Havoc interviews Hager

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1. Lukas 1

   7 July 2008 at 7:50 pm

   I guess its a matter of who you trust more…someone who profited from emails and documents obtained through dubious sources or the man who will be our next PM
2. illuminatedtiger 2

   7 July 2008 at 8:00 pm

   I’m an IT man myself and while my main area is in software engineering I know a thing or two about networking and security. Hacking into an email system is no small feat and while still possible time will be against you – in fact under modern encryption it would take you so long that by the time you are in the information will be of no value to you. The hacking thing is just a convenient excuse really to cover their own incompetence.
3. Lew 3

   7 July 2008 at 8:12 pm

   IT: Yeah, it’s bogus. Quite apart from whether the system itself is secure (an unknown) the whole issue would be moot if National were serious about protecting their email, as they should have been if they believed the Hollow Men emails were stolen by a 1337 hax0r. If they were they’d have deployed GPG/PGP and laughed in the face of hax0ring attempts that aren’t run by distributed.net.

   Since they’re still leaking, one or more of the following is possible:

   1. They don’t have competent technical security advice.

   2. They don’t genuinely care about security and their current handwaving is for theatrical only.

   3. They don’t believe that a hax0r stole the emails but won’t admit publicly to a mole.

   4. They did implement such measures but have now found they didn’t have the desired effect.

   National are relying on peoples’ tendency to glaze over when computer security is discussed to prevent the issue from getting traction. Fair enough, too, it’ll work.

   L
4. Robinsod 4

   7 July 2008 at 8:20 pm

   Lew – I hacked your email. I’m sorry. You can hack mine if it will make you feel better – I used to have a subscription to M&F Governor edition before it disappeared – you could read the back issues… mmmm… warmed over insider information written with a wry wink to its readership… mmmm…

   What happened to the M & F anyway…?
5. Draco TB 5

   7 July 2008 at 8:49 pm

   Lew:
   5. All of the above.

   Lukas:
   I trust people who speak truth with solid evidence. I don’t trust people who seem to way up if the truth is convenient before answering.
6. Murray 6

   7 July 2008 at 10:05 pm

   [lprent: Bugger – I was looking forward to banning him myself. But I got beaten to the punch. Murray if you’re listening – you really need to listen more and spend less time being a real pain.]
7. Steve Pierson 7

   7 July 2008 at 11:05 pm

   journalists have a duty to protect confidential sources. Leaks form an important part of democracy, letting us have access to information that politicians would prefer us not to know. If leakers couldn’t be confident that their identities would be kept secret. they wouldn’t leak.

   And, Murray, is that all that concerns you about this story? Where Nicky got the info, not what it is? And if you don’t think the information is important then why do you care that it has come out?
8. J 8

   7 July 2008 at 11:18 pm

   “journalists have a duty to protect confidential sources. Leaks form an important part of democracy, letting us have access to information that politicians would prefer us not to know.”

   Too true I believe and it is also a right protected by the courts.
9. travellerev 9

   8 July 2008 at 5:59 am

   -I guess its a matter of who you trust more someone who profited from emails and documents obtained through dubious sources or the man who will be our next PM-

   Lucas are you for real?

   Do you actually think that a book like the Hollow men in a country of four million souls makes a big profit.
   Trust me a big seller in even a country like Holland of 17 million souls can barely give a writer a living half way decent.

   For people like Nicky Hager this is truly labour of love.

   He actually cares what happens to the people who live here.

   And what are you saying: that we have to trust our new PM blindly even though everything points to him being a lying, secretive scoundrel just because people are stupid enough to vote for him?
10. Bryan Spondre 10

    8 July 2008 at 7:55 am

    Steve: “journalists have a duty to protect confidential sources. Leaks form an important part of democracy, letting us have access to information that politicians would prefer us not to know. If leakers couldn’t be confident that their identities would be kept secret. they wouldn’t leak.”

    Absolutely agree, while I think Hager and his right wing mate Wishart are both given to seeing conspiracies where non exist, they have the duty to protect their sources.

    My favourite conspiracy theory is a deep cover watermelon-Green mole ( or perhaps that should be moll) within either the National Party or the Parliament information services team.
11. lprent 11

    8 July 2008 at 9:27 am

    National are relying on peoples’ tendency to glaze over when computer security is discussed to prevent the issue from getting traction. Fair enough, too, it’ll work.

    Unlikely. If they go too much further down that line then they are likely to get the geeks at parliament involved. After all, it is their security systems that they are saying are flawed.

    I consider that scenario (hacked) to be so unlikely as to be ludicrous. Besides the sources from both the hollow men and this latest rounds of leaks look too wide for a technical leak. Similarly for the same reasons it is unlikely to be a minion.

    It is far more likely to be disaffected senior staffer or politician.

    Either way it is likely to cause issues for the C/T campaign strategy.
12. Lew 12

    8 July 2008 at 9:39 am

    Lynn: Hell hath no fury like a sysadmin scorned. Are you suggesting the Parliamentary Service geeks would go BOFH on the Nats?

    L
13. roger nome 13

    8 July 2008 at 10:15 am

    “I guess its a matter of who you trust more someone who profited from emails and documents obtained through dubious sources or the man who will be our next PM”

    Lukas you numpty, you didn’t listen to the interview did you?

    If you had you might have been more inclined to type…

    I guess its a matter of who you trust more the police who conducted an investigation for a year and a half and found no possibility of hacking, or the man who uses a PR company synonymous with racist smear-campaign politics.
14. Lew 14

    8 July 2008 at 10:19 am

    But Nome, everyone know the police are Labour’s lickspittle stooges – Ian Wishart said so, and the IPCA inquiry result into the Broad case confirms it!

    L
15. roger nome 15

    8 July 2008 at 10:30 am

    hehe, yeah, oh to have Helen KKKlarKKK’s ABSOLUTE POWER. Hey is it really true that she uses her jedi (or should that be syth lord?) mind-trick power on the parliamentary services IT staff to gain access to Key’s emails – or do you think Wishart is having us on again?

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