Bugger the Truth – Getting elected means fooling the poeple

Written By: - Date published: 1:15 pm, September 19th, 2015 - 34 comments
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I have watched a few clips of the latest republican “debate” with a backdrop of the Airforce 1 plane! ( I think that is the image to which it alludes?)

Donald Trump is now being targeted by all-comers for the Republican race. He provides plenty of ammunition that’s for sure. So, how to bring him down in the polls and increase the Republican chances of gaining the presidency?

Lies and deceptions. The latest such effort comes from Carly Fiorina and RNZ in our corner of the world assisted.

Fiorina claims an appalling act of money-making by Planned Parenthood. “Watch the video” she extols. Gordon Campbell sums up;

when she urged listeners to view a video that allegedly shows the Planned Parenthood organization discussing how to profit from the organ harvesting of aborted fetuses.

The video she points to with outrage and indignation on behalf of vulnerable everywhere? It’s a deception.

An easily revealed hoax in fact. But RNZ, and others around the world and in the USA  simply reported her outrage and her version of events.

So, its is not that the voters are idiots, as some suggest the Left are claiming, it is that the Right deliberately lie and mislead to get a vote, on false pretenses. It is the Right who constantly treats voters as gullible idiots, And a media, strangled by shrinking budgets and reduced personnel with less and less time to research rather than regurgitate. Couple that with an increase in non-journalists hogging the space set aside for reporting and elucidating news events… what chance the voter?

What better way than using poor defenseless unborn little fetuses?

Is the answer to counter lies with the left’s own lies to continue the cycle, or to find a way to break the cycle?

Lies win cos we let them.

 

UPDATE: In an extraordinary irony, Trump has criticised Fiorina’s business record and acumen. On the one hand who would know better how to spot business failures?… on the other hand he is the highest polling candidate despite his business failings while hers are being rehashed in article after article in business and finance publications to sink her candidacy.

 

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  2. Naturesong 2
    19 September 2015 at 1:43 pm

    The HP / Compaq merger was like watching two supertankers colliding in slow motion.

    What was the final figure in the end?
    30,000 laid off during her tenure

  4. joe90 4
    19 September 2015 at 2:25 pm

    All wrapped up in a flag.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73xwWOxAJvY

    Audience member: We have a problem in this country — it’s called “Muslims.” We know our current President is one.
    Trump: Right.
    Audience member: You know he’s not even an American. Birth certificate, man!
    Trump: We need this question!
    Audience member: But anyway [laughter], we have training camps growing, where they want to kill us.
    Trump: Mm hmm.
    Audience member: That’s my question. When can we get rid of ‘em?
    Trump: We’re gonna be looking at a lot of different things. And you know, a lot of people are saying that, and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. We’re gonna be looking at that and plenty of other things.

  5. Naturesong 5
    19 September 2015 at 2:25 pm

    Bugger the Truth – Getting elected means fooling the poeple people.

    oops

  6. weka 6
    19 September 2015 at 2:45 pm

    What’s the connection between Trump and the Planned Parenthood hoax?

  7. Draco T Bastard 7
    19 September 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Oliver Stone’s American history: ‘We’re not under threat. We are the threat’

    The views of Stone and Kuznick are not likely to raise eyebrows on the streets of Cairo, Moscow or Paris.

    But in the US they are not mainstream.

    The way Stone tells it, Americans live in a bubble and are spoon-fed information by a school system, politicians and a media that portrays the US as a beacon of stability and a force for good in the world.

    In one famous example, former President Ronald Reagan called the US a “shining city on a hill”.

    “It’s very comforting to be an American,” Stone said.

    “You get the sense that you are safe and have prosperity of material goods, and that you have enemies everywhere – Russia, China, Iran and North Korea.

    “You get into this cocoon where you have a big country, two oceans, but that you’re always under threat.”

    You can see the same BS happening in NZ as the RWNJs try to portray ISIS as threats to us when they obviously aren’t.

  8. Draco T Bastard 8
    19 September 2015 at 3:36 pm

    https://twitter.com/chipmatthews/status/645078022391906304

    And yes, click through and follow the thread.

  9. save NZ 9
    19 September 2015 at 3:53 pm

    +100 Tracy.

  10. Pat 10
    19 September 2015 at 4:05 pm

    ” In war, truth is the first casualty” Aeschlyus

    and they do believe they are waging a war….

  11. Clemgeopin 11
    19 September 2015 at 4:28 pm

    It is planned falsehood by the RW rogues.

  12. adam 12
    19 September 2015 at 7:24 pm

    You know the Republicans have lost it – when Rand Paul was the most coherent of the lot.

    Scary times.

  13. Ad 13
    19 September 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Forget who wins the debates. Whatever.
    The wider problem is that the Republicans are totally crushing the Democrats for media oxygen, with unelectable Sanders now pulling support from fully electable Clinton.

    Democrats need to find their own version of populist language fast, AND back a well-funded candidate, AND be credible against Trump. It is definitely getting harder to see this aligning.

    At the moment, China and Europe need to start preparing for a U.S. Political system in which there is a Republican President, Republican Senate, and Republican Congress. The Supreme Court will start to look like a pack of liberals, as the last and only check and balance in the entire order of power.

    Hilary, for Gods sake get your shit together.
    Otherwise it’s a straight flush for Trump.

    • adam 13.1
      19 September 2015 at 8:34 pm

      So Ad you’re back to winning at all costs, and bugger principles mode. Winning is not important when all you have is more of this Tory crap, with a different face. Or, having you and yours cut off at the knees, instead of the hip. I find you confusing Ad – sometimes I think you have the principles of a social democrat, other times I’m left asking myself “is this what a soft liberal looks like”?

      And on whose planet is Sanders not electable?

      Hilary is not listening to you, or anyone else without a corporate dollar for her.

      And anyway this is party primaries – with the majority of Americans ignoring it all.

    • Phil 13.2
      21 September 2015 at 9:39 am

      The media narrative is currently working against Clinton, but for sure she’s still well out in front as the favourite to win the Dem nomination.

      See: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-is-in-a-self-reinforcing-funk/

      We’re still more than five months out from the Iowa primary and there is a lot of water to go under the bridge yet. I’d argue that a brutal republican primary works in favour of Hillary, because it gives her a bruised and damaged candidate for the Presidential election.

      Finally, even if Trump wins the Republican nomination (he’s not going to) you would have to be in a fever dream to think for even one second that, head to head, he would beat Clinton.

    • Phil 13.3
      21 September 2015 at 1:26 pm

      start preparing for a U.S. Political system in which there is a Republican President, Republican Senate, and Republican Congress.

      In 2016, the Class-3 senators are up for re-election (i.e. the 1/3rd of senators that were last elected in 2010). Remember 2010? It was a Republican ‘wave’ year – the GOP made abnormally large gains in states that would normally lean Dem.

      2016 is shaping up to be a much more neutral environment, so I would confidently wager that the Dems will make some pickups as states revert to their norm e.g. Wisconsin and Illinois. The end result is probably going to be 51-Rep, 47-Dem, and 2-Ind (or maybe 52-46-2).

      The republicans will still have a senate majority, but it’s nowhere near the filibuster-proof requirement, of 60 seats, to have genuine unchecked power.

  15. The Chairman 15
    19 September 2015 at 9:42 pm

    Apparently, it was a graphic illustration edited in for effect. Which they shouldn’t have done.

    However, there was no need for her to have focused on that as there was plenty of real footage available to hammer them on.

    The fact that she did, helps feed the narrative (being pushed) that the released videos were totally phony.

  16. Ad 16
    19 September 2015 at 10:30 pm

    Adam the shape of the US ruler on November 9 2016 is important. To us all. Their degree of extremism, their competence, and their ability to gather a broad and inclusive mandate is essential. Obama got through a few good reforms, but for example had to literally beg Senate Democrats for enough votes to stop a full override.

    Your confusion is simply between tactical and strategic. That’s a difference between British, U.S. and NZ political cycles.

    Lprent’s sketch last week for Corbyn’s actions needed to be electable to Prime Ministership is x100 for the U.S. Presidency. The ride Corbyn is getting from media will be a cakewalk compared to a Dem President with an even more stacked House and Senate, which is where this is headed.

    • adam 16.1
      20 September 2015 at 5:51 pm

      In the event of a reply button.

      Watch video

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKvK9OXcFE

      But more importantly read the comments.

      Actually – look across the non political boards across the web. Americans, are way more socialist than many people think. Sanders is not only popular, but a real alternative to the same old, same old.

  17. Keith 17
    20 September 2015 at 7:22 am

    The question I ask over all others is why would anyone trust a billionare and vote for one?

    I mean our semi billionare PM has been a fine example of pure deceit (forget the aw shucks I’ve only got a modest 50 million figure).

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