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Gower on Chopper Key

Written By: - Date published: 11:45 am, May 9th, 2011 - 27 comments
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Patrick Gower has more on the helicopter flight that John Key took in 2009 after opening a walkway that Key says was necessary because of mystery ‘security meetings’ that were supposedly arranged that afternoon. The flight cost us $2,000 when Key learned the helicopter was owned by the Velas.

So Key probably didn’t want to be linked to the Vela helicopter if news of the ride got out.

And it would have – Key was required to declare the helicopter ride as a “gift” in the MPs’ register of pecuniary interests.

All MPs are required to put gifts of $500 or more in there. For instance, in the same year Key declared “Bottled Water from Spring Fresh Limited”, and tickets to four All Blacks games.

These are in the Register of Pecuniary Interests 2010 – which requires the declaration of all assets and gifts received in the year to January 31, 2010.

* The Vela helicopter ride was on Friday December 11, 2009.
* The Velas issued an invoice on December 31.
* The invoice was not stamped as received by Key’s office but his staff have told me “it would have been received shortly after, given the public holidays around the time”.
* The deadline for the MP’s Register of Pecuniary interest is on January 31, 2010 – for all gifts over $500 received in the previous year.
* Key’s office stamped “approved” on March 1 2010.
* Key’s office asked Ministerial Services for “retrospective approval” on March 3. Invoice stamped “received” by Ministerial Services on March 3.
* It then went on to Ministerial Services “revenue and expenditure” section on March 8.

Key’s office told me: “Clearly, this office had received the invoice before the register of pecuniary interests was published, so the use of the helicopter was not treated as a gift.”

So using the taxpayer to pay for it meant Key avoided, in his words, “the risk it could infer some sort of benefit or favour and so my office paid for it”.

Let’s think about the official timeline, described above:
Who really believes that the Velas had some diligent little accountant churning out invoices on New Year’s Eve for a helicopter ride three weeks previous?
Why would it take two months to stamp an invoice? It’s hardly like the PM’s office is busy in January and February – Key and the rest of the ministers are on their extended holidays (with a taxpayer-funded entourage).

Isn’t it more likely that, some time in February, Key realised that the ride should have gone in the gifts register and he would look like a hypocrite taking a free ride from the Velas given they were part of National’s damning of Winston Peters. So, he called up the Velas and said ‘look, bill my office something for that flight, better backdate the invoice to last year’. And the Velas produced the invoice in late February, after which it was processed.

In case you haven’t seen it, here’s Bill English explaining, on behalf of Key, the meetings that Key supposedly would have been late to if the chopper pilot hadn’t happened to offer him a lift:

Hon PETE HODGSON (Labour—Dunedin North) to the Prime Minister: At what precise time and date were the “security related” meetings of 11 December 2009, that he referred to yesterday, diaried?

Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister) on behalf of the Prime Minister: To the best of the Prime Minister’s recollection, the meeting was arranged during the afternoon of 11 December 2009.

Hon Pete Hodgson: Can he confirm that when he referred to “security-related meetings” he was referring to issues of national security or international security; and if he was not referring to matters of national or international security, what was he referring to?

Hon BILL ENGLISH: Yes.

Hon Pete Hodgson: If he had travelled by car from Hamilton to Auckland, as previously arranged, would he have arrived on time for his security-related meetings?

Hon BILL ENGLISH: It has never been the Prime Minister’s practice to talk publicly about security matters, and he does not believe that it is in the public interest to do so now.

Hon Pete Hodgson: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Straightforwardly, the question was not about the meeting or the content of the meeting. The question has not been addressed. It was specifically about whether the Prime Minister would have arrived in time for the first of the security-related meetings, not what the security-related meeting was about.

Mr SPEAKER: I think the member makes a fair point. The question was whether, if a car had been used, the Prime Minister would have arrived on time. The question was not about what the security issues were. That deserves to be answered.

Hon BILL ENGLISH: It is not the custom of this Prime Minister, or any other, to give any indication of the time or whereabouts of meetings he has that are related to matters of national security, and he is not going to start doing so now.

Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I ask you to reflect on that answer, given the widespread publicity yesterday of the Prime Minister indicating he had a security meeting in Auckland on the day in question. That answer just cannot be true.

Mr SPEAKER: That last point is not the issue. The issue is simply that the question was asked not about the nature of the security meeting but simply whether the Prime Minister would have arrived in time for the meeting, whatever the meeting was, if a motor vehicle had been used. We still have not heard that answer. It may not be in the public interest to answer that; I am not sure. But we certainly have not heard an answer to that question.

Hon BILL ENGLISH: I simply repeat the answer to the question: It is not the custom of this Prime Minister, or previous Prime Ministers, to provide information that could compromise the security of that kind of meeting. It is not in the public interest to provide that information now.

Hon Trevor Mallard: Without discussing the tail on the end of my previous point of order, yesterday on TV3 the Prime Minister indicated he had—

Mr SPEAKER: No, no. The member is now debating the issue. I have done what I can to get the question answered. The Minister has indicated on behalf of the Prime Minister that he believes that it is not in the public interest to answer the question asked. I have to accept that. Members can make their judgment about that, and there are further supplementary questions available to dig into that. The Hon Pete Hodgson has that right.

Hon Pete Hodgson: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I apologise; I am not wishing to trifle in any way. I do not think I heard the Deputy Prime Minister say it was not in the national interest to answer the question. I do not think I heard him say that, at all.

Mr SPEAKER: He did at the end. The last past of his answer was that he considered it not to be in the public interest to answer that specific question.

Hon Clayton Cosgrove: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.

Mr SPEAKER: A point of order, the Hon Clayton Cosgrove. I am struggling to understand what it is, though.

Hon Clayton Cosgrove: I will enlighten you.

Mr SPEAKER: I will be enlightened.

Hon Clayton Cosgrove: In making your judgment you have extensive powers and you can ask the Minister—as you have twice, I think—to adhere to the Standing Orders and answer a question. I simply pose the question of how it is not in the national interest to confirm the Prime Minister’s arrival time.

Mr SPEAKER: The member is trying to debate the issue. I can assist members in getting answers to questions, but the Speaker cannot judge the quality of answers, nor can the Speaker insist for a question to be answered when a Minister asserts that something is not in the public interest. I cannot—and must not—judge that as Speaker. It is not my role to judge that. People can judge that themselves. They have heard the assertion being made that it is not in the public interest. People heard the question that was asked. They have heard the Speaker seek an answer to the question that was asked. People can make their own judgment about the assessment that it is not in the public interest to answer the question.

Hon Trevor Mallard: Why was it in the public interest yesterday for the Prime Minister to indicate the timing of the security meeting but it is not in the public interest for him to do the same today?

Hon BILL ENGLISH: Yesterday the Prime Minister gave a general indication of the type of meeting and no further details. It is not his plan—any more than it has been the custom of any other Prime Minister—to release details on those matters.

Hon Trevor Mallard: Would the Prime Minister have arrived on time to the security meeting he outlined yesterday if he had taken a car?

Hon BILL ENGLISH: have already answered that question three times.

Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You have advised us to use tight and direct questions, and you have indicated previously that you thought the Minister had not answered the question.

Mr SPEAKER: What I think on the matter is not relevant. If the Minister is going to claim that it is not in the public interest to answer the question, which was a very tight question, then the Minister should not just say he has already answered the question but should tell the House that he believes that it is not in the public interest to answer the question.

Hon BILL ENGLISH: I believe that it is not in the public interest to provide those details.

27 comments on “Gower on Chopper Key ”

  1. Lanthanide 1

    Seemed a lot of faffing about in those questions. Ultimately I think it looks like Trevor was nit-picking over things he knew he wouldn’t get an answer to no matter how he asked it.
     

    So using the taxpayer to pay for it meant Key avoided, in his words, “the risk it could infer some sort of benefit or favour and so my office paid for it”.

     
    Wouldn’t paying for the ride in itself be a benefit or favour to the Velas? From the description we have of the ride, it was taken up on a whim by Key. Any way you shake it, Key has given $2,000 to the Velas that they otherwise wouldn’t have had. If the chopper was going to go to Auckland anyway, then they’ve now been re-imbursed for it. If the chopper wasn’t going to Auckland, it was either sitting idle, or going somewhere else (and the diversion to Auckland was not an inconvenience), so they’ve still pocketed $2,000 that they otherwise wouldn’t have got.
     
    Sounds like a great business plan: surround the PM with transportation options he can’t refuse.

    • Zorr 1.1

      Excepting that “That Nice Man Mr Key” didn’t pay for it, we “The Taxpayer” did!

      In any other case where a bill went unpaid for months I would expect that one morning I would wake up to find a stranger in my chair and a kidney on sale on TradeMe. The Vela’s get access to Key for however long he was in their helicopter – access to the PM of your nation of residence, priceless. So at the bargain basement price of $2000 they get direct private contact with our man of the hour. Only later do they find out that it ended up costing them a total of $0 as we reimbursed them for their largesse.

      When you have to explain something, you’re losing. With the amount of explaining coming out of National lately it is very obvious who is losing currently.

    • ianmac 1.2

      And given the short notice for this “security meeting” what happened to the BMW waiting to take Key and driver and 3-4 security wallahs?

  2. joe bloggs 2

    smacks of desperation to me.

    Six months out from an election, staring oblivion in the face and all Labour can do is hand out yet more of this venal and nitpicking crap???

    Ditch the ‘Target Key’ policy and tell us Labour’s policies for rescuing New Zealand.

    • The Voice of Reason 2.1

      It’s all part of the softening up process, Joe. Spend the phoney war highlighting Key’s personal slackness, vanity, fondness for spending taxpayer dosh and his Government’s lack of a plan, then move away from personality politics and present alternative policies in the election campaign proper. Brand Key is suffering from the death of a thousand cuts; little by little his political lifeblood is draining away and when the time is right, about a month out from election day, Labour will give NZ voters a clear alternative direction.

      It must be dawning on you that Gower et al in the MSM are starting to go off Smile and Wave big time. They’ve kicked Goff around for two and a half years, and he’s still standing, so they’ve moved on to an easier target.

    • lprent 2.2

      We’d really like the government to explain their policies rescuing New Zealand first. At present it largely seems to consist of how to keep Brownlee in pies, Dipton in Wellington, Joyce in interesting industry supports, and John Key surrounded by ego supports.

      Perhaps you’d care to explain their ‘policies’ now that tax-cuts have proven to be ineffective at stimulating the economy (but very good at boosting government debt).

  3. BLiP 3

    Hon BILL ENGLISH: I believe that it is not in the public Prime Minster’s interest to provide those details.

  4. Irascible 4

    Next question to Key: Did the Vela’s donate a sum of or exceeding $2000.00 to the National Party or National Party trust fund in the months immediately after receiving the retrospective payment for helicopter services provided to him?”
    The taxpayer would then be funding the NACT party through the rotating blades of Key’s favourite commuting vehicle.

  5. bbfloyd 5

    the point of this exercise is to highlight the fact that florence won’t answer the questions. this, of course, gives rise to the perception of guilt, which then allows the opposition to go on the offensive publicly.

    the questioning tactics are a common method of establishing a basis for attack, or defense. courtrooms all over witness this every day. when you consider who wrote the debating rules for parlaiment, why would anyone be surprised by the structure of the exchanges?

    i suspect, considering how many “nitpicking” question sessions there have been in parlaiment in the last few months, that the labour party has built up an awful lot of ammunition to throw come the main event..

    • joe bloggs 5.1

      and given all of the “nitpicking” question times there’ve been in parliament in the past couple of months, Labour’s traction has been zip, zero, nada.

      In fact if all of the major polls are anything to go by, Labour has lost ground… so much for the ammunition – damp squib more like.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        so much for the ammunition – damp squib more like.

        NACT Ministers are falling like flies.

        Good enough for now.

        Let’s see who the Labour barrage collects next, shall we?

    • ianmac 5.2

      And remember the number of times other MPs have to defend Key while he is very busy with photo-ops.

  6. infused 6

    That makes Labour look quite stupid in my eyes.

  7. bbfloyd 7

    I’ll let phil know you said that. it’ll make his day..

  8. Chris 8

    This is it is it ? Labours big election plan ? attack Key all the time ? Good grief.
    Are there no wise heads here or in the Labour Party ?
    Really Labour deserve to loose if this is the best they can do.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=196243

    • Carol 8.1

      LOL. So the MSM journos are using the same line now as the astroturfers. Limited imaginations and critique, and conveniently forgetting the NO ASSET SALES campaign, the Cunliffe policies on jobs, finances, economy, working for children etc.

    • Jilly Bee 8.2

      LOL – Oh Chris – take you mind back to 2008 and what did you lot do apart from constantly attacking Helen Clark – all the bloody time. It actually worked didn’t it.

      • PeteG 8.2.1

        That’s not what worked. Clark’s time was already up, as was Labour’s. They were lucky a Brash scare in 2005 gave them a third term reprieve.

  9. Chris 9

    What do you mean my lot ? If Labour want to win this election stop the petty crap and get on with the real issues. This has nothing to do with 2008 or whatever or who did what when – christ ! – helicoptor rides, painting of Govt. buildings, petrol used by MPs, security details for JK when on holiday – this is the game plan ? this is just pure BS so stop deluding youselves if you think any different.

  10. Chris 10

    Sure keep doing it but it won’t win an election.

  11. Toby Keith 11

    The biggest scandel you can come up with is that he took a helicopter???

    [lprent: You have been fire and forget trolling under various names over the months without participating in the discussions. Read the policy on trolls. I have tucked you into auto moderation for my personal attention. If you cannot learn to not troll over the next week or two, I will add you to auto spam as being too anti social to be allowed to comment here. ]

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  • Speech to LGNZ Conference
    Kia ora koutou katoa and thank-you for the invitation to speak to you all today. I would like to acknowledge Local Government New Zealand President Stuart Crosby, and Chief Executive, Susan Freeman-Greene, Te Maruata Chair, Bonita Bigham, and our host, Mayor John Leggett. I also acknowledge all the elected members ...
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  • Government to provide support for water reforms, jobs and growth
    The Government today announced a $2.5 billion package to support local government transition through the reforms to New Zealand’s drinking water, wastewater and stormwater services. The package will also stimulate local economies while creating jobs and unlocking infrastructure for housing. “New Zealand’s water systems are facing a significant crisis and ...
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  • Government Initiatives Contribute to Fall in Benefit Numbers
    Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the release of the June quarter Benefit Statistics which show a continuing fall in the number of people receiving a Main Benefit. “This Government’s plan to increase work focused support for Jobseekers is paying off,” Carmel Sepuloni said. “All up Benefit numbers ...
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  • Tourism support package continues rollout
    Mental wellbeing support is being rolled out to five South Island communities most affected by the absence of international tourists. Tourism Minister Stuart Nash today announced details of how tourism operators and communities can access the help announced in May as part of the government’s $200 million Tourism Communities: Support, ...
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