Daily Review 18/11/2015

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Andrew Little no fear

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  1. Grindlebottom 1
    18 November 2015 at 6:40 pm

    When confronted with barbarism of the sort we saw in the weekend, barbarism that kills and maims the innocent, the urge for revenge and retribution is real, and it is human.

    In our shock and in our anger, we want to avenge, to enact an equal price.

    But it is when the urge for revenge is greatest that our humanity must take over – our sense of ourselves as a loving and peaceful and just people.

    For just as the perpetrators of this gross violence wish us to cower in fear to their warped tyranny, so also do they want to see us abandon our humanity.

    Little’s statement in full:
    http://campaign.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_remarks_on_the_attacks_in_paris

  2. ianmac 2
    18 November 2015 at 7:28 pm

    I was half listening to those speeches and drifted off with Bill’s half hearted spiel.
    Then perked up with Andrew’s statesmanlike words. It stood out from the cliche ridden efforts of the others. Except for Winston’s perhaps.

  3. Anne 3
    18 November 2015 at 7:35 pm

    I say it again. Would someone please tell Andrew Little to speak more directly into his microphone. He does not have a voice that normally carries well and I, for one, have difficulty hearing him loud and clear. When you compare his voice with those that precede or follow him in the debating chamber, his words come across as less clear. I fear some of the impact of his speeches are lost because of it.

  4. Rawsharkosaurus 4
    18 November 2015 at 7:37 pm

    Something to ponder: just what is it about Daesh downing a Russian passenger airliner that makes it so very much worse than Russian terrorists downing a Malaysian passenger airliner?

    Bonus points if you can think of an answer that doesn’t involve religion.

    • Tracey 4.1
      18 November 2015 at 8:04 pm

      And the speed with which cause was identified in one but not the other?

    • Grindlebottom 4.2
      18 November 2015 at 9:05 pm

      Why do you say Daesh downing a Russian passenger airliner is worse than Russian terrorists downing a Malaysian passenger airline? They both deserve equal condemnation and I haven’t seen any evidence that one has received any less attention than the other. In fact I’d say the Malaysian airliner downing has received more attention to date. Who did it is still not conclusively established. Both sides have been condemned in media. Both sides deny it.
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28357880

      Tracey yes it’s odd that all of a sudden the Russians have gone from saying it’s too soon to say ISIS brought their airliner down to now saying ISIS did it. The Egyptians haven’t reached the same conclusion yet. But on the other hand, Russia is saying it now has evidence of a bomb, there are other pointers to it (US satellite picking up flashes etc), and of course ISIS is claiming responsibility for it, which is a big difference from the Malaysian airliner where everyone’s claiming innocence.
      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/egypt-plane-crash-bomb-jet-russia-security-service

      • Rawsharkosaurus 4.2.1
        18 November 2015 at 9:51 pm

        “Why do you say Daesh downing a Russian passenger airliner is worse than Russian terrorists downing a Malaysian passenger airline?”

        I’m not saying it is – I’m just observing the reactions.

        “They both deserve equal condemnation”

        Agreed

        “and I haven’t seen any evidence that one has received any less attention than the other. ”

        I haven’t seen Malaysia bombing Russia lately – cf. Russia bombing Syria.

      • tracey 4.2.2
        19 November 2015 at 7:57 am

        “They both deserve equal condemnation ”

        I took that to be Rawsharkosaurus’ point grindleB

        Exactly @ everyone claiing innocence… and the time it has taken to attribute blame… almost makes you think it is cos it is a UN nation state at fault for that one…

    • Ad 4.3
      19 November 2015 at 12:03 am

      Is anyone you are aware of doing such moral equivalence?

      • tracey 4.3.1
        19 November 2015 at 7:58 am

        yes. The Russian and US governments, cos it is highly unlikely that they don’t know by now what and who brought down that plane over the Ukraine given the speed of identification of the source of the plane over Saudi?

  5. Bill 5
    18 November 2015 at 7:48 pm

    This dropped into my inbox from the Green Party. Unfortunately, and not as I first suspected, it isn’t a piss take 🙁

    I’ve spent a lot of time chasing the winter – travelling across the world to get the best snow and another season of snowboarding in. It’s great being a New Zealander travelling. People overseas love our country and they love us. We have a reputation as hard working, good people, who like to have fun.

    But the government are harming our reputation with their lack of action on climate change. I believe we need a climate plan New Zealand can be proud of.

    • Tracey 5.1
      18 November 2015 at 8:02 pm

      !!!???

    • Molly 5.2
      18 November 2015 at 8:44 pm

      Sent a message to the Green Party when I received mine. I have only received the stock reply so far, but I considered it best to get in touch with them first to give them a chance to reconsider the text.

      But like you, did a double take at the message when it came through.

      • weka 5.2.1
        18 November 2015 at 8:52 pm

        I didn’t get one. Care to post the whole thing and who it is from?

        • Molly 5.2.1.1
          18 November 2015 at 9:23 pm

          Green Party send out – author Hayley Holt.

          ” I’ve spent a lot of time chasing the winter – travelling across the world to get the best snow and another season of snowboarding in. It’s great being a New Zealander travelling. People overseas love our country and they love us. We have a reputation as hard working, good people, who like to have fun.

          But the government are harming our reputation with their lack of action on climate change. I believe we need a climate plan New Zealand can be proud of.

          And that’s why I’ll be marching with the Green Party bloc at the People’s Climate March at the end of this month. Put your name down too.

          On the global stage, experts have called our target “inadequate”. That’s just a pretty polite way to say that it really sucks.

          We’ve got a chance in just a few weeks to stand up, with people all over the world, and say that we want real action to protect the things we love, including New Zealand’s reputation. We can create a good future for everyone, if we take this chance.

          Sign up for the Green bloc at the People’s Climate March, in towns all over New Zealand on the weekend of the 28th of November.

          RSVP today to show you’ll be there.

          Let’s do this.

          Hayley Holt

          Snowboarder, Ballroom Dancer and TV Presenter”

          • Rosemary McDonald 5.2.1.1.1
            18 November 2015 at 9:25 pm

            Maybe she rode her bicycle between snowboarding venues?

          • Ad 5.2.1.1.2
            19 November 2015 at 12:05 am

            Pure political comedy.
            She’s going to get lovely volumes of grief for that.

            Plus, i want this on my business card:

            “Snowboarder, Ballroom Dancer and TV Presenter”

            Yeahbaybeeeeee!!!!

    • b waghorn 5.3
      18 November 2015 at 8:55 pm

      Jets arnt fucking the planet its cows I tell you dirty food producing cows.

    • Thinking Right 5.4
      18 November 2015 at 9:21 pm

      I think what Bill is alluding to is the writer of this piece fails to see that their lifestyle of jetting around the world (on fossil fuel burning airliners) is at odds with their professed desire for the NZ Government to do something about climate change.

      Unless of course the writer actually rowed around the world to avoid be a large consumer of carbon during their chasing of the snow…..

      • sabine 5.4.1
        18 November 2015 at 9:32 pm

        and it better be actual snow, cause snow machines are not environmentally friendly, ski slopes are not environmentally friendly and maintaining them does damage the mountains too.

      • tracey 5.4.2
        19 November 2015 at 8:01 am

        It is heartening to see you recognising the hypocrisy in this epistle from the left. Now take your newly aquired skill and shine it on to the las t 7 years of the current government. Thank you in advance.

    • maui 5.5
      18 November 2015 at 9:24 pm

      Heh, being green isn’t so sexy when you have to start giving up a modern lifestyle.

  6. BM 6
    18 November 2015 at 8:16 pm

    Who is They?

    • Atiawa 6.1
      18 November 2015 at 8:30 pm

      Use your imagination Einstein.

      • weka 6.1.1
        18 November 2015 at 8:52 pm

        and use the reply button, or at least reference what you are replying to.

      • b waghorn 6.1.2
        18 November 2015 at 8:58 pm

        A conservative using there imagination , oh stop Atiawa you’re killing it tonight.

      • BM 6.1.3
        18 November 2015 at 9:41 pm

        Chinese?

        • Atiawa 6.1.3.1
          18 November 2015 at 9:54 pm

          Cold. But keep trying.

        • ropata 6.1.3.2
          19 November 2015 at 12:12 am

          They = “Them”, the baddies, not “Us”, the goodies

          They could be anywhere, watching, waiting, plotting, manipulating.

          There is probably some context missing but it’s more fun this way 🙂

        • Sabine 6.1.3.3
          19 November 2015 at 7:45 am

          the chinese killed people in Paris?

          They did?
          When?
          have you got a link?
          cheers.

          • tracey 6.1.3.3.1
            19 November 2015 at 8:01 am

            crickets

          • BM 6.1.3.3.2
            19 November 2015 at 8:14 am

            For some reason I thought he was going on about John Key and National again.

            Some of the stuff he’s said has been so over the top and ridiculous, I just thought he was having another one of those episodes again.

            • Sabine 6.1.3.3.2.1
              19 November 2015 at 8:19 am

              Well you know, you could read, or at least pretend to inform yourself before laying turds everywhere. It just makes you look like a paid stooge and at some stage i would expect even you to get bored by it.

              Be a National supporter, be a John Key supporter, tell us why you think they are doing right, but don’t make yourself dumb, ever. That is just childish, and boring to be quite honest.

  7. Molly 7
    18 November 2015 at 9:21 pm

    Been AFK in the last couple of days and read this blog from a Lebanese doctor, while looking for information of the Beirut suicide bombing – A Separate State of Mind.

    His blog picture is a good one, a more inclusive pic for a Facebook profile I would say – even though I don’t have Facebook.

    Read with sadness the following blogpost regarding Adel Termos – who was at that Beirut location with his daughter, and saw the second person moving towards the crowd that was gathering to provide aid to the injured. He tackled that person, and was killed… along with his young daughter.

    “45 is a number that could have been much, much higher if it weren’t for the bravery and courage of one man named Adel Termos, a father of two. When the first suicide bomber committed the first terrorist attack, Adel saw the second one approaching the crowds gathering outside the targeted mosque.

    He ran at him and tackled him, causing the second terrorist to self-detonate. Tonight, Adelis no longer of this world, but his legacy will live on for years, and the repercussions of his heroism will become a tale to tell: Adel is the reason we are not talking about fatalities in the three digits today, he is the reason some families still have their sons, daughters, fathers and mothers, he is a Lebanese hero whose name should be front and center in every single outlet”

    A sobering read, and a necessary one for some, to help broaden the discussion on how we all suffer and pay the price for indiscriminate violence.