Open mike 08/10/2024

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  1. KJT 1

    Took National less than a year to crash NZ. Even the UK version took a decade.

    "Back on track"?

    'Economy is cratering': Call for 1.5 percent official cash rate cut by Christmas | RNZ News

    • Cricklewood 1.1

      Back on track? Yep quite delibrate.

      Stratergy looks like this, Crash the economy, force the RB to drastically cut interest rates, lift immigration, slow the Kainga Ora house build program and just like that the housing market turns values rise and the sugar hit turns the economy in time for the next election.

      Theyre pushing through all the unpopular shit this year as well so its forgotten by the time the next election comes around.

      • KJT 1.1.1

        Of course.

      • Bearded Git 1.1.2

        "slow the Kainga Ora house building programme"…..this has come to a total screeching halt. And all to pay for tax cuts mostly for the better off.

        Scandalous

      • koina 1.1.3

        All the rights wings policies are aimed at pleasing right wing voters.

        Appealing to right wing prejudice,ignorance, greed and power always wins.

        All the right wing policies are aimed at smashing left wing voters.

        None of the right wing Govts policies are unpopular with their voter base.

        Smashing Maori, Beneficiaries, Greens, Feminists, Gays wins votes for the right.

        The right wing have never been voted out after just one term ever.

        So the right wing will win election 2026.

        Not till 2029 when the swinging voters will project their problems on

        to the sitting Govt will the left have a chance to win back power.

        • aj 1.1.3.1

          Cheer up everybody

          crying

        • tc 1.1.3.2

          Agreed except 2026 it will be possible to remove them.

          Who knows if the opposition can get its collective act together, there will be more than enough material to work with

          Health, education, infrastructure, public housing etc plus the fast tracking free for all.

          The ongoing wealth transfer picks up pace.

        • Grey Area 1.1.3.3

          The right wing have never been voted out after just one term ever.

          We've also never had a corrupt, incompetent, cruel government do this much damage in such a short time either. It's unprecedented in NZ so the point about one-term governments to me is moot.

          • Belladonna 1.1.3.3.1

            We've also never had a corrupt, incompetent, cruel government do this much damage in such a short time either.

            Try the 4th Labour government…..

            • koina 1.1.3.3.1.1

              The 4th Labour Government was the best Government in NZ History.

              • Belladonna

                I somehow think that you'll find few to agree with you on TS.

              • Mike the Lefty

                The best at voter betrayal certainly, a record the present government seems keen to reclaim.

                • koina

                  The 4th Labour Gov't followed essentially 30 years of National Gov't.

                  By 1984 The Economy like Britains was forty years behind the times.

                  Rogernomics was neccessary but it was the fact that the pain was shared unequally.
                  Like the following Richardson mother of all budgets 1991 the pain was loaded on to the poor.
                  It took the Ardern/Robertson apology/budget 20 years later
                  to make a small effort to heal the pain.
                  Crucially the new right wing Govt has acted quickly to reintroduce the under class with massive cuts to the poor.
                  Under the ’84 Govt NZ's Victorian social policies were updated to the late 20th century.

                  White people were made to admit the evils of the White invasion.

                  Women and Gays were allowed to come out from the jack boot
                  of red neck gnorance and prejudice.

                  Now National and ACT want to take us back to 1890 again.

                  So yes the 1984-90 Labour is definitely the best NZ Govt ever.

                  The facts prove it

              • KJT

                Another comedian?

            • Grey Area 1.1.3.3.1.2

              Nah. No contest. This is the worst by far. As MTL says Labour Mk4 was best at voter betrayal but the malicious glee this sorry crew have shown smashing anything done before them, wrecking health pre-privatisation, making racists feel better about themselves, etc is unprecedented.

        • Patricia Bremner 1.1.3.4

          Koina, that is what they want you to believe.

          But each person voting left threatens them. Believe we can do this.!!yes

          State it loudly with certainty. "Make this a one term Government, and bring back our rights".

          We can collapse their house of cards because their greed and differences will start to show, and job losses will continue to grow, so people will look for something to believe in, a way forward and hope for the future.

          • Bearded Git 1.1.3.4.1

            Luxon's complete lack of honesty and charm will wear thin at the next election.

    • David 1.2

      This is way above my pay grade BTW. The bankers I work with have a positive outlook looking ahead from March next year, however they are nervous about the next six month. Talking with a couple of mates who are in the building and construction industry are holding on hoping to make it to next year…

    • Jenny 1.3

      KJT @1

      8 October 2024 at 7:03 am Took National less than a year to crash NZ. Even the UK version took a decade….

      "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" Thomas Jefferson

      35,000 march in Dunedin against cuts to hospital rebuild.

      We are rapidly arriving at a point where resistance becomes duty.

      • koina 1.3.1

        Dunedun is a Labour held seat so health cuts there mean nothing Politically

        Health cuts in marginal and swinging seats, well yes, but National won't do that.

        • Belladonna 1.3.1.1

          The point has been made, however, that the hinterland seats surrounding Dunedin and which are dependent on the Dunedin hospital for healthcare, are National seats – and they will be sensitive to public opinion there.

          • koina 1.3.1.1.1

            The Waitaki electorate despite the once in a century Adern Covid landslide in

            2020 was still won comfortably by National .

            Downgrading of Dunedin hospital will have zero impact on the southern seats.

            • Belladonna 1.3.1.1.1.1

              Do you think that National voters all have private healthcare? It seems a dubious assumption, to me….

              • koina

                National will not talk private health care at the election.

                Even National are not that dumb.

                They will let ACT do the talking for them.

                National will say private health care will only ever be voluntary.

                So the rich right wing whites will still vote Act so Act get back in

                and the rest will vote National so National will keep all their seats.

                QED

        • Bearded Git 1.3.1.2

          Whether the seats in the south are marginal is entirely irrelevant koina-under MMP it is the party vote that counts.

  2. Anika 2

    Hi, I love your content but PLEASE change your font. It’s awful, and hard to read. It undermines your credibility as a serious person. Happy to help with suggestions.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

  3. Subliminal 3

    More evidence, if any was needed of US complicity in the genocide of Palestinians. It is not credible for the US to be a broker of peace in the Middle East any more. China has already begun to step into this space and after the defeat of the IDF, it is hoped that they will brcome the brokers of choice.

    State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller admitted during a press briefing this week that “we’ve never wanted to see a diplomatic resolution with Hamas,” saying that the US was “committed to the destruction” of the Palestinian resistance group.

    Miller then said that “I wish that Hamas would come to the table and work with us on a ceasefire” – the implication being that the only such agreement that would be accepted by Washington would be the complete surrender of Hamas.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/us-admits-it-doesnt-want-diplomatic-solution

    • koina 3.1

      And the only acceptable agreement to the Palestinian freedom movement is the end of the illegal 1948 Jewish invasion of Palestine and that the United States military is removed completly and never again to come any closer than 5,000 km to Palestine. Sounds like a fair deal to me

      • Belladonna 3.1.1

        Unfortunately for your position, the other party involved (Israel) clearly finds your default negotiation position unacceptable.

        Sounds like a continuation of the current war is inevitable.

        • koina 3.1.1.1

          The curent genocide has been non stop since the illegal Jew invasion in 1948

          • Belladonna 3.1.1.1.1

            You seem to be under the illusion that there were no Jews in the area of the Palestine Mandate prior to 1948. You might want to do a bit of self-education, there.

            The government in 1948 was the British Empire. Are you suggesting that they should re-establish control over the area?

            You may also want to consider that the day after the British formally withdrew from the Palestine Mandate, and the State of Israel was established under UN charter, the armies of the surrounding Arab countries invaded. That is they invaded the newly established state of Israel. That would be the "illegal invasion" – you reference. I doubt there were any Jews in the Arab armies.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

          • Jenny 3.1.1.1.2

            I wish you would stop doing that. You are falling right into the Zionist's trap.

            It wasn't Jews that invaded Palestine. It was Zionists, backed by the US. The US needed a colonial settler proxy state in the Middle East to push the British Empire out.

            At the end of WWII the British Empire was the dominant Western power in the Middle East.

            The US gave the Zionists free rein to recruit inside the displaced persons camps in the post-war US controlled zone in Germany, and eleswhere. While making it difficult for the DPs to immigrate to the US which was the dream destination of most of the DPs.

            The British Empire getting wind of the plot stopped the ships and re-imprisoned the DPs in Cypress.

            From the Holocaust encyclopedia:

            Between August 1946 and May 1948, the British government intercepted more than 50,000 Holocaust survivors seeking to resettle in Palestine. They interned these survivors in detention camps established on the Mediterranean island of Cyprus.

            https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/cyprus-detention-camps#

            The last gasp of the British Empire in the Middle East was the Suez Crisis

      • Stephen D 3.1.2

        Oh dear.

        Someone doesn’t realise that Jewish people have been in that region for 3500 years.

        • Visubversa 3.1.2.1

          Really? Then who were the "Infidels" that the Crusades were aiming to remove from the "Holy Land"? Hint – it was not the Jews. They had several attempts during the 11th and 12th C with varying degrees of success.

          The First Crusade was an attempt to reverse Muslim conquests of the Mediterranean (632–661) and on reaching Jerusalem the Crusader forces massacred both Muslim and Jewish inhabitants.

          • Stephen D 3.1.2.1.1

            I didn’t say they were the only peoples in the region.

          • SPC 3.1.2.1.2

            Jerusalem was populated by Moslem and Jewish (hint Moslems allowed Jews to live there) civilians in 1099.

            After Jerusalem was captured on 15 July 1099, thousands of Muslims and Jews were massacred by Crusader soldiers.

            Crusaders enter Jerusalem

            On 15 July 1099, the crusaders made their way into the city through the tower of David and began massacring large numbers of the inhabitants, Muslims and Jews alike. The Fatimid governor of the city, Iftikhar Ad-Daulah, managed to escape. According to eyewitness accounts the streets of Jerusalem were filled with blood. How many people were killed is a matter of debate, with the figure of 70,000 given by the Muslim historian Ibn al-Athir (writing c.1200) considered to be a significant exaggeration; 40,000 is plausible, given the city's population had been swollen by refugees fleeing the advance of the crusading army.

            Massacre

            The aftermath of the siege led to the mass slaughter of thousands of Muslims and Jews, which contemporaneous sources suggest was savage and widespread, and to the conversion of Muslim holy sites on the Temple Mount into Christian shrines.

            Atrocities committed against the inhabitants of cities taken by storm after a siege were normal in ancient and medieval warfare by both Christians and Muslims. The crusaders had already done so at Antioch, and Fatimids had done so themselves at Taormina, at Rometta, and at Tyre. However, it is speculated that the massacre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, both Muslims and Jews, may have exceeded even these standards

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)

  4. Belladonna 4

    China has already begun to step into this space and after the defeat of the IDF, it is hoped that they will brcome the brokers of choice.

    Wondering where you are getting the impression that the defeat of the IDF is on the cards? It certainly doesn't seem apparent from the news coverage to date.

  5. Poldark 6

    If the Nats arn't worried about Dunedin because it is a Labour stronghold with Labour seats then they are befuddled by the US election with its college system in thinking that seats matter. We have MMP and it will be the party vote that counts.

  6. SPC 7

    Some more bad news for the reputation of a once seafaring, now seafearing, nation.

    The Picton wharf has successfully impersonated a Samoan reef.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350444012/bluebridge-ferry-crashes-wharf-picton

  7. Bearded Git 8

    The pathetic Labour party in the UK has been persuaded by (among others) the big oil companies to adopt expensive and unproven Carbon Capture and Storage projects (CCS). This will cost NZ$47 billion over the next 25 years, locking the UK into fossil fuel usage for decades.

    "it seems Labour has been swayed by the fossil fuel lobby, which has pushed CCS for years. This announcement represents a massive bet on a still unproven technology, and will lock the UK into fossil fuel dependence for decades to come. The Climate Change Act mandates the UK should achieve net zero emissions by 2050, yet this will be impossible if carbon capture leads to the UK building new gas power stations instead of wind and solar farms……carbon capture projects have a very poor track record of overpromising and underdelivering. The track record of adding carbon capture to power plants [has ended up] with the vast majority of projects abandoned." .

    https://theconversation.com/the-uks-22-billion-bet-on-carbon-capture-will-lock-in-fossil-fuels-for-decades-240507

    • KJT 9.1

      The pontificating and finger pointing starting already.

      While those who are experienced, are awaiting factual details.

  8. Bearded Git 10

    The Israeli economy is suffering. Apparently genocide isn't profitable.

    "The Bank of Israel said in May that the war costs would spike to about 250 billion shekels (US$66 billion) through the end of next year. “Prices are high. Standard of living is going down. There is inflation. There is a decline in the value of the Israeli currency,” said [Israeli political economist] Shir Hever. Foreign investment has dried up, more than 85,000 people have dropped out from the workforce, and there are “a quarter million people who have been displaced internally and lost both their jobs and their houses,” he added.

    “And, of course, the very large number of people who are just leaving … The number of people who are leaving is unprecedented, really, in the history of Israel,” he said. “You see people just buying a one-way ticket to see what will happen.""

    The whole article is well worth a read.

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/1-year-of-gaza-genocide/1-year-of-gaza-genocide-is-israel-s-economy-in-a-process-of-collapse-/3352386