Daily review 10/12/2021

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1. weka 1

   10 December 2021 at 5:42 pm

   reposting from OM, because sometimes the simple stats work the best.

   https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1468771112150614023
2. SPC 2

   10 December 2021 at 6:46 pm

   Why do some people see any left wing male support for gender ideology against womens rights as an issue in this matter?

   Is to merely accuse them of lack of solidarity with left wing women (to use the political term whip them into line)?

   But that effort only distracts from the uncomfortable truth that mainstream feminist organisations (such as NOW formed by second wave feminists in the USA and the NCOWNZ here) have decided to support the "trans cause".

   In that matter there is to some degree an older group of women (who have long fought for the women's safety issues) who question this "progressive" cause – the next level of acceptance of equality with difference (from choice of sexuality to choice of gender, not just as an equality for the male and female – but in terms of their gender identity choice being recognised by others).

   Do those of critical gender theory see these mainstream feminist organisations as supporting a gender ideology, against women?

   PS

   “NCWNZ is an umbrella organisation working towards true gender equality in Aotearoa New Zealand.”
   • weka 2.1

     10 December 2021 at 7:29 pm

     the fact that the NCW still use the word gender tells me that either they don't understand the issues, or they do and they are ok with women losing our sex based rights and having them replaced with gender identity rights instead. I would guess the former, but it's probably a mix.

     There are plenty of women who seem willing to swap sex for gender. Why that is is a really big question. I have my own theories about it, but it's reasonably clear that many young lesbians are transitioning because it's just too hard to be lesbian in a misogynistic culture.

     We lost the culture war over sexism, and young women are subjected to both appalling and banal misogyny, from growing up with pink for girls/blue for boys stereotypes (that we thought were over and done with but are back with a vengence) to the ways in which coming of age sexually has to be navigated via boyfriends who learn sex from anti-women porn or before they're teens they're getting sexually harassed or assaulted by men. The women that escape that still have to live in that culture, and the messaging to girls is often about how fucked it is to be female. Who wouldn't want to be a trans man or NB under those conditions?

     NCW and NOW are pretty conventional organisations. They do good work, but they're not going to deal with the complexities of the gender/sex war for a range of reasons.

     And yes, I see those organisations to varying degrees now working against women despite also working for women. The clearest example is the Rape Crisis organisation in the UK that has a trans woman running it who has said that women who want female-only services need to work on their bigotry, and should in fact be re-educated.

     That's women who have just been raped being told that they not only have to accept male counsellors but they have to like it (and remember that with self-ID any man can say they are a woman, and any trans woman can now look and act just like a man. If you don't believe me, ask and I will provide examples). And if they don't accept male counsellors they are bigots.

     I'm assuming this applies to support groups as well, that they may be mixed. I don't believe that trans women and women have the same experiences of rape, and I think there should be parallel services and where funding and resources permit, mixed services for those that want them. I don't believe that TW's need to be validated as women by having services treat them as women in all regards should trump the needs of women traumatised by rape.

     https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19509343.outcry-plan-educate-bigoted-rape-survivors-trans-rights/
     • Blazer 2.1.1

       11 December 2021 at 8:57 pm

       'but it's reasonably clear that many young lesbians are transitioning because it's just too hard to be lesbian in a misogynistic culture.'

       TBH,I have tried to follow this narrative about sex,gender,and trans people and my head is spinning.

       Can someone simplify it…what does it all mean…what does each group want or not want?
       • weka 2.1.1.1

         11 December 2021 at 10:17 pm

         ask more specific questions and I'll be happy to answer them.

         Many lesbians want the word lesbian to mean females attracted to other females. Gender identity ideologists want lesbian to mean any human who identifies as a woman and is attracted to any other human who identifies as a woman.
   • weka 2.2

     10 December 2021 at 7:33 pm

     Why do some people see any left wing male support for gender ideology against womens rights as an issue in this matter?

     Why wouldn't it be an issue? When left wing men support MRAs, feminists also name the issue.

     Is to merely accuse them of lack of solidarity with left wing women (to use the political term whip them into line)?

     Merely? Are you saying that solidarity from left wing men is a minor matter for feminists?

     The left has always had problems with sexism. They haven't gone away although it's definitely better. But here again we have men saying that they get to decide what women's politics is real and valid, depending on how the men feel about it. Of course women are going to object.

     The reason I talk about this at times is because the gender/sex war impacts badly on women far more than on men. Naming the dynamics is part of making sure that women get to keep talking about what matters to them.
3. Anker 3

   10 December 2021 at 7:01 pm

   SPC, I am not entirely sure what you are saying. One of the first things that alerted me to problems with gender ideology was that lesbian women really close to me, were being shut done and told they were transphobic for not agreeing with the phrase "trans women are real women". I have very much had a take people however there are as I find them.

   But it bothered me greatly that there was a requirement people had to go along with ideology. A bit like if christians tried to tell me I must believe in god, else I was a bad person. From there I started reading about what is going on with this ideology and I found it deeply concerning to say the least.

   Some left wing progressive men (and women) appear to have accepted trans ideology at face value. Much as I would have, had I not been exposed to the situations I mention above. Acceptinng gender ideology means accepting the men who identify as women can access women's space, competitions, prisons etc. Some left wing men have not listened and realized that this is a problem for women, who afterall are 50% of the population (as opposed to .4% transwomen). Some of us find it deeply objectionable that men are happy to support gender ideology when it cuts across our hard won rights.

   Some women and many men have adopted this ideology out of naivity or wanting to be progressive or even a geniune concern for people who don't have an easy ride. Some people do it out of fear, and I can assure you it isn't great being accused of being transphobic. I tend to think a lot of women who have adopted gender ideology either don’t understand what is really going on, and got swept along on a group think rollar coaster

   Gender activists have worked very hard and I must say have been very successful at shutting down the debate. They managed to close down four meetings SUFW were trying to hold in public facitites, mostly by acusing them of being a hate group. This is not true at all. So shutting down the debate means people stay poorly informed.

   I am not sure if this answers your question.
4. SPC 4

   10 December 2021 at 7:17 pm

   Back in the USA, a candidate for POTUS said he could shoot a person in the street and get away with it (channeling his inner Dick Duerte) – just like any white cop.

   Since then white vigilante groups have patrolled streets during BLM protests and carried guns to better protect property.

   It should be interesting to note what happens here when Maori groups seek to protect the lives of people of their community.

   https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/opening-a-fire-hydrant-is-a-city-summer-tradition/
5. Ad 5

   11 December 2021 at 4:20 am

   That's an impressive by China to persuade Nicaragua's new government to shift diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to PRC. Right on the US doorstep, a day after the dilomatic boycott of the Winter Games, and on the day of Biden's democracy summit, it's a pointed and effective move that deeply isolates Taiwan.
   • bwaghorn 5.1

     11 December 2021 at 8:30 am

     Of in the distance I'm sure I can here the drums of war,
   • francesca 5.2

     11 December 2021 at 9:08 am

     I don't imagine they took much persuading. They've left the OAS, and want to maintain and strengthen CELAC.

     A bit of background from the foreign minister of Nicaragua

     https://thegrayzone.com/2021/11/27/nicaragua-foreign-minister-denis-moncada/
     • RedLogix 5.2.1

       11 December 2021 at 9:10 am

       Irony meter explosion:

       But we have been very clear, and we say that we do not accept foreign interference, nor interventions, that try to meddle in the internal concerns of our country.

       Then:

       A few years ago, Nicaragua made an agreement with a Chinese company to build an inter-oceanic canal. And we have seen that this topic, this issue of the inter-oceanic canal, became a major point of conflict in international politics.
       • francesca 5.2.1.1

         11 December 2021 at 9:21 am

         That's Nicaragua's choice.I'm sure you would agree they have the right to make agreements with whoever they wish .
         • RedLogix 5.2.1.1.1

           11 December 2021 at 8:27 pm

           Yes but the idea that the Chinese will not 'interfere' or expect their quid pro quo is pretty silly.
           • Blazer 5.2.1.1.1.1

             11 December 2021 at 9:02 pm

             Getting ahead of yourself there again..Red…

             this is the important takeaway…

             ' Currently, one-fourth of the global population lives in countries sanctioned by the United States and the European Union. That is to say, one-fourth of humanity lives in countries under sanctions.'

             Why is dat?

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