Key tells untruth about Waitangi – TV3 “dishonest” story coming up?

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1. Anthony Blomfield 1

   4 February 2014 at 6:19 pm

   You suck Keys lol
   Then again why don’t we make a pin Board of Politians which make the high level of standards one would expect?

   I’ll name one: David Lange
   • burt 1.1

     4 February 2014 at 9:56 pm

     lol
     • Jenny 1.1.1

       5 February 2014 at 6:33 am

       Norman Kirk
     • Jenny 1.1.2

       5 February 2014 at 7:20 am

       “He is the Queen’s representative here in New Zealand, he’s our head of state, and he deserves to be treated with respect when he goes actually to Waitangi to effectively be the Crown’s representative as part of the signing of the treaty…”
       John Key

       John Key ridiculous outrage, at even the hint, of an imagined slight of the Queen’s representative.

       John Key’s display of Royal sucking up, is in direct contradiction to his plans to get rid of the flag.

       On one hand John Key wants to preserve the whole creaking edifice of class privilege embodied in the notion of royalty the Queen and our own appointed (unelected, undemocratic) head of state.

       On the other he wants to get rid of the flag because it has a union jack in the corner.

       This contradiction is cleared up when we understand that John Key wants to preserve the culture of exploitation, and privilege that springs from it. But wants to get rid of any symbolic link to the old dying British Empire that might harm our chances of maximising sucking up to the world’s new ruling elites.

       In this endeavour John Key is echoing the ethos expounded by Side Show Bob. You want me to rule You like a King!

       “Because you need me, Springfield. Your guilty conscience may move you to vote Democratic, but deep down you long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king”
       Side Show Bob as voiced by Kelsey Crammer

       http://www.cabaret-berlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2F02.jpg
   • Chooky 1.2

     5 February 2014 at 8:56 am

     John Key looks more and more like Pinocchio

     …… a character who is prone to telling lies and fabricating stories for various reasons……. Pinocchio has been called an icon of modern culture, and one of the most reimagined characters in the pantheon of children’s literature.

     …Aspects of Pinocchio’s character vary depending on the interpretation, although basic aspects such as his creation as a puppet by Geppetto and the size of his nose changing due to his lies or stress remain present across the various formats.

     …… nose that becomes longer when he is under stress, especially while lying.. In the original tale, Pinocchio exhibits obnoxious, bratty, and selfish traits.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocchio
2. karol 2

   4 February 2014 at 6:40 pm

   John key – showing he’s actually Gower’s mentor: following the making shit up school of jonolism.
   • jbc 2.1

     5 February 2014 at 1:10 am

     Isn’t the correct term ‘churnalism’.

     Picking shit up from one news outlet and uncritically repeating it. Churnalism stories echo around the world for months, sometimes years.
3. Colonial Viper 3

   4 February 2014 at 6:43 pm

   How the hell is someone who is ex-commander of the SAS going to be “effectively jostled”? By a Republican Guard division?

   Key you lying cretin. And that’s dishonouring the people of Crete.
   • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 3.1

     4 February 2014 at 10:59 pm

     Calling Key a lying cretin shouldn’t offend the people of Crete at all – (perhaps they might cheer you on) – they are Cretans, after all. 🙂
     • McFlock 3.1.1

       4 February 2014 at 11:11 pm

       Hmmm – thank goodness for iodised table salt
     • Murray Olsen 3.1.2

       6 February 2014 at 12:36 am

       It’s not often that I wish to praise a Labour candidate, but in this case I tip my hat to CV:
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox
   • Tracey 3.2

     5 February 2014 at 8:12 am

     Yes, but by day’s end even Jerry was back helping out the Pm by saying there was a scuffle nearby which was undignified to the office, but not him personally… Puppet?
4. bad12 4

   4 February 2014 at 6:48 pm

   Yes in a complete turn-around from what is the normal modus operendi of Slippery the Prime Minister He decided today to use someone else’s Lies instead of His own,

   Both types,lies that is, Slippery’s and the knee-jerk media circus’s take little intellectual rigor to unravel and embarrassingly for the PM it was Govenor General Jerry Mataparae that blew the whistle on the current slip of the bullshitting tongue so it’s obvious that the current Lie was an unplanned off the cuff one,

   Jerry Mataparae, probably the one public figure holding high public office in this country with the widest streak of honesty in His nature made light of the minor ructions at Waitangi today and listening to Him being interviewed on RadioNZ National this afternoon i get the sense that Jerry fully understands that any yelling which may have appeared to be directed at Him personally wasn’t that at all, simply a matter of He being Govenor General and thus standing in place of the Queen,

   Another pathetic display from Slippery the PM…
   • mickysavage 4.1

     4 February 2014 at 7:39 pm

     I think you are right and once Mateparae said what had really happened Key had to back down. After all who is he to disagree with the Governor General?
5. Draco T Bastard 5

   4 February 2014 at 6:49 pm

   he’s our head of state,

   No Mr Key, he isn’t.
   • Colonial Viper 5.1

     4 February 2014 at 6:53 pm

     Yeah our head of state is either one Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, or one Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgue.
6. McFlock 6

   4 February 2014 at 6:58 pm

   When your entire campaign rests on a good public face (rather than policy or even performance), it is a stupid move to piss off your portrait artist before the picture is done.

   Basically, his learned habit of deflecting the blame onto others overruled his normal sucking-up. And I hope it fucks him royally.
7. North 7

   4 February 2014 at 7:03 pm

   TV3 News – Key saying the Governor-General was “effectively” jostled. What the hell does “effectively……” mean ? Either he was jostled or he wasn’t. The Governor General himself says he wasn’t.

   First question is this: is the Governer-General lying or is John Key lying ? One of them must be. Make sense ? One of them MUST be.

   Second question: John Key, are you saying the Governor General lied ?

   When do we get to hear Potty Gower, or anyone, ask John Key if the Governor-General lied when he twittered that he hadn’t been jostled ?

   ShonKey Python’s really shitting in his own nest !
   • freedom 7.1

     4 February 2014 at 7:23 pm

     We can be confident our GG has the necessary skills , our PM though . . not so sure 🙂
   • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 7.2

     4 February 2014 at 8:03 pm

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11196624
     • karol 7.2.1

       4 February 2014 at 8:08 pm

       Yes, noted the late addition of the GG saying his role had been disrespected but not him…. this point came to him after……?
8. fender 8

   4 February 2014 at 7:23 pm

   The previous Governer-General was disrespected by Paul Henry in the presence of Key and he did nothing but laugh…
   • idlegus 8.1

     4 February 2014 at 7:33 pm

     yep, good remembering http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAEvkNtJ6A
     • QoT 8.1.1

       4 February 2014 at 9:29 pm

       Good work!
   • Tracey 8.2

     5 February 2014 at 8:14 am

     that’s cos the previous one wasnt in Key’s pocket… Jerry to the PM’s rescue by day’s end.
9. felix 9

   4 February 2014 at 9:36 pm

   Ahem:

   Prime Minister John Key says media reports are to blame for his claim that “protesters or radicals” had been “effectively jostling” the governor-general at Waitangi today.

   “The prime minister made his comments based on media reports and direct assertions from media, that the governor-general had been jostled on the marae,” a spokeswoman said in a statement.

   So has anyone asked Key to produce these alleged reports? Published by Key’s arse most likely.
   • QoT 9.1

     4 February 2014 at 10:00 pm

     It’s totally plausible that a journo in that press stand-up said “What do you have to say about the fact the Governor General was jostled on his way onto the marae?” and Key ran with it. Much like every time Gower badgers Cunliffe for an answer on a non-issue.

     But if that were the case this time, someone from a rival network would have already released their uncut footage of that happening. If they’ve got any sense.
     • McFlock 9.1.1

       4 February 2014 at 10:06 pm

       it looked more like a set statement on Stuff, but an on-the-fly thing is possible
   • burt 9.2

     4 February 2014 at 10:02 pm

     felix

     How fucking pathetic are you? You know as well as anyone that the honourable minister is to taken on his word. Next Key will be telling us to ‘move on’ and you’ll be too dim to remember how much you accepted that from Labour for years and you’ll cry foul. You’re just like me not liking this politically expedient BS we call leadership – but you’ve only got one eye!
     • felix 9.2.1

       5 February 2014 at 4:32 am

       Yeah burt. That’s why you’re always condemning National, and why I never have a bad word to say about Labour.

       Idiot t 🙄
10. Anne 10

    4 February 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Key has been angling for a show of ‘violence’ at Waitangi for several days now. He’s been inciting Maori activists with provocative statements. Another diversionary tactic methinks.
    • Roflcopter 10.1

      4 February 2014 at 10:46 pm

      Oh fuck off, it happens every year irrespective of what side is in power…. they all do it.
      • McFlock 10.1.1

        4 February 2014 at 10:52 pm

        normally they wait for the confrontations to occur, rather than inventing it
      • Tracey 10.1.2

        5 February 2014 at 8:15 am

        Can you explain why this year Key is playing the possibility up when in previous years he has played it down?
    • Plan B 10.2

      5 February 2014 at 11:30 am

      Exactly right, It may happen every year, but every year is not an election year and JK has been talking it up a lot. Law and Order must be next on his list of distractions
11. Hami Shearlie 11

    4 February 2014 at 10:41 pm

    This received fairly brief coverage on TV3 – this was a TOTAL fabrication, yet the mention it got was fleeting. Whereas David Cunliffe omitting a few words from his speech (yet with complete information printed on the Labour Party website) and the whole media pack are taking their cues from John Key who calls Cunliffe “tricky”! If David Cunliffe is “tricky” for missing out a few words, what is John Key for completely inventing a story about happenings at Waitangi involving Jerry Mataparae?
    • McFlock 11.1

      4 February 2014 at 10:44 pm

      that’s the handicap of the left.

      But fuck it, we’ll fight anyway 🙂
12. Will@Welly 12

    4 February 2014 at 11:32 pm

    M.J. – you’ve lowered your standards. This isn’t “news”. This is old slippery up to his usual tricks.
    Expect an enlarged entourage to attend, keeping Key “covered” from anything that might threaten his intelligence or demeanor. In other words, everyone should kowtow to him at Waitangi.
13. Psycho Milt 13

    5 February 2014 at 6:41 am

    The prime minister made his comments based on media reports and direct assertions from media, that the governor-general had been jostled on the marae,” a spokeswoman said in a statement.

    Oh, yes? Which reports were these, then? Should be easy enough to find them, you’d think? Or, when she says “media reports and direct assertions from media,” does she actually mean he was just repeating for national news broadcasts some malicious gossip he’d heard?
14. amirite 14

    5 February 2014 at 6:44 am

    Now Winston has jumped to rescue the honour of his damsel in distress, undoubtedly expecting a cushy position in a possible right wing government and a love-in with ShonKey:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11196765

    Also Shane Jones crapping accordingly on people’s democratic right to protest and effectively calling the protesters crazy. The man is a disgrace. Labour needs a major purge from its rotten, neoliberal deadwood.

    And of course, the only one who gets what this is all about and who comes out of this with pure class is Metiria.

    I have serious second thoughts about voting for Labour this year as it seems nothing much has changed there, and maybe for the first time in my life I’m going to switch my vote to the Greens.
    • bad12 14.1

      5 February 2014 at 7:31 am

      If points were being awarded for ‘points’ made yesterday i would split them equally between Metiria and Jerry Mataparae,(who was last heard commenting that He was ‘enjoying Waitangi, the sights, sounds, and, chatting with people’…
      • amirite 14.1.1

        5 February 2014 at 7:35 am

        +1
        Kudos to the GG for saying ‘I think it would be terrible if we were to start to try to suppress people’s ability to talk out. ” which is something that most politicians of the right don’t get.
        • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1

          5 February 2014 at 9:56 am

          And some on the ‘Left’…
    • Tombstone 14.2

      5 February 2014 at 9:51 am

      I’m feeling much the same way. I’ve always voted Labour but the Greens, much to my own surprise are resonating with me far more so than Cunliffe. I want to see a real fire in the belly of Labour. The sort of stuff that you would see in war time because after all this is war – class war and so much now hinges on the outcome of this election. The Greens to my mind are punching not only well above their weight but are making Labour look kinda lame to be quite honest. I like Cunliffe but to me he comes across as just another intellectual with no teeth and every time he barks Key just takes another chunk out of his hide. God help us if National get in for a third term is all I can say. Labour really need to step up their game otherwise Key is gonna walk to victory with I suspect Winston in tow. Don’t even get me started on Winston …. !
15. Tinfoilhat 15

    5 February 2014 at 7:25 am

    Pathetic rubbish
    • Pasupial 15.1

      5 February 2014 at 7:39 am

      Tfh

      Could you expand that sentence fragment? I assume you mean that John Key is talking “Pathetic rubbish”.
      • David H 15.1.1

        5 February 2014 at 12:08 pm

        NO Pasupial, that’s TFH showing his writing prowess.
16. Not a PS Staffer 16

    5 February 2014 at 7:41 am

    There will be the unusual tut tut tutting from a wide range people in response to some noisy shouting and some pushing at Waitangi today.
    Nobody will be shot or injured.
    In many countries around the world hundreds or thousands are killed in historic disputes. 1,000 in the Basque conflict, 3,000 in the Ulster “troubles”.

    Looking at the list of deprivations suffered by Maori it is to our collective credit that the understandable tensions are vented vocally and not violently.
    So, let us ignore the news/media who will go on and on and on about some shouting and shoving. Ignore the politicians who will tut tut tut. We have a phenomenally great record of peaceful protest.
17. Pasupial 17

    5 February 2014 at 7:47 am

    From what I’ve seen, this is mainly based on another Taurua vs Harawira standoff.

    RNZ this year cites “Waitangi kaumatua (elder) Kingi Taurua,”, last year it was; “The chair of the marae and Ani Taurua’s brother-in-law, Kingi Taurua”. For those who recall last year’s 3way procession of the PM – it was Ani Taurua who had been lined up to supplant Harawira’s role.

    This NZH clip is interesting, as KT seems to be saying that TH is both; trespassed from, and; free to come onto, Te Tii marae:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=140671
    • Tracey 17.1

      5 February 2014 at 8:18 am

      Maybe the answer is for no one to escort him this year. He’s a big boy, with two working legs.
      • Pasupial 17.1.1

        5 February 2014 at 9:06 am

        T

        That would be unlikely to fly with Titewhai Harawira, as the escorting wasn’t originally part of the Te Tii powhiri tikanga; she just bowled up one year and grabbed the then PMs (Lange?) hand and has been doing it ever since. She’s really not one to be told what to do; which can be both a good thing (activism including the Hikoi with Whina Cooper & Eva Rikard), and bad (Whare Paia Maori/ Carrington abuse).
      • amirite 17.1.2

        5 February 2014 at 9:18 am

        His 135 bodyguards would disagree with that.
18. Tom Gould 18

    5 February 2014 at 8:20 am

    Key says US minimum wage is 28% of their median wage … turns out it’s 40% … according to the NBR story behind the paywall. He has been very loose with figures for years but the chooks love him so they drop into ‘repeater’ mode. If he said it, then it must be true, because he is really rich and funny and likes us aspirational media folks, right?
    • Tracey 18.1

      5 February 2014 at 8:28 am

      Another one for BLiP

      Funny how we mortals can find the truth so quickly but the media can’t.

      Key’s argument is essentially if we are not as bad as someone else we must be good.
    • freedom 18.2

      5 February 2014 at 8:32 am

      forget about median average, why will they not publicise the mode average, that awkwardly telling number, the number the largest number of kiwis survive on, which by all accounts is closer to 40K than 60k
    • Hanswurst 18.3

      5 February 2014 at 8:14 pm

      “… because he is really rich and funny and likes us aspirational media folks, right?”

      John Key is not funny. This is another idea that is repeated mindlessly in most media, when the actual expression they are looking for is “embarrassing dickhead”.

      On Paul Henry’s show the other night, when he was making his comments about the set and how “the Titanic” was up behind the table, you could more or less hear his having thought about hs lines and rehearsed how he was going to say them in his head the night before. It was obvious it was supposed to be funny, but I’ll be buggered if I know what was supposed to be funny about it, exactly.
19. Puckish Rogue 19

    5 February 2014 at 8:29 am

    I’ll say one thing good about Helen Clark that john Key should learn from and thats to ignore the muppets at Waitangi
    • Pasupial 19.1

      5 February 2014 at 8:48 am

      PR

      Clark didn’t ignore Waitangi, but it was one of the areas where her premiership came up short regarding engagement with Māori (along with the Seabed & Foreshore theft):

      “In 1998 then opposition leader Helen Clark was brought to tears when Titewhai Harawira challenged a male elder for allowing Clark, a Pākehā, to speak on the marae when Māori women could not. In 2004, as prime minister, Clark was jostled, as was Prime Minister John Key in 2009. The ongoing protests have meant that politicians have often avoided attending Waitangi Day at Waitangi, with official government observances happening instead at the governor general’s residence in Wellington.” http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/nga-ropu-tautohetohe-maori-protest-movements/page-2

      “[P]revious Prime Minister Helen Clark did not attend in 2000. The official celebrations were shifted from Waitangi to Wellington in 2001. Some Māori felt that this was an insult to them and to the Treaty. In 2003 and 2004, the anniversary was again officially commemorated at the Treaty house at Waitangi.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitangi_day#Controversy_and_protest
      • Puckish Rogue 19.1.1

        5 February 2014 at 9:18 am

        She was still right in what she did though
        • Pasupial 19.1.1.1

          5 February 2014 at 9:56 am

          PR

          What she did was to fail to show up one year, then for the next two; stage a hollow ceremony in Wellington. After that, it’s all been at Te Tii (with many informal observances around Aoteroa and rest of the world of course).

          Speaking of muppets; who has got their hand shoved up your ass today?
20. marty mars 20

    5 February 2014 at 9:03 am

    key knows that his constituents ‘know’ that there are plenty of Māori troublemakers who like to rock the boat and disrespect authority. key panders and plays to their beliefs with a view to securing their continued support at the next election. key is going to use anything and everything to try to maintain the power. Māori are fodder for key and his supporters but this food will bite back!!!

    key didn’t scratch his way to the top layer of the pile by chance – he is a devious, unscrupulous snake and his slimeiness is underestimated at our peril. key wants something to happen to confirm his views and his votes – i wonder if anything will actually happen and who will make it happen and who will benefit from it happening.
    • miravox 20.1

      5 February 2014 at 9:54 am

      +1.
      It’s also a good chance for him to take down Hone Harawira, by association.

      I was impressed with this measured interview with Hone about the meaning of Waitangi.
      • Pasupial 20.1.1

        5 February 2014 at 10:14 am

        Miravox

        Thanks for the link – nice to see an extended interview where HH’s views haven’t been hatch/edited (like a fight from a rugby game).

        +2 for MM too. Although; “key wants something to happen to confirm his views”, does rather imply that the Smiling Assassin has any views that he maintains for longer than they are personally advantageous.
21. Enough is Enough 21

    5 February 2014 at 9:33 am

    It is going to be great today when he gets a bucket of tar tipped over him.

    He has been asking for it for years.
22. captain hook 22

    5 February 2014 at 11:24 am

    donkeyote is full of sh*t. Time for New Zealandrs to wake up.

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