More gossip from the right

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1. milo 1

   9 November 2007 at 8:15 am

   Heh. You might not like Bob Clarkson, but he has played a major role in creating infrastructure for that community. We do actually need people to build things and take risks. Maybe a bit of credit is due, rather just an ideological burp?
2. all_your_base 2

   9 November 2007 at 8:38 am

   Clarkson really isn’t the image the Nats want front and centre. He was in the Herald recently reiterating his denier’s stance on climate change.
3. rjs131 3

   9 November 2007 at 9:05 am

   Bob Clarkson certainly did better than any labour candidate has ever done in that seat. But at least he has actually acheived something in his life and spent some of his own money for the community’s good

   Whose the current MP for Mangere?
4. Sam Dixon 4

   9 November 2007 at 9:23 am

   Will Burqha Bob now being going back to Islam?
5. Margaret 5

   9 November 2007 at 9:30 am

   I would be surprised if National gave Sam a high enough list placing to get into Parliament in 2008. It would mean a by-election for the vacant council seat, and after years of effort by C&R they have only just broken in to what was a Labour stronghold. They would have to know they had a pretty low chance of winning a by-election there, surely?
6. Insolent Prick 6

   9 November 2007 at 9:32 am

   It’s hardly “rough” on Bob Clarkson. He announced at least six months ago that he wouldn’t stand again in the seat. If that’s the quality of your rumour-mongering, then go back to school.

   You’ve displayed typical pinko arrogance with your assertion that National can’t win any PI vote. It may surprise you, but not all brown people aspire to remain poor. For thirty years Labour has taken the PI vote for granted on the back of the dawn raids in the 1970s. Obviously, Labour hasn’t learned the lessons of taking the Maori vote for granted: seventy years of ignoring Maori led to the creation of the Maori Party. If Labour continues to treat PI people with disrespect then they will lose PI vote.

   I’d hardly be crowing about Labour’s efforts to represent PI people: one is facing corruption charges, and the other was passed over for a cabinet post so that Labour could keep Parekura, Rick Barker, Damien O’Connor, Judith Tizard, Dover Samuels, Harry Duynhoven, and Mita Ririnui in the Executive. Winnie Laban outperforms all of them by a country mile, yet so disrespectful of the PI community are you that you can’t even offer her a Cabinet seat.
7. illuminatedtiger 7

   9 November 2007 at 12:01 pm

   Pacific people already have a high smoking rate, how is Jonathan Coleman as health spokesperson going to fix any of that with the connections he has 😉 .
8. TomS 8

   9 November 2007 at 12:47 pm

   Insolent Prick, speaking for Pacific People since 9.32am.
9. roger nome 9

   9 November 2007 at 1:05 pm

   yeah – isn’t it funny how the guy who scored right next to Mussolini on the political compass test is now trying to tell us that he has his finger on the pulse of the PI electorate?

   National’s in for a big shock in next year’s election – it thinks that low to middle income people are too stupid to see through its $10 tax cut carrot, and that there aren’t a great many upper middle class people that view NZ as a community rather than a collection of selfish individuals constantly at war with each other in some Hobsian “state of nature” scenario. NZ is slowly drifting back to its social-democratic consensus, which its people never really abandoned.
10. gobsmacked 10

    9 November 2007 at 1:10 pm

    If you want to see people being “disrespectful” towards Pacific Islanders, review the recent Kiwiblog discussions on the plight of the grieving Muliaga family. You’ll find every nasty PI stereotype you’ve ever heard. Not from a tiny minority of commenters either, but the sound of the Kiwiblog crowd, in their natural home.

    Of course there were no enlightened moderators back then to challenge the bigots. I’m sure it would all be so different now.
11. Insolent Prick 11

    9 November 2007 at 2:28 pm

    So when were you last in Samoa, Tonga, or Fiji, Woger? Come to think of it, have you ever taken the slow boat to Tokelau?

    Didn’t think so.
12. Matthew Pilott 12

    9 November 2007 at 2:33 pm

    IP, if by taking for granted you mean that Labour’s policies are far better for the Pacific Island and Maori community then you’re spot on. Since they (by and large) vote for Labour either you’re saying a) Labour’s policies are better or b) they’re too dumb to pick the best party to vote for. So, IP, which is it?

    Oh and need I remind you that over 50% of the Maori roll voted Labour in the Party vote and Maori Party for their electorate vote – not exactly dumb, you’d even say they’re better at working with MMP that the tories are! Just becasue the Maori Party was created, as you point out, doesn’t mean Labour has lost their vote…
13. roger nome 13

    9 November 2007 at 2:35 pm

    IP – I spent a good part of my childhood in Upper Hutt, as did my Samoan cousins.

    Tell me what connection does biggoted fascist such as yourself have to any PI community?
14. Insolent Prick 14

    9 November 2007 at 3:25 pm

    You are a parody of the Left, Woger/Phillip John. “I know the Pacific Island community very well, because I once lived in Upper Hutt.”
15. insider 15

    9 November 2007 at 4:14 pm

    If he’d said Wainui or Petone he might have some cred but Upper Hutt is a haven for skinheads…
16. thomas 16

    9 November 2007 at 10:34 pm

    http://www.national.org.nz/PolicyAreas.aspx?S=55
    says it all really
17. Robinsod (moderator) 17

    9 November 2007 at 11:01 pm

    IP – I am a pacific islander (second gen, mother is Tongan). You should juct fuck off with your hack wedge politics. Roger has the right idea. Stop wasting your time posting amongst your betters. Get back to work. Loser.
18. Insolent Prick 18

    10 November 2007 at 2:05 am

    No you aren’t, Robinsod. Stop telling lies to advance your own stupid arguments.

    Thomas, you might have more credibility if you had linked to a National front bench MP who isn’t married to an eminent Samoan businessman. Judith Collins has spent a large amount of time in the Pacific.

    Labour hasn’t put the Pacific Island affairs portfolio in Cabinet for years. Don McKinnon held the post under National, as Deputy Prime Minister.
19. Robinsod (moderator) 19

    10 November 2007 at 7:05 am

    IP – again you call me a liar and yet you have no proof. That’s what I like about you bro you don’t let facts get in the way of your arguments. What a good tory boy.
20. Tane 20

    10 November 2007 at 8:29 am

    IP – I think the point is that according to their website National doesn’t even have any Pacific policy, and hasn’t for some time. Token?
21. thomas 21

    10 November 2007 at 11:49 am

    Tane In one
22. Policy Parrot 22

    14 November 2007 at 10:15 pm

    token? – its all token except crash, bash & slash.

    Crash the economy
    Bash the low-income earners
    Slash taxes – along with health & welfare cuts.

    It’s such a pity when you are passionate about something but can’t say what you really want to. And then complain about “attempts to limit freedom of speech by the Government”, yet they don’t actually make full use of their freedom of speech to articulate their ideas!

    Hell, why would we want them to shut up?
23. Nih 23

    14 November 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Beautifully put PP.
24. Barnsley Bill 24

    14 November 2007 at 10:23 pm

    So Bob Clarkson can barely feed himself? When did this dreadful state of affairs begin for Bob, was it after he became a self made multi millionaire or perhaps when he funded and built a stadium for the Bay of Plenty. Silly little socialist, anyway keep playing while you can because Lynn Kelvin Prentice will probably be removing your sand pit fairly soon.
25. Phil 25

    5 December 2007 at 6:10 pm

    Looking back at the archives, I can’t help but throwing in the odd comment or two…

    There was an interesting analysis of Canadian politics a few years ago, and the way in which the (minority) French Canadian’s, as a cultural/social/economic group, vote.

    They have not aligned themselves to one political party or ‘wing’. Instead, they tend to vote en-masse for which ever of the two major parties offers the them the most. So, despite being somewhere around 20% of the population, about 40% of election policy is specifically targeted to them.

    Contrast this to the African American vote in the US, or the Maori/PI vote here; they’ve traditionally been left of centre.

    So, how does this affect political parties, in a resource/time constrained election?
    National know that getting Maori/PI voters to ‘cross the floor’ is going to to take a lot of time and effort; time and effort that then cannot be spent taking the fight to Labour over the centre ground. Labour, on the other hand, see’s the vote as already being locked up, so why would they put resources into that area when, again, they can be more effectively spent targeting voters more likely to swing?

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