Daily review 03/10/2023

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  1. Dennis Frank 1
    3 October 2023 at 5:48 pm

    Wikipedia surprised me with the news she was producer of Campbell Live. Now she's taking a leadership stance:

    Labour leader Chris Hipkins is downplaying comments by MP Ingrid Leary who has spoken in favour of a wealth tax. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499312/election-2023-national-mischief-making-over-claims-ingrid-leary-backs-wealth-tax-hipkins

    The Taieri MP, who has also been chair of the Finance and Expenditure Committee in the last Labour government, has become the second Labour MP in the past week to publicly back a wealth tax, following Ibrahim Omer.

    These two breaking ranks sends a signal of the future, I suspect.

    "Labour loves tax like a shark loves blood, and Hipkins' colleagues are circling," Bishop said.

    Lurid but effective imagery. Bish ought not to get over-excited though lest he be seen to be counting his chickens before they hatch.

    In a statement to RNZ, Leary said what she conveyed to the meeting was such taxes were not Labour policy this term, but could be in the future.

    "The Labour tax policy is clear – we are not proposing a wealth tax or capital gains tax if re-elected. Caucus has agreed that position. What I conveyed was that it could be something for the future, but it is not a policy for our next term."

    Aha! Pointing to the possibility of a u-turn if a new captain makes the call post-election. Very subtle. Few punters will see that signal, and few of her colleagues too!

    • bwaghorn 1.1
      3 October 2023 at 7:05 pm

      A recent poll I read lately, (more poles than a strip club ) had a majority wanted wealth raxs , its pretty safe ground imho

    • Muttonbird 1.2
      3 October 2023 at 7:14 pm

      Simon O'Conner celebrated the the overturning of Roe v Wade and was forced to retract and apologise.

      I am a great advocate for free speech but all rights have limits and in this case the nature of the comments – the distress, the hurt – this has to stop and I can't be facilitating it.

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/469937/simon-o-connor-apologises-to-fellow-national-mps-over-abortion-post

      Perhaps the wealthiest 10% feel equally deserving of an apology from Ingrid Leary for causing them distress by mentioning a CGT.

      • Dennis Frank 1.2.1
        3 October 2023 at 7:33 pm

        Jeez that guy's dork central if ever I saw it. Hope ACT's amazonian/aquarian contender dethrones the bugger!

        I'm a bit of a punter on prospects of change for that 10% group. A sneaking suspicion that I may be one of them is also relevant – a maths wiz could figure that out if I mention being freehold in possession of a home worth on a good day around 650K? However my ex-hippie self isn't keen on being classified as capitalist even though my extreme rw brother pointed out that I had become one as a successful market player. I didn't even bother mentioning, when I agreed ruefully, that I hadn't stopped seeing capitalists as a blight on society. Back to the topic though, I reckon we can rely on this decile to have more of a mental grasp of the state of the world than you may think they do…

        • Muttonbird 1.2.1.1
          3 October 2023 at 9:22 pm

          They do have a grasp on the state of the world and are able to act on it freely, which is why social division and harm is a particularly stubborn nut to crack.

        • Jester 1.2.1.2
          3 October 2023 at 10:47 pm

          I think Brooke Van Velden will win the seat for Act.

  2. joe90 2
    3 October 2023 at 7:47 pm

    And they call woke a mind virus.

    “Thirty years ago, if I told you that a bunch of billionaires and intellectuals on the right are waiting in the wings to impose a dictatorship on the United States, you would have said that I was insane,” he said.

    “But it’s no longer insane. It’s now real. There are those people out there,” Linker added. “The question is: will they get their chance.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/01/red-caesar-authoritarianism-republicans-extreme-right

  3. Dennis Frank 3
    3 October 2023 at 7:54 pm

    Elizabeth Rata: "lawyers tend to believe that if it is said, and especially if it is said in legislation, then it must be true." https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/10/03/elizabeth-rata-two-treaties-of-waitangi-the-articles-treaty-and-the-principles-treaty/

    But tribalist intellectuals, activists and lawyers aside, the group most to blame for the invention of the Principles Treaty are our Members of Parliament. The inclusion into legislation of a statute without legislators knowing what it meant is an unprecedented failure of political representation. Compounding the failure by continuing to insert the Principles does not make up for that failure. Repeating an error does not diminish or remove it, rather the error is consolidated.

    So her thesis is that this collective hallucination (Principles Treaty) got dreamed up a few decades back (driven by a strong collective urge to right the historical wrong), and has subsequently operated in tandem with the dualist TOW & Te Tiriti linguistic alternatives, which conspiracy theorists add the earlier English drafts into to confuse things even more. No, I'm not into nominating a mastermind!

    The initial authority for inclusion was not given by the people. Until this occurs, or if the people refuse to authorise the inclusion, the Principles do not have the authority claimed for them. They should be removed. In the end, legitimacy is decided by the people if democracy is to work.

    Technically correct. However, academic clowns will continue to get it wrong. It's a free market in ideas & they have every right to play the fool therein. Established political parties usually demonstrate their irrelevance by being even more foolish on the topic, to sideline the competing academics. Picking the biggest fool at any moment ain't easy.

    The initial authority for inclusion was not given by the people. Until this occurs, or if the people refuse to authorise the inclusion, the Principles do not have the authority claimed for them. They should be removed. In the end, legitimacy is decided by the people if democracy is to work.

    If the pollies & lawyers gang up on the people, who will win? Yeah. Call their bluff.

    The discussion about whether we want Treaty Principles may be four decades late, but it must happen for the sake of New Zealand democracy.

    I identify three possible choices. The first is to continue with the 1980s’ invented Principles Treaty knowing it justifies co-governance and will lead to the irresolvable conflict between a kinship-based polity and a universal democratic one, one justified in a racial division of people into indigenous and non-indigenous.

    The second choice is to value the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi as one of the country’s most significant historical documents, but one with no practical relevance to a modern democracy.

    The third choice is similar to the second but treasures the symbolic value of the historical document within the nation’s collective memory. It is to regard the principles (lower case ‘p’) mentioned in the 1975 Treaty of Waitangi Act as referring directly to the Articles but with no meaning or application beyond those Articles.

    That's an extremely impressive triad! Well done Elizabeth. Rise to the challenge folks, let's give Aotearoa the shift that the times require. yes

  4. aj 4
    3 October 2023 at 8:00 pm

    Luxon seems to be doing great a David Brent impersonation while out campaigning. Lots of little furtive grins towards the cameras.

    • Dennis Frank 4.1
      3 October 2023 at 8:10 pm

      Has he really? Coy? Better be careful he doesn't out-smart himself. However one must factor in that he can use tacit awareness with biological signalling, a survival skill.

      • ianmac 4.1.1
        3 October 2023 at 9:58 pm

        There was a clip on TV1 news of Luxon getting really close to an elderly man who said he had always voted Labour but now he would vote National. I believe that the moment the clip finished Luxon would abandon his forced grin and abandon the old man. On to the next posed image, on with the forced grin cuddle up etc. etc

        Inauthentic???

        • Kat 4.1.1.1
          3 October 2023 at 10:28 pm

          First it was the mood of the board room…..now its the mood of the rest home…

          Luxon is as about authentic as a Rolex from the back streets of Calcutta……

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