented use of fossil fuels and resultant pollution a serious impact on global climate, but I concede, that may not be the only reason for all the changes discussed here. At least it substantially aggravates the changes towards global warming.
                 • bad12 …

                   4 January 2013 at 4:38 pm

                   Nope, i am in no way a SCEPTIC as far as climate change goes, as i said it,(climate), always has and always will,(change that is),

                   What does amuse me is the constant ‘we are doomed’ attitude of those who adhere to the ‘man made global warming’ theory, (IF the West Antarctic ice-sheets melt it will be a FACT),

                   There’s a sense of desperation in the fact that every weather event, be it German heatwave or New York super-storm is roped in, mixed with totally emotive language such as the power of X number of Hiroshima bombs and then applied to ‘climate change’ as part of the gospel of proof,

                   Since time began the climate has delivered a chaotic pattern and within such chaos there have been through the ages ‘events’ without rhyme or reason which occur and then are not repeated,

                   Our own Cyclone Bola, possibly the most damaging storm to have hit this country since modern records have been gathered being a case in point,

                   Like you i use electricity and fossil fuels extremely sparingly, my rubbish to landfill equates to 1 supermarket shopping bag every 2 weeks and the rest is either recycled or buried as compost in my very large garden, as far as my personal responsibility goes that is pretty much the limit of what i can personally achieve in an effort to personally not generate CO2 to the atmosphere,

                   However, i see no real evidence of extreme climate change effects of an ongoing nature here in New Zealand, just the odd piece of weather chaos that is extreme but as yet not of an ongoing nature so as to be described as climate change,

                   At most as far as climate change effects go my ‘feeling’ is that the volume of rain that falls upon our wee islands has increased somewhat but over the 5 odd years that such an increase has become manifest,(in my thinking at least), this is hardly catastrophic and may only be indication of a slight movement of weather patterns…
                   • xtasy …

                     4 January 2013 at 5:27 pm

                     Hahaha –

                     “However, i see no real evidence of extreme climate change effects of an ongoing nature here in New Zealand, just the odd piece of weather chaos that is extreme but as yet not of an ongoing nature so as to be described as climate change…”

                     Little NZ is a drop in the ocean as a land mass, surrounded largely by a vast ocean, and on the west by the Tasman Sea.

                     So this makes usually for very changeable day to day weather patterns, but as the seawater is always a kind of “stabilising factor” or “cushioning” temperature and precipitation changes, NZ is not as severely affected as larger landmasses.

                     As for extreme climate events always having occurred, yes that is correct, but look at historic frequencies of specific types, a long term trend and look at research of Arctic and Antarctic sample drills collecting organic and inorganic matter that has been researched for decades now.

                     From that scientists have been able to establish past warm and cold periods, same as by looking at fossilised trees and other stuff.

                     Scientists overwhelmingly back up, what this story by lprent is all about!
                   • lprent …

                     4 January 2013 at 8:45 pm

                     However, i see no real evidence of extreme climate change effects of an ongoing nature here in New Zealand, just the odd piece of weather chaos that is extreme but as yet not of an ongoing nature so as to be described as climate change,

                     Agreed, NZ has the advantage of being nestled in oceans and between several ocean currents (warm and cold) that moderate the effects of climate change on our land mass massively. We also have the worlds biggest cooling device just south of us. You could have the average world temperature go up by 6 degrees over the next century (my guesstimate), and only see a change of ~1.5-2.0 degrees C here with the associated climate shifts from west to east. We will get some sea level changes over the next century that will probably mostly affect people silly enough to build on cliffs, foreshore dunes, and reclaimed land. Unless as you say the WAIS melts and we suddenly have Remuera island – but it is slow moving and unlikely to cause problems.

                     However NZ is highly orientated to both import and export, doesn’t have the ability to provide all of the economic or even nutritional (think selenium for instance) requirements that we need. FFS while we can provide enough meat and dairy to give 50 million people a very high protein diet, I’ll bet that we can’t provide them with enough grain carbohydrates.

                     And think about that word “average”. It means that if we get 2C here then some other area of the world is getting 10. That somewhere will probably be somewhere we depend upon. Like somewhere that provides us with ethernet chips…

                     Don’t be so complacent.
                   • Possion …

                     4 January 2013 at 9:36 pm

                     The jet streams ( or at least the expectations) are that AGW or at least the GHG will send the jet streams poleward( in the annular mode we see the subtropical jet move poleward by 20 degrees latitude) in the SH the poleward excursions are forced mostly by the o3 forcing.

                     Recent observations show both the effects of a topographical landscape and the meandering rivers of the landscape,( as a rule of thumb 15 Dobson units is around 1c.)

                     http://www.temis.nl/protocols/o3field/data/gome2/2013/01/o3col2013010412_sp.gif

                     http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_sohem_00.gif

                     In the reference dates 4/1/13 we see a 3c boundary shouldering NZ to the south and east with the concomitant colder flow inbound to nz.
                   • One Tāne Viper …

                     6 January 2013 at 3:29 pm

                     climate has delivered a chaotic pattern

                     No, it hasn’t.

                     …weather is ruled by the vagaries of stochastic fluctuations, while climate is not. Imagine a pot of boiling water. A weather forecast is like the attempt to predict where the next bubble is going to rise (physically this is an initial value problem). A climate statement would be that the average temperature of the boiling water is 100ºC at normal pressure, while it is only 90ºC at 2,500 meters altitude in the mountains, due to the lower pressure
           • lprent 4.1.3.1.1.2

             4 January 2013 at 6:41 am

             That was weather, not scotch mist. You shoud really learn to distinguish the difference.

             Climate is a statistical accumulation of weather. Statistically we are currently showing a marked trend in having a trend towards more extreme weather in different locations that is consistent with having more energy in the atmosphere and oceans driving climate changes.

             So in the case of Russia, the probability of having a similar cold snap or heat wave has probably declined from once a century to something like once a decade because of shifts in the jetstreams
             • bad12 …

               4 January 2013 at 7:35 am

               Of course, Scotch Mist being my facetious reply, my view supported somewhat by the quote ”It was so freezing cold like it hasn’t been for decades”, in the comment which was at the heart of my comment is that such ‘freezing cold’ temperatures have been pretty much the norm for the area,

               The ‘heatwave’ seems to be more of an abnormality, and, given their continuation on an annual, semi-annual basis would definitely indicate ‘climate change’ so it will be an interesting watch…
             • rosy …

               4 January 2013 at 7:44 am

               In addition to Europe’s weather woes, the UK has had the second wettest year on record. (since 1910).

               Of greater importance is the wettest year on record was a mere 12 years ago and four of the top five wettest years have occurred since then.

               Analysis by the Met Office also suggests that the UK may be getting increasingly wetter as climate change causes warmer air to carry more water. Days of extreme rainfall – downpours expected once every 100 days – occurred every 70 days in 2012…

               …”Rainfall has increased in recent decades over many parts of the northern hemisphere and we’re seeing rain falling in heavier bursts,” said Prof Nigel Arnell, at the University of Reading. “The sort of wet winters we currently see over northern Europe just once every 20 years could happen almost every other year by the end of the century
             • mike e vipe e …

               4 January 2013 at 5:30 pm

               lprent i can’t use my smart phone on your site it always shuts down 1/2 way through replies but most of the time it won’t even open. thanks lprent
               • lprent …

                 4 January 2013 at 8:21 pm

                 What type of cell? There are a wide range of smartphones that get a reasonable good system. If it isn’t one of the following signatures, then I have no idea what would happen.

                 1. Apple iOS/Webkit
                    iphone, ipod, incognito, webmate
                 2. Android OS
                    android, dream, cupcake, froyo
                 3. Blackberry Storm/Torch/Bold/Curve
                    blackberry9500, blackberry9520, blackberry9530, blackberry9550, blackberry 9800, blackberry 9850, blackberry 9860, blackberry 9780, blackberry 9790, blackberry 9900, blackberry 9930, blackberry 9350, blackberry 9360, blackberry 9370, blackberry 9380, blackberry 9810
                 4. Windows Phone 7/9
                    iemobile/7.0, iemobile/9.0
                 5. Palm Pre/Pixi
                    webos
                 6. Samsung
                    s8000, bada
                 7. Other
                    googlebot-mobile, adsbot-google

                 iPad support is turned off as the standard site works well on my iPad 1
   • MrV 4.2

     4 January 2013 at 11:00 pm

     It’s called weather.
5. xtasy 5

   3 January 2013 at 8:23 pm

   To get the message about the seriousness of climate change and other major issues across to all people in the public, who are ultimately going to vote governments in and out, perhaps a resolute, innovative step needs to be taken, by introducing a mandatory code of conduct in regards to news delivery by all public and private media.

   The media should be compelled to report scientific details also to any such freak and extreme weather events, by getting competent, balanced and widely respected scientists to give their side to causes of weather changes, to crimes being committed and reported on, to social problems like homelessness, poverty, truancy of school children, poor nutrition, on pollution, on pests coming into the country, and what else comes to mind.

   If any media is not living up to report competently and offer such essential, additional, scientifically based and proved information also, then they should be warned, sanctioned, punished by way of fines, or in too many repeat offences, in the case of broadcasters, lose their licence, in the case of other media have other rights or licences revoked.

   Of course it may be hard to enforce, but while there are all kinds of laws, regulations, rules and codes brought in for all kinds of other aspects of our lives, why can something like this not be done?

   This lack of public awareness, that is still very wide spread is a major hindrance to achieve any progress. As long as the public are kept ignorant, only get presented sensationalistic news bits, little relevant back-ground information, and are thus not properly informed, such ruthless, irresponsible government as the one in power now, will be able to mislead the public, play on sentiment, promise security of existing life-styles and distort the truth, and then get voted in again.

   The Greens are doing their bit of course, so are other organisations and groups, but without the media being held to account, nothing much will change, until it is too late.
   • Andre 5.1

     3 January 2013 at 8:54 pm

     Remember those scientists in Italy which were sanctioned via jail for not giving a fair outlook for the risk of earthquake in Italy.That was in my opinion was so wrong BUT . Various media and corporate interests keep negating climate science for commercial advantage .Is this a crime against humanity ?
   • Jenny 5.2

     3 January 2013 at 9:48 pm

     While I would agree that the media have a role to play. It is not enough to blame the messenger, when that message is not being relayed to them by those leaders with the duty to give it.

     In this I include the Green Party who have quite deliberately and consciously decided to down play climate change. For electoral gain, for cabinet seats, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

     The effect is to make public political debate about climate change a no go area.

     How can we blame the media when the politicians are silent.
     • Andre 5.2.1

       3 January 2013 at 10:04 pm

       I Agree with you. Who jumps first …Seems that until something happens close to home in NZ they/we keep our heads down on the topic. Chicken and egg …. Zeitgeist.
     • xtasy 5.2.2

       4 January 2013 at 1:39 am

       Jenny: My comment above was just a thought about how to hold the media accountable for ensuring objective, fact based and informative reporting, rather than news snippets of sensationalistic, non-informative live casts and brief reports, that tell the viewers and listeners nothing about any likely reasons behind events, about long term trends and statistics.

       In general I have repeatedly been criticising the media strongly, and this is mostly the mainstream media, for failing in their journalistic duties and professionalism.

       It is the role of the media to play the so-called 4th estate role, to question, examine, research and challenge politicians, administrators, businesses and any kind of other organisations or persons. After doing that then comes the reporting!

       We get virtually no investigative journalism anymore. Most journos are graduates from various journalism training courses, and many have studied no other specialist subjects giving them little or no expert knowledge and insight on areas that they may need to report on. It used to be common, and in a very limited way still is so with some larger media, that they had some journalists and reporters focus on specific areas. They used to be able to gather experience, insight and knowledge on matters from such areas, and hence would have been competent enough to ask the hard questions.

       I see more and more very superficially educated and not specialised journalists. I even got feed-back from some well-knows ones, about why they would not dig deep anymore. They are not given the time, money and opportunity to research and write in-depth stories now. Many sit there, get endless press-releases, hash them up a bit and get that released as articles, opinions and so forth.

       So how can you just blame the politicians and protect an increasingly useless “messenger”? The media should not just be the messenger, they should be the researcher, challenger and then also the “informer”, which they are no longer! They are rather the passers on of selective informations from press releases, the odd O.I.A., comments from some self-serving politicians and other persons, and nothing much else.

       Of course this poor state of affairs shall not let the politicians off the hook. How can so poorly informed people out there then exercise their democratic rights to vote, being so appallingly served by all of these? We see the result around us.
     • karol 5.2.3

       4 January 2013 at 9:06 am

       In this I include the Green Party who have quite deliberately and consciously decided to down play climate change. For electoral gain, for cabinet seats, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

       Evidence, please? You keep repeating this distortion, Jenny. More Green MPs than Labour ones have been giving speches, press releases and asking questions about climate change than have Labour MPs.

       The Greens have extended their main focus to include the fight against poverty and inequality with environmental issues, which includes climate issues.

       Among other things that Norman and other Green MPs said and did re-climate change in the last year, in December, Russel Norman said:

       The annual Climate Change Performance Index report, released this week at the international climate talks being held in Doha, evaluates and compares the climate protection performance of the countries that are together responsible for more than 90 percent of global energy-related CO2 emissions.

       “Prime Minister John Key yesterday said ‘New Zealand can hold its head up high when it comes to climate change’ yet his actions are undermining our reputation and a new report shows we are not doing well,” Dr Norman said.

       “The report ranks New Zealand as poor on its climate change performance; very poor for its emissions level; and very poor for climate policy.

       “Those results are likely to be even worse next year given the National Government has gutted the Emissions Trading Scheme as a tool for reducing emissions, and has decided not to sign up for binding reductions under the Kyoto Protocol.

       “The National Government’s position at international climate change talks in Doha is embarrassing. The National Government won’t sign up for binding emissions but it is asking to still be able to benefit from access to international carbon markets under the Kyoto Protocol.

       Kennedy Graham on climate change in November 2012, and December 2012, a couple of the many statements, questions and speeches he made on the issue in and outside the House last year.
       • Jenny 5.2.3.1

         6 January 2013 at 9:53 am

         There is more than enough evidence to show that climate change is a poor third leg when it comes to policy planks by the Green Party.

         Is this a “distortion”?

         Karol talk to anyone in the know inside the Green Party and they will confirm to you that the Green Party deliberately decided to play down climate change at the last election. You won’t see it written down anywhere, but that is a fact. And all indications are, that the Greens will continue this policy into the next election.

         Talk by Metiria Turia about the issue of climate change being “integrated” with all their other policies is just so much cynical green washing.
         • QoTViper 5.2.3.1.1

           6 January 2013 at 11:27 am

           Jenny, there’s a couple of problems here.

           1) You keep shifting the goalposts. First you state the Green Party has “deliberately and consciously decided to down play climate change”, then suddenly it’s just “climate change is a poor third leg”. These aren’t the same thing at all, and back-pedalling your arguments in this way looks, well, kinda disingenuous.

           2) You’re the one making the assertion that there has been a deliberate back-down on climate change by the Green Party. You need to back that up if you expect others to accept it. Telling karol that it’s her job to “talk to anyone in the know” is ignoring the burden of proof, which is on you, because you’re the one making the assertion.

           Saying “oh it’s not written down anywhere but it’s obvious” is hardly a compelling argument, especially when other commenters like karol are producing a lot of links to a lot of Green Party activity on climate change.
           • Jenny 5.2.3.1.1.1

             6 January 2013 at 9:35 pm

             You are just splitting hairs, QoT. “Third leg”, “down played”, What’s the difference? I only use different words to drive the point home. You can make a case out of it if you choose.

             Karol has provided evidence that the Green Party occasionally make statements about climate change. Well so does every other political party to a greater or lesser degree.(with the possible exception of ACT) So what?

             The Green Party deliberately decided to downplay climate change at the last election.

             The Green Party are prepared to overlook their policy of opposition to new coal mines in exchange for cabinet positions.

             The Green Party have a policy goal of making New Zealand coal free by 2020, but no program for getting there.

             When the Greens refuse to challenge Labour over climate change in opposition, they are even less likely to do so in government with them. In the end the Greens will wind up supporting policies that they were set up to oppose.

             This tragic political trajectory will destroy the Green Party. This is as inevitable as night follows day.

             There are many historical examples of third parties that were destroyed in this manner.

             The only question will be which one of these failed leaders will Russel Norman come closest to resemble?

             Joshka Fischer?, Jim Anderton?, Nick Clegg?, Tariana Turia?
         • KJT 5.2.3.1.2

           6 January 2013 at 2:56 pm

           Jenny if this is the case, how come no one told the Green leaders, or the members?

           Who are engaged in policy workshops over the last two months which has resulted in even more emphasis on a socially and environmentally sustainable vision.

           There has been no slackening off on AGW on the part of anyone in the Green party.

           Just because the Herald has decided to ignore anything on AGW or sustainability lately does not mean any change in policy or emphasis..

           Maybe it is “not written anywhere”, because it only exists in your own perception.
           • karol 5.2.3.1.2.1

             6 January 2013 at 5:50 pm

             Thanks, KJT & QOT.

             Yes, the evidence over the last year indicates to me that the GP has kept on the environment and climate change case.

             I am also pleased to see that have made a strong effort to foreground the issues of poverty, especially child poverty as part of their priorities. On the one hand they have Jenny saying they’ve dropped the climate change issues, on the other I’ve seen commenters on TS saying the GP is all middle-class blue-greenies.

             Because they are first and foremost seen as being focused on environmental issues, I can see it may have needed a stronger effort to show Kiwis they are also strong on the anti-poverty issues, and on creating an economy that ensures a living wage for all. It doesn’t mean they have stopped focusing on climate change.
             • Jenny …

               8 January 2013 at 3:37 am

               It doesn’t mean they have stopped focusing on climate change.

               karol

               Doesn’t it?

               Karol in your post on Meteria Turei’s 2012 retrospective of the Green Party on TV3. After noting that climate change, (surely the biggest environmental issue of the year), was never mentioned. You wrote in an update, that Turei had later said on RNZ, “that green issues are integrated with their other policies.” Notice that Turei didn’t say “that climate change issues are integrated with their other policies.” I was tempted to listen right through the RNZ audio to check whether you had heard it right. As well as reading through all the other obscure links you have provided. But I then thought, why should I bother, no body else does. Certainly not the vast majority of the voting public.

               Not until the Green Party start making bold policy addresses on climate change that can be captured in a single sound bite, will the voting public be aware that it is even an issue with them. Of course this is what the Green Party insiders I have talked to fear. Their fear is, (and they have argued it strongly) that raising the issue of climate change is a vote killer.

               Does this mean the Greens have stopped focusing on climate change?

               Undoubtedly! (despite what you and others say)

               The Green Party are making a terrible mistake. And, where it might cost them votes in the short term, (which is disputable). In the long term it will see their disintegration as an electoral force. This is inevitable when you start betraying principle for electoral gain.

               Just try to act surprised when it happens. (And remember if you can. You heard it here first),
   • JonL 5.3

     4 January 2013 at 3:08 pm

     Much as I hate quoting old dead dudes…but….Thomas Jefferson….

     ” – I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion”

     Control the media, and you control the discretion of the majority who don’t think too much about what’s really going on – until it directly impacts them!
6. joe90 6

   3 January 2013 at 9:13 pm

   More to ignore.

   By comparing reconstructions of atmospheric CO2 concentrations and sea level over the past 40 million years, researchers based at the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton have found that greenhouse gas concentrations similar to the present (almost 400 parts per million) were systematically associated with sea levels at least nine metres above current levels.

   http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/nocs-nsd010213.php
   • Andre 6.1

     3 January 2013 at 9:42 pm

     JOE 90 Can you Paraphrase please .thanks
     • McFliper 6.1.1

       3 January 2013 at 9:57 pm

       Basically, whenever CO2 was at the concentrations it is in today, sea levels were really high. As in Paeroa would be under water.
       • Andre 6.1.1.1

         3 January 2013 at 10:06 pm

         Ta
         • Andre 6.1.1.1.1

           3 January 2013 at 10:08 pm

           Mc flipper sorry just got it…. giggle
           • McFliper 6.1.1.1.1.1

             3 January 2013 at 10:21 pm

             lol – completely unintentional. Nice spotting – argh there we go again 🙂
             • Rogue Trooper …

               4 January 2013 at 8:50 pm

               Spot On 🙂
   • joe90 6.2

     3 January 2013 at 10:12 pm

     The realities, as above where an historical record confirms current observation and forecast, will in the main be ignored.

     edit: ta McFliper.
     • Andre 6.2.1

       3 January 2013 at 10:28 pm

       So if we added lemon to paeroa and lots of water, increased C02,,, sounds refreshing
   • bad12 6.3

     4 January 2013 at 8:14 am

     You should read that to yourself again really slowly, IF throughout the history of climate sea levels were at least 9 meters higher than they are today when CO2 levels were at today’s levels then where are the corresponding sea-level rises today???,

     Your argument actually points out that despite having CO2 levels that at other times in the Earths history of climate have seen sea-levels 9 meters higher than today’s there is no corresponding sea-level rise NOW despite the CO2 levels being as high as previously…
     • Zorr 6.3.1

       4 January 2013 at 8:49 am

       The effect of the concentration of CO2 on the environment is a lagging indicator of approximately 50 years.

       What we are experiencing now is, essentially, the results of the CO2 concentration of the 1960s-1970s… the real worry is when we start hitting the middle of this century. We can only hope that we do enough to avert the disaster… it is part of the reason why they use the 1990 levels as a baseline for where they want to get back to.
     • Draco T Bastard 6.3.2

       4 January 2013 at 9:17 am

       /facepalm

       It’s going to take a while for the ice to melt but it will melt.
       • xtasy 6.3.2.1

         4 January 2013 at 2:31 pm

         It is doing just that, at a pace that virtually all scientific projections have under-estimated.

         So I am sure there will be some big surprises coming within the next 20 to 50 years, and they will not be pleasant ones.

         I just wonder, whether any developers, councils and others involved, who are wanting to spend billions on water-front developments in many large cities worldwide, which includes Auckland of course, have given sufficient considerations to what will come.

         With so much enthusiasm about water-front projects in Downtown Auckland and so, I fear millions, yes billions will be spent on projects that will in not too distant a future be under water again, or in danger of regular flooding.

         Len Brown, perhaps have some more discussions here??!
         • bad12 6.3.2.1.1

           5 January 2013 at 7:43 am

           If it’s all going to be under water why then is the ‘left’ so hell bent on an underground railway loop???…
           • RedLogix 6.3.2.1.1.1

             5 January 2013 at 8:58 am

             Well yes a sensible question …

             What you are asking is just one tiny, tiny symptom of the enormous cognitive disconnect going on here.
             • bad12 …

               5 January 2013 at 10:11 am

               Aha, it may look on the surface like i am just nit-picking, but, given the projections putting infrastructure underground shouldn’t be an option…
               • Andre …

                 5 January 2013 at 3:45 pm

                 Is there any studys on NZ and sea rise and storm surge ? This would be information gold..
                 • bad12 …

                   6 January 2013 at 7:40 pm

                   I have never seen any, it’s an interesting area tho, was thinking today that even at 7 meters there would be quite a bit of collateral damage from high rainfall in river catchments…
           • xtasy 6.3.2.1.1.2

             5 January 2013 at 5:12 pm

             Hahahaha, because it can both be underground and under water at the same time – like there are tunnels going through underneath lakes, bays and so forth also (in other places)!?

             I am also not sure, whether it is “the left” in general who may favour a rail tunnel in Auckland, as the may be some on “the left” who may prefer other public transport options.

             But good try, to move onto another topic here, when you run out of arguments.

             Surely not “all” will go under water in Downtown Auckland, but the waterfront will partly be, and there will be higher risk of flooding, which though can and will be possible to deal with by building flood guards and dams, like they do in the Netherlands.

             One must fairly ask though, will the costs be justified and will it be paid for and done?

             Auckland land above the water level actually rises steadily when moving away from the waterfront and up Queen Street, Albert Street and so forth.
             • bad12 …

               6 January 2013 at 8:49 am

               Change the subject??? your lacking a little comprehension skills, YOU brought up the subject of building stuff in Auckland,

               Given that there are many that take it as Gospel that the West Antarctic ice-sheet WILL melt protecting an underground piece of infrastructure such as the proposed Auckland inner city rail loop would need such ‘protection to be at least 9 meters high’,

               Your little Hahaha’s signal you are amused,perhaps you would care to share???
               • RedLogix …

                 6 January 2013 at 9:22 am

                 I invite you to take another closer look at the 7m sea-level rise map linked to at 6.1.1 above.

                 It’s not just Auckland; half of Christchurch east of Fitzgerald Ave is submerged, Petone, Alicetown and much of Lower Hutt (along with the aquifer that supplies much of the city’s water), the Hutt motorway and rail link, all the reclaimed land in central Wellington … all gone. Examples of this all over the place.

                 While 7m rise only affects a tiny percentage of our total land-mass; because so many of our critical assets are either at or below sea-level … the impact is huge.

                 Given that there are many that take it as Gospel that the West Antarctic ice-sheet WILL melt

                 Not so much Gospel; but based on actual evidence. I personally know some of the guys involved in the ANDRILL Project. These are the people who actually DO the field work, who put in the enormous amount of time, skill and dedication to get REAL data.

                 What they publish is measured and professional in tone. What they say in private is far more direct and blunt.
                 • bad12 …

                   6 January 2013 at 9:40 am

                   My loose use of the word Gospel is used in the vein of ‘true belief’, and should the worse case scenario happen where i live will become an island as it once was a few hundred years ago…
                   • One Tāne Viper …

                     6 January 2013 at 7:47 pm

                     It may well become an island, but you will not.
           • Rogue Trooper 6.3.2.1.1.3

             6 January 2013 at 4:55 pm

             Hitchcocks Railway?
             • bad12 …

               6 January 2013 at 7:37 pm

               You what???…
7. Jenny 7

   3 January 2013 at 11:22 pm

   ‘

   From the US: What is the political priority, economics or climate change?

   Similarly, back here in NZ, Russel Norman publicly raises finance portfolios and cabinet positions with David Shearer, both deliberately neglect any mention of disagreement over climate change.

   Russel Norman “wants the Minister of Finance job and his MPs to get a third of the seats in cabinet.” TV3 News

   In her post commenting on the Green Party end of year retrospective, delivered by Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei, TS author Karol wrote:

   “I was particularly impressed with Turei’s focus on child poverty, and the need for a more fair and equal society….

   “However, on the debit side. Turei did not once mention the urgent matter of climate change.

   For an environmental party this is unacceptable. This is not an oversight, this is a deliberate and glaring omission.
   It is obvious that in exchange for cabinet positions in the next government – Green Party leaders are preparing to give away Green Party opposition to Labour Party policies that will worsen climate change.
   • Andre 7.1

     4 January 2013 at 12:32 am

     “It is obvious that in exchange for cabinet positions in the next government – Green Party leaders are preparing to give away Green Party opposition to Labour Party policies that will worsen climate change” ….. .. Is this labour direction on climate then ?
   • karol 7.2

     4 January 2013 at 9:13 am

     Jenny, you are quoting very selectively to support your personal vendetta against the Green Party. that link to the 3 News report was a Gower beat-up. The Greens weren’t asking for those cabinet positions, and it was all Patrick Gower’s selection of portfolios for the Green MPs – Gower ignored climate change and allocated the portfolios to Green MPs according to his priorities.

     And please stop quoting me selectively. See also my references to other statements by Green MPs above @9.06am.
8. George D 8

   4 January 2013 at 1:30 am

   This is one reason I (as a Green and green activist for years) don’t want Shearer as the next PM. I have no confidence that he would take us towards the change we need.

   Cunliffe I doubt less, almost entirely on the basis of the comment he made about Plimsoll in that speech, which signaled a willingness to serve conflict and take on vested interests in the public and long term good. I lack such a signal from Shearer (though would happily listen to one).
9. Curran's Viper 9

   4 January 2013 at 8:55 am

   You forgot to mention something extremely important in our cultural climate

   .. The Korean Wave

   http://www.uky.edu/Centers/Asia/SECAAS/Seras/2009/02_Ravina_2009.pdf

   and gangnam style

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangnam_Style

   which Aotearoa/NZ may well come to increasingly resemble.
10. Tom 10

    4 January 2013 at 9:55 am

    What is Julia Gillard doing in the home page image ?

    Is someone suggesting we relocate to the driest continent on earth ?

    It puts a new slant on climate change.
11. Afewknowthetruth 11

    4 January 2013 at 12:02 pm

    The Second World War was not fought to defeat fascism: it was fought to decide which group of fascists (American-British and their offshoots, or German-Italian-Japanese) would dominate the world. The international bankers would have been quite happy whatever the result.

    As things stand we live in a faux democracy in which the money lenders and corporations decide what policy will be, and bought-and-paid-for liars and hypocrites pretend to govern while they facilitate meltdown of the planet. Money is created out of thin air and interest is charged on it. Most of that money is used to destroy the environment, both in the present and in the future. Add to that catastrophic predicament overshoot of human population by a factor of at least tenfold and we see what a mess we are in. And the general populace are oblivious, since they are distracted and entertained in the short term by the blather of nonsense that comes from mainstream media and various government agencies.

    This will all end very badly.
    • xtasy 11.1

      4 January 2013 at 2:43 pm

      Interesting post – with some truth in this.

      Yes, having looked at some old British newspapers in archives kept at libraries, and having read some articles from before the 2nd World War (from the time between the two great wars), I cam across some fairly blunt and derogative references to coloured and black people, jews and others, indeed, I wondered where all that talk about fighting for freedom and democracy really came from, when Churchill and others held speeches to motivate people to fight the Nazis.

      Of course the Nazis in Germany were extreme, totally criminal racists committing the worst of crimes, but they were not the only racists around then. The Brits also still tried to hang onto many colonies after the 2nd WW, same as the French and a few others did, naturally without success.

      Fascism has many faces, but boils down to some core similarities.

      And the large banks in German controlled Europe, same as large manufacturing and other sector corporations, they were quite happy to work with Hitler and his government.

      So wars are naturally also much about economic and strategic interests, in most cases nothing much else to be honest.

      And “democracy” as we have it also only allows a bit of selected “freedoms”, which are increasingly being restricted. Economic interests of key players dictate to a large degree, what a government can (is allowed) to do, and what the people themselves can influence.

      The same applies to questions about climate, global warming and natural disasters resulting from this. Populations are seen as “markets”, and the unsustainable growth still happening worldwide, that is treated irresponsibly also, as the business sectors only look at more customers, not more costs and strains on resources.

      The day will come where the system will inevitably collapse, not in one big drama, but bit by bit, so the affected interest groups and populations will fight for survival against each other. Nothing good to look forward to, I must say, no matter how much may be tried to solve all these issues.
    • MrSmith 11.2

      4 January 2013 at 4:54 pm

      “I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy….. I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war.” – Abraham Lincoln

      And we know what happened to Lincoln!
    • RedLogix 11.3

      5 January 2013 at 9:08 am

      The state of the world reflects a distortion of the human spirit, not its essential nature.
      • Colonial Viper 11.3.1

        5 January 2013 at 9:21 am

        The state of the world reflects a superficial and temporary distortion of the human spirit, not its essential nature.

        If I may be so bold to painfully spell out what is already obvious to you, RL 🙂
        • RedLogix 11.3.1.1

          5 January 2013 at 9:33 am

          Bold? Not at all… and I have to confess it’s ‘un-attributed’.
      • MrSmith 11.3.2

        5 January 2013 at 10:20 am

        Or the belief in a spirt/spirt’s has allowed humans to ‘believe’ in things without a shred of evidence or fact, so ‘creating’ a race that when shown the facts or evidence don’t have to believe it.
        • RedLogix 11.3.2.1

          5 January 2013 at 10:25 am

          I guess the first mistake would be to try and debate the notion before even attempting to define it. (Or spell it even.)

          OK try this:

          “If poverty is not the result of nature, then great is our sin.” – Charles Darwin
          • MrSmith 11.3.2.1.1

            5 January 2013 at 11:46 am

            Part of the reason I’m here RL is to learn to write, spell and learn, but belittling people when they make mistakes says more about you then me, I don’t have a problem being corrected politely.

            What notion? this one? “The state of the world reflects a distortion of the human spirit, not its essential nature.”

            “If poverty is not the result of nature, then great is our sin.” – Charles Darwin

            If Darwin where around we could ask him, but as we can’t then no doubt the meaning will be distorted by the human spirt!
        • Colonial Viper 11.3.2.2

          5 January 2013 at 10:39 am

          MrSmith, belief and world view has always been more important to the direction of human civilisation than ‘the facts’ and ‘the evidence’. I don’t think there is any reason to believe that this is going to change at this point in history.
          • MrSmith 11.3.2.2.1

            5 January 2013 at 11:49 am

            Unfortunately your probably right.

            Nice to see you back CV, have you finished cleaning Shearers boots?
            • Colonial Viper 11.3.2.2.1.1

              5 January 2013 at 11:57 am

              Nice to see you back CV, have you finished cleaning Shearers jackboots?

              😈
              • xtasy …

                5 January 2013 at 11:39 pm

                The boots look like Shearer’s face: DULL – hence there was no polish and no polisher willing to gloss it all up. Conclusions can be drawn!?
        • xtasy 11.3.2.3

          5 January 2013 at 11:51 pm

          Humans are NOT a “race”, they are a SPECIES.

          Spirit or no spirit, it seems to be interpretation of the emotional state of mind of humans, which can change dramatically, same as human behaviour in general, human thinking, human values.

          There have been societies where cannibalism was considered acceptable, where polygamy, where slavery, where anarchy, totalitarism, communism, pacifism, vegetariansim and many other behaviours or lifestyles were quite “acceptable”. That should tell us something about “human nature” or “spirit”, even, which may not be the same, but as history proves, can change considerably over time and separately in different geographic and social areas.

          What happens in Iran is accepted or put up by most, what happens here is similarly accepted or endured, what happens in Egypt, Cuba, Colombia, Europe, the US or whereever, most humans get used to, accept or endure, fall in line and do whatever the rest do, being a “social animal”.

          Humans are actually able to learn, adapt, change and adjust much more than any other species, hence the right has never been “right” and proved that “socialism” or “communism” would and could not work, as it contradicts the very proof of so diverse human societies in history, abilities of humans to change and adjust and much more. There seems to be not absolute “right” or “wrong”.

          Stuff to really think about!
12. Fortran 12

    4 January 2013 at 1:21 pm

    We must be eternally grateful to live in New Zealand, climate wise.
    It rained last year, its rained this year, and it will rain next year, and the years after that.
    We can be certain of that.
    Rain makes things like grass grow, from which cattle can make milk and meat, sheep can make meat and wool, fruit trees can flourish annually dramatically, and snow brings in overseas paying skiers too.
    Many other countries in the world would love our rain, and warmth for simple sustenance.
    A Happy New Year to look forward to with our weather – no rain for much of Australia – 40c + temperatures – Bush Fires out of control.
    Serious floods when rain comes as ground so dry it just runs off.
    • mike e vipe e 12.1

      4 January 2013 at 5:32 pm

      fartrain don.t count your chickens before they hatch
13. Doug 13

    4 January 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Queensland 2012

    In summary:

    47 per cent of Queensland had average maximum temperatures, with 19 per cent below average, mainly in the north through to the central and central coast regions.
    49 per cent of Queensland had below average minimum temperatures.
    Applethorpe in the Granite Belt had the coolest nights and was the coolest place in the state on average overall.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/hot-and-cold-in-the-mostly-sunshine-state-20130103-2c7fw.html#ixzz2Gzp2tO8u

    Where is the Warming?
    • lprent 13.1

      4 January 2013 at 10:44 pm

      Let me see if I can make simple enough for you

      50% of all years are below average. This means that under normal circumstances that 50% of the years would be less than the average.

      Now if the tempatures were rising (in a freakish artificial way) by 1% per year then that would still mean that ~49% of the next year relative to the previous decades average would be ‘below average’. And in a decade ~40% of any year would be..

      Surely even a climate illiterate like yourself can figure out how silly your statement looks… What were you thinking?
14. BLiP 14

    5 January 2013 at 1:51 am

    .

    Since its election to power in 2008, the John Key led National Ltd™ government:

    has been caught out repeatedly lying in the run up to and during the election campaign about its real intentions in relation to the environment

    celebrated the opening of the foreign-owned Pike River Coal Ltd mine on DOC land adjacent to the Paparoa National Park from which 1 megatonne of coal will be extracted per year for the next 20 years – Pike River Coal Ltd has announced that it has found additional coal in the national park

    cancelled a proposed efficiency standard (MEPS) on incandescent lightbulbs

    reversed a moratorium on building new gas/oil/coal power stations

    removed the bio fuel subsidy

    scrapped the scheme that would have penalised imported vehicles producing high emissions

    removed regulations for water efficient new housing by Order in Council

    renewed leases on sensitive high country farms which were meant to return to DOC

    reversed restrictions on the freeholding of vast swathes of land on the edge of the Southern Lakes

    arbitrarily excised 400 hectares from the brand new Oteake Conservation Park, including the most important and, ecologically, the rarest part of the new Park, the tussock and shrubland that went right down to the banks of the Manuherikia River, to enable future access to lignite

    said nothing to say in regard to the World Commission on Protected areas of IUCN’s severe criticism of its intention to investigate mineral resources and mining opportunities in protected conservation areas including our three UNESCO World Heritage Sites of Te Wahi Pounamu-South West New Zealand, Tongariro National Park and the Sub Antarctic Islands

    approved two prospecting permit applications lodged by Australian iron-ore giant Fortescue Metals Group subsidiary FMG Pacific lodged in June – areas covered by the two-year permits include an 8204-square-kilometre area of seabed adjoining the west coast from Cape Reinga to the Manukau Harbour and a 3798-square-kilometre prospecting area of land from Cape Reinga to the Kaipara Harbour including Ninety Mile Beach, the west side of the Aupouri Peninsula, Kaitaia and the Hokianga.

    approved an additional prospecting permit for Fortescue Metals in relation to 3568sq km right next door to the Kahurangi National Park where the Heaphy Track is

    was forced to release its Ministry of Economic Development (MED) report under the Official Information Act that proclaims “significant mineral potential” in the Fiordland, Kahurangi and Paparoa national parks – the report said the Waitutu area of the Fiordland National Park had sufficient petroleum reserves to be “worthy” of inclusion in a review of conservation land protected from mining

    secretly granted the minerals industry the right to veto proposed National Park boundaries and permission for any such vetoes to be kept confidential – in spite of recommendations from its own officials against any such a veto

    Minster of Conservation Tim Grosser, on 29 August 2009, called for caring New Zealanders to halt their “emotional hysteria” and recognise that conservation land should be mined for minerals and went on to say “Mining in a modern, technological way can have a negligible effect”

    Associate Minister of Conservation Kate Wilkinson, in an interview in “Canterbury Farming” (June 2010 issue now offline) rubished her own department, DOC, suggesting it was incapable of looking after the high country reserves and parks under its control

    gutted the home insulation scheme

    pulled $300 million out of public transport, walking and cycling schemes and added it to a pot of $2 billion to ‘upgrade’ state highways

    changed the law to provide billions of dollar in subsidies for polluters via the ETS casino which is now a target for scamming by international criminals

    begun a process of gutting the Resource Management Act to make it difficult/impossible for the public to lodge appeals against developers

    removed the ability of Auckland to introduce a fuel levy to fund planned public transport upgrades

    left electrification of the Auckland rail network up in the air without promised funding commitments and then came through with a dodgy loan scheme and then unilaterally reorganised the local government structure before finally setting about the privatisation-by-stealth model when busting KiwiRail.

    removed the programme to make Government Departments ‘carbon neutral’ and also began its first wave of public sector redundancies starting with the Ministry for the Environment which was responsible for the scheme.

    removed funding for public tv advertising on sustainability and energy efficiency

    pulled funding for small-town public litter bin recycling schemes

    displayed cabinet ministers expressing public support the bulldozing of Fiordland

    reduced Department of Conservation funding by $54 million over three years

    canceled funding for the internationally acclaimed ‘Enviroschools’ programme

    usurped the democratic role of local Councils of determining policies for their citizens by requiring the abandonment of the efficient and well-established tree protection rules for urban areas

    set about revamping Auckland governance in a way that is likely to greatly reduce the ‘Environmental Watchdog’ role of the the current Regional Council (since completely fucked it up with the SuperShitty)

    removed Auckland’s metropolitan limits and opened the gateway for unfettered urban sprawl

    defended internationally the importation of rain-forest-wrecking palm kernel and stood silent while Federated Farmers called Greenpeace “terrorists” and criminals.

    stood silent while Godfrey Bloom, a Member of the European Parliament and infamous Climate Change Denialist, publicly rejoiced in the 1985 bombing of the Greenpeace Rainbow Warrior – who was doing so while standing on a dock next to the replacement vessel

    took a 0% emissions reduction target to Copenhagen. Yes, seriously, that isn’t a misprint – that was the lower bound of their negotiation platform – then missed the 01/02/10 deadline for commitment to action it had agreed to – meanwhile 55 of the 80 countries which attended did make the deadline

    secretly cancelled the internationally recognised scheme for the mandatory labelling of exotic woods to ensure the timber has not been taken from rain forests in direct contradiction of its own statements made at the 13th World Forestry Congress in Argentina

    supported the Department of Conservation’s decision to open up the pristine Cathedral Cove to an ice-cream franchise

    gave the Department of Conservsation $1.7 million to further develop commercial activities on DOC land and started an “off set” plan allowing company’s to damage the conservation estate if they agree to improve land elsewhere – no monitoring regime has been suggested on put in place

    left DOC director-general Al Morrison to announce that DOC is to charge for services that had been free and, to soften the public up to the idea that there will be more “energy generation schemes” operating on DOC land

    took no action to reduce existing pollution pouring into the Manawatu River and is “leaving it up to industry” to come up with solutions to heal the river which was described by the Cawthorn Institute as “one of the worst polluted in the Western world”

    announced a $1.69 million industry subsidy to kick start marine farming without identifying no-go areas nor putting in place a consultation process for individiuals, communities, and other general coastal users

    was forced to release documents under the Official Information Act which confirm that DOC has “giving up” on ecologically valuable high-country land in the Mackenzie Basin because of funding cuts. The released documents cite “statements made by ministers”, “diminishing funding” and the Government’s new high-country policies as reasons for the changed stance – the comments from DOC were made after Land Information New Zealand (Linz), which manages the tenure review process, ignored DOC’s previous conservation recommendations for the farms

    used former National Party minister and current director of Open Country Cheese – a company convicted of filthy farming practices and found by the supreme court to be a dodgy employer – Wyatt Creech to head up an enquiry into Environment Canterbury which had been standing up the dairy farmers’ demands for more and more water resources and less and less regulation. The Creech report recommended the Environmental Canterbury be sacked and replaced with government appointments and the voters of Canterbury do without democracy until the water situation had been resolved. The Canterbury area holds 50 percent of New Zealand’s fresh water reserves and 50 percent of the water required for hyrdo energy. The Creech report said Environmental Centerbury put too much focus on the environment.

    Was subjected to international condemnation for knowing next to nothing about the parlous state of the New Zealand fisheries,

    bucked international trends and poured more acid on the 100% Pure brand and increases the bluefin tuna quota.

    Squirmed when New Zealand is subject to international criticism for its backing of commericial whaling which National Ltd supports

    Funded Government-owned company Solid Energy runs an essay competition entitled “ The role of coal in sustainable energy solutions for New Zealand” for school children. First prize is a trip to New Zealand’s largest coal customer, China.

    Supported access fees for entrance onto DOC walkways – fee introduced following cuts to DOC’s budget.

    Pressed on with PR bullshit about how New Zealand’s environment would profit from mining national parks, Conservation Minister Kate Wilkinson says.

    Department of Conservation director-general Al Morrison said the conservation estate created “opportunities to do a whole lot for a lot of different people . . . we’ve got to get away from this idea that somehow we have to protect one-third of New Zealand for a certain constituency and put it in a jar of formaldehyde and leave it.”

    Created random fantasies of abundant wealth to promote all forms of mining

    Ignored reports on sustained non-compliance with resource consents and worsening pollution of water ways.

    Ignored its own Ministers possible conflicts of interest

    Did nothing as both its own SOE Meridian and the Department of Conservation to withdraw appeals against an 85m high damn with a 14km long reservoir on conservation land.

    Granted Energy Resources permission to ship Australian yellowcake uranium ore through New Zealand.

    Apologised but does nothing else for breaching the Treaty of Waitangi by granting a mining exploration permit to Brazilian company Petrobras

    Continued to remove environmental protection powers from local authorities

    Totally reversed gains made in the protection of National Parks and other high-value conservation areas in the South Island.

    commenced a divide-and-rule strategy by attempting to paint New Zealanders interested in protecting the environment as outside of the “mainstream” and in defence of the fact that the media is catching to its bare-faced lies in the lead up to the 2008 election.

    Carried on with more lies by talking about modern mining like that at Reefton being carried out by Oceana Golds as being like “key hole surgery”

    Appeared to believe that the tourists it is attempting to bring to New Zealand are all blind and won’t see for themselves the impact of the dairy farming it is subsidising to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars

    Appeared itself to be blind when it comes to the Chairman of Fonterra

    Supported the Commissioner for the Environment’s decision to delay the release of a report into the ramifications for climate change in regard to lignite mining and proposals to convert the lignite into diesel.

    Employed financial sleight of hand in shuffling funds towards business interests and away from community groups looking to protect the environment

    Made more empty promises when a report showing that a third of New Zealand lankes have poor quality water is released.

    Backed down on promises to protect New Zealand children (and the environment cleaner by more informed disposal) from harmful chemicals by improving labeling and imposing mandatory standards on containers

    Ignored the findings by attacking the messenger when a World Health Organisation report confirms that New Zealand’s main centres have the worst air in Australasia and Auckland is the most polluted with twice the concentration of damaging airborne particles as Sydney.

    Studiously ignored so as to take piss about dire warnings concerning the quality of drinking water in Reidstone.

    Didn’t mention in its 100% Pure promotions that visitors to the Kerikeri Basin near the Stone Store – one of Northland’s iconic tourism and heritage sites – could come face-to-face with warning signs telling them the water is polluted.

    Didn’t mention in its 100% Pure promotions that tourists in the Coromandel could come face to face with New Zealand’s environmental standards when finding hundreds of dead snapper washed up on Beaches.

    Presented bogus evidence concerning air pollution

    Made more empty promises in relation to air pollution while also extending deadlines for local councils to reduce air pollution.

    extended deadlines for businesses previously require to reduce air pollution by 2013.

    Put tourism operators in Akaroa at risk by refusing to make the harbour a marine reserve . . . and then rubs salt into their wounds

    Done nothing after the United Nations finds that National Ltd™’s targets for reducing pollution are not consistent with the measures put in place to achieve those targets:

    Attempted to defend the Emissions Trading Scheme from comparisons with the Australian model while Environment Minister Nick Smith indicates there’s little chance of the two schemes being integrated any time soon.

    Then further slowed down the implentation of New Zealand’s Emissions Trading Scheme:

    Allowed major retailers to reap the benefits of its earlier and secret decision to abandon the mandatory labelling of exotic woods after it is found that the retailers are contributing to the death of native Australian forests despite an independent, year-long investigation which finds otherwise.

    tried to keep a meeting between John Key and mininng company Anadarko’s boss secret. The company is responsble for a massive oil spill and is looking to to start drilling off New Zealand soon.

    Continued to ignore yet more evidence of farmers failing to comply with environmental regulations

    handed over $400 million to farmers to extend water storage and allow for more land to be used for dairy farms. No mention or provision is made for additional protections required to deal with the increased pollution.

    Didn’t point out in its 100% Pure promotion that tourists (and locals) should avoid the Opihi River along State Highway 1 because of the risk of exposure to toxins from phormidium.

    Didn’t point out in its 100% Pure promotions that tourists arriving at New Zealand’s “nuclear free” sea ports will be sharing the environment with up to 5,000 tonnes of radioactive yellow cake uranium.

    Lied about how bad the RMA is

    ignored top scientists and academics who point out that its underfunding of the Department of Conservation will send more species into extinction and hurt its 100% Pure image.

    Ignored John Key making an international arse out of himself in regard to New Zealand’s 100% Pure image:

    Carried on with its lies as New Zealand is identified as jeoparising its good name by allowing us to become one of a small number of states stalling progress in forming an international climate agreement.

    Kept stringing us along even after Next thing, New Zealand received the 2nd place Fossil Award for “proposing the most Flexible Mechanism imaginable with no oversight or review. Bring on the wild west. They want to be able to use any market mechanisms they wish with absolutely no oversight or international review! There would be no way to ensure that the units from one mechanism have not been sold two or three times to another such mechanism. This would likely unleash a wild west carbon market with double or triple counting of offsets and a likely increase of greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere.”

    Stood silent when Fonterra was caught out lying by overstating its farmer’s compliance on excluding stock from waterways by 100%.

    Put World class surfing waves and Maui’s dolphin’s at Raglan at severe risk by encouraging a proposed iron ore seabed mining in New Zealand’s coastal waters:

    Never followed up after the scientific models created by New Zealand and the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (CCAMLR) to allow fishing are called into question:

    Sets the scene for our children heading down to the park to find an overseas’ owned company had set up a dairy farm in one corner. Over time the shit builds up

    Ignores data which shows the expansion of fish-farming in the Marlborough Sounds could cause unacceptable changes in the coastal environment.

    Strategically removed the word “environment” from the lexicon of local and central government.

    Didn’t tell the tourists it hopes to attact with its 100% Pure campaign that every year, New Zealand drops huge quantities of poison-laced food into its forest ecosystems; enough poison to kill its human population 4 times over, every year. No country has ever done anything remotely similar, on such a scale

    Didn’t tell the tourists it hopes to attract with its 100% Pure campaign that more than a third of Auckland’s beaches fail water quality checks and are closed for swimming

    Still ignored the closing of the beaches, this time as extremely high concentrations of the bacteria enterococci are identified.

    Still ignored Ministerial conflicts of interest, this time involving John Key who is identified as shareholder in the Bank Of America which is backing mining in New Zealand and Australia . . . even when more information is made available . . . and more information . . . and more information

    Pressed on with additional policies that move away from the protection of the environment towards exploitation

    Limited , as part of its effort to cash-in on the environment, access to some of New Zealand’s most endangered species and isolated islands only to those who those who contribute financially displacing conservation staff and scientists.

    ignored a World Wildlife Fund report, Beyond Rio, which makes clear New Zealand now risks some of the highest rates of biodiversity loss on Earth unless urgent action is taken.

    Fonterra director Colin Armer is convicted and fined $72,000 for “fouling” a Bay of Plenty waterway after a judge found he could have prevented the pollution were it not for his “systemic” failure to monitor what was happening on his company’s farm.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/pollution/news/article.cfm?c_id=281&objectid=10815436

    National Ltd™ lies when it says New Zealand has the environmental laws and regulations to control oil and gas development on the continental shelf because thereis no equivalent of the Resource Management Act to control oil and gas activity outside of the territorial sea (12 nautical miles offshore).
    http://www.eco.org.nz/key-issues/oceans.html

    lied when it had already agreed coastal plans to allow marine farming consent holders in the Waikato and Marlborough to move from mussel farming to finfish farming without considering the additional environmental effects imposed.

    Put short-term business interests ahead of long-term consequences to New Zealand’s environment, particularly biodiversity by allowing damage in one area on the condition that it be “off set” in another creating a dangerous precedent in that such a provisin means that one part of biodiversity can be wrecked in return for “protecting” an area that was never under threat anyway.

    Promoted proposals that include include a plant producing about 2 billion litres of diesel per year, using at least 12 million tonnes of lignite per year and another producing 3 billion litres using 12-17 million tonnes of lignite annually. A further project would produce by 2016 1.2 tonnes of the nitrogenous fertiliser, urea, using 2 million tonnes of lignite annually.

    Documents obtained under the Official Information Act have revealed that DOC was intending to turn down Meridian (application to buils a damn on the Mohikinui River) and believed “the public conservation land within the Mokihinui River has such high value that it is most unlikely to be suitable for exchange at all.
    http://www.eco.org.nz/key-issues/energy.html

    National Ltd™ continues to ignore the slow-motion extinction of Maui’s dolphins:
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1206/S00386/protection-measures-for-mauis-dolphins-fall-short.htm

    Significant cuts to the Ministry for the Environment in the 2012 Budget are not publicly detailed or announced by Minister Amy Adams. She prefers to hide. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1205/S00478/cuts-to-environment-budget-explain-the-missing-minister.htm

    National Ltd™ ensures that New Zealand continues to ignore its international obligations under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to “protect and preserve” the martime environment.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1205/S00267/eez-bill-fails-to-protect-the-environment-and-nz-reputation.htm

    Despite long-standing recommendations from the Land and Water Forum, National Ltd™ continues to avoid setting national standards for water quality even after the Greater Wellington Regional Council released its state of the environment report. The report highlights the poor quality of many urban, lowland and Wairarapa waterways, and some rivers and aquifers being at their allocation limit.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1206/S00207/strong-national-standards-needed-to-clean-up-rivers.htm

    National Ltd™ further weakenes protection for wild rivers in Canterbury with the ECan Act and indicates that further weakening will follow.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1205/S00550/green-party-welcomes-pce-call-for-improved-river-protection.htm

    The Environmental Protection Authority rubber stamps a motorway project with no economic benefit and likely to waste over $1 billion of tax payers’ funds. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1206/S00336/epa-rubber-stamps-dead-duck-motorway.htm

    National Ltd™ is forced to admit that it has spent $1.67 million in a survey of minerals on the West Coast of New Zealand, including within the Te Wahipounamu South West New Zealand world heritage area. Te Wahipounamu is one of 183 natural heritage properties which the World Heritage Committee considers as having outstanding universal value.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1206/S00355/world-heritage-areas-should-not-be-open-to-mining.htm

    National Ltd™ secretly ordered that world heritage sites on the West Coast be surveyed as part of a $3 million mineral study spanning more than 16,000 square kilometres. The survey was only puiblicy revealed after Green MP Catherine Delahunty asked for details in a parliamentary question:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/7168686/Mineral-study-marked-Coast-sites\

    The former interests of members appointed to the Establishment Board for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) make them unsuitable candidates for the job
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1103/S00071/epa-board-members-unlikely-to-protect-the-environment.htm

    Inexperienced managers, poor policy decisions and falling staff numbers are threatening New Zealand’s biosecurity.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7175215/Biosecurity-fears-voiced-in-staff-letter

    An independent report on the PSA virus outbreak was commissioned by the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) following the devastation caused by the virus in the Bay of Plenty orchards with an estimated cost of $400 million. The report found New Zealand’s biosecurity system is fundamentally flawed and there is no way of identifying how the virus got into New Zealand and, thus, no way of preventing it from happening again.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/7224595/Govt-ignored-biosecurity-warning-Labour

    John Key hands over another $80 million to business and farmers to subsidise their pollution.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7208247/Nats-soften-emissions-blow-for-businesses

    National Ltd™ Minister Kate Wilkinson fobs off Save Fiordland protesters who point out that had the government’s own guidelines been followed consent for the Milford Dart tunnel and Fiordland Link Experience would never have been granted.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/7222907/Stop-the-Fiordland-tunnel-Wilkinson-told

    A National Ltd™ appointed advisory group has recommended a significant rewrite of the Resource Management Act, removing references to the protection of coastal areas, wetlands, lakes and rivers and indigenous flora and fauna.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10817613

    Documents pried from National Ltd™ under the Official Information Act show that senior government officials with serious concerns over projects in the Mackenze Basin and Waitaki Valley and hands out $180,000 of taxpayer cash. The decision to hand over the money was made by Nick Smith. More than half the cash went to environmental consultants – including about $88,000 to Ecologic, a firm run by Dr Smith’s friend Guy Salmon. Mr Salmon is also linked to the National Party ginger group the BlueGreens. The money trail shows: Ecologic consultant Guy Salmon: received $88,010 (includes $682 in restaurant and bar charges), Whanganui-based consultant Richard Thompson received $13,130 (includes $149 in restaurant and bar bills), the Environment Defence Society received $2256. Other expenditure included: restaurant and bar charges (at May, June and August meetings): $5495, and $30,800 for the production of two reports.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7327570/Money-for-mates-claims-to-be-probed-says-PM

    A further weakening of the already gutted resource consent process is being considered for foreign-owned mining companies, according to Energy and Resources Minister. Phil; Heatley.
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/resource-consents-mining-might-be-speed-heatley-ck-124676

    New Zealanders are locked out of the consultation process on the alloting of areas being made available by the National Ltd™ for resource exploration.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7366483/Oil-firms-first-to-seek-information

    National Ltd™ scraps government grants for solar water heating and Parliamentary Commissioner comes out against them:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10822323

    National Ltd™ use the Navy along with police and Crown Law to bully environmental protesters in a legal case they knew could not be won.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10822405

    National Ltd™ puts out an international call for foreign companies to drill for oil and gas in 23 blocks of deep and wild waters east of Wellington and Dunedin.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10811689

    National Ltd™ consultants do a u-turn on the economic benefits of additional roading and then get handed a $200 million contract for further consultation work.
    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/doubts-worth-holiday-highway-4992534

    The Department of Conservation grants foreign-owned multinational mining company OceanaGold permission to destroy 55 hectares of beech forest so as to extend its Reefton mine to a total 81 hectares without public notification:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/minerals/news/article.cfm?c_id=259&objectid=10818463

    As National Ltd™ prepares to ease the resource consent process for mining companies, the Minerals Industry Association starts putting pressure on local authorities to step aside.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10823321

    Economic commentator Gareth Morgan details National Ltd™’s ramshackle collection of underfunded agencies with no direction or policy for dealing with the vast marine resources of New Zealand:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10823294

    A further erosion of New Zealand’s bio-security is highted when Christchurch Airport is found to have failed a survey:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10823549
    National Ltd™ ignores Open letter to Minister for the Environment from the Environmental Defence Society, Forest and Bird, Fish and Game, Ecologic, Greenpeace, and World Wildlife Foundation New Zealand. Inter-alia, the letter points out that the removal of the directive terms “protect”, “preserve”, “maintain” and “enhance” from the RMA fundamentally weakens the legislation and introduces confusion as to its overall intent.
    http://www.eds.org.nz/content/documents/pressreleases/ENGOs%20letter%20re%20TAG%20report.pdf

    National Ltd™ ensures that New Zealand tax payers continue to subsidise 95% of big polluters’ emissions.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1209/S00143/ets-changes-a-farce-environment-commissioner.htm

    Proposed marine reserves off the West Coast have been drastically reduced in size so much so that one advocate says they are “an insult” to those who spent years trying to establish them.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10835374

    National Ltd™ instructs its delegates at the world’s largest conservation conference, the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s conference in Korea, to oppose any further measures to protect Maui and Hector dolphins in defiance of 117 other countries and 460 environmental organisations requesting New Zealand ban gill and trawl nets in waters up to 100 metres deep.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/116332/nz-votes-against-protecting-dolphins

    Emergy Minister Phil Heatley is caught out lying about the environmental impact of fraking.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Taranaki-gas-field-contaminates-soil/tabid/1160/articleID/269871/Default.aspx

    Regional council are caught out not enforcing regulations, Government says no action is required
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Fracking-in-Southland-exposed/tabid/423/articleID/259325/Default.aspx

    National Ltd™ ignores concerns about fracking which has seen the practise banned around the world.
    http://www.tv3.co.nz/Mar-18—Meet-The-Frackers/tabid/2059/articleID/76270/Default.aspx

    National Ltd™ Minister Stephen Joyce twists the knife by exploiting news of redundancies at Solid Energy in a statement which claims opponents to a proposed mine are “getting in the way of” potential jobs.
    http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/what-we-do/publications/media-release/forest-bird-rejects-inappropriate-request-withdraw-appeal

    A High Court decision says the effects on climate change cannot be considered under the Resource Management Act (RMA) as updated by National Ltd™. The Court decision came after an appeal was made against an earlier decision to allow Australian-owned mining company Bathurst Resources (also known as Buller Coal) to build a 200-hectare open-cast coal mine on the plateau and mine 80 million tonnes of coal that, when burnt, will release about 200 million tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
    http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/what-we-do/publications/media-release/forest-bird-disappointed-climate-change-ruling

    The extinction of New Zealand sea lions is further ensured after fishing restrictions announced by the National Ltd™
    http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/what-we-do/publications/media-release/squid-fishery-decision-won%E2%80%99t-save-sea-lions

    The Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf Bill, as reported back from select committee fails to protect New Zealand’s marine environment and ignores our international legal obligations.
    http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/what-we-do/publications/media-release/eez-bill-bad-news-both-industry-and-the-environment

    More than half of monitored recreational sites on our rivers are unsafe for swimming, a report has revealed.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10841013

    Submissions to a select committee considering the Emissions Trading Scheme by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, Jan Wright’s, and those of thers, to a select committee reviewing the Emissions Trading Scheme are ignored resulting in a Trading Scheme which “will have very, very limited effectiveness and has locked in subsidies to to the worst emitters indefinitely.”
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/118536/commissioner-dismayed-by-emissions-report

    Environment Minister pulls out of participation in legal action to prevent more pollution being poured into New Zealand’s fresh water supplies.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7824674/Fish-Game-gets-hooks-into-minister

    National Ltd™ seeks changes to the law which will make it more dificult to get consent to build a deck onto a house than it is to drill for oil.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Consent-for-oil-drilling-exploration-could-get-easier/tabid/1160/articleID/273254/Default.aspx

    New Zealand continues to avoid its international obligations “to ensure the conservation and management of sharks and their long-term sustainable use” while its fishers carry on with the barbaric practise of shark finning.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/in-our-nature/7848342/Shark-finning-a-national-disgrace

    Recent survey results show that two thirds of New Zealanders believer spending on environmental conservation is a good use of tax payers’ money. National Ltd™ responds with further cuts to the Department of Conservation budget.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/in-our-nature/7807524/Endangered-rangers

    Signatures from 30,000 people in a global email petition urging Prime Minister John Key to save the endangered Maui’s dolphin are ignored by National Ltd™ while the World Wildlife Fund points out that New Zealand was the only country to vote against more protection for the species at the world’s largest conservation summit.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/7793952/Indifference-to-dolphins-seen-as-blot-on-NZ-image

    Finance Minister Bill English begins the process of further gutting urban environmental protection legislation to speed up the building consent process for developers.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7874263/RMA-changes-mooted-to-speed-up-building

    The Government is stopping the five-yearly State of the Environment report. Put together by the Ministry of the Environment, the report is the largest stock-take of trends relating to land, water, air, plants and animals. The next report was expected in December, but the Government has decided instead to look at the basic data for each area.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/119350/state-of-the-environment-report-stopped

    New Zealand abandons the Kyoto agreement
    http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/john-key-defends-kyoto-decision-5209727

    A government lobbyist who attacted a prominent New Zealand scientist for speaking truth about New Zealand’s environment remains unrepentent in his efforts to silence the accurate reporting of scientific evidence.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849308

    The New York Times highlights the fact that the pristine landscape featured in The Hobbit and used as the basis for the 100% Pure New Zealand campaign as fantastical as dragons and wizards.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/business/global/new-zealands-green-tourism-push-clashes-with-realities.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

    An international study measuring countries’ loss of native vegetation, native habitat, number of endangered species, and water quality reported in the journal PloS One shows New Zealand is 18th worst out of 189 nations when it came to preserving its natural surroundings. John Key remains relaxed.
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0010440

    Pulls out of Kyoto just weeks after the OECD reports that global greenhouse gas emissions could rise 50 per cent by 2050 without more ambitious climate policies, as fossil fuels continue to dominate the energy mix.

    New Zealand has received two “Fossil of the Day” – first-equal and second place – awards on the first day of international climate talks in Doha, Qatar.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850322

    Hobbiton – Waikato – is a major source of pollution within the Hauraki Gulf yet is at the centre of the John Key led National Ltd™ government’s 100% Pure campaign
    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/representativesbodies/haurakigulfforum/Documents/hgfstateoftheenvreport2011.pdf

    The use of the “fraking” technique in oil and gas drilling/exploration is given the go-ahead by National Ltd™ despite the Parliamentary Commissioner for the environment pointing out there exists no effective regulations in case of disaster nor the ability to enforce what regulations are available. Instead, monitoring and reporting and adherence to existing legislation is being left entirely up to foreign-owned multinationals doing the drilling.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850431

    http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-fact-and-fantasy/?p=276592#post276592

    lied, obfuscated and used government resources to attack and undermined local authority plans to improve water quality

    sanctioned an unnamed foreign-owned multinational to go ahead with a major road through pristine South Island National Parks

    employed disingenuous gobbledeegook to defend its decision to withdraw from the Kyoto Agreement.

    http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/nz-criticised-international-climate-change-talks

    . . . accordingly, I think it fair to state that National Ltd™’s commitment to protecting the New Zealand environment is 100% Pure Bullshit. Just sayin’.
    • bad12 14.1

      5 January 2013 at 10:02 am

      Just a short comment then…
      • Colonial Viper 14.1.1

        5 January 2013 at 10:08 am

        Who says the Tories haven’t been working hard 🙄
        • bad12 14.1.1.1

          5 January 2013 at 10:15 am

          I am in awe of BLiP’s tenacity to collate and log it all in the one comment…
        • Jenny 14.1.1.2

          6 January 2013 at 5:53 pm

          Thanks to BLiP we now know what the tories have been up to. While the toady media keeps us in the dark.

          Words fail me that this scandalous corrupt multitude of sin and infamy is met with a wall of silence from the MSm

          Just imagine the screaming heads on TV and the huge shreaking headlines in the Herald if a Labour/Green administration did even half of a photo negative of this list.
          • jaymam 14.1.1.2.1

            7 January 2013 at 8:41 pm

            Research on Ecologic and Guy Salmon would be an excellent idea.
    • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 14.2

      5 January 2013 at 12:18 pm

      Blip
      We see what you have been doing in your absences from TS. Can Blips comment/reference/link list have its own post? I think it’s so meaty that it needs to be read as a separate one.
      • Jenny 14.2.1

        6 January 2013 at 5:42 pm

        +1
    • xtasy 14.3

      6 January 2013 at 12:05 am

      I’m sure you left something out:

      Or did you not? It is overwhelming this, but also impressive and convincing – but what about the lying, the denials, the hole in the brain stuff, which comes on top of all this, be it re Dotcom, a police report on Banks and donations, on Dotcom, the GCSB, helicopter rides to the largest mansion in the country, a new resident of highest level “net value”, this government is chasing desperately to attract to come here, but one was not “noticed” living in Key’s own electorate, and much, much, much else, which KEY and BANKS could NOT remember?

      You are right on a lot of environmental matters, but the list can be extended much, much further, I am convinced! Economic lies, financial lies, employment lies, social welfare lies, education lies, a two tongued High Priest leading the gang, and now thinking out more agendas of manipulation and lies, while on a group of islands half way to the US, that is what is a real, real worry. But too few notice. Head in the sand stuff, follow Shearer and stick it deep, or better, where it is warm and gets a brownish heading, if you push too deep.
    • Rogue Trooper 14.4

      6 January 2013 at 5:03 pm

      AWE and the some (I laughed out loud, then the tears came) Wow. (I hope you blow these BLiPs to pieces and shred them all round the lying net) Wow!
    • Jenny 14.5

      6 January 2013 at 5:45 pm

      My God!
15. xtasy 15

    6 January 2013 at 12:09 am

    If BLiP can do it, why was a post some time ago on MSD, Principal Health Advisor Bratt, the biased designated doctor use by WINZ to chuck people off benefits considered too bloody long and complex?

    Sorry, but it just comes to mind here.

    It was real serious stuff also, but then again, I do not want to push it.

    Respect anyway for this hard bit of work – BLiP!
    • felixviper 15.1

      6 January 2013 at 12:24 am

      My guess would be that it’s because this is an evolving and growing list that BLiP updates and posts from time to time.

      While not complex, it’s (ever increasing) length is kinda the point.
    • lprent 15.2

      6 January 2013 at 12:40 am

      BLip does his own origional list, posts updates first here (ie original), it is directly pertinent to the purpose of this site, and moderators can easily verify it – ie we know that we won’t have legal issues arising from it.

      Making assertions of fact published on this site requires that we are sure that we are covered under the defamation laws. The requirements for our care are low for politicians and political parties. They are a lot higher for non-politicians including public servants.

      If an author decides to write a post making assertions of fact about anyone it is one thing, because they will usually get a check beforehand. But for a commentator to do it requires a very high degree of clarity for us to allow it.
      • xtasy 15.2.1

        6 January 2013 at 1:29 am

        Got it, and that is where my arguments are treated with caution.

        I am aware of it, so I have made careful adjustments to how I deal with matters, which are nonetheless true.

        Thanks lprent
      • Jenny 15.2.2

        6 January 2013 at 5:56 pm

        So you are covered. Can we have this as a post?
        • lprent 15.2.2.1

          7 January 2013 at 12:12 am

          BLip’s list? Can’t see why not.
          • Jenny 15.2.2.1.1

            7 January 2013 at 5:28 pm

            Great. I trust you will reserve it for when it will have the greatest effect.

            Cheers J

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