Open mike 01/03/2025

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63 comments on “Open mike 01/03/2025 ”

  1. bwaghorn 1

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360597372/covid-inquiry-bullying-claims-four-resignations-concerns-acknowledged

    The witch hunt is not going well I suspect those resigning from the role aren't finding the negative outcomes required by act and nzf.

  2. Kay 2

    Good riddance. I was one of those patient advocates who crossed paths with her a few years back, and can vouch that everything negative said about her is very much true.

    She literally has blood on her hands.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360597881/pharmac-ceo-sarah-fitt-resigns-after-months-pressure-stuff-understands

    • tWig 2.1

      Can I ask why? Was she rude, or just adamant that the cost-return case for the treatment you were advocating forvwas too weak to meet Pharmac's funding requirements?

      • Kay 2.1.1

        A brand switch situation where people were seriously harmed, including some deaths. Having read through 1000s of pages of OIAs, they knew full well in advance what was likely to happen, AND that it's potentially dangerous to switch brands of that particular medication, but hey, they'd save money (they didn't).In the end they had to reverse their decision. Fitt's attitude towards us was absolutely appalling, and she will not be missed.

        Supposedly they'd learned their lesson, but the recent scandal with HRT patches was nearly identical to their behaviour with us. They've had to reverse that too.

  3. tWig 3

    Fireworks as Zelenskyy-Trump meeting breaks off. Zelenskyy 'disrespected the US' and 'not ready for peace,' Trump says.

    ‘You know, it’s not about me. He hates Ukrainians. He thinks that we are not a nation. He.. shared this with your team also, but with all the Europeans in media, officially…, he always said that there is no such country, such nation, such language and such life like Ukrainian.

    No, he really doesn’t respect all the Ukrainians, and he wants to destroy us.’

    Brave man, standing up for his nation.

    • tWig 3.1

      Mind you, Trump was pissed off that Zelenskyy used the public press fest to put his case, not just doing the handshakey-smiles stuff, according to yhe RNZ news just now.

    • Ad 3.2

      +100

      We can recall that Trump's former campaign manager Manafort worked for the previous Ukraine President and jailed, then deposed and escaped to Russia.

      We can recall those US and other activists jailed for conspiracies to alter the US election.

      Trump loathes Zelenskyy over a decade.

      But Starmer and Macron aren't forming an alternative deal.

    • SPC 3.3

      The full quote.

      Zelenskyy repeatedly warned that any deal without security guarantees would not be enough.

      When we speak about security guarantees, when the Europeans are ready for contingents, they need USA backstop. If there will not be United States [troops], we will not have any contingent.

      He explained why:

      Putin will never stop and will go further and further. He hates us.

      You know, it’s not about me. He hates Ukrainians. He thinks that we are not a nation. He thinks and he shared this with, I think maybe with your team also, I don’t know, but with all the Europeans in media, officially and not, he always said that there is no such country, such nation, such language and such life like Ukrainian.

      No, he really doesn’t respect all the Ukrainians, and he wants to destroy us

    • Bearded Git 3.4

      14 European leaders have come out in support of Zelensky taking on Trump so far including Pedro Sanchez in Spain early….I'll give you one guess who hasn't….Starmer.

      • Anne 3.4.1

        Yep. Nothing from Starmer – as yet. I asked yesterday on OM how long the softly, softly approach would last. 24 hrs?

        What a disgraceful episode of tyrannical bullying from a deranged president and his bunch of thugs. And to claim Zelensky was the one who was starting WW3… words fail me.

        • SPC 3.4.1.1

          Starmer wants a FTA with the US and some sort of tech co-operation as well (thus their agreement on low regulation AI).

          • Bearded Git 3.4.1.1.1

            So that means he should pander to the lying thugs Trump/Vance?

            Do me a favour.

            • SPC 3.4.1.1.1.1

              What, keep you ignorant of his motivations?

              His reasoning would be that UK support for European security requires the UK to maintain its economic strength.

              Well see what happens in London this weekend.

        • Morrissey 3.4.1.2

          Zelensky wasn't the one who tried to "start WW3": he was coming to peace terms with Russia in the Istanbul talks a few weeks after the special military operation began. It was the USA's envoy Boris Johnson who flew there to sabotage the peace process.

          • tWig 3.4.1.2.1

            Fake news, Morrisey.

            The story behind 2022's secret Ukraine-Russia peace negotiations

            "People don’t tend to focus on one thing. And say it was Boris Johnson who came there and just waited, the Ukrainians from doing a deal with Putin. That is just naive, right? This is just too simplistic. Zelenskyy was in charge. He had options that he was looking at.

            And the failure of the West to sign on to this would be treaty. It was certainly one important issue. The fact that now Kyiv was not taken, and he could be receiving military support from the West was another important issue. The outrage following the discovery of the atrocities the Russians committed at Bucha helped Zelenskyy rally public support for the continuation of war. And it was a pretty, I would say the deal that the Russians were trying to arrive at certainly was not a very pretty deal for Ukraine.

            So I don’t think that Sam and I are blaming Zelenskyy for it. For taking the options that he did in the end."

          • tWig 3.4.1.2.2

            Fake news, Morrisey. Putin was bogged down and facing a fightback he never expected or prepared for.

            This NPR interview backgrounds Putin's and Ukraine's positions at the time of those talks.

            "People don't tend to focus on one thing. And say it was Boris Johnson who came there and just waited, the Ukrainians from doing a deal with Putin. That is just naive, right? This is just too simplistic. Zelenskyy was in charge. He had options that he was looking at.

            And the failure of the West to sign on to this would be treaty. It was certainly one important issue. The fact that now Kyiv was not taken, and he could be receiving military support from the West was another important issue. The outrage following the discovery of the atrocities the Russians committed at Bucha helped Zelenskyy rally public support for the continuation of war. And it was a pretty, I would say the deal that the Russians were trying to arrive at certainly was not a very pretty deal for Ukraine. [including weird demands to remove Ukraine language usage, cultural genocide].

            So I don't think that Sam and I are blaming Zelenskyy… for taking the options that he did in the end."

            • Morrissey 3.4.1.2.2.1

              "Zelenskyy was in charge…"

              That's the most untrue statement I've seen all day. What was Boris Johnson sent there for if Zelenskyy was in charge?

    • Anne 3.5

      It seems to be the consensus from a number of expert sources in the US, UK and European countries that the Vance/Trump outburst was a premeditated ambush to bully Zelensky out of office and replace him with someone more amenable to them.

      Judging from some comments I've seen, Zelensky was "tense" when he arrived for the meeting which suggests he knew what was coming. My fervent congratulations to him for standing up to the thugs.

    • Tony Veitch 3.6

      YouTube is awash with critical reaction to the bullies Trump and Vance – I could link to any one of a couple of dozen videos – but this one will do: Rick Wilson of the Lincoln Project – 6.40 mins long.

      To my mind, Zelenskyy is now the leader of the free world! Trump is an utter disgrace!

      • Morrissey 3.6.1

        Trump and Vance are indeed disgraceful, but as Sangar Enjeti points out, they're correct in this case. Zelensky can be seen foolishly claiming that Russia will eventually invade the United States, and that there is no crisis in providing Ukrainian men for the frontline. But the most eloquent commentary on this disaster is purely visual: the Ukrainian ambassador burying her face in her hands as she listens to Zelensky digging his own grave.

        • bwaghorn 3.6.1.1

          Take your bullshit and fuck off morresy, he was set and ambushed by a couple of gutless slugs.

          • Morrissey 3.6.1.1.1

            I agree with you about the character of Trump and Vance. That doesn't change the fact that Zelensky made a fatal mistake in Istanbul during the spring of 2022 when he allowed himself to be bullied out of making peace with Russia.

            Do you think that Washington's envoy of war, Boris Johnson, was any less thuggish than Trump when he threatened Zelensky on that occasion?

            • bwaghorn 3.6.1.1.1.1

              Havnt seen it but if it was Johnson we'll he needs chucking in the same hole as trump and putin

              • Morrissey

                And Biden, who sent Johnson on his mission of death for hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.

        • weka 3.6.1.2

          Zelensky didn't claim Russia would invade the US, he implied that in the future the US would have the same difficulties in being at war. As far as I can tell he also didn't say there was no crisis in the Ukraine military.

          • weka 3.6.1.2.1

            Zelensky wasn't he one raising his voice and talking over the others, nor did he engage in aggressive body language.

          • Phillip ure 3.6.1.2.2

            I heard him admit to recruitment issues…the bully boys were shouting over him at the time ..

            And while the mafia style stand-over/extortion over Ukraine's minerals is a new low …I have noted here before that american mining crews on the ground in Ukraine would provide a security presence for Ukraine…

            Another interesting aspect of this is that it is my understanding that the areas with the most minerals..are currently occupied by the invaders .

            I see trump treating Ukraine as a pawn in the carve-up of the countries minerals between him and Putin…

            (Putin will withdraw to a point agreed by him and trump…and trump will be able to claim that this is a victory…from his peace plan..)

            This is the grand plan here…

        • tWig 3.6.1.3

          Your youtuber is a personal friend of Vance.

    • bwaghorn 3.7

      Unbelievable the little bit I could stomach watching, Zelenski can hold his head high , those clowns need a smack in the head.

  4. tWig 4

    China’s defence ministry warns Taiwan ‘we will get you, sooner or later’

    '…a China expert behind the Sinocism newsletter, said on Friday that Beijing’s language towards Taiwan “appears to be getting harsher”. The readout of this year’s Taiwan affairs work conference, held earlier this week, did not include a goal to “promote the peaceful development of cross-strait relations”, which had been part of the 2023 and 2024 readouts.'

    • Mike the Lefty 4.1

      What's the bet that Beijing will do like Putin and imagine Taipe has threatened them and invade in retaliation?

      • Ad 4.1.1

        That would first require US military bases to evacuate in Guam, Korea, Japan, Hawaii, Australia, and across the Pacific.

      • Morrissey 4.1.2

        Maybe it would be a good idea for China Taipei to cease allowing the United States to use it as a pawn in Washington’s program of endless provocation of China. Stopping those massive U.S.-run "war games" would be a smart move.

  5. PsyclingLeft.Always 5

    NAct1's project castles are either the sky variant..or a sand base combination. Either way, their wish list is not good for the our NZ Environment or the great majority of NZ People.

    A lot of their planned idiocy…might yet not be possible. I hope.

    Government struggles with lack of visibility of big projects ahead of Budget 2025

    It has over $140 billion of projects being planned or built, and while cost pressures are put at just one billion, Treasury is "not sure" about the figure.

    "Data quality remains an ongoing concern," Treasury's latest available report to the Finance and Associate Finance Ministers said.

    It did not fact-check what agencies told it but "some of the data submitted to us appears to be out of date", it said.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/543244/government-struggles-with-lack-of-visibility-of-big-projects-ahead-of-budget-2025

  6. PsyclingLeft.Always 6

    WTAF…..

    Hyundai in running to build two new Cook Strait ferries

    Lol. I wonder what Nicky No Boats thoughts are? A penny for them : )

    The giant Korean ship builder Hyundai could be back in the running to build two new Cook Strait ferries, following a meeting between the company and Rail Minister Winston Peters in Seoul on Friday.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/543377/hyundai-in-running-to-build-two-new-cook-strait-ferries

    I sincerely hope there are Ructions : )

    • aj 6.1

      Peter's says they will be smaller, but will they be cheaper? Lots of laughs to come I think.

      Hyundai probably have a couple of keels already laid down, easy to knock a few meters off bow to stern measurements to fit Peter's claims

      😆

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 6.1.1

        Interesting times to come for the coalition : ) Surely a gift for our Opposition parties? Surely ?

    • SPC 6.2

      A nice move, China and South Korea are the ones making these ferries – the Swedes bought some from China recently.

      The words of disquiet about Chinese Cook Islands play showing disrespect for Enzed were quickly given extra meaning.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 6.2.1

        Winston doing what Winston does best. (apart from looking after Winston : )

  7. Adrian 7

    If Winston gets his way it’s because no other boat builder trusts Willis and National and have added in pretty high contingencies like all money paid up front. If that’s the case how long can Nikki No-Boats last before transitioning to Nikki No-Jobs?

    • Barfly 7.1

      "If that’s the case how long can Nikki No-Boats last before transitioning to Nikki No-Jobs?"

      One election mate just one…..

    • PsyclingLeft.Always 7.2

      how long can Nikki No-Boats last before transitioning to Nikki No-Jobs?

      I'm sure someone is looking at the T shirt possibilities already : )

    • KJT 7.3

      Already "Nikki no jobs"..

      Construction industry, civil service, Teacher aides, Doctors, Scientists. Wellington coffee shops.

      The only real difference between the Coalition of Cockups, and Trump 2025, is the COC'up are more discreet about it.

    • AB 8.1

      From your link "It’s unclear what the consequences of the current backlash will be."

      If this movement is at all effective, rather than just petering out like so many do, my pick of what the consequences will be:

      • The oligarchs move to get new legislation that criminalises the calling of boycotts as an infringement of 'business freedom'
      • Activists who have called for boycotts are targeted, arrested, fired from their jobs, impoverished, etc.
      • Regulations are weakened so the big players find it easier to eliminate smaller or local competition through bullying, sabotage, bribery, collusion and price-fixing

      In short, the self-styled champions of freedom, free speech and free markets actually intend to destroy all three. These people are not even proper capitalists, they're fascist gangsters.

  8. joe90 9

    The empire of wealth.

    .

    Chinese crypto entrepreneur Justin Sun’s legal troubles seem to be fading away. In March 2023, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) charged him with manipulating the market. After Trump was elected, he dumped $30 million into the President’s World Liberty Financial crypto scheme. Now a federal judge has granted him a stay in the SEC’s investigation.

    […]

    Trump’s family has been cooking the WLF crypto scheme for a long time, but it finally bore fruit after his election and thanks, in no small part, to a big push from Sun. The way WLF worked, its founders would retain 70 percent of the project’s “governance” tokens and would only get a big payout if the token hit a certain threshold of investment.

    Around the same time he bought the banana for $6.2 million, Sun “invested” $30 million into WLF. It pushed the coin into the threshold it needed to release cash into Trump’s pocket and netted the President around $18 million. Sun came on to WLF as an advisor. Then he dumped another $45 million into the company. According to Bloomberg, that means Trump has received around $56 million in total “fees” from Sun related to WLF.

    https://gizmodo.com/sec-drops-charges-against-chinese-billionaire-after-he-pumps-30-million-into-trumps-crypto-scheme-2000569966

  9. mpledger 10

    The thing is a lot of countries signed up to nuclear anti-proliferation treaties allowing USA to keep their nuclear arms and them not to develop nuclear arms under the basis that the USA was a trustworthy ally. If the USA is not going to be that trustworthy ally then a lot of countries are going to start developing nuclear weapons. But the more countries that have these weapons the more likely there is to be an accident or stupid aggression. Trump is just stupid.

  10. Sanctuary 11

    After today it is clear "the west" no longer exists. It is the strongman and the fascists against those who seek to defend decency in Europe, Canada, and the ANZAC nations.

    Rearmament must now be the priority. Everything else can wait.

    • Morrissey 11.1

      You mean like they "defended decency" over the last seventeen months during the genocide in Gaza, the Occupied West Bank, and Lebanon?

      What did "Europe, Canada, and the ANZAC nations" do in that time that comes even close to the heroism and morality of tiny Yemen?

      • tWig 11.1.1

        Here I agree with you, Morrisey, although somone's pulling the Houthis strings too. Proxy wars between Shiite and Sunni factions in the middle east.

        • Morrissey 11.1.1.1

          Who's "pulling the Houthis' strings"?

          Is it those all-powerful Moscow masterminds, the same evil-doers that have been running Trump as a Manchurian candidate for the last twenty years?

  11. weka 12

    utter fucking chaos. I'm starting to think this isn't even an attempt at authoritarianism, but just a bunch of toddlers burning down the playground.

    Stonekettle briefly on disgruntled, fired US Federal employees with lots of sensitive information being recruited by Russia and China.

    https://bsky.app/profile/stonekettle.bsky.social/post/3ljbkyejm722i