Bill’s Magic Numbers

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1. jackal 1

   12 June 2011 at 10:20 am

   It’s an old Mafia con to get the mark (New Zealand) into debt. Particularly if the mark has something you want, in this case our SOEs. The problem is that National is taking a huge gamble with our money, which is dependent on factors out of our control. If there is another financial crisis, National would have sunk New Zealand into a huge hole that will take centuries to dig ourselves out of.
2. ianupnorth 2

   12 June 2011 at 10:30 am

   So nearly $90 per week for every man woman and child – good work Bill, I am sure at this rate you’ll get it to a nice round $100 by the end of the year; far sooner if the Nats get back in and those that can depart these shores.
3. Draco T Bastard 3

   12 June 2011 at 10:59 am

   This is the type of stuff that needs to be shouted from the roof tops. It proves, quite clearly, that NAct are mismanaging our economy. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that the extra interest payments that they’re paying will cost more than what they think they’re saving.

   And, at the end of the day, a government never needs to borrow.
4. RedLogix 4

   12 June 2011 at 11:07 am

   I linked to Brent Edwards RNZ weekly “Focus on Politics” piece late on late on Friday night, but it bears repeating:

   http://thestandard.org.nz/nz-deserves-better-than-budget-lies/#comment-338791

   http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/fop/fop-20110610-1836-focus_on_politics_for_10_june_2011-00.ogg

   Covers this issue nicely. Cunliffe performs well.
5. Colonial Viper 5

   12 June 2011 at 11:43 am

   Nothing is below Bill English and his NACT mates. Thank goodness the media finally figured it out and manned up.
6. Lanthanide 6

   12 June 2011 at 11:50 am

   I really have to wonder who the “incomes have risen under National” line is supposed to fool?

   I guess all those un-thinking idiots on >$80k who themselves got a nice pay rise, listen to the stat and go “yeah, that’s seems about right”. There might also be some useful idiots in the $30-80k range that think similarly. Meanwhile everyone else will just hear this number and say “well I’m not better off” and wonder what he’s talking about. Seems like it can only breed distrust and discontent amongst the masses, to me.
   • Afewknowthetruth 6.1

     12 June 2011 at 12:08 pm

     ‘incomes have risen under National’

     They have.

     It’s just that the cost of living has risen much faster.

     Politics is all about what is NOT articulated.

     All politicans and budding politicians steer well clear of anything connected with reality -like peak oil, fiat currency collapse, environmental collapse etc.
     • bbfloyd 6.1.1

       12 June 2011 at 12:56 pm

       “incomes have risen under national”… tell that to everyone i know who works.. be prepared to be ridiculed.
7. seeker 7

   12 June 2011 at 5:17 pm

   Bill should hang his head in shame at conning an entire country.

   If he and John were in my class at school I would say that if Bill had not been so easily led by John, who is has an natural ability to gain peoples trust and then manipulate them, he would probably not have behaved so badly. Bill wants to behave honourably ,but he gets into bad company like the Nat Gang and down he goes
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   John will make a good money trader for they have no need of intelligent, long term vision or strategies to improve life, just tactics to make more money for themselves. And I believe, from a video I saw on the subject, that money traders get told by the companies they work for to gain the client’s trust and then exploit them. John will be excellent at this.

   He is always positive and cheerful, when he is carrying out an older and more powerful child’s bidding so they will like him more , give him their sweets and help him rise through the ranks of the gang.

   This ability will stand him in good stead if he were to become PM for he will want the power but will have no real idea what to do with it as usual, but if told what to do by the Act gang and later by Phil O’Reilly from the Bus, Group, he will carry out their agenda and get their wishes granted easily by doing what he does best- spin to gain trust.
   • Draco T Bastard 7.1

     12 June 2011 at 7:16 pm

     …that money traders get told by the companies they work for to gain the client’s trust and then exploit them.

     It’s one of the “rules” in How to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie. In fact it’s a large part of the The Customer is always right mantra.
8. MrSmith 8

   12 June 2011 at 5:48 pm

   I find it hard to believe that Billy can borrow money on the presumption that it will be more expensive later in the year, is treasury giving him this advice?, if so it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on.
    
   How is he allowed to play the markets with our money, interests rates could go down later in the year for all we know.
    
   Home loan rate in the UK is around 0.5% I think.
   • Colonial Viper 8.1

     12 June 2011 at 5:52 pm

     And the US Fed is lending the big banks newly printed money at between 0.0% and 0.5% interest rate.

     Its a rort.

     Countries get squeezed while Key’s investment banking mates get the best deals.
9. Jenny 9

   12 June 2011 at 6:06 pm

   ‘
   All this spiralling debt has fuelled the neoliberal version of economic growth, of which asset price appreciation has been a fundamental driver. This asset price appreciation allowed individuals like John Key along with other financiers like him to amass huge personal fortunes.

   But at some point the reality that the debt can’t be repaid strikes home. The bailouts of banks, the US effectively printing money, is only delaying a collapse of the global economy like nothing seen before. We need to understand and prepare for history changing events.

   Chris Martenson explains the connection between economic debt and resource depletion

   Death by Debt – Chris Martenson Friday, 10 June 2011

   One of the conclusions that I try to coax, lead, and/or nudge people towards is acceptance of the fact that the economy can’t be fixed. By this I mean that the old regime of general economic stability and rising standards of living fueled by excessive credit are a thing of the past. At least they are for the debt-encrusted developed nations over the short haul — and, over the long haul, across the entire soon-to-be energy-starved globe.

   Chris Martenson

   To expand on David Lange’s famous comparison of financiers to reef fish – Our government’s borrowing and increasing debt is not original and is just blindly tailing along with all the other international reef fish in which Key and his mates are but a small minnow in a swarming mass all driven by personal greed, all mindlessly following each other down the giant maw of an approaching whale shark.

   Pertinent to our government’s borrowing of $380 million a week, on the promise/hope of an eventual upturn. Chris Martenson writes:

   If everybody owes everybody else, then kicking the can down the road only works if there’s more wealth, more growth, and sufficient economic activity down that road to service the past debts. If any one participant drops the baton in the debt relay race, the absurdity of the situation becomes unavoidable and the cause is lost.
   When we hold this view, it is abundantly clear that adding more debt along the way only increases the burdens and is therefore ultimately counterproductive, although it does grant the gift of additional time to avoid facing the truth.

   Ominously Martenson writes:

   …..there are no historical examples of any country ever digging itself out from so deep a hole, and yet we find that the entire developed world has bravely pushed itself deep into unknown territory, seemingly without any serious discussions about whether or not this made sense.
   • David 9.1

     13 June 2011 at 8:28 pm

     Nice post Jenny: I am thinking the ultimate longer term effects of overleveraging (and yes its ideological framing) have not even begun to dawn on us yet.

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