James Shaw: a stocktake on climate change action in Aotearoa – livestream announcement 11am

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1. Peter ChCh 1

   15 December 2017 at 1:51 pm

   Bit hypocritical when the Greens spent an average if over $10,000 each on air travel in the 3 months ending September 30, 2017. Way disproportinate to other parties.
   https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/mps-expenses/members-expense-disclosure-from-1-jul

   Maybe the current Greens should try leading by example. Afterall, Rod Donald and Fitzsimmons lead the Greens to a better position by doing that the current Green crop has.
   • The Fairy Godmother 1.1

     15 December 2017 at 3:14 pm

     Looks like a bit of concern trolling here. The Greens have fewer mps than National and Labour so I guess their mps have a lot more ground to cover. I am pleased they are getting out and about and doing their job of representing their voters.
     • Peter ChCh 1.1.1

       15 December 2017 at 3:19 pm

       No, not trolling at all. I just consider that the Greens under Donald and Fitzsimmons had great integrity and lived by their beliefs. That is not obvious with the Greens today.

       Do you consider all opposing views to be trolling? I hope not, otherwise this site would be no more than an echo chamber rather than a forum for ideas.
       • DoublePlusGood 1.1.1.1

         15 December 2017 at 3:31 pm

         We will happily call out instances of obvious concern trolling. The Green MPs have to do air travel as part of their job, and minimise that travel as best they can. You’re trying to make something out of nothing by faux concern.
       • Ad 1.1.1.2

         15 December 2017 at 3:43 pm

         Genter is the most travel-resolute of the Greens.

         What are her travel expenses like?
       • greywarshark 1.1.1.3

         15 December 2017 at 5:19 pm

         Peter Chch
         Your ideas seem to have been aired before, so it seems you are the little Sir Echo.
         (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QacxZBaL3w
       • cleangreen 1.1.1.4

         16 December 2017 at 8:18 am

         True Peter,

         But when I was a Green Party member then in 1999 to 2002 I recall that both Jeanette and Rod never had the ‘global entanglements’ that purvey the world with meetings everywhere over climate change and economic summits as we then had few.

         So I think that it is fair to say that you and ‘The fairy godmother’ both have valid points, and thanks for the feedback here.
       • Robert Guyton 1.1.1.5

         16 December 2017 at 8:50 am

         Fitzsimons and Donald didn’t fly to Wellington?
         Do tell!
     • esoteric pineapples 1.1.2

       15 December 2017 at 5:07 pm

       “Concern trolling” – I like that! It’s amazing how many people attack others and then you think ‘hang on a minute’ does this person have any concern at all about the person/people/race/religion/etc that they appear to be batting for and it’s usually pretty obvious that the answer to that is no. They are actually using them to try and score a point or two.
       • cleangreen 1.1.2.1

         16 December 2017 at 8:27 am

         Yes very valid point esoteric pineapples,

         James and Alwyn are subjects that purvey the folly of just trolling for arguments with others with very little contrabution to give to the subject.

         That probably is the purpose of their trolling to divert us from the central issue we are discussing and adding our input for this new Government to consider?

         Yes “Concern trolling” is apt for describing their folly.
       • The Fairy Godmother 1.1.2.2

         16 December 2017 at 11:43 am

         Concern trolling is a term I discovered on one of my favourite facebook pages an American site “the Christian Left”. They have to contend with rwnj “christians ” who want to pray for women who have had abortions and LGTG people and are also “concerned” that the website doesn’t follow their rwnj agenda and supports social justice. All such concern trolls get an instant ban.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     15 December 2017 at 3:46 pm

     Typical RWNJ attempt at diversion.

     DNFTT
   • JC 1.3

     15 December 2017 at 6:25 pm

     P C Bit out of context to the Post. That understand was the release of findings from the witheld report!

     How about this example of the “current Green Crop”

     https://twitter.com/MichaelFieldNZ/status/933546283523911680
2. roy 2

   15 December 2017 at 3:11 pm

   And if we had a functional rail system, maybe they would, genius.
   • Peter ChCh 2.1

     15 December 2017 at 3:20 pm

     Ee have a brilliant rail system in Auckland and Wellington. My bet is Shaw woukd not even know how to buy a ticket. Genius.

     [this is why you’ve been called a concern troll. Your bets are worthless. If you have a criticism to make based on evidence, maybe you could make that, otherwise you look like someone with a grudge – weka]
     • DoublePlusGood 2.1.1

       15 December 2017 at 3:32 pm

       Shaw can walk to work, you dingus.

       And Auckland and Wellington do not have brilliant rail systems, they have functional, partial rail systems.
       • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1

         15 December 2017 at 3:50 pm

         And we certainly don’t have a functional national passenger rail system. If we did I think we can be assured that the Green MPs would be on it.

         Auckland to Wellington in electric quiet and comfort, stops in between to meet constituents and also time to do some work? Hell yeah.
         • weka 2.1.1.1.1

           15 December 2017 at 4:09 pm

           “Auckland to Wellington in electric quiet and comfort, stops in between to meet constituents and also time to do some work? Hell yeah.”

           That would be awesome. To move from flights to trains we’re going to have to shift culturally as well around work and time.
3. Ad 3

   15 December 2017 at 3:45 pm

   Was the stocktake useful?

   Did he hint how he will achieve his single 100-day objective?
   • weka 3.1

     15 December 2017 at 3:47 pm

     What was his single 100-day objective?
     • Tracey 3.1.1

       15 December 2017 at 4:02 pm

       He must have more than one cos one is to prop up Labour and NZF to navigate the first 100 day Legislation. Another is that poverty is now a major focus with legislation going through under urgency.
     • Ad 3.1.2

       15 December 2017 at 10:06 pm

       Jesus Weka look it up.
       Climate change ffs.
       • weka 3.1.2.1

         15 December 2017 at 10:12 pm

         Lol, his 100-day objective is climate change? Well duh.

         Given you said above that he had a single 100-day objective I thought you might be able to share with others what that is. No worries if you can’t.
         • Ad 3.1.2.1.1

           16 December 2017 at 12:22 am

           Look it up honey I know you are capable.

           I’ve done whole posts on it.

           I reminded everyone with a post listing them all just yesterday.

           So stop being lazy and look them up.

           If as a well professed Green supporter you can’t remember the one thing the Greens promised to achieve as part of the 100 day plan you may as well give up commenting altogether.

           [Drop the loaded “honey” references “sweetie”] – Bill
           • weka 3.1.2.1.1.1

             16 December 2017 at 9:30 am

             Thing is Ad, you were the one asking someone else to do you homework for you,

             Was the stocktake useful?

             Did he hint how he will achieve his single 100-day objective?

             I’m not that interested in the 100 day thing so haven’t been following it, and I certainly don’t carry around GP policy in my head. You are interested in it, and it’s reasonable to assume you could explain in a couple of sentences what you meant, esp given you have written posts about it. Everyone knows the Greens made gains for govt with CC but you are talking about something specific, yet you either can’t explain what you meant or are unwilling to.

             I’m not here to score points or be an expert, I’m here because I’m interested in politics. In that sense if someone else can share knowledge that everyone can learn from, that’s a good thing. Disappointing that you just want to have a go instead of increasing understanding for everyone.
   • cleangreen 3.2

     16 December 2017 at 8:53 am

     Ed, on 3; you asked;
     Was the stocktake useful?
     Did he hint how he will achieve his single 100-day objective?

     Answer; – yes and no; Regarding ways to reverse climate change; – use rail not road freight transport as it is well proven globally to create far less CO2 emissions than road freight and passenger services,

     I Refer to the new Government report on “value of rail in nz.”

     We on the East Coast; HB/Gisborne are now still waiting for labour to came and re-open our rail service ational damaged by a reckless Steven Joyce when he forced Kiwirial to leave out funding for rail mainaintence, as this lack of funding that caused the washouts on our rail line on 25th March 2012, ( almost six years ago)

     http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1302/S00183/kiwirail-admits-lack-of-maintenance-led-to-wash-out.htm

     Most important was that the rail line from Wairoa to Gisborne was intentionally added by the first labour Govenment in 1937-42 to develop Gisborne economy and weallbeing, by the Savage Labour government.

     So Labour!!!!!!!!, in Michael Joseph Savage’s memory please come and restore our rail service so Gisborne can again become a safe and thriving community.

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10804652

     https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/napier-gisborne-rail-line-be-mothballed

     10480 people signed the petion to save our rail and national ignored us all so will you now assist us by restoring our rail?
4. dv 4

   15 December 2017 at 6:34 pm

   Well they have released the CC report sat on by the Natz.
   That is a big plus.
   • tracey 4.1

     15 December 2017 at 7:39 pm

     Sat on since May 17. Kiwirail report sat on. Spending commitments left out of PREFU but Labour and Greens apparently cannot be trusted with an economy
     • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1

       15 December 2017 at 7:52 pm

       History shows us, quite clearly, that it is National that cannot be trusted with the economy. They always spend far too much, don’t tax enough and give far too much of our wealth away to rich people.
       • tracey 4.1.1.1

         15 December 2017 at 8:37 pm

         It is Alice through the Looking Glass my friend. Black is white and white is black in En Zed
     • Incognito 4.1.2

       16 December 2017 at 12:04 am

       All part of the delaying tactics: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-easiest-way-to-dismiss-good-science-demand-sound-science/

       Delay is a time-tested strategy. “Gridlock is the greatest friend a global warming skeptic has …

       (HT to Andre https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07-12-2017/#comment-1423472).
   • Draco T Bastard 4.2

     15 December 2017 at 7:51 pm

     Yep, was just reading the Stuff article on it:

     A report withheld by the previous Government shows New Zealand does not have a coordinated plan to address the effects of climate change.

     It found there was “limited evidence” that New Zealand had been proactively adapting to the threat of climate change, and many sectors had been trying to adapt on their own within a mismatched framework of policies and legislation.

     New Zealand had a lot of information about how the climate was changing, but “unlike many countries,” did not have a coordinated plan. The report’s authors “found no evidence that climate change risks to New Zealand have been reduced by the actions taken by central government.”

     Bold mine because that point is actually really important. They were obviously trying to hide the fact that they were failing to do their job.
     • dv 4.2.1

       15 December 2017 at 8:04 pm

       It all vey telling.

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