Daily review 20/07/2020

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  1. swordfish 1
    20 July 2020 at 6:12 pm

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    On Nine To Noon Politics today, Neale Jones pointed to some interesting UMR Poll data on Judith Collins' Favourability ratings.

    Shortly before English announced he was standing down as National Leader in February 2018, UMR (anticipating the obvious) asked voters who they preferred as new Nat leader & also broadened the usual Leader Favourability measure to include all possible contenders.

    While Collins led the Preferred New National Leader question (albeit marginally) [12% of all respondents / 17% of Nat voters] … perhaps more importantly (for 2020) she along with Paula Bennett had the worst Favourability ratings of all candidates …

    https://twitter.com/swordfish7774/status/1285093497163313152

    Assuming those figures haven't changed much over the past 2 years (& we can't rule out an improvement) … then it's rare for new Major Party Leaders to start off with a net Negative rating [Collins minus 20 / Bennett minus 21] … and low Undecideds arguably allowing little room for improvement.

    Suggesting, perhaps, someone to consolidate the Party Base rather than win over the Swing-Vote.

    Nine To Noon Politics

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018755702/politics-with-trish-sherson-and-neale-jones

    The Spinoff

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-02-2018/exclusive-poll-gives-judith-collins-slim-lead-as-preferred-national-leader/

  2. Dennis Frank 2
    20 July 2020 at 6:20 pm

    Excellent report just now from Lloyd Burr on 3News from London, where a bunch of kiwi ex-pat immigration lawyers are planning on taking the govt to the Human Rights Commission. So if Labour are serious about copying National in their usual braindead manner they'd better establish a sound legal basis.

    The gist I got was that return to the homeland is a right of citizenship. If so, attempting to hit returning citizens with an arbitrary cost of several thousand dollars may get struck down by the courts. Perhaps Andrew Geddes will issue his opinion on the scenario to the media.

    Someone they interviewed said that most returnees would consider it a hefty price to pay, which confirms my impression that viewing ex-pats as wealthy is unrealistic. So the proposal looks wobbly on two significant counts.

    • lprent 2.1
      20 July 2020 at 6:43 pm

      I suspect that the government will just frame it as being a rationing system. You can’t climb on a plane until you have mandatory quarantine room at an approved controlled location. The places subsidised by the government are limited.

      If they don’t have a room and just turn up at the airport, then I’d suggest reopening the old Mt Eden prison as a place to put up them up for 2 weeks. They can enjoy the historical location. I’m sure that we could reopen the old quarantine stations in Wellington Harbour as well.

      Probably be cheaper for taxpayers than a starred hotel.

      We really don’t need to get people to pay..

      • Dennis Frank 2.1.1
        20 July 2020 at 6:53 pm

        One of those Lloyd interviewed told him that the govt ought to pay the cost. Viewing that as implementation of a socialist principle, I agree. Only fair for all to share the costs & benefits of ex-pat skills being added to our work-force, eh?

        But the general sense amongst ex-pats in London seems to be that extricating themselves would be difficult anyway, so don't expect a rush! That means any policy will have to take the medium-term into account as well as short-term, perhaps even long-term.

        I think at the very least if the coalition rushes legislation through, they ought to include an arrangement to park the money charged to returnees into a holding account, pending any judicial decision on validity…

        • xanthe 2.1.1.1
          20 July 2020 at 7:13 pm

          Jacinda in her presser this afternoon covered this topic extensively. they have no intention of "the coalition rushes legislation through". They will not move until and unless the legalities are all nailed down and they wont move at all unless they certain it will not impact the primary purpose of protecting us all from covid crossing the border

        • Editractor 2.1.1.2
          20 July 2020 at 7:14 pm

          Only fair for all to share the costs & benefits of ex-pat skills being added to our work-force, eh?

          Are they being added? The guy I saw interviewed was a lawyer who had been living in the UK for 4 years. He wanted to come back to attend some weddings. I don't recall him saying he intended to stay. Are NZ taxpayers expected to pay for someone to come back for a holiday?

          • Sabine 2.1.1.2.1
            20 July 2020 at 7:18 pm

            +1

          • weka 2.1.1.2.2
            20 July 2020 at 9:13 pm

            good point. Someone coming back for a funeral otoh?

            Maybe it needs to be managed through a visa system. Not sure how far the state should demand details about what people intend to do here. Very tricky.

            • Sabine 2.1.1.2.2.1
              22 July 2020 at 9:46 pm

              Not really.

              fill out a card upon arrival. Are you here to stay? Tick yes, if not explain.

              Costs of your quarantine are refundable if the person is only in the country for say 8 weeks.

              Not that hard.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.2
      20 July 2020 at 9:43 pm

      Government should send a ship for them.

      With tourism down there's probably a few luxury ships available to hire or even buy capable of holding several thousand people. Have the ex-pats board the ship and by the time they arrive back here they've been through isolation.

      Still limited capacity but it means that we'd be able to handle more at a time and there'd be no climbing over the fence – unless they want to swim.

  3. Sabine 3
    20 July 2020 at 6:39 pm

    file this under 'how bad could it be', 'how bad can it get'.

    https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1285069430666326016

  4. Just Is 4
    20 July 2020 at 7:09 pm

    National, one step forward, two steps backwards

    This could be a close competition between National and NZF for supporters

  5. Sabine 5
    20 July 2020 at 7:16 pm

    and file this under / but her fucking emails

    https://twitter.com/shesinscrubs/status/1284950366744989696

  8. Patricia Bremner 8
    21 July 2020 at 4:06 pm

    There was a signal in Judith Collins' handling of the Falloon shambles.

    She will twist any story to bring Jacinda Ardern's good name in to question using innuendo and rhetorical questions when discussing things with the press.

    If Judith finds herself cornered through her glib responses, the errant Nat will quickly be shown the door, to show her "strong" control.

  9. KJT 9
    22 July 2020 at 9:59 pm

    National has won the conversation again..

    Now about politicians sexual shenanigans,, not National's lack of reasonable policy.

  10. KJT 10
    23 July 2020 at 12:22 pm

    Never underestimate National's ability to lie, prevaricate and distract. It is how they keep getting elected.

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