Daily Review 01/10/2018

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1. Tony Veitch [not etc.] 1

   1 October 2018 at 5:42 pm

   So DOC has allowed private conservation parks to allow tourists to handle kiwis for – wait for it, drum roll – MONEY!

   Capitalism meets conservation, and kiwis die from neglect!

   I can just imagine Draco’s comments!
   • Ed 1.1

     1 October 2018 at 5:58 pm

     More tinkering.
2. Anne 2

   1 October 2018 at 6:06 pm

   The teachers have lost my support. An over-reaction imo because they didn’t get everything they wanted first time around. What a great way to lose the support of the people who were behind them.

   One full week of strikes.

   Makes the nurses actions seem like a Sunday School picnic.
   • Stunned mullet 2.1

     1 October 2018 at 6:13 pm

     Agreed Anne – i think they’re taking very poor advice if they think that a week of strikes is going to get much support from the general public.
   • alwyn 2.2

     1 October 2018 at 6:34 pm

     Can you please provide a link to this announcement.
     According to this story in the Herald they are planning rolling strikes but they will only be for a single day in any given area.
     That isn’t “one full week of strikes” in my view.
     https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12135126
     • Anne 2.2.1

       1 October 2018 at 6:42 pm

       TV one news tonight under “breaking news”. That was their opening gambit “the teachers are planning a full week of strikes”.

       It doesn’t matter how they plan to do it. They are going to cause disruptions for a whole week. Not a good idea. Helps to corroborate the view that the teachers are a militant bunch and I don’t believe most of them are.
       • alwyn 2.2.1.1

         1 October 2018 at 6:56 pm

         The parents, who are the only people they don’t want to get offside with are only going to be affected for a single day each.
         If I was a parent in Auckland, and they were going to go on strike there on, say, Monday it wouldn’t affect me if the schools in Hawkes Bay were closed on Wednesday or the ones in Wellington were shut down on Friday. It would only be the Monday that concerned me.

         This way the teachers will get a full week of publicity but nobody in the public will be inconvenienced for more than a single day.
         I think this is probably going to be more effective, without bothering the public any more, than if they shut all the schools in the country on the same day.
         Would it really bother you if teachers were on strike at the other end of the country to where you live?
         • Robert Guyton 2.2.1.1.1

           1 October 2018 at 7:23 pm

           Alwyn – respect! Good, clear thinking mate!
           • Jilly Bee 2.2.1.1.1.1

             1 October 2018 at 7:50 pm

             Robert and Alwyn – I totally agree. I watch Newshub at 6 pm and they were very clear about the action being a rolling strike, which won’t happen for a few weeks yet, so there is time for something to happen – this is a perfect reason why I don’t watch TVNZ 1 News, most of the time they are as bad as each other with their ‘interpretation’ of presentation of news, but Newshub got it right this time.
       • Tuppence Shrewsbury 2.2.1.2

         1 October 2018 at 7:14 pm

         Your great grandchildren being dumped on your lap as the teachers won’t bow down to Chippy?
       • In Vino 2.2.1.3

         1 October 2018 at 7:36 pm

         Well, Anne – I normally agree with you, but this time you are out of touch. alwyn (I can hardly believe I am typing this) is absolutely right.
         As a teacher, I have always been deeply disappointed at teachers’ inability to do a real strike… just once, ever. No, they are mostly middle-class people with mortgages, who make a big hoo-ha (and the media oblige with much wailing) but all they ever manage to do is a miserable, ineffective one-day strike.
         Pathetic. Real unions used to go out on permanent strike, suffered hugely.. other unions sent in food as support for starving families. Do teachers ever have the guts to do this? Never. They do miserable one-day strikes which have no real effect, and the media play along, making it a sensation, but knowing, like the Govt, that if the sensation is played up in the media, public opinion may turn against those evil, greedy, totally self-centred teacher unions. (Sarc.)
         alwyn is right.
         It is a pathetic one-day strike held on various days in different places over the week, but nobody gets or suffers from anything more than a one-day strike.
         Don’t over-dramatise, Anne.
         And don’t pretend that the pay offer is reasonable. Because it is over 3 years or so, inflation eats away at every small instalment. Even under Helen Clarke’s Govt teachers learned that small increases each year actually cause their pay-rates to slip back compared to other professions. It happened again under 9 years of National. You and the Ministry (+ the so-called enlightened current Govt.) think teachers should be stupid enough to continue this procedure??
         The warning signs of a real crisis are already here. Shortage of Primary relievers in Auckland; Principals having to help supervise a hall-full of students with one teacher + a teacher-aid.
         Get real Anne. Both Primary and Secondary teachers need a real boost to bring their salaries back up to competitive for university graduates.
         And the stupidly insulting offer just made to the PPTA will NOT cut the mustard.
         Bad luck that it is now a Labour Govt. This was coming anyway, and teachers now have to fight for not just their profession, but for a decent state education system as well. (This is now probably way below the message of Anne that I was replying to. One needs to follow the number system top right, for those who do not know.)
       • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1.4

         1 October 2018 at 9:18 pm

         TV one news tonight under “breaking news”. That was their opening gambit “the teachers are planning a full week of strikes”.

         Ah, so the MSM is lying so as to produce the wrong impression – got it.
         • In Vino 2.2.1.4.1

           1 October 2018 at 9:37 pm

           Not really lying, Draco – just telling once again a half-truth. But the other half they leave out means that their half-truth does actually constitute a lie. (The bit left out being only one day per region..)
           Right-wingers pull the same trick when they claim that we are now spending more dollars on education than we ever have before. True, but only half the truth: They leave out the effect of inflation, which makes this year’s $ worth a lot less than $s of, say the early 1990s… then they also leave out the fact that we now have more students and teachers than we used to have.
           The truth is that allowing for inflation adjustment and increased student numbers, we are now spending less per student.
           That is the half of the truth that they leave out. Making what they say an effective lie, even though they say it is true.
           Half-truths are a favourite ploy..
       • Pete 2.2.1.5

         1 October 2018 at 10:39 pm

         Any action may build on the view that teachers are a militant lot. Those who think that they are militant are ignorant. There are those of course who think unions should be banned and any action would suit their propaganda.

         The anti-teacher and anti-union mobs no doubt will be encouraging their off-spring to take up the job as it’s so easy, so well paid, with such short hours and half the year off.
         • millsy 2.2.1.5.1

           1 October 2018 at 10:47 pm

           Yes, the amount of times teachers have been on strike over the last 30 years I can count on one hand. Even during all that crap with NovoPay, they could have gone on strike and had the full support of the public, they didn’t.
     • Robert Guyton 2.2.2

       1 October 2018 at 7:21 pm

       I’m with Alwyn! ( What ??? )
       • In Vino 2.2.2.1

         1 October 2018 at 7:44 pm

         Yes… Do we need to bring back smelling salts?
         • Jilly Bee 2.2.2.1.1

           1 October 2018 at 7:51 pm

           I’ve got mine out already, yeah nah – a nice glass of Sauvignon Blanc and another one may follow.
   • Gabby 2.3

     1 October 2018 at 7:00 pm

     Oh, they had your support did they Anny. As long as they were good little boysngirls.
     • Anne 2.3.1

       1 October 2018 at 7:25 pm

       Grow up Gabby. Sarcasm is not your strength. They have always had my support. There are teachers in my family.
       • gsays 2.3.1.1

         1 October 2018 at 10:37 pm

         You hide that support well Anne.
         From my point of view the nurses action WAS a Sunday picnic.
         One day of industrial action, no plans for another.
         A union that recommended essentially the same offer four times, while signing an accord with the state for 500 nurses (1000 short), while their members where considering an offer.

         If any industry, particularly a female dominated industry, is to make real gains there has to be some short term pain.

         That rant was not aimed at you Anne, more at the nurses union, you just lanced the boil.
         • Anne 2.3.1.1.1

           1 October 2018 at 10:52 pm

           I actually applauded the nurses in the end gsays. There was a period when I thought they were going to blow it, and I said so here. But they didn’t, and they have been well rewarded with the promise [in writing] of the rest to come over the next 18 months I think it was. So good for them.
   • weston 2.4

     1 October 2018 at 8:11 pm

     One things certain ANNE the teachers are never gonna get what they want by being nice especially to fairweather supporters like you ! They desperately need to get out from under the bucket loads of bureaucratic crap and pc twaddle that burdens their daily and prob nightly existence , they need smaller class sizes {like theyve needed for a hundred years }they want better pay and conditions in general just like the nurses did but unlike the nurses theyre further down the queue so they will have to yell louder and longer .Good on them i support teachers what ever it takes !!
   • Carolyn_Nth 2.5

     1 October 2018 at 8:11 pm

     Checkpoint covered this and linked it to the crisis in teacher shortages.

     The teachers have yet to vote on the plan. So it’s not a done deal.

     Here it is explained. They want more teachers to cover the shortage, and they want measures to attract more people into teaching. It’s a crisis and they want this crisis to stay in focus until they get some positive measures to substantially relieve it.

     Primary teachers are proposing a week of one-day rolling strikes in November. Their union, NZEI Te Riu Roa, says teachers and principals will vote in the first week of the fourth term on the proposed strike action. NZEI Teachers lead negotiator Liam Rutherford joins Checkpoint live.

     And here is a piece on the crisis in teacher shortages. (audio)

     Print article on it:

     “The real crisis is being masked because we’re solving some of the problems. Where it will come to a head is when we just cannot mask it any more, when we cannot take three or four classes in the hall, what are we going to do? That’s going to be the problem.”

     Invercargill Primary Principals’ Association president Kevin Silcock said schools in the city were also making compromises and it was not fair on children.

     “It’s not sustainable, it’s the children at the end of the day that are suffering,” Mr Silcock said.

     “When you’re putting extra children into a classroom the numbers are going up so there’s less teacher time for each child, if they’re going to a different room each day or on a regular basis, the classroom teacher doesn’t know them like their normal classroom teacher does, so it does affect their education.”

     In addition, Auckland Secondary Principals’ Association president Richard Dykes said the teacher shortage would be largely invisible to the public because schools were asking more teachers to teach outside their subject area, or had reduced the number of classes or even the number of subjects they offered.

     Teachers do need to keep up the action because the situation is dire. And it must be stressful and damaging for both teachers and students.
   • adam 2.6

     1 October 2018 at 8:11 pm

     The right wing trolling from you is quite anemic Anne.

     A stupid Tina, then no idea about what is an alternative to capitalism, now hating on workers. How about you go join your mates at whaleoil.
     • Incognito 2.6.1

       1 October 2018 at 8:28 pm

       Your compass is way off.
     • marty mars 2.6.2

       1 October 2018 at 9:13 pm

       Bullshit adam. Anne is a respected commenter here – your vile comment about Anne is not needed or wanted.
       • Anne 2.6.2.1

         1 October 2018 at 9:40 pm

         Thanks Marty.
       • adam 2.6.2.2

         2 October 2018 at 12:22 am

         Good to see BM agrees with you marty mars.
         • marty mars 2.6.2.2.1

           2 October 2018 at 12:30 am

           We didn’t say the same thing, not even close – this carry on is silly adam – don’t lower the tone further – step up not down eh.
           • adam 2.6.2.2.1.1

             2 October 2018 at 12:51 am

             That said, as I said – it’s the collection of comments from Anne which is what I’ve an issue with, with this being the last in a long line of comments.

             As I said, you want to attack workers, there is always whaleoil.
   • BM 2.7

     1 October 2018 at 8:24 pm

     Well said, Anne.

     They’re like spoilt children who have a tantrum because they aren’t allowed to eat all the cookies in the cookie jar.
     • Incognito 2.7.1

       1 October 2018 at 8:37 pm

       I doubt that you and Anne are on the same wavelength on this but nice to see you agreeing with her.

       I took it from Anne’s comment @ 2 that in her view the teachers are overplaying their hand.

       Some commenters here seem to have taken to reflexive responses not in the least due to technicality pointed out by Alwyn (who else?). It seems to come down to: either you’re with us or you’re against us – no room for nuance or disagreement. Sad
       • marty mars 2.7.1.1

         1 October 2018 at 9:20 pm

         Yep. Alwyn is a toxic sexist troll – read his shit from yesterday – he’s a creep.

         I also took the meaning you ascribe to Anne’s comments – and I know I’m correct because I have read Anne’s comments in this area before.

         Personally I’d pay the teachers much more and support week strikes to get it. Our children deserve more, they deserve teachers that can live and be the best they can be to deliver the education. Some things are sacrosanct to me and decent incomes for teachers and nurses are two of them.
         • Incognito 2.7.1.1.1

           1 October 2018 at 9:23 pm

           Ta
         • alwyn 2.7.1.1.2

           1 October 2018 at 11:32 pm

           Oh dear the little chap is upset.
           I gather you have missed taking your medication for another day..
       • Anne 2.7.1.2

         1 October 2018 at 9:28 pm

         I took it from Anne’s comment @ 2 that in her view the teachers are overplaying their hand.

         Thank you Incognito. That is exactly what I meant.

         I may prove to be wrong, but imo they do run a risk of over-doing it. If it’s well run with a minimum of confusion and disruption that’s good but… if its anything like the new bus time table fiascos (latest on the North Shore) then I’m not so sure.

         Just joking in case someone misinterprets.
     • In Vino 2.7.2

       1 October 2018 at 8:42 pm

       Silly boy, BM. They are not spoilt children – they are the those beyond the poverty line, often with no really caring parent. And the cookies in the jar (actually very few in number) turn out not to be cookies, but stale, rotting dog biscuits. And the teachers don’t want to eat them – they want better biscuits to be provided for the kids.
       I know you want to project a greedy image for the teacher unions. You are doomed to failure. There are enough students and parents who understand the truth. In my experience, that is precisely why at various times in the past the Govt has had to give in and allow a decent settlement for teachers. They suddenly realised that the majority of Boards of Trustees and parents were actually siding with the teachers. You must have hated those moments, assuming you are old enough.
       • mac1 2.7.2.1

         1 October 2018 at 9:10 pm

         BM has a little problem linking tqx evasion to the provision of such things as education by the state. His biscuit jar is 10% empty already because some refuse to donate any baking.

         I’d recommend to him the Finnish example where all Finns, especially the well off, recognise the importance of paying taxes for education as they all benefit from well-educated and thinking workers and citizens.

         They also got rid of privately funded schools as they all, rich and poor, recognised the social benefits of an egalitarian education, funded by the tqx-payers and provided by the state.

         Michael Moore’s film “Where to Invade Next” is very apposite.
         • In Vino 2.7.2.1.1

           1 October 2018 at 9:17 pm

           +1 mac1
   • Ed 2.8

     1 October 2018 at 10:56 pm

     Need to be a lot more staunch to force change.
     Nurses, doctors primary and secondary teachers all out on indefinite strike at the same time.
     • alwyn 2.8.1

       1 October 2018 at 11:34 pm

       “all out on indefinite strike at the same time.”.
       Now that really wouldn’t work out.
3. joe90 3

   1 October 2018 at 8:45 pm

   Another disgruntled, paranoid Republican with the Clintons residing in his head.

   There’s a part of Brett Kavanaugh’s bombastic statement Thursday that has stuck with me, because it reveals the foundational logic of his statement — indeed, his entire candidacy for a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court.
   After complaining about how the nomination has destroyed his family, he accuses a shady, largely fictional, mirror image of the Right Wing Noise Machine of seeking revenge.

   This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election. Fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record. Revenge on behalf of the Clintons. and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.
   This is a circus. The consequences will extend long past my nomination. The consequences will be with us for decades. This grotesque and coordinated character assassination will dissuade competent and good people of all political persuasions, from serving our country.

   The guy who insisted that–

   I am strongly opposed to giving the President any ‘break’ in the questioning regarding the details of the Lewinsky relationship — unless before questioning on Monday, he either (i) resigns or (ii) confesses perjury and issues a public apology to [sexual assault cover-up expert Ken Starr].

   https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/30/kavanaughs-tell-revenge-on-behalf-of-the-clintons-plural/
4. joe90 4

   1 October 2018 at 10:24 pm

   Nothing quite like a soup of coal ash, pig pig, and decaying organic matter to feed your anaerobic algal bloom.

   #HurricaneFlorence brought a surge of new water to North Carolina. Streams overflow with colored dissolved organic matter (CDOM) as carbon moves from land to sea.The dark plumes shooting into the Atlantic were seen by Landsat 8 two days ago: https://t.co/x5tgBC9lUz pic.twitter.com/yWMnfbpXA1— Joshua Stevens (@jscarto) September 21, 2018

   https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/92786/a-broad-view-of-flooding-in-the-carolinas

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