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Herald is reporting that Bridges has called Cameron Slater to defend his actions in dealing with Jami-Lee Ross.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12148042
Oh Simon! That’s a tool that will turn in your hand.
Oh dear…
You can’t get much lower on the food chain than Slater, but it’s good to see Bridges knows his place.
Looks like the civil war hasn’t ended yet.
Fantastic.
millionaire and 7th day Adventist Church leader Paul Honnor is likely to be an intermediate in all this, as mentioned in Herald story.
First the Exclusive Brethren, dodgy ‘Christians’, but now Seventh-Day?
Millionaire and Seventh Day Adventist church leader Paul Honnor is another to emerge as a link between Ross and Slater, and is also believed to have been involved in co-ordinating support for the now-independent MP.
Honnor has known Slater for more than a decade, supporting the blogger when his security business went into liquidation and providing occasional work since. Honnor was a director of Slater’s company Social Media Consultants Ltd for three years.
Honnor was also a figure of influence in the life of Ross who grew up without a father.
From link Scott GN at #1.
A lot of children grow up without having a father at home and do very well. Better than having an alcoholic father as is often the case in NZ.
I thought that Seventh Day Adventists were more dedicated to their Christianity than to acquiring money and closer to the biblical belief that being rich is a detriment to being a true Christian. Money being Mammon and an earthly obsession.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/being_wealthy
1 Timothy 6:6-10 ESV / 9 helpful votes
Now there is great gain in godliness with contentment, for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
James 5:1-6 ESV
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days.
Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. … \ESV English Standard Version (the info says it is more suitable as an evangelical text.)
WTF is Bridges thinking???
He’s not thinking…he’s hoping,…against hope
The last words of Jami-Lee Ross before he disappeared.
Then silence…..
He didn’t disappear, he was admitted to a treatment facility.
Not silence
He was admitted to a mental institution
joe90and Chris T: as you say… that is precisely why we have not seen him or heard from him. Strange, that. Convenient for whom?
I hope these murky matters will be fully explained in the fullness of time, but in the meantime, it is unreasonable of you to expect nobody to harbour any suspicions at all.
Convenient for him I would think
He got help and left to go some where he doesn’t have half the countries media shoving microphones in his face demanding answers to questions which would probably drive him over the edge again.
The dude obviously just needs some space and support some where quiet
Very convenient for the National Party that these questions are not answered
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/24/waatea-news-column-national-party-meltdown-the-questions-that-need-asking/
“What else was going to be revealed inside National?”
Else?
He hasn’t revealed anything
“How safe are the safeguards when suddenly sanctioning a sitting Member of Parliament into mental health care when they are threatening to destabilise a Party.”
He rolled out on his own accord less than 48 hours later ffs
He has revealed $100,000 donations and a preference by National leadership for Chinese to be put on the List after they donate money over Indians.
Now,… why would that be , I wonder?…
I think even you know the answer.
Here’s a nice word to throw in at party’s.
Geopolitics.
That is clear Evidence.
“joe90and Chris T: as you say… that is precisely why we have not seen him or heard from him”
Because he probably had a serious mental health crisis and needs some time to recuperate? Why some people here think their curiosity should be sated immediately is beyond me. Jesus man, give the guy some fucking room.
I hope you are right, and I have not been harping on…
But note that you yourself used the word ‘probably’. My comment stands.
Then no more words…..
And no exposure of the ‘serious rot’ in the National Party.
Nothing in his tapes proved there was any
I said on here a couple of days before he went in he seemed to be starting to be a bit delusional as he claimed specific evidence that just wasn’t there, and questioned whether his doctor really said he was fine
Then.
Silence.
Ed there is a simple explanation. JLR was beamed up by aliens, who are in the employ of the National Party. His memory of all events potentially damaging to the National Party has been erased. Normal transmission will resume shortly.
Correction : it is the Chinational party,… not the National party.
The National party as we know it ceased to exist when Key took power from 19 November 2008 – 12 December 2016.
Please do get your facts straight.
As for the rest of your smarmy bullshit about ‘aliens’,… the only aliens we should be concerned with are the aliens that are buying their way into the Chinational party.
Eh , bud.
Oh dear, clearly sarcasm is lost on you. Obviously you are a blind follower of the latest conspiracy theory. Never mind, Key really did eat babies.
Ross will expose within the national party what ever he believes needs exposing. If it doesn’t stack up then so be it. Simple.
Or he will be prevented from exposing the ‘rot’.
‘Important’ people have been threatened.
They don’t like that.
Yes, it does look as though that is the case. The naivety of some on here – their faith in the process, is surprising. I do think, though, in this particular case, that Ross will get his opportunity. To expose Key’s filth is very important. Key cannot be remembered as a hero of NZ politics.
And he wont.
Already we are seeing how his Dirty Politics legacy was ( and still is ) a blight on NZ politics. He is ,.. and in times in the future , will be remembered as the most corrupt politician we have ever had in the modern era.
And its OK that he has a knighthood,- its good to be able to identify the crooks among us so we can be wary of them.
Halve the dose, Eddie. Cut the damn pill in half.
“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”
Donghua Liu
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11247424
Jian Yang
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/13/46657/national-mp-trained-by-chinese-spies
Anne-Marie Brady
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12127928
Yep, those issues and JLR’s long term mental health status are Parliament’s business. His political future is his party’s business.
JLR’s current mental health status and whereabouts are his, and his family’s business, not your’s, mine or Bradbury’s.
^ What he said
Again – just give the guy some breathing room and stop demanding answers. If he wants to talk he’ll talk
With respect, “those issues” are NOT solely Parliament’s business.
Why do some oppose discussion about “those issues”, i.e. the issues raised in the three links Ed provided?
To be clear, there is not ONE SINGLE REFERENCE to JLR’s mental health status or treatment in any of the three linked articles. In fact, there’s no mention of JLR AT ALL.
I’m beginning to wonder if Ed’s “Don’t shoot the messenger” refrain might (sometimes) have a grain of truth.
Aren’t we allowed to discuss the creeping influence of the Chinese state on our country’s decision making?
Don’t ask me – apparently posting links and discussing this topic might (somehow) impact on JLR’s recovery. Go figure.
I was meaning to ask John Selway.
Of course not , Ed!
It might raise too many embarrassing questions.
So back to your beer and reality TV, thank you very much.
@Ed
“That was a diversion, Wild Kapito.”
To you, I have no doubt it was
I just can’t be bothered bringing up every Labour issue to counter yours.
Mainly because I am not naive enough to think both sides are not as bad as each other
Bollocks,… naive you are not, duplicitous you are.
Like all far right wing young Chinationals, … if in danger of losing the argument,… deny , deny , deny.
Obviously. They are not.
Labour had a someone who was bullying staff. It was bought out into the open. If proven that person will be gone.
National. Hide, hide, deny.
Don’t see that culture of bullying, dishonesty, entitlement, arrogance, lies, and winning at all costs, in the other parties.
Though it suits National to have people believe that. So only those who are happy with that culture. Vote!
Who is muzzling discussion?
People like you?… or perhaps trying to ridicule those that do pose pertinent questions…
I’m just pointing out there is no evidence in his evidence, when people keep saying how the bloke has shown corrupt activity in his ex party.
If you think that is muzzling, we have seriously different definitions of the word
I haven’t commented on the Chinese infiltrating our politicians paranoia
Sorry
There is no reply button on your other post
“And Slater and Lusk?,.. are you now going to try to suggest that they DON’T HAVE an agenda??”
Of course not
They are both arseholes
[ I haven’t commented on the Chinese infiltrating our politicians paranoia… ]
And there you go.
And you wouldn’t either. Just like the National party wont.
But WHAT THEY WILL DO ,… is clamp down on someone who will, – and did – like JLR.
Never mind, having a Chinese ex tutor training Chinese nationals on surveillance under the auspices of the CCP’s military shouldn’t raise alarm bells should it ,… hell ! – lets just make him an MP in the National party , – and to hell with those Australians and their paranoia….
OFC Slater and Lusk have an agenda , that’s what I’ve been saying !! L0L !!
We all know what that agenda is, – with Lusk it is to turn off the average voter so they stay home while the right wingers ( who vote more consistently ) vote for the right.
The other agenda is to install their people in positions of influence – aka Collins. And don’t say it isn’t effective because we all know Rodney Hide stood down after being threatened with embarrassing texts… enter Don Brash after that…
I really don’t know where you got that from at all L0L !
Is Brady paranoid?
“And there you go.
And you wouldn’t either. Just like the National party wont.
But WHAT THEY WILL DO ,… is clamp down on someone who will, – and did – like JLR.
Never mind, having a Chinese ex tutor training Chinese nationals on surveillance under the auspices of the CCP’s military shouldn’t raise alarm bells should it ,… hell ! – lets just make him an MP in the National party , – and to hell with those Australians and their paranoia….”
And Labour won’t
I haven’t bothered because for every Nat Chinese Liu there is a Labour Chinese Liu
And it becomes a very boring conversation of throwing names at each other
@ Chris T
[ I haven’t bothered because for every Nat Chinese Liu there is a Labour Chinese Liu .And it becomes a very boring conversation of throwing names at each other… ]
OR , … it doesn’t.
Because in Labours case it was demonstrated that the $ 100,000 dollar donation AND the bottle of wine that was supposed to be its equivalence was a fabrication.
But that didn’t stop John Armstrong writing an appalling column demanding David Cunliffes resignation in the NZ Herald and furthering the lie, did it… to which even to this day he has not really apologized for his so-called ‘unbiased and dishonest media editorials ‘ ..
That was a diversion, Wild Kapito.
Yes Ed,… but the childlike retort of ‘they do it- why cant we’? deserves to be put in perspective. Esp when the Chinational party is concerned.
My reply was to Joe90@4.2.2.2.1.1, who mentioned JLR’s mental health a couple of times in his reply to Ed’s 3-link comment @4.2.2.2.1.
I got the impression that Joe90 was implying that Ed’s comment might impact of JLR’s health, and/or that the linked issues were suitable for discussion by Parliament only.
I could be wrong – if so then I apologise.
There is evidence.
I’ve not kept track of all Ross’ interviews and statements but I believe he’s not made one legitimate reference to having mental health problems.
It’s the National Party and their hangers-on, some media, and even some commenters here who have pushed this line.
When it was announced he was to take leave from parliament he said he’d had a breakdown but that was part of a National Party announcement and obviously agreed to.
Other than that I don’t think he’s referenced his mental state at all. It’s others, including the many amateur psychologists we have on The Standard who have been trying to diagnose him from afar.
Is being critical of the National Party and fighting back against their wicked and underhand ways now proof of mental illness? They and their supporters would certainly like you to think so.
There was some sort of incident at his electorate office or home on the weekend (more than likely prompted by as yet unnamed National Party fixers) but just two nights in Middlemore suggests there was not much to it in terms of a mental health catastrophe, contrary to the bizarre claims from a number of people here saying that was a big deal. It sounds to me like a quick once over and a clean bill of health.
No, there has been not admission from Ross himself there are serious and long lasting problems. But his new enemies have been very active in telling the world he is a sick, sick man who needs ‘time out’
How convenient…
“I’ve not kept track of all Ross’ interviews and statements but I believe he’s not made one legitimate reference to having mental health problems.”
So him saying he had a mental breakdown on National TV was a figment of the countries imagination?
People can say anything to garner effect,… just look at yourself or the National party , – they are masters at making things up.
Anyhow, its a dead subject now because we see the Dirty Politics brigades involvement. And Slater and Lusk?,.. are you now going to try to suggest that they DON’T HAVE an agenda??
Give us all a break.
Was this associated with the announcement he was to take leave from parliament?
Same issue with your other comment sorry. No reply button.
“Was this associated with the announcement he was to take leave from parliament?”
There is something I am getting slightly confused over.
Your comments seem to imply he was lying about the mental breakdown, yet you seem adamant he is telling the truth about any accusations he makes against Bridges.
Do you mind making a choice about how honest he is?
Not lying. He’s certainly been under pressure in the last few weeks, particularly in the last week. I just think that first statement by Ross was scripted and all of them at that point agreed that was the best way forward.
Something then changed. It was when Bridges suggested Ross was the leaker. Perhaps that wasn’t agreed to by all the parties. Ross protested, and then that poisonous bitch Paula Bennett lifted the bedsheets.
I reckon Ross has just accepted the sea change and decided the best thin for the country is to out the practices of this National opposition. I think he’s ashamed of his behaviour not just toward women in his personal relationships but toward the people of New Zealand for the work he used to do for the National Party.
He really wants to get this out and I don’t think we should be preventing him from doing so.
Sure JLR had a time of depression , sure , we all get that.
No problems.
But what we are seeing is :
A ) A personal vendetta against Bridges by JLR ,…
B ) The kick back from National in suddenly producing 4 or more women who they say JLR abused them – a perfectly timed smearing operation
C ) The above response not tied in with historical grievances large enough to air publicly – until of course, JLR pulled the plug on National.
D ) A most peculiar ‘whisking’ away from the public arena of JLR,- which may have been either initiated by :
i ) National to muzzle further revelations that might embarrass them, – particularly with regards to the donations and the preference of Chinese over Indians on the Lists, OR , …
ii ) The above being used by Slater and Lusk as an opportune time to not only garner the ‘ pity vote ‘ for JLR and win people to their cause in having Bridges replaced by Collins.
Whether or not it had some grounds in the former we will not know because neither National or the Dirty Politics crowd are going to admit to anything. And in both groups they have shown amply that both are not above using underhanded strategy’s to further their cause.
Any mention of Jason Ede and people know EXACTLY what the point is here.
And YOU WILL recall that JLR was also on close terms with both Slater and Lusk.
Remember Key and English were threatened.
Yep, Ed. That’s when they sent Mitchell to his offices, where he was forced to sleep, to rough him up.
Uh, it’s more likely he was here because his wife booted him out.
And you’re saying Mitchell went and roughed him up? Where do you get this shit from?
Robin Westenra has an interesting theory on his site.
@ JohnSelway
What we are saying is that Mark Mitchell ( ex Police force) knew the most efficient way to have someone sectioned, would have instant access to Police colleagues, and certainly the motive to carry the action out.
No need to talk of roughing anyone up here.
And the bonus for the Dirty Politics brigade is that it could be used in various ways to further their mission to ‘remove politicians ‘ ,… as Lusk so euphemistically calls it…
In this case Bridges ,.. to install Collins.
Its pretty black and white if one wants to approach it logically for motives.
The police can’t sanction people. Only a mental health team and medical professionals
@JohnSelway …
24 October 2018 at 10:55 pm
[ The police can’t sanction people. Only a mental health team and medical professionals ]
Stop hedging and beating around the bush. Police have to deal with the mentally ill all the time. And would have ready access to ‘mental health teams and medical professionals’ when needed.
Its a small leap from a Chinational party aligned officer/ex officer to contact via the Police Force those same ‘professionals’- who may also be Chinationally aligned.
So now your suggesting the admitting staff and the mental health team who assessed JLR are all in on it too
JohnSelway …
24 October 2018 at 11:08 pm
[ So now your suggesting the admitting staff and the mental health team who assessed JLR are all in on it too ]
Ultimately , it only takes the head of operations- not the whole team of ‘admitting staff’ and the bottle maker and the cook to do the job,
Don’t play the naive game nor the incredulous one either.
We are dealing with a very mall group here that , if needs be can make arbitrary decisions that the public will never know about via the privacy acts.
And that is where corruption lies. In the hidden spaces. The same spaces that JLR sought to expose. And to which he did. And that threatened more than just Simon Bridges.
Do you really think the Dirty Politics brigade wouldn’t have anticipated Chinationals next move???
You could be right, – but on the strength of the damning evidence JLR did supply about Chinationals racist attitudes and buying places on the List MP’s… we would have to give JLR the benefit of the doubt…
But that doesn’t stop Lusk and Slater angling it to their advantage no matter which way the cards fell.
And their goal is to get rid of Bridges and install Collins.
There are two parties to take into consideration who are involved here, – not just one.
The Chinational party , and the Dirty Politics brigade.
So convenient.
“There was some sort of incident at his electorate office or home on the weekend” Well he was taken from his electorate office, according to his friend who spoke to the media. If it was Mitchell, as Slater & others seem to think due to having been delegated to mind him, then the question is why.
Use of another purported breakdown is the obvious reason. There’s also another possibility. That hinges on who owns or has leased his electorate office. If it is the National Party, Ross lost the right to use it as soon as he resigned from National – unless he has a contract that allows usage on the basis of being an MP. So that would give Mitchell a valid reason to get Ross removed. If Ross resisted, Mitchell could have called the cops to force him out, and suggested they take him in for sectioning…
“His Party’s business” He resigned from National remember.
Are you saying they are like “Hotel California”??
@ Joe90
joe90 4.2.2.2.1.1
24 October 2018 at 8:45 pm
[ Yep, those issues and JLR’s long term mental health status are Parliament’s business. His political future is his party’s business. JLR’s current mental health status and whereabouts are his, and his family’s business, not your’s, mine or Bradbury’s… ]
Soooo,… by that logic we could say that a mentally ill person who broke into a house at 3 am and killed the occupants and who was let go by the mental health services to commit such an act doesn’t deserve any public interest…
OK, … that’s an extreme ( but all too common occurrence after Shipley disbanded the mental health institutions ) example but what you are implying is that those who hold public office as elected officials are not to be held up to public interest, public scrutiny and knowing who did what , which officials were involved and why – and also their political allegiances ,and finally …HOW did they achieve it .
Seems like a recipe for allowing any old piece of shitty corruption to slip through the floorboards, eh mate.
Whose side are you on , boy?
Announcing that Ed has a (mental health) condition which requires medication….
While guarding the discussion surrounding JLR and mental health conditions…
That’s Joe90.
A class act.
Quite, a low blow from JoeImmaturity28.
Who are you again?
@Joe90
Settle down and take your own advice, sonny.
For petes sakes.
Interesting Ed, thanks. Who facilitated JLR’s involuntary admission to hospital? His statements are damning and (true or not) highly damaging to the National party, and in particular to the leader of the opposition.
JLR probably hasn’t disappeared, but he has disappeared from general public view (good for him).
JLR probably isn’t silent, but he hasn’t personally made any further public statements (good for him).
IMO it’s important to keep recent statements by the former 7th-ranked National party MP in the public eye, so as to encourage open discussion about their validity [as Chris T@4.2.2.1 hopes, JLR’s statements could be the result of delusional thinking; Chris T might know something about that!], meaning and significance. Know Your Opposition!
https://medium.com/@TuskVentures/opposition-research-and-start-ups-know-your-opposition-know-yourself-know-everything-193e2175aee5
That is a telling quote.
A decent detective would start there.
Jimmy Dore is compulsive viewing.
As a commentator puts it.
More valuable reading.
‘The facts are stark and undeniable: It’s five minutes to midnight on climate change. Politicians who drag their feet are out of excuses, writes @martinwolf_ economics editor of @FinancialTimes’
https://www.ft.com/content/b1c35f36-d5fd-11e8-ab8e-6be0dcf18713
This probably is quite good stuff Ed, but you might want to be a little wary of the writer.
“Five minutes to midnight” was a recurring theme of Hitler’s speeches, according to Alistair Cooke, who attended a few in his role as a reporter.
To those on this site who seem to think that the Us, Europe and the West are on the side of the angels.
The European colonial expansion built the foundations of the modern world. We weren’t angels, we were people both good and bad.
Indeed. Human beings, not angels.
Yep ed. Imo white supremacists love colonisation because it covers up for their inadequacies past and present. Like many indigenous peoples I’ve come to the conclusion that most of the problems we have today are because of greedy self centred colonizers. They have fucked this world big time and ironically themselves too. Dumbarses.
We’re all colonisers one way or t’other marty.
Rubbish.
Oh really ?
The Genocide – Moriori Genocide
https://moriorigenocides.weebly.com/the-genocide.html
The Highland Clearances – Historic UK
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/The-Highland-Clearances/
The Highland Clearances – The Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/the-highland-clearances-1-465248
Last exit from the Kalahari: the slow genocide of the Bushmen/San …
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ecology-summits/article_267.jsp
You think the Maoris were the only ones subjected to colonization?
And don’t go bothering to blame it all on the English or white guilt either , mate. That’s not going to wash . It was common to all cultures to subjugate weaker ones.
Got any sympathy for the Tibetans in regards China as well , bud?
Or do you support the ChiNational party’s stance of doing deals with the CCP ?
And as far as the Maoris go ,- many tribes benefited by the material gains of Europeans – so they sided with them. A classic case is those Maori tribes who sided with the British to avenge age old tribal rivalry’s. There were those who eagerly fought against the Waikato Maoris for example ,- leading British troops right to their opponents back door.
Just like the Scots did to each other.
And BTW – my clan is Clann Gunn – the ‘MacGregor’s ‘ of the North . And they held their land for century’s by the sword until the Highland Clearances, mate..
Liberalism and revisionism .
Yuck.
Try actually reading you might understand the point. Or watch ed’s video.
But the white supremists will push back
Interesting the dumbarses that think all progress is euro. Lol of course that is what you’d expect and a good cover to continue their attempted domination of others. Sad that they even get a platform for their noise. But I suppose when you try to bully people you need a place to do that.
Progress these days is global. All cultures, all races.
Right now I look around the space I am in, people from China, Poland, Panama, Colombia, Trinidad, Australia, Canada, Chile, Korea, Sth Africa … just this one small operations room.
Look outwards man.
I know what you think and it is that thinking I oppose. You may dress up your views with long winded and pretty words but we both know the truth and have done for the 10 years we’ve opposed each other’s views on this subject.
“The European colonial expansion built the foundations of the modern world.”
That’s what you said.
To me that smacks of pillow smoothing. You claim heritage to all the progess but it is a made up narrative. It is accumulated human knowledge not based on dubious ethnicity.
You have broken the agreement twice and gone back on your word. Indigenous peoples are used to that so thanks for the repeated lesson.
Anyway on reflection. I can’t be bothered red. You think what you like and I will too. I’ll comment if I feel the need as will you. I’ll try not to get personal but our history has made it personal for me. I know you’re just who you are. I don’t think you’re a demon. I am sorry for all the deliberately hurtful things i have said to you. We’re gonna be dead soon enough. Peace.
Those who push the line white people = evil oppressors, brown people = angelic victims might stop to note that the fig leaf of political purity from which you think to hide … has rather wilted.
And they should stop typing on this white supremacist colonising internet thing they so despise.
Idi Amin – the Amazin’ Man song – YouTube
National’s leader Simon Bridges rings Dirty Politics … – NZ Herald
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12148042
Oh dear to all those who thought all the Dirty Politics wee darlings were not involved…
Slater and Lusk at it again.
[ Bridges’ call to Slater came after the Whale Oil blogger wrote a blog post promising retribution on the National Party for what he sees as its role in Ross’ deteriorating mental health and subsequent fall from grace … ]
So you think JLR’s issues are just bullshit cooked up by Slater and Lusk?
What are you actually implying?
Probably the opposite to what you have been trying to imply…
Pretty scary that yet another National Party leader is now in phone contact with Cameron Slater. Why on earth do they do it?
Lots of reasons.
But time for a music break.
AC/DC – Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap (from Live at River Plate …
In Bridges’ case he really needs to put a finger in the dyke. It’s too late to save himself, but if JLR keeps spilling the beans the whole party’s prospects will go out with the tide.
It says a lot about the intellectual heft of the party that took a donor to explain that to the folk in the middle of the fight. None of the fools and crooks in parliament were up to it, and neither was Goodfellow.
But donors don’t get wealthy by losing their rag, and they don’t stay wealthy by letting their political vehicles disappear in a shitfight between a few of their muppets.
Particularly if they are backed by a powerful govt like the CCP,..who give their blessing to their ex pats to act as moles in country’s of interest in the 5 eye group.
Something that the weak , craven ChiNational party would never admit to.
Yup. And in the meantime we have the Coalition – and in fact they’ve been working their tails off – probably harder than any NZ government in my lifetime. But we need thirty years of that, at least, for things to come right.
Whaleoil says watch eleven o’clock. whatever that means.
The end of history:
Do you one better… just WHAT does lurk out there in the woods ???
Bigfoot Chases Car in Colorado (ThinkerThunker) – YouTube
That painting up the top really is excellent work! The smiles on each Republican seem so genuine you’d think it was a photo. I presume the one with his back to us is Abe Lincoln, but I don’t recognise the one above Nixon – anyone know who it is?
Dude with the walrus moustache and beige vest? Teddy Roosevelt.
Is that Pootee lurking in the background behind him?
Here’s the story: http://time.com/5198306/andy-thomas-donald-trump-presidents-painting/
Theodore Roosevelt
Cool, thanks guys…